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Looking for a Canadian to help assess First Nations articles[edit]

Hello, Paul! We could use a Canadian to help out with assessing the First Nations articles, in preparation for a new release of the offline Wikipedia. Any efforts much appreciated!

The Article Lists tool at this link lets you sort by quality, and has a score for articles in demand, which makes it a lot easier and more fun. Djembayz (talk) 14:55, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

I'll look into it this weekend if I have some time. Canadian Paul 19:15, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

The GAN Newsletter (November 2012)[edit]

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Sam Kogan[edit]

Hello Paul,

I am pretty new to Wikipedia but very excited to get involved with what I think is a terrific information resource... I hope this message finds you well.

I wanted to create a page about the Theatre director and teacher, Sam Kogan but noticed that there has previously been a page about him which you deleted on the 5th of June 2010 due to 'Unambiguous copyright infringement'. As part of the deletion information there is a link to what I think must have been an article published in 'The Stage' newspaper, but unfortunately the link is now dead.

I wondered if you could remember what the infringement was specifically and if you could please let me know, as I do not want to make the same mistake on the page I am about to create.

Thank you very much for any help,

Whatifits (talk) 12:56, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello again Paul,

Thank you very much indeed for your prompt reply and all the helpful information therein. I am going to use the article wizard to help with my first article...I'll let you know how I get on.

Whatifits (talk) 11:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello Paul, I am in the process of writing a new article on Sam Kogan but it is taking me a while due to me having to familiarize myself with Wikipedia and how it all works - the links you made me aware of have been very useful, thank you for those. In the meantime I'm wondering if I can request the deletion of the original page on Sam Kogan and cite the source of the obituary thus avoiding future deletion....I think it was indeed an obituary from 'The Stage' newspaper. What do you think? Any help is appreciated. Thank you Paul. Whatifits (talk) 13:09, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Canada lunar sample displays[edit]

IF you are anywhere near the Canada Science and Technology Museum in Ottawa, could you get a picture of the Apollo 17 display. Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 16:09, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately I live in Boston, otherwise I would. I haven't been to Ottawa since seventh grade! Canadian Paul 16:12, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Re:Andrea Viviano[edit]

I added the source. --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Why not an article of 5th level?[edit]

I don't say FA, I don't say GA, I don't say A and I don't say B, but why not: «The article is substantial, but is still missing important content or contains a lot of irrelevant material. The article should have some references to reliable sources, but may still have significant issues or require substantial cleanup.» I do not believe that a student is so happy to take an "E". :-P --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:43, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you say, because it is not what is written here. Perhaps it is better to ask some other opinion than ours. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 17:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hatsue Ono[edit]

Hi Paul,

As with the Koto Okubu article this is another that should be deleted/merged to the List of Japanese supercentenarians. As I am not familiar with the deletion process, and don't want to make a mistake, could you have a look at this when you have time? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 22:00, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Ugh, I have a whole list of these that I need to check for notability. I'll add this one to the top, once I'm done playing catch-up. Canadian Paul 16:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

The WikiProject: Good Articles Newsletter (December 2012)[edit]

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Walter Walsh[edit]

I really did not do anything noteworthy to the article as you can see from the diff, except for a little resectioning and removing blank spaces. Yours, Quis separabit? 17:44, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Tereshchuk[edit]

Hi, just letting you know I modified my !vote after considering your comment, supporting the nom on surname, neutral on first name. http://www.london2012.com/athlete/tereshchuk-viktoriya-1071511/ Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:42, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Yo Ho Ho[edit]

I keep noticing your work on the death anomalies project, and thought that this was a good time of year to say thanks

