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hi, ive seen you on the talk page for wikiproject med, I have a GA nomination for the above article, and I would appreciate any opinion about it before it goes to review. thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 20:20, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Ozzie10aaaa I'm flattered you asked me and I will try to give some feedback. Unfortunately I'm pretty busy this week, but I will see what I can do. For starters the image captions may need some work. They are a bit unclear right now. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 20:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

thank you, (I added references to all of them now)--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:19, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:18, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I still think the captions need some work, I will see when/if I can help out. If so I would not think such minor work would count against me potentially reviewing the article.-- CFCF 🍌 (email) 21:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

thank you--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 00:16, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Medical Translation Project[edit]

Thank you for the invitation to translate high quality medical articles into Belarusian! I will try my best to use the most important ones in Belarus for translation.--be-x-old:Удзельнік:W 19:40, 28 January 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

What makes me?[edit]

What makes me "one of the top Medical editors"?! :-o --AVRS (talk) 20:44, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

AVRS Just your edit count on articles tagged under WP:MED. Should have clarified, but it felt like the message would be too long. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 20:55, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


Did you know that you left +20 messages for me on as many different Wikipedias, all inviting me to the same damn project? And because I don't visit those Wikipedias on a daily basis, I have them set to e-mail me if someone leaves me a talkpage message.

Argh. DS (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

DragonflySixtyseven I'm sorry, I didn't anticipate this problem with my lists. Rest assured this will not occur again. I left multiple Wiki-messaging because I anticipated the lack of editors keeping track of all their Wikis, and maybe only being really active on one. I didn't consider the potential of e-mail alerts. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 20:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Oh, it gets worse. Because of single-user login, I have an account on every Wikipedia that I've ever visited even once. This includes the automated visits produced when I do a rename on Commons, or if I follow a language link. DS (talk) 21:20, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
If this bothers you I will gladly delete each and every one of those messages. DragonflySixtyseven -- -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 21:41, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
... and then I'll get more e-mails telling me that my talk page has been edited to remove a message! Honestly, I'm not angry, this is just so you know what to avoid doing next time. Okay? DS (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Rest assured, it will not. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 22:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


(with Edit.C.:)Thank You very much for invitation to translate medicine themes. You know, I'm disgusted with poor state of cs.wikipedia especially in these disciplines (and once more in pharmaceutical disciplines). Unfortunately, I'm striking (=denied editing) on cs.wikipedia becauce for themes about Lithuania and especially Samogitia and their languages (usage of terms, (mis)translated from Samogitian/Lithuanian to Czech language) and also becauce for mistransliterated japanese terms. Also I'm disgusted with forced disinformations by some collegues on I hope, if I could get some minimal satisfaction on these problems on, I should merely translate (or write) new articles on medicine (especially farmaceutic) themes. But, as more, than 2 years of my strike hadn't had any result, I'm afraid not so soon write new articles. (excuse me my poor english). Have a joly good day! Thank You again. --Kusurija (talk) 21:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi CFCF. Sorry for my grumpy mood, but you've left me a zillion messages via "MediaWiki message delivery" at all wikimedia projects I ever participated in, which surely also spammed my email (because of default wikimedia options to notify about talk messages). No, I do not want to do Medical Translation, neither I want to receive such messages. Please think twice before using MediaWiki message delivery - I'm sure you've annoyed quite a number of users like myself. Materialscientist (talk) 23:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

I'm very sorry, and I hope you can take my word that whatever fault in the process made the messages reach you on all those Wikis will never occur again. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 23:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Same problem at - see ru:Википедия:Форум/Общий#Что это было?. People are at least negative surprised. --DR (talk) 00:55, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Translation of citations into other languages[edit]

Hej! As a followup to this discussion I had with Doc James, I am trying to understand how citations from the English language Wikipedia are transferred/translated into other languages. It appears that the {{cite journal}} template has equivalents in most other languages. It also appears that {{cite journal}} formatted citations can be transferred "as is" into some languages, while the parameter names must also be translated in some other languages. Where parameter name translations are required, are their scripts available to do this? Also do the citation templates in other languages generate metadata? Finally do you know whether changes that are made to the template code in the English language {{cite journal}} are propagated (i.e., synched) into their foreign language counter parts?

