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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Bo Reading Upsidedown.jpg[edit]

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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Bo Bike at Stlouis Tourney.jpg[edit]

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File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Bo in Lumbercar.jpg[edit]

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July 2011[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Problems with upload of File:Bo Cover Kures.jpg[edit]

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Problems with upload of File:Bo Racquet Photo.jpg[edit]

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Problems with upload of File:Bo caracas.jpg[edit]

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Problems with upload of File:Cover kures 2.jpg[edit]

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Possibly unfree File:Bo caracas.jpg[edit]

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A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for giving the article Scott Boman your seal of approval! Libertyguy (talk) 04:48, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation[edit]

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some actual help[edit]

As reviewing administrator, I've checked the article. Here's what is needed:

1)remove entirely the section on the accomplishment of her pioneer ancestors.Reduce it to one short sentence in her bio.

2)Remove entirely the section on her travels

3)Move the reviews of her books to footnotes to the line for the book concerned. Use a balanced quotation, not the most praise you can find.

4)Find and add a specific 3rd party reference for each award mentioned,.

5)Find the ISBN numbers for each book, and add one of the numbers for each book, preferably the 13 digit number for the hardbound version..

6)The interviews go in a section called External links.

7)Do not repeat under "honors" what is already in the text earlier--it goes one place or the other

8) "consulted" should be listed only if she is named prominently in the credits.

9)Make absolutely certain that none of the material is copied or Closely paraphrased from any previously published print or online source, including author information pages and book jackets. . If there is, rewrite that part from scratch,

As it is, the piece looks too much like advertising. Do not resubmit it until you've removed all the excess I've mentioned. If you need any help ask me. I frequently work on articles from authors, DGG ( talk ) 19:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey, thanks a million DGG, you raise excellent improvements, roger wilco. 75.114.183.102 (talk) 23:44, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

DGG, can you have a look at my submission of the Cathy Luchetti article again? Thanks. Bwisok (talk) 01:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

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Your submission at AfC Cathy Luchetti (August 8)[edit]

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Your submission at AfC Cathy Luchetti was accepted[edit]

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SarahStierch (talk) 00:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Sarah.Bwisok (talk) 01:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC) I need help to upload an image of Dane Elkins for an article I'm submitting. Can someone help me? It's a public domain photo of Dane Elkins that his father Brett has sent to me for creation of the article. Please tell me what I need to do to upload files like this in the future. Bwisok (talk) 03:08, 6 October 2013 (UTC) Bwisok (talk) 21:47, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dane Elkins (November 26)[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Dane Elkins[edit]

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Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia! 75.114.183.247 (talk) 02:54, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
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I've gone back over the article and do not see a source or reference that does not meet the notability guidelines for high school athletes. Dane holds world titles, and that is documented in reliable sources that are third party and not routine posting of results. Maybe you can point out a source or reference that does not meet notability guidelines or reliability sourced material. If you can't find a specific item that does not meet the guidelines, then please reconsider and approve the posting. 75.114.183.247 (talk) 02:54, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

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December 2013[edit]

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Dane Elkins (January 4)[edit]

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Can someone tell me why my photos in the George Meegan wikipedia page have been deleted and how to get them back. I submitted the email from George authorizing the use of approximately 15 photo images to permissions-en@wikimedia.org. What else do I need to do? Please someone in Wiki land, talk to me, help me resolve this very simple problem that should not ever have become a problem.

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George Meegan[edit]

Hi Bwisok. There are a few responses to your question about the images on the George Meegan on KylieTastic's talk page. Please respond on that page if you require additional clarification from any of us. Otherwise, contacting OTRS should be your next and most productive step. Thanks! - tucoxn\talk 21:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Possibly unfree files[edit]

Some of your files may be unfree. See Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2014 February 23#OTRS pending since October. --Stefan2 (talk) 17:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Stefan2. I just sent the authorization again from the owner of the files. Stefan2, any chance of telling me what or who OTRS is? I looked it up once, but it took a long time to find out, and you must know. Thanks.