Thanks! But be honest now, this was just your way of letting me know that the bot is updating again, isn't it? Haha. Canadian Paul 15:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Not at all - you'd spotted that already. The main promotion of the death anomalies that I'm planning for the next six months is my tried and tested one of requesting a slot at Wikimania. Last time I did that we doubled our language versions. ϢereSpielChequers 01:17, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll have to take a look at that when I get back... seems interesting. More collaboration would certainly be helpful - I'm sure you saw my my edit summary about Hildegard Neumann... it would be great to have someone who actually speaks the language to deal with that sort of thing, otherwise it has the potential of looking like vandalism... Canadian Paul 15:41, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
A couple of times in the past I've asked particular Wikiprojects if they can help out, I think it is reasonable if one either has a difficult one or several that are relevant to a particular Wikiproject. I think we tried Russian and another language before, but there's no reason why we couldn't also approach particular sports. It seems sensible to me that if we can't easily source the death date of a Finnish Ice Hockey player there is a good chance that either WikiProject Finland or WikiProject Ice Hockey will have someone with the appropriate sources. ϢereSpielChequers 22:28, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Merry Christmas, Paul! Thanks for all your edits around the recent deaths and Olympians. I found this person to be quite interesting. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 14:14, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Same to you! Great minds think alike or something; I do have Agostini on my long list of "articles for DYK" should I ever again have the chance to, you know, actually improve an article... Canadian Paul 18:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
And a Happy New Year! If you have a moment, I'd be grateful if you could cast your eyes over these AfDs - one and two. Thanks! Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
It looks like most of the detective work was done in my absence, but I'll still ask around to see if there is any information that could swing the debate one way or another. Canadian Paul 16:09, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Nonagenarians[edit]

Was able to track down Gene Harlow's DOD and Pete Harman's DOB. Also James Lemon may be alive, but I'm a bit skeptical. Will do some looking. – Connormah (talk) 03:21, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually, missed that Lemon's article had lines about him being active in the 1930s, so he's probably deceased. – Connormah (talk) 03:35, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
Glad to have finally got some confirmation on Harlow. I found those dates long ago but was never able to prove them... nice work! Oh, and happy holidays too! Canadian Paul 18:04, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
To you also. If you have any other college coaches, don't hesitate to ping me - I can usually get those pretty easily. (given that I've probably done well over 100 by now)... – Connormah (talk) 18:14, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll have to check carefully after I get back from holidays. I had dozens back in 2009, but either you or I have taken care of most of those by now... Canadian Paul 18:16, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
It would seem that Ulysses Shelton is still alive, I'm 90&% sure. Public records show him with matching relatives, but a no match on the DOB. SSDI has nothing, newspaperarchive nothing. Seems he was critically ill in the 1970s as well when he was on trial for extortion, but all signs point to him being alive now. – Connormah (talk) 07:57, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Since he goes on the list either way, I've kept him in the possibly living category for now, pending further evidence, but I'll keep an eye on him, thanks! Canadian Paul 18:20, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Seems like a good idea. We'll know for sure if he dies within the next few years. There's an Ulysses Shelton on the SSDI that died in 1981, but I found newspaper references to this Shelton after that particular year. Public records show him as only aged 90 with matching family members and all, but I guess there's always the chance... – Connormah (talk) 18:51, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Got in touch with some folks at the Society of International Hockey Research and got a few players down from your hockey list. Also, believe it or not, I was able to get William A. Robertson who was stumping both of us a few months back! – Connormah (talk) 05:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

A longevity barnstar.
Wishing you the Peace of the season and prosperity in the New Year. Thanks for your contributions. 7&6=thirteen () 00:33, 30 December 2012 (UTC)
Cheers! Same to you! Canadian Paul 23:13, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

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Walter Schuck[edit]

Since I am the one expanding the article I do as I please. Stay off my back unless you have something of value to add to the article. Thank you MisterBee1966 (talk) 20:37, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Look here, I did a spot check and roughly half of the FAC military history biographies use the first name, last name combo in their respective first subsection of the article (see Daniel Boone as an example). If the reviewers at FAC approve of this I am entitled to stick with this as long as I am working on the article. When I present the article for review you can gladly make your case. Thank you and happy editing. MisterBee1966 (talk) 05:40, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Some context for you. I hadn't noticed that you had commented on the article itself, I had not checked the history of the article itself. The first thing I noticed was your comment on my talk page, telling me to "stop" something. In my culture, telling someone to stop doing something, is as close to hitting someone in the face as you can get without actually physically hitting him, a major insult. In that respect my response was rather polite. May I assume that was not your intend? MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:41, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem. Thanks for pointing it out to me MisterBee1966 (talk) 15:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

AfD for multiple supercentenarian articles[edit]

