User talk:CDTPP

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Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the village pump or ask me on my Talk page. Again, welcome! ----Jack | talk page 21:09, 15 March 2013 (UTC)


I really do appreciate your support on the issue about that abysmal book which inter alia (a) cites Lang as an accepted authority; and (b) presents completely false information about the 1727 articles of agreement. And no doubt, having read the book, you can list much more than that. Surely anyone with a bit of logical thought can see that club and stone games among children must have existed for as long as there have been children and that somewhere along the way some kids must have invented something that evolved into Test cricket. But to suggest that this game was invented in Ireland in the 6th century and then was finally documented in Surrey at the end of the 16th century is absurd. If it is true that a game involving clubs and a ball was played in Dal Raita then, if it evolved into anything modern, it would have been hurling or perhaps shinty. Sometimes I despair. Anyway, thanks again and let me know if I can help you with the site in any way. ----Jack | talk page 21:07, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

G. B. Lee[edit]

Hi there. Would you have anything in your sources for this chap whose name wasn't George. Played for Oxford in the 1830s and a few times for Hampshire. Thanks. ----Jack | talk page 14:00, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Only that he was a private tutor. And 1861-1903. Rev. Godfrey Bolles Lee, b. 19 March, 1817, 7th s. of Robert Newton Lee, Esq., of Coldrey, Hants. Sch. Win. Coll. 1830; Sch. New Coll. Oxon 1834, Fellow 1836-61, B.A. 1839, M.A. 1844 [University XI. 1838-9, Capt. 1839], College Tutor Win. Coll. 1839-60, Bursar New Coll. 1860-1 ; elected Warden 1861 p 1846. m 5 April, 1866, Emma Nunez, y. d. of Andrew Fergushill Craw- ford, Esq., M.D., of Winchester. IB 29 Jan., 1903. Inscription in Cloisters.

from Winchester register. Could you enable me to use your site please. His Son AM Lee was an academic on Micrometry and he published a standard work His daughter married the son of General Alexander Russell

That's great. I'll pass it on to Johnlp and give him your address. You'll be able to access my page when you reach the autoregisterd status which takes about seven days plus about ten edits after joining, from memory. I've got you on my watchlist so just flag something up here if you need help. Thanks again. ----Jack | talk page 17:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

The Oval[edit]

I never thought the gasworks had been there that long. Great pic and you can see the subsequent development of the area as you study it. Thanks. ----Jack | talk page 18:26, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Tom Collins[edit]

With the departure of User:BlackJack I suspect that you are now the sole fount of wisdom on early cricketers. I wondered if you'd come across Thomas Collins (cricketer, born 1841)? His Wisden obit (and an obit in The Times from which Wisden seems to have cribbed wholesale) credit him with being a leading figure in the legalisation of overarm bowling in 1864; but the scorecard of the match in question and the contemporary reportage from 1863 do not corroborate this version of events. Perhaps there is something in Haygarth or somewhere else that might shed some light? My suspicion is that, at the end of a long life when he had outlived all of his contemporaries, Mr Collins might perhaps have felt able to embellish his own significance in events uncontradicted... but maybe I do him an injustice. Thanks. Johnlp (talk) 22:48, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Another query[edit]

Hi. G Elliot, who played twice for Cambridge University in 1831, is conflated in Cricketarchive with George Elliot (1813–1901), who was an admiral and MP. I can see nothing in Alumni Cantabrigenses or in The Times obit of the admiral in 1901 that justifies this. But perhaps in Haygarth or some of the other early cricket sources there might be something that would support or refute this? If Cricketarchive is correct, Master Elliot would have been 17 (going on 18) when he played his two first-class matches, which may be a bit young to be a student or a cricketer. But I can't see a student of that name anyway... Thanks. Johnlp (talk) 11:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's very interesting. I think the admiral's forebears go back to people who were best mates with Nelson, and there some connection with the Earls of Minto. What puzzles me still a bit is whether there is anything that definitely ties the G. Elliot who played in those Cambridge matches to that particular G. Elliot who became the admiral. It's got to be likely, of course, because there can't have been too many G. Elliots of the right class at the right time; but it isn't exactly an uncommon name. What is it that makes the ACS list so certain that this is the same G. Elliot? Johnlp (talk) 16:15, 3 October 2013 (UTC)



Thanks for the clarification on WT:CRIC. Any suggestions about the ridiculous bowling averages where all the bowling analyses are available? What do the ACS do? I find it hard to believe they'd accept Lillywhite's bowling average as given on CA (I suspect a computer glitch, where it just takes the available data and number-crunches it). What form do they give figures for the "pre bowling analysis" bowlers? Sarastro1 (talk) 22:34, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

I think the whole thing was a mess, to be honest. I've been interested in this for some time, long before working on this article. I think the Hampshire view may well be correct. I think several of those at that meeting were anxious not to rock the boat, particularly MCC. But GOB and and SCG seem to have been particularly culpable from the start, and I'm not too sure what Swanton was playing at (have you read his hagiography of Allen?). I do wonder about PBHM. But I think they were all led a merry dance by the South Africans. Sarastro1 (talk) 22:17, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

December 2013[edit]

Please stop your disruptive behaviour. Your behaviour is verging on harassment. Wikipedia prides itself on providing a safe environment for its collaborators, and harassing edits, such as the one you made to User talk:AssociateAffiliate, potentially compromise that safe environment. If you continue behaving like this, you may be blocked from editing. Erpert WHAT DO YOU WANT??? 09:40, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

Blocked for sockpuppetry[edit]