Just informing you that I removed a file from Cathy Luchetti that you seem concerned about. Also see Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2014 February 23#OTRS pending since October. I suggest you try to clear this up with WP:OTRS. Instructions on how to e-mail them are at Wikipedia:Contact us. - tucoxn\talk 04:33, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

What good did that do, Tucoxn? I've indicated the image meets all requirements for free use, and the owner who is the subject of the article has sent another (this time more formal) authorization to Wikimedia permissions to authorize the use of that image file. I'll give it a few more days then reinsert with appropriate edit notes. How about helping me with actual useful information on how to upload a valid file that the subject of the article 'owns' and is willing to see posted in Wikipedia for free use? Did you ever actually help anyone with what they would like to legitimately post in Wikipedia? Bwisok (talk) 21:41, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Dane Elkins (March 8)[edit]

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I will try to help you understand. Does Dane Elkins meet the Wikipedia Notability requirements in WP:ATHLETE? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Schwartzenberg (talkcontribs) 06:21, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Schwartenberg, I appreciate your wanting to help create an entry for a notable athlete. Yes, he meets the Notability requirements specified there. He's independently documented as being #1 in the world in his class by applicable standards and ranking organizations for racquetball and paddleball. Bwisok (talk) 17:08, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Dear Tucoxn:[edit]

[This was posted on Wikipedia user:Tucoxn's page, it applies to about 90% of the 'admins' I've dealt with over the past 3-5 years as I try to be an article creator or contributor. I've created or contributed to 6-12 articles for Wikipedia, virtually all of them as much fun as enduring a root canal procedure. Permission to copy and share any and all contents.]

Just wondering what your role is in the Wikipedia universe. You seem to have the same fundamental qualities as the overwhelming majority of 'admins'--are you a reviewer, editor, person of arbitrary authority?--that I have encountered in my experience with this supposedly open online encyclopedia:

Of the perhaps 30-odd individuals whom I've dealt with for the past three to five years, all but two or three... roughly 90% of you have shown yourselves to be completely uninterested in actually helping article creators like me accomplish their objectives in posting scholarly, professional, informational, and/or educational articles about noteworthy subjects (with attractive, well-composed, obviously free-use images inserted). Your role seems almost universally to be to cruise the body of Wiki contributions and reject with sadistic glee (and offering no comprehensible, easily furnished alternative) any of a million deviant postings--deviant for not satisfying the Byzantine system of rules that no normal human consciousness can reasonably deal with.

Whenever I submit my work into the bowels of King Jimmy's Holy System, I feel like Dorothy trying to get an audience with the Wizard of Oz for the benefit of my friends, the Tin Man and the Lion... and being barred by those funny-looking gargoyle creatures--or were they the flying monkeys with the big teeth--until I come up with the magic word or a ton of bureaucratic chits from persons on or around the Wiz who have major pull. Is that your function, Tucoxn? Is it your job to prevent individuals from seeing the Wiz and thus having clean, easy access to the Magic Kingdom? You get your jollies out of rejecting and denying people and offering no help whatsoever?

If so, then my congratulations, you are performing superlatively! I mean that. How do I get to have your level of authority in Wikipedia? Seriously. Can you tell me how to work my way into a position where I become an esteemed gatekeeper? I know this is a volunteer business, so you're not making any money. Contrary to 90% of the Wikipedia 'admins' I've dealt with so far, I would derive immense satisfaction from being helpful and accommodating--provide step by step instructions, person-to-person, on how to make an article/image poster successful in what he is trying to do.

Nothing personal, T, it's just a system and you're the way you have been trained to be. I'd really like to know how to get to have your level of authority in the system--if it's possible without an advanced degree or some special qualifications that assure unquestioned obedience to duly constituted authority. You can tell I'm unhappy, and I fully expect you'll remove this entry from your talk page, but I'll have it over on mine. But that's okay, I know you're a good person and so am I, just venting a little bit and I'm pretty sure I'm expressing what 90% of the contributors feel dealing with the Wikipedia system. Please if you can help me find out how to climb the ladder of helpers in Wikipedia or point me to a source for Wikipedia for Dummies.