Hi Paul, Hope you're not too busy! There has been a rash of articles on US supercentenarians, all of which show as little notability as those recently deleted/redirected. Jeralean Talley, Susannah Mushatt Jones, Bernice Madigan, Soledad Mexia, Evelyn Kozak. This getting tiresome! Is there some way that articles on supercentenarians that are WP:ONEVENT such as all these can be defined as suitable Speedy Deletion or at least specifically mentioned under WP:N as not qualifying for a separate article? The people creating them seem to not take the hint that they are not notable. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 07:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

No, unfortunately. A speedy isn't going to work because the deletion discussions have been hotly contested in the past, even if they do, on average, end up leading to deletion. Plus the fact that all of the above are 113+ years old and those are the ones that tend to be kept, which means they don't qualify for "uncontroversial". You can try a bulk AfD of course, but I think that it would fall through due to the disparity between the articles... some actually can end up being adequately sourced, others cannot, so you can't apply the same rationale to all. With the exception of articles like Koto Okubo and Hatsue Ono, where they are trying to remain anonymous and thus clearly have no in-depth sources, it's usually not worth the time/stress to try and delete the living ones anyways... usually about a month after their death is a good time to gauge their notability because, after that, there won't be a rash of new articles ever (as in, someone not notable now becomes the oldest living person, and thus becomes notable). I'm definitely keeping a long list though. Canadian Paul
As you can see Sussannah Mushatt Jones got deleted but strangely the next 3 survived (now that Jeralean Talley is the oldest in US I see no reason to delete her)! Unfortunately I missed them and they managed to get Speedy Kept (which seems unjustified given your reasoning above against Speedy Deletion!). I've added them to my watchlist so I don't miss the next nominations. On a related topic, a series of discussions at Talk:Jiroemon Kimura has finally started removing the worst of the so-called "longevity milestones" which infest most of these articles. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 00:08, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
Well, unfortunately those nominations were all from disruptive editors (or perhaps just one), so a speedy keep makes sense in these cases. It might even be someone who wants to keep these articles, but nominated them to make other such nominations seem disruptive to admins. Who knows? In any case, like I said above, it's rarely worth nominating a living person anyways. As for the longevity milestones, that's definitely good news. My opinion is that if the milestone can't be incorporated into the prose and have the flow maintained, it doesn't belong there. In fact, I should probably contribute that to the discussions. No article would ever pass WP:GA or WP:FA with a separate list of "longevity milestones", per WP:TRIVIA. Canadian Paul 23:05, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Additional discussion on "milestones" at Talk:Misao Okawa, Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 23:40, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Commented. Canadian Paul 23:52, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Paul! DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 05:15, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Hockey Players[edit]

Got any more players without DODs that aren't listed at User:Marc87/Hockey? Been trying to get some of these over the past few days. – Connormah (talk) 14:23, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Also, a side note - Don Willson is most likely deceased. The SIHR people I've been working with have been searching for him for quite a while it seems. I also contacted the author of the article you cited and apparently he made the assumption based on web sources (probably the fact he has no DOD or something on hockeydb). – Connormah (talk) 14:38, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Well, I had Jean Marois on my "possibly living" list, but I did a quick search for him before I replied to this and found out that he died prior to 2010: [1]. Couldn't find the exact date though. I did have a feeling that Willson was deceased, but since the problems with Pola Illéry, I tend to be more cautious with moving people out of "living people". I think that it is appropriate here though. To be honest, I've been meaning to review the entire "living" list, as I suspect one or two might have died and had their deaths go unnoticed (it was almost a year before I noticed that Bill Benson had died), but I haven't had the time. The ones I am most uncertain about are James Jamieson (ice hockey) and Harold Brown (ice hockey). I moved them to "living people" based on the fact that they have no death date on their NY Rangers profile pages (whereas they do list players who are deceased whose dates are unknown), but they also listed Oscar Aubuchon without a "deceased, date unknown" note, so they may actually be deceased. Canadian Paul 18:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Willson is most certainly deceased it seems. Wouldn't be opposed to moving to YOD missing even without that source. The SIHR people I'm working with seem to have been looking for him for a while - there's a few possibilities we're looking into. Good work on Marois as well, I had feelings that he may be deceased as well. Did you get my e-mail on Harold Brown, by the way? Found an obit in the Calgary Herald in 1997 for Harold Fraser "Hal" Brown, that is most probably him. I'm going to see if I can get it this week. I'm going to do some looking for Jamieson tonight hopefully. – Connormah (talk) 00:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Also, think that Martin Zoborosky could be moved to possibly (with the info added)? He's probably deceased, but I guess there may be the chance. – Connormah (talk) 00:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I'll move Willson then, quite a fall from "second oldest NHLer ever" to "deceased" in less than a week.... Anyhow, that Brown obit seems quite likely. I'm reviewing all the "living" players on my list right now, so I'll take a look for Jamieson and North Dakota as well. Canadian Paul 00:58, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
I can't seem to get anything for Jamieson in ND...interesting. I wonder if he had a middle initial/name, that would certainly make things easier. – Connormah (talk) 01:25, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Got it. He's been gone for just over 27 years. – Connormah (talk) 03:13, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Living people who are 90+[edit]