The reason I am asking is I am trying to find out what complications if any would be caused by translating {{vcite2 journal}} formatted citations into other languages. {{vcite2 journal}} is a modification of {{cite journal}} that supports an optional |vauthors= parameter. If one does not care about metadata, one can simply replace {{vcite2 journal}} with {{cite journal}} and |vauthors= with |authors= and everything should work. In the long run, I would like to add |vauthors= support directly into {{cite journal}} and deprecate {{vcite2 journal}}. Any insights that you can provide me into how he citation translation process works would be appreciated. Boghog (talk) 10:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Boghog. I've been a little reluctant to respond because the discussion quickly turns quite lengthy. {{cite journal}} has been transfered to nearly all the Wikipedias we've worked on as part of the {{cite}} set book, journal, web, news. I'd love it if changes were propagated, but there is very poor support for templates across Wikis, and different Wikis run different versions of templates. Often we've had to make the transfer, and would simply transfer the most up to date version, updating any old dependencies as well. When it comes to other templates such as {{Infobox disease}} the support is horrible, and often MediaWiki:Common.css hasn't been installed, which doesn't allow for Module:HtmlBuilder to run. As far as I understand it most other Wikipedias bar ru,pt,es,pl,nl,id,zh,sv etc. have simply copied the English templates and cite appropriated them, keeping the parameter names in English. As for the major Wikipedias they've often been built independently, but do support most of the parameters without the need to translate the name itself. For example the Swedish version would accept both name and namn. The only really odd Wikipedia I've come across is the Polish, which does not allow for direct translation from English, but instead requires Polish parameter names in pretty much all templates. There is a converter available, but I don't know about the source code: [1]. In the project we've built a bot that runs entire articles through that page automatically, tell me if you need it. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 20:18, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Dental caries[edit]

I've recently translated Dental caries to Malay. I thought the simplified article was at the main article so I translate it and took a weekend to translate it :P Anyway, are there anything should I do after it (besides translating more articles)? Not quite understand fully about the project :/ -- MalaysiaboyChat 10:50, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

That is wonderful Malaysiaboy. Our translations are only of articles that are deemed to be of a certain quality, and we have them listed over at WP:RTT & WP:RTTS. You can sign up to out project at the home page, where there is more info on how you can help out. We can always use more translators, and feel free to hit me up if you find anything you would like to translate in the lists. There you can also see what we have translated so far. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 19:33, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Thanx for your invitation. I understand the importance of the medical translation project in many areas of health maintenance studies and spreading scientifically-proven.knowledge to all nations and language communities. That is why I do what I can in the English-Russian language pair, the only one I am somewhat proficient in. My limitations include insufficient knowledge of bio- and related sciences, especially in their current state of molecular research which may lead to unprofessionally looking translations. For example, I do not know what is NOT supposed to be translated as the Russian term corresponding to the English name of a gene or a protein is exactly the same - Russian researchers in the field may have already adopted the English term, but, because many science magazines are not freely available on the Web, I cannot be sure that this is the case - much better if translation is done by a bilingual biologist. Also, I am visually impaired, and not always can spend more time than I do in front of the computer. But when I can, I try to contribute to Wikipedia to the best of my knowledge in various spheres, including your project. Thanks again.

GregZak (talk) 15:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi GregZak. We have a project description at the Medical Translation Project Home Page, and a list of articles that are part of our effort at WP:RTT & WP:RTTS. I'm not really sure how suitable those pages are with a screenreader, if you find trouble please tell me and I will try to help. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 19:30, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Tip about mass messages[edit]


Thanks for your message about medical translations.

I have a little tip about such messages. They arrive to many wikis, and in some of them the content language is written right to left, for example in Arabic and Hebrew. When you post English text in a right-to-left wiki, it is shown incorrectly unless you make sure to mark it up appropriately.

Compare this version with this version.

To make the display correct, add a div tag with appropriate attributes. See this example.