Best wishes, bwisok. Bwisok (talk) 22:44, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Dear Bwisok,
Please accept my apologies for whatever frustration I may have caused you. I am not an administrator on the English Wikipedia. I'm not sure if I should take it as a complement that you thought I was one (if it's a complement... thanks!). I'm also not involved in OTRS, although this seems like an area that could use more help. I'm merely a simple volunteer and I write and edit articles like anybody else here, including you. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit and the Wikipedia community encourages users to be bold when updating the encyclopedia. Some of my edits might be considered to be bold changes to articles.
File:Joseph Willlllcox Jenkins profile.jpg
This is an example of a broken image.
You may have noticed that I help with removing references to pictures that were deleted on the English Wikipedia and on Wikimedia Commons. I do not delete the pictures (only administrators can delete articles or images on Wikipedia, as I understand it). I only remove the missing or already deleted pictures from articles (other editors are allowed to undo my edits). I believe articles with deleted pictures look like a mess of red text and empty boxes; I think that presents a sloppy image and I like to help clean up articles by fixing the red text or empty boxes. On the right is an example of a broken image, the kind I usually clean up by fixing or deleting.
I've written a few articles using images that I uploaded, including Metroxylon vitiense, Cyrtostachys renda, and Joseph Willcox Jenkins. For those articles, I uploaded File:Metroxylon vitiense ex Seem.jpg, File:Cyrtostachys renda (ornamental) - Suva, Fiji.jpg, and File:Joseph Willcox Jenkins profile.jpg. The illustration of Metroxylon vitiense came from a freely available (because its copyright protection expired) book called Flora Vitiensis: A description of the plants of the Viti or Fiji Islands, with an account of their history, uses, and properties (vol. 2), by Berthold Carl Seemann. The image of Cyrtostachys renda is a photograph that I took with my cell phone camera. The image of Joseph Willcox Jenkins I downloaded from the internet and found the original source (the person who took the picture); since no other contemporary images of Jenkins are available, there is a fair use rationale for using that image in a limited way on Wikipedia. Indeed, the image is only used in one article: Joseph Willcox Jenkins. Each of these images was provided to Wikipedia in a different way and each has a different license for use in the encyclopedia. You can see that their licenses are different, on the pages for the files I linked to, above.
I learned how to properly cite image licenses by reading and wading through a bunch of Wikipedia documentation pages, including (but not limited to) the following: Wikipedia:Non-free content, Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline, Wikipedia:File copyright tags/Non-free, Creative Commons license, Wikipedia:Text of Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License. I actually read these pages and figured out how to document image licenses through them.
Here is my analysis regarding my removal of the image on Cathy Luchetti‎, which I believe upset you. Please look at this edit of yours, which was when you added back the deleted image. You will see that there is a place for the image of Cathy Luchetti but, in fact, only a box with the red text "File:Cathy Luchetti author West.jpg" appears. This is because the image File:Cathy Luchetti author West.jpg was deleted by Ronhjones (an administrator) on 6 March 2014. It seems like the file did not have its copyright permissions provided to Wikipedia (see Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2014 February 23#OTRS pending since October). I notified you that I removed this deleted image from the article because I believed it was the right thing to do, and that you would appreciate the courtesy of being informed.
Editors who want to use copyright protected files on Wikipedia can send permission to use them to Wikipedia's Volunteer Response Team using the Open-source Ticket Request System (also known as OTRS). I used this system once or twice to check copyright permissions with no problems but I've never provided permissions using it and I'm not an OTRS volunteer. It seems like there is a problem with the copyright permissions for the image File:Cathy Luchetti author West.jpg, which were either not accepted by an OTRS volunteer or something else went wrong.
I strongly suggest you contact Ronhjones, the administrator who deleted the picture. He is also an administrator on Wikimedia Commons and an OTRS volunteer. I think he will be able to provide some insight on exactly why the picture was deleted and exactly what needs to be sent to Wikipedia to confirm copyright permissions for the picture. I hope this helps, at least a little.
Please know that I do not plan to delete your comment from my talk page. In fact, I will leave it there and reference the response that I'm providing you, here.
Again, please accept my apologies if I offended you. I certainly didn't intend to insult you or your work. I understand your thoughts that editing Wikipedia can be like making an appointment to see "the great and powerful Wizard of Oz"; after all, it is the largest encyclopedia in the world and I guess it sometimes operates like a bureaucracy. I enjoy constructive criticism and I'm sincerely interested to know what you think I could do better so that others don't misinterpret my efforts to improve Wikipedia. If you're indeed interested in obtaining a position of trust in the encyclopedia, I believe gaining experience making positive constructive contributions (like writing articles and reverting vandalism) would help... although I'm no authority on such a topic.