Hi Paul. You may know this already, but if not, you may find it useful. You can search across two categories in the search box with the following syntax:

  • +incategory:"Living people" +incategory:"1913 births"

Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

In fact I did not know that. Thanks, I'll have to check that out this weekend... so much for my hopes of taking a break from Wikipedia! Canadian Paul 19:15, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

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Clark Smith[edit]

Good eyes and nice find for that 100th cite! – Connormah (talk) 03:42, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

List of longest lived state leaders[edit]

I would enjoy your input at Talk:List of longest lived state leaders#Eight possible additions. Star Garnet (talk) 23:48, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure. I'll have a look at it tomorrow. Canadian Paul 02:41, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Oumar Ba[edit]

This gives a Year of Death as 1964, good enough? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 02:34, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Great find! I've added it to the article, thanks! Canadian Paul 22:48, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Walther Gerhold[edit]

I noticed that you had reverted the edits by his grandson. I reverted your revert and provided the newspaper death notice as evidence. I hope that is okay for you? MisterBee1966 (talk) 09:20, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

A little late in replying but, yeah, that's all I was looking for. Thanks! Canadian Paul 21:10, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Paul Maze[edit]

Hi Paul, I see you changed the death month of the artist Paul Maze from September to June. His biography The Lost Impressionist says he died on 17 September and an obit from the New York Times would seem to support this. These are pretty solid sources. I suggest we go with these. What do you think? Span (talk) 23:45, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Looks good to me! I've updated the article. Canadian Paul 23:52, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Span (talk) 23:55, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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Jack Price....You know what happens with assumptions....[edit]

Just died April 18th. Got him fixed up. You could kill someone sending them to an early grave if they arent already dead.  ;p Just giving ya a hard time. Keep on keeping on.10:29, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Yup, sometimes even the reliable sources fail. It's not even the first time it's happened to me this month. And multiple news reports had Ettore Perego as having died... until he turned 100 on the 11th! Canadian Paul 21:30, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Re:Weird Al[edit]

A few years ago I got "In 3-D", "Dare to Be Stupid", "Even Worse", and "Off the Deep End" up to GA. I was planning to do more, but kind of forgot to... but yeah, I'd love to help out get as many of his albums up to GA (or higher) that I can. I was actually going to go back and finished some work I started on Alapalooza when I noticed you got that up to GA! Good job, BTW! I'd love to work towards Weird Al's Discography being a Good Topic.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 01:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Last surviving 1800s-born people[edit]