P.S. We should probably also talk about Content translation, but that's a huge separate topic ;) --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 16:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, that's something I wouldn't have considered. Great tip! -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 16:37, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Breastfeeding and home birth[edit]

Sorry about not being more help! First, I've been seriously busy with IRL stuff ... but now that I've peeked in, I see that BullRangifer is involved, and when given a choice, I prefer not to edit in proximity with that person. Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

That's a shame, but I think we are enough now that we're making progress and not being lost in too many reverts. I'm hoping to focus quite some effort on the Breastfeeding, primarily to make sure it really is neutral. I'm also swamped IRL, so I haven't given Home birth much though. I think just knowing that these articles are low quality is helpful though, as it makes us realize the need to monitor this sphere of WikiProject Medicine more closely. Breastfeeding is an important article, and getting it up to a decent standard will take time, feel free to help out when you have time. Thanks, -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 20:22, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

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thank you for your help on the article--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:47, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Minor Edits[edit]

Regarding this edit, please note that per WP:MINOR, the "minor edit" mark is to be used for "only superficial differences exist between the current and previous versions. Examples include typographical corrections, formatting and presentational changes, and rearrangements of text without modification of its content. A minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute."

Reverting vandalism also can be marked as a minor edit, but this was not vandalism. Marteau (talk) 17:18, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

That's odd, I thought I used rollback which shouldn't have given a minor edit summary. Maybe I have something configured the wrong way.. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 17:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

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Your recent reversion of my addition to "Violence against men"[edit]

Care to explain? I added the source, in the hope that someone with better editing skills would be able to flesh it out. It doesn't help when you & Evergreenfir keep trolling the page, reverting everyone's edits and not giving the page a chance to develop. Shakespeare Monkey (talk) 23:50, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Can't find your edit, and refer to the talk page. If you read the discussion there it will be clear why poor sources or interpretations of statistics will be removed. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 14:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
I'm guessing this[2] might no longer be relevant. If you still believe it is, could you specify it in a separate thread on the talkpage?
Peter Isotalo 20:34, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Circulatory system[edit]

Could benefit from some medical oversight. Is in need of some basic information and structure, eg useful information like this contained in the introduction to "cardiovascular system". EG:

Also, the digestive system works with the circulatory system to provide the nutrients the system needs to keep the heart pumping

Hope that you're well! --Tom (LT) (talk) 08:56, 9 March 2015 (UTC)


I see that you enjoy writing "niche" as an opposition comment in TAFI, but what does the "niche" word mean? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 21:29, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Assessment of Watercolor paining[edit]

Would you reconsidering this assessment because it lacks adequate references, especially due its length and level of detail. - Shiftchange (talk) 09:04, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

please use the edit summary[edit]

Information icon Hey, CFCF, if you could be so kind, can you toss in a small edit summary every time you edit? that would facilitate working through my watch list a lot. plus it's a simple form of WP:netiquette /paying respect to others.... --Wuerzele (talk) 21:36, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


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Formatting See also references[edit]


I see you have recently been active in touching up formatting or See also references on several articles that I have on my watchlist. I wanted to ask you, just to be sure, what the current practice is in specifying column dimensions for sections laid out in columns. I thought that the current preference is to use the |30em parameter rather than the |2 parameter (meaning two columns) so that the section can display well on many different kinds of devices. But if you have heard otherwise, I would be glad to be informed what the current recommendation of best practice is. (As a separate issue, for long-term rewriting of articles, most editors recommend referring to actually related Wikipedia articles as wikilinks in main article text, shortening the list of See also links at the end, but of course each editor does one fix at a time, and maybe you are leaving that for someone else, like me, to do.) Thanks for your attention to an important group of articles. See you on the wiki. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:30, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm fully willing to follow the 30em parameter, as I haven't heard anything about best practice. I've been cleaning through quite a few see also sections, some of which I cleared completely, others only slightly adding columns. |2 looks better on my screen, but I would use either. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 16:11, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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This week's article for improvement (week 15, 2015)[edit]

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The wheel is one of the most famous and useful inventions in the history of technology

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If you don't understand an edit summary, you may want to ask questions rather than just revert it. I've started a section about the relevant sentence on the talk page. SPACKlick (talk) 19:10, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

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This week's article for improvement (week 16, 2015)[edit]


A saxophone is an example of an aerophone.

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