- tucoxn\talk 10:02, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much Tucoxn, I can see you were simply trying to help clean up the article on Cathy. I respect you for what work you have done to understand the ridiculously overcomplicated rules and procedures for uploading the vast majority of images; also in your case I understand sometimes the ownership rules have to be complicated. But for 95% of us it's unendurably Byzantine to figure out who and where to talk to about simply using an image that the subject of an article 'owns' or possesses and intends to be freely used in his article. In this case of (the absolutely wonderful) Cathy Luchetti, I do believe I've found the magic key, and Cathy has sent the proper form into permissions. So I'll simply go thru the process of uploading it again. But I still expect to be doing something wrong.
Still the vast majority of my comment needs to be taken as real frustration felt by the overwhelming majority of the authoring community that is commonplace in this citadel of official 'knowledge' known as Wikipedia. I've dealt with many other barnacles on the ass of progress over the years, and few reviewers/editors (whoever is making decisions about what is acceptable) are the slightest inclined to help an honest, intelligent author accomplish his goals of posting worthwhile material. Thus I have come to DETEST Wikipedia and its policy-setting leadership as a closed and arbitrary guild desperately holding on to divinely ordained Old Paradigm authority over information. I liken it to the Inquisition.
I can cite several instances (one particularly offensive case that involves King James himself) of Wiki leadership making decisions to squelch vital work... work that the properly edited airing of would enlighten and improve actual lives. In those instances, most of the Wiki functionaries with torture-and-reject authority that I have had to deal with absolutely delight in making the author's life miserable. I can literally see their Cheshire cat grins shining thru their rejection notices: "not notable, poorly sourced, does not 'meet the requirements of the thousand-page Volume VI on standards for discussion of any subject having relevance to raised eyebrows on Caucasians' (located in the third linked maze from the left at zyszigpoterzebie.us.com.ca.org)." Only of course they never tell the author specifically what is wrong and specifically how to make it right. That would not be WIKIPEDIA PROCEDURE!
No, Tucson, it's just an awful system. It's fat and lazy and full of itself. No I don't detest the functionaries themselves. Do we feel hatred for the obnoxious clerk at the DMV? Of course not. It's the government, and they're expected to be obnoxious. Anyone helpful is shunted aside or booted out. Fortunately, online encyclopedias are not the government. Yet. Wikipedia tries to be like the government and revels in intellectual authoritarianism and squelching hard evidence that differs from the party line. But it's never going to have a monopoly, so it can't be government until or unless the actual government takes over and makes it a ministry of approved information.
What Wikipedia needs is competition. How about Open-pedia or Opedia? If I were 10 years younger and not generaling even bigger causes, I'd get some good minds together and throw down on old Jimmy. We'd kick his butt, too. An open online system receptive to its suppliers--the authors--and its user audience would mop the floor with your Church of Rome-like coterie of high priests and sycophants and Cheshire-grinning DMV clerks that has become (and has probably always been) Wikipedia. I'm a real author now. Also, I work as an editor and was an old-school editor in Corporate America for 20 years. Here's the deal: My Opedia would have much higher editing standards--especially for readability--than Wikipedia. Beside our stuff the standard article of Wikipedia would look like program notes for an ultimate fighting contest in Hicksville.
What else? We'd all be friendly and helpful. Like you, Tucson. [Although I know you're just a regular (though more abuse-tolerant) user like me.] If an admin got more than three complaints from an author he'd be out on his ear, like an air traffic controller who has too many 'deals.' And this is a biggie: We'd pretty much throw out the whole notability criteria. What's the point? Opedia is the people's encyclopedia. If you quarterbacked the high school city championship football team and married the prom queen, and there's a public record of it,--or if you were the waterboy for that football team (and it's documented that you brought water to the RB who was thus enabled to score the winning TD)--you can have an entry. Claims of notability tend to be self-regulating; readers can figure things out. You worried about running out of server space? What's notable? How dare the Masters of Knowledge decree that a blind-deaf child learning the liberating concept of WORDS isn't noteworthy because nobody wrote a book or a play about her. You get the point.
Anyway, thanks for taking time to chat, T. And if you know anyone with capital who wants to do things right, count me interested. Wikipedia, Google, Microsoft, General Motors, the State, the Military Industrial Complex, the Education Induistrial Complex, the Prison Industrial Complex, the Vatican, the Faceless Bureaucracy of Arbitrary Central Power, etc. ... they're all destined for the scrapheap. A lot sooner than most of us think.