This looks like it violates WP:SYNTH, WP:OR, WP:V and/or possibly WP:SAL. Your thoughts? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 01:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Oy. I don't have time to look at it this weekend, but I'll check it out next week. Canadian Paul 16:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Why Willy Otto Jordan is a stub? This article has all the most important information about the competitions in which the swimmer participated, which is what matters most, in a biography of swimmer. At most, what is lacking is information (less relevant) about what he did after swimming career, do not occupy many lines. The classification of articles is performed in seven levels, "stub" is the worst of 7, and to me, stub are articles with 2 or 3 lines who shows very badly the existence and notability of the person. Stub, for this article, is a classification too radical. Mark Spitz is Start class (second worst of 7 levels)? It makes me laugh. What I need to put in this article to be FA, a full DNA exam of Spitz? There is a big difference between this and this. Actually, all of you do not know to use the classification that you yourselves have created. I bet most of the articles that are as "Stub" are Start, C or B, but you can not identify the minor differences between them, or grossly underestimate the quality of articles, so much so that almost nothing is GA, A or FA due to the level of demand, let me say, irrational, applied here. Rauzaruku (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Personal attacks will get you nowhere on Wikipedia. By my experience and reading of the criteria, this article is at best one of those borderline cases between stub and start that could go either way, depending on one's subjective judgment. I tend to err towards the lower ranking, as Wikipedia does not benefit from inflating the quality of articles, but there's a simple way to decide how the article should be rated, so I will list it here to get a neutral, third party assessment. Canadian Paul 03:09, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
I have no intention of making personal attacks, but rather, to speak the truth and make a free assessment. If an article has 80 or 90% of the existing data, notable and relevant information about a person, then it can never be classified as Stub, no matter the size of it. The important thing in a biography is not the size of the item or text runaround, but if the data about the person are complete. A person may have a much longer biography than the other, is not the case for evaluating text size.Rauzaruku (talk) 09:55, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

Another for the Centenarians list[edit]

For sports - Wesley Englehorn lived to 103. – Connormah (talk) 07:15, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Added, thanks! Canadian Paul 00:38, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
And another newly discovered one - Howard B. Lee, who lived to the ripe age of 105! – Connormah (talk) 02:50, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Also: Charles Navarro - died aged 101 – Connormah (talk) 04:06, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
Nice finds! I'll check them out/add them later today or tomorrow! Canadian Paul 23:07, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
Decided to write Patrick J. Hannifin, so you can strike him off your list! – Connormah (talk) 04:59, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll add him to my list of nonagenarians shortly! Canadian Paul 20:17, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
Another centenarian... Bernard Leo KorchinskiConnormah (talk) 17:01, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
Added, thanks! Canadian Paul 22:16, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
1913 born Helen F. Holt is still alive... – Connormah (talk) 05:50, 15 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll wait a few days to see if a 100th birthday announcement comes out, before I add her to the "potential" list, since that might save me some time/effort. Canadian Paul 17:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)
Aaaand... she's added. Canadian Paul 22:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Thomas Patrick Murray lived to 101. Will send you the obit. – Connormah (talk) 18:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the heads up. I'll add him to the centenarian list later today and to my personal list of articles to expand (they get done every now and then, haha). Canadian Paul 22:48, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Egypt at the 1996 Summer Olympics[edit]

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DYK for Doreen Cooper[edit]

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Alexander Imich[edit]

Hi-According to the article about Alexander Imich he was involved in a war in 1918. The question is: exactly what war was he in? The Polish-Ukrainian War of 1918 or the Polish-Soviet War of 1919-1921. The article said he drove trucks to the front in 1918 and then went back to school. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks-RFD (talk) 22:57, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Joe Marhefka[edit]

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Re: Olympic athletes[edit]

I would refer you to WP:GNG, WP:BASIC (additional refer:Articles may still not be created for such people if they fall under exclusionary criteria, such as being notable only for a single event), WP:WP:NOTWHOSWHO, WP:FAILN, WP:NRVE, WP:INDISCRIMINATE and Wikipedia:Your first article#Things to avoid.

These articles only have a single reference and in each case it is only to a database, not to anything that establishes these subjects have any notability. They were additionally created by an experienced editor who should know better. This has nothing to do with being Olympians and everything to do with creating articles simply because you can. Several of these articles could be replaced with redirects to the relevant Olympic events.

Regardless of subject matter, Wikipedia is not a substitute for/reproduction of other websites databases. --Falcadore (talk) 19:24, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Morley Byron Bursey[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 17:19, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Frank Salvat[edit]

You have given Salvat's date of death as 24 April 2013. Have you a source for that? The best I could find was the BBC News item that is referenced in the article that says "last month", i.e. May 2013. Emeraude (talk) 06:51, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

As per my edit summary, the date of death can be found in the first reference. I've cited it directly now in the body of the article and hopefully that will clear things up! Canadian Paul 20:24, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bob Richards (Canadian rower)[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

TemplateData[edit]

Hey Canadian Paul

I'm sending you this because you've made quite a few edits to the template namespace in the past couple of months. If I've got this wrong, or if I haven't but you're not interested in my request, don't worry; this is the only notice I'm sending out on the subject :).

So, as you know (or should know - we sent out a centralnotice and several watchlist notices) we're planning to deploy the VisualEditor on Monday, 1 July, as the default editor. For those of us who prefer markup editing, fear not; we'll still be able to use the markup editor, which isn't going anywhere.

What's important here, though, is that the VisualEditor features an interactive template inspector; you click an icon on a template and it shows you the parameters, the contents of those fields, and human-readable parameter names, along with descriptions of what each parameter does. Personally, I find this pretty awesome, and from Monday it's going to be heavily used, since, as said, the VisualEditor will become the default.

The thing that generates the human-readable names and descriptions is a small JSON data structure, loaded through an extension called TemplateData. I'm reaching out to you in the hopes that you'd be willing and able to put some time into adding TemplateData to high-profile templates. It's pretty easy to understand (heck, if I can write it, anyone can) and you can find a guide here, along with a list of prominent templates, although I suspect we can all hazard a guess as to high-profile templates that would benefit from this. Hopefully you're willing to give it a try; the more TemplateData sections get added, the better the interface can be. If you run into any problems, drop a note on the Feedback page.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:54, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Contradictory opinion[edit]

Hi Paul, Please see this in relation to super-c citations. It appears to contradict recent avoidance of GRG as a source for anything other than actual DoB/age. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 21:20, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK RfC[edit]

  • As a listed GA participant, you are invited to contribute to a formal Request for Comment on the question of whether Good Articles should be eligible to appear in the Did You Know? slot in future. Please see the proposal on its subpage here, or on the main DYK talk page. To add the discussion to your watchlist, click this link. Thank you in advance. Gilderien Chat|Contributions02:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)


Well Done!![edit]

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So fifty DYKs - thats not so easy - its three years since you had a 25DYK but so many barnstars!. All those sporting articles and many of them about the Olympics and some about people, sometimes both and sometimes just a random subject. And you have such a nationalistic tag Paul but you seem to hit the sporting map with a pin - nice. If you have done 50 DYKs then you have probably nominated another 50 articles so that is a 100 that you have helped with. So thank you again and if you have enjoyed this award then pass it on to another of our contributors. Thanks from me and the wiki. Victuallers (talk) 18:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Victuallers! I've got another in the works now, so cheers to another 50 (in hopefully less than 3 years this time)! Canadian Paul 22:06, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Moraff's World for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Moraff's World is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Moraff's World until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:32, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

I hope I did all of this correctly. It's the first time I've actually nominated anything for deletion; I was quite happy to avoid the more administrative/bureaucratic side of Wikipedia for six years worth of editing. I guess this means I can't pretend to be a casual editor any more. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:39, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
I would say you can, but maybe that's just me. I'm a bit swamped at the moment, but I'll take a look at soon; I don't have much to contribute anyways. Canadian Paul 18:02, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Charles Bunyan[edit]

Both Sports Reference and FIFA confirm that Charles Bunyan played at the Olympics. GiantSnowman 19:38, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

No, your Sports Reference link is an old one. See [2]. Further contemporary reports can be sent to WP:OTRS if needed. Canadian Paul 19:39, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
What bout FIFA thought? They are the world governing body for football. GiantSnowman 19:40, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
FIFA is, as is often the case, wrong. In the Derby Daily Telegraph, December 21, 1950 (no link, unfortunately) Charles Bunyan himself clarifies that it was his brother Maurice who competed in the Olympics. Canadian Paul 19:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Bunyan brothers at the Olympics. GiantSnowman 19:44, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

John William Fuhrer[edit]

Full DOD is July 24, 1972 as per an obit I received about 7 months ago... – Connormah (talk) 12:23, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Canadian Paul 16:33, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Angelo Damiano[edit]