Bwisok (talk) 00:33, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

File was seen on commons as File:CathyLuchetti.jpg and deleted 07:19, 3 March 2014 by commons admin Fastily as "No permission since 23 February 2014" - since the source was not the uploader. Exactly the same file was also on en-wiki as File:Cathy Luchetti author West.jpg, and an {{OTRS pending}} was applied at upload (03:25, 12 October 2013) - but as far as I can see there has been no OTRS permission release sent in. It was therefore tagged for deletion in Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_February_23#OTRS_pending_since_October on 17:08, 23 February 2014, and deleted 22:14, 6 March 2014. Any copyrightable image that is uploaded must be done by the copyright owner, unless the procedure at WP:DCM is followed.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

More on Cathy Luchetti[edit]

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OK, now that's out of the way:

I'm the OTRS volunteer who is handling the ticket for this image. There were several problems:

  • You tagged it public domain, but the OTRS letter specified a different license. Not a big deal. I removed the license tag pending more information received by OTRS.
  • The message came from a gmail address, which is no proof of identity at all. This could be solved by creating a temporary page on cathyluchetti.com that references the ticket or verifies the gmail address, proving that the person controlling that web site also controls that email address.
  • The message claimed that Cathy Luchetti holds the copyright, but the copyright of an image belongs to the photographer, not the subject.
  • No permission was sent from the photographer, nor did we receive any proof that the photographer transferred the copyright to the subject. It's possible that the photo is a 'selfie' but unlikely considering that it looks like a posed studio photo.

I have replied to the sender describing these problems, but it might help if you communicated the same, so we can keep this image. The Wikimedia Foundation is strict about this, because the foundation is exposed to legal liability by failing to perform due diligence in getting permission from the actual copyright owner whose identity can be confirmed. ~Amatulić (talk) 18:24, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your help A. She can provide the information you need. But I'm confused about who owns an image. If a photographer takes a photo of me and I buy it from him, don't I own the image and the rights to use that image as I wish, including in an encyclopedia? Or wouldn't that be spelled out in the standard contract? Also, I haven't read anything anywhere that makes the general process of simple use of an image in Wikipedia comprehensible or provides am easy to grasp flow chart describing what a contributor needs to do to use an image. Everything I've read in the Wikipedia help system about image use is far too complicated. Can you point me to something simple and straightforward? 75.114.183.247 (talk) 02:31, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

OK, I'll try to explain.
If you buy a photo of yourself from a professional photographer, you don't own the copyright to it unless the photographer transfers it to you. If you buy a CD of photos of yourself taken by a studio photographer, the CD usually comes with a copyright release, because you are expected to make digital copies. Now, if the studio only gives you prints, and retains the negatives or original digital version, you can use the prints just as you'd use a book: you can pass them around or show them to others. But you do not have the authority to grant distribution rights to others. Only the copyright holder can do that.
The key here is that even if Cathy Luchetti has permission to distribute the photo (like publish it on her web site), without the copyright release, she doesn't have the authority to transfer that permission to anyone else. That is, Wikipedia does not have permission to distribute it, and Cathy Luchetti cannot grant that permission unless she also holds the copyright. And by copyright law, the photographer owns the copyright, not the subject of the photo.
It would be different if she was to publish her own encyclopedia, then she could put whatever photos of hers she wants in it. But here she and you want another entity, the Wikimedia Foundation (which owns the copyright to Wikipedia) to re-publish a photo that the Wikimedia Foundation has no right to publish, unless the actual copyright holder has declared the photo public domain or grants the Foundation the right to distribute it.
I hope that makes sense. Copyright law is never easy or straightforward. ~Amatulić (talk) 05:43, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Excellent, where did you go to learn all this, A? Is there a special school for Wikipedia volunteers? Actually, the way you explain it DOES make copyright law easy and straightforward to understand, at least in this context. I'd gladly donate a small amount to any effort you make to produce a 'Copyright and Use of Images on Wikipedia/Wikimedia for Dummies' document. My deep personal judgment and conviction is that ANY law must be easy and straightforward to understand and comply with for just about everyone. Otherwise that law is an ass... not worthy of a free people's respect, understanding, use, or compliance. 75.114.183.247 (talk) 17:28, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, I did take a business law class several years ago that covered some of this, but that isn't needed, because you tend to get a better understanding just by answering tickets on OTRS. OTRS has several 'boilerplate' replies to common queries, such as "I give permission to publish this picture of me on Wikipedia" in which case we have a boilerplate reply to explain that generally the photographer holds the copyright, not the subject, and we need permission from the actual copyright holder.
The individual basic laws are straightforward and easy to understand. What complicates them are nuances and advances in technology. I wrote an article here about the book Just This Once, which was a collaboration between a computer and its programmer to create a book that Jacqueline Suzann might have written. At the time, copyright law was simply not equipped to deal with it. And years before that, copyright law was not equipped to deal with public display of a videotape you legally own to an audience. And there are other issues, like copying a photo from a book that might be considered public domain in the United States but still copyrighted in the country in which it was published. And on and on. Each new situation adds new wrinkles and complexities. The "law" is not fixed, but rather a fluid, living thing that must adapt to the times.
In Wikipedia's case, with the advent of instant digital distribution globally over the world wide web, the Wikimedia Foundation must protect itself from liability of infringing on someone's copyright. The Foundation takes advantage of a couple of different legally-recognized free licenses (Creative Commons and GDFL) that still allow the copyright holder some rights (mainly the right to be attributed as the author of the work) while allowing the Wikimedia Foundation to redistribute the material freely. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Selfie[edit]

I just heard from the subject, it appears the photo is after all a selfie, so this is for Amatulic (I'll also post this on your talk page), can you tell us what to do so that the photo can be left alone as is? Here are Cathy's words:

"Brian,
I had the photo taken at Sears for 10.00. It was a photo booth, not a human photographer. Amazingly, it turned out. There is no way I can get permission for this, as I said: photo booth."

Bwisok (talk) 00:21, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

OK, that would mean that permission from Cathy is sufficient. If she would include this information in a reply to my recent OTRS ticket email, that will be great. All that remains is for her to provide proof that the gmail address from which OTRS received the permission letter is actually hers. She can do that by acknowledging the ticket number or her email address in a temporary web page on her web site, which she can remove after I acknowledge it.
We're almost there. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:30, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
The image has been deleted due to lack of response from Cathy Luchetti. It can be restored if she answers her mail pertaining to the ticket she opened. A statement from her (not you) saying it's a self-portrait in a photo booth, and some proof of identity of the gmail address, would be all we need. ~Amatulić (talk) 01:37, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Can you please send that message to Cathy at [redacted]? The last time I heard from her, she told me she hadn't received anything from "OTRS" or anyone else related to Wikipedia Byzantinia. :) Bwisok (talk) 01:41, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm hoping you can send her that message sooner rather than later. She tells me she is on the lookout now for this vital message from OTRS. Thanks, perhaps you can leave me a message or have OTRS leave me a message when you have sent her the message to confirm whatever it is you need to confirm. Much obliged, Ama. Bwisok (talk) 02:19, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
That's where it was sent originally. Perhaps it landed in her spam folder? I re-sent it just now. ~Amatulić (talk) 15:01, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
All done! Confirmation received and verified, and the image has been restored and properly tagged. I have also updated the older ticket for several other images to refer to the current ticket for confirmation of identity, in case someone decides to delete the other images because that confirmation wasn't established then. ~Amatulić (talk) 19:00, 3 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Axl, appreciate your going the extra Byzantinium. bw Bwisok (talk) 20:49, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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