Hi Canadian Paul; through MerlBot's list of articles for people which are categorised as deceased in other Wikipedia language versions in the German-language Wikipedia I came across Angelo Damiano where you added a "date of death per new reference". Well, surely I'm missing something obvious, but I can't find the "new reference" and no date of death in the two references given...? Gestumblindi (talk) 21:57, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Addendum: I've now had a look at the talk page for Angelo Damiano in the German Wikipedia and people there are saying that the death date of November 17, 1999 is wrong; that, in fact, Angelo Damiano is still alive and that there are reports about various activities by him (as per 2011, according to Nicola). The erroneous DOD seems to come from a mistake in a German website...? I haven't looked deeper into this, but to be on the safe side, I'm going to remove the DOD here for the time being. Gestumblindi (talk) 22:09, 8 September 2013 (UTC)
Of course it would be, among the hundreds of Olympians that I update, that the one I forget to actually attach the reference has the problem. The missing sources for his DOD are Sports Reference, Memoire du cyclisme, and Sport Olimpico (Italian) (year only). As for the talk page on the German Wikipedia, unless there's a source for the claims or an OTRS submission, I'm not sure that we should be removing sourceable material based on talk page comments. After all, we wouldn't add a death date just because someone on the talk page claims the person has died (even if it's likely to be true), so we shouldn't take a sourced one away either. Canadian Paul 17:14, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
On the other hand, well-known user Nicola on the German talk page seems to refer to articles published in 2011, "mehrere Berichte über einen quicklebendigen und sehr umtriebigen Damiano" ("several accounts of a very much living and very active Damiano"). I presume that she means the links she added to the article as inline citations then - sadly, these two links are not working anymore (redirecting to a generic page). Of course you are right - if we don't find currently accessible sources contradicting the sources for November 17, 1999 as DOD, we can assume that he died then. I'm going to ask Nicola if she's able to find more material resp. to replace the links. Gestumblindi (talk) 17:27, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good. I'll assume good faith and hold off on adding any death information back until more is known. Canadian Paul 17:32, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. I've now asked for more/current information on her talk page in German WP. Nicola is an experienced editor in the area of bicycle racing (active in the German cycling portal), so I don't think she would randomly and falsely claim a deceased cyclist living, couldn't see the point of it... This November 17, 1999 DOD might well be an error that managed to spread across several websites / databases from a bad source. Gestumblindi (talk) 17:40, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
Dear Paul, Sports-Reference, which is mostly a very trustable source, says AD died in 1999, and of course people refer to that. But I found a lot of sites in Italian, on which AD is very "present" in the last years, until May 2013:
[3], [4]
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[7]
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[9] Cordially, --Nicola54 (talk) 18:22, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the message Nicola54! I'll forward these on to the database behind Sports Reference and have the date of death removed from their page. Canadian Paul 18:39, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks to both of you. As the apparent 1999 DOD error probably will persevere on various web pages even if the Sports Reference database removes it, what would you think of an addition like this, to prevent confusion in the future? "Angelo Damiano often appears as a guest at Italian cycling events. Web sources reporting his death in 1999 appear to be in error" (giving some of Nicola's links as references). Gestumblindi (talk) 18:57, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
@Paul. I contacted Sports Reference in the meantime aswell :) And I asked somebody from the Italian Federation and he promised me to check it, too. --Nicola54 (talk) 19:34, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Oldest living Australian Olympian[edit]

Hi Paul, I expect you've either looked in to this or will do when you have time! With the death of Basil Dickinson there are now no Australian Olympians from before WWII. Contenders for the oldest living (prior to 1920) are Wal Lambert (30 April 1916), Colin French (20 November 1916), Arthur Burge (24 August 1917), John Murphy (10 April 1919), Alexander Martonffy (7 May 1919), Monty Hakansson (28 October 1919). I can find nothing confirming that any are living or have died. Hopefully the AOC will come up with something. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 08:31, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the list! We discovered that French almost certainly died in 1984, and that Hakansson was still alive in 1985 (not certain past that). Other than that, we're looking into the rest of them. FWIW, the oldest Australian Olympian that I know is definitely alive is Forbes Carlile, which would mean a six year gap from Dickinson. Cheers, Canadian Paul 22:44, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Ottoz family these days has celebrated 99 years of Gabre Gabric[edit]

4 and 7 are reversed in transcribing the date of birth to a border crossing, then she was born 17 October 1914 and not 14 October 1917. Have you a Facebook account? If you do want to participate in the discussion in which the direct descendants explain these facts. --Kasper2006 (talk) 03:58, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

As I explained on the talk page, the family's opinion of the birth year is irrelevant, as it constitutes original research. What is verifiable is more important than what is true. As outlined on the talk page (where this discussion should be taking place, not on my talk page), you either need an appropriate third-party source that states her birth year is 1914 and explains the contradiction with the piece where the individual in question claims that her birth year is 1917, or to submit something to WP:OTRS. The sources that you've added to her article seem to be family blogs that do not meet Wikipedia's criteria of reliable sources, but I will post on the reliable source noticeboard and see what they say. If they are fine there, then they are fine with me, and we can note 1917 in a footnote. I will post a link here when I have created the discussion. Canadian Paul 22:05, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Here is the link. Canadian Paul 22:07, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
Also the real life is an original research? ;) Here her doughter Lyana Calvesi post this on FB --Kasper2006 (talk) 08:16, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Yes, yes it is original research, as is everything else that you have added to Gabric's page. I have explained very clearly what needs to be done in order for it not to qualify as original research, yet you continue to ignore it and (as in the past) just do whatever you want. Unless there is a consensus at the noticeboard that what you are doing is not original research, I will be reverting and removing all of it as a violation of Wikipedia's policies. Canadian Paul 05:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
No one has replied to a thread. I have let you see pictures of the birthday, I made you would see documents produced by his son in law, the Olympic bronze medalist Eddy Ottoz. For me there is no problem, if you want to insert a news story on Wikipedia different from the truth. The fact remains that it assumes a character grotesque. ;) --Kasper2006 (talk) 14:47, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
I've watched the discussion and have not participated because I cannot give you any further input on the subject. Fact is, she holds 4 Masters world records that this birthdate issue calls into question. Thus this whole discussion does affect WP:BLP, in other words get your facts right before you go public. Her birthdate on the wikipedia page is 14 October, 1914 (written in European form). I posted that. My source was here. We have already had Fauja Singh lose credit for a slew of world records essentially because the circumstances of his birthdate were called into question publicly in the press. Don't make wikipedia a party to a wild goose chase until you have your facts correct and documented. That means WP:RS and nothing else, no WP:OR, backroom deals or discussions will substitute. Trackinfo (talk) 16:00, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
Another curiosity. After that the FIDAL certified the date of 1914 (and thus were assigned to the 4 world record masters W95), the lady herself made ​​an interview in which he claimed to have been born in 1917;) --Kasper2006 (talk) 07:22, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
Per Trackinfo's well thought out comment above, I have reverted the original research as a BLP issue. If you insert it again, without going through WP:OTRS or providing a reliable source, I will be bringing this to the BLP and/or Admin noticeboards. Right now the only reliable source is the published interview where she admits that 1914 is a transcription error and claims to be born in 1917 (I have added a footnote to this effect). Unless you produce an OTRS ticket or a reliable source that explains that away, all "the family claims this" material is unusable original research. Canadian Paul 00:27, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── You won your battle. Were you able to write on Wikipedia a false thing. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 05:26, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

No need to be dramatic, Wikipedia is not a battleground. If you are unhappy with the present situation, there are several ways that you could remedy it and work within Wikipedia's policies, like submitting the material to WP:OTRS, which you refuse to do for some reason. If you're unhappy at this point, you have no one to blame but yourself. Canadian Paul 06:33, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter[edit]

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Requesting your opinion[edit]

Hi. Can you offer your opinion in this consensus discussion? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 18:07, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I'll check it out soon. Canadian Paul 06:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

hi! Do you have the time to review a languishing article?[edit]

Hi, CanadianPaul! I have an article up for GA review for 3 months now, Blowing from a gun, I would like an experienced editor like yourself, with time on your side to have a look at. I asked a fellow editor, Boneyard90, if he had some suggestions to editors that might be interested, and your name turned up. I understand, of course, if you don't feel like getting involved, but there's no harm in asking, is there? :-) Arildnordby (talk) 17:17, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Let me get back to you on this. I'm pretty busy right now, but I might have some time coming up to take a look at it. I'll let you know soon. Canadian Paul 22:46, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your quick response. If you don't feel you'll have the time for a time-consuming, conscientious GA review proper, I would still be very grateful if you could, at some point or other convenient for you, be able to give me a few hints for improvement of the article.Arildnordby (talk) 23:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Taking just a quick look at it, I noticed three things. First of all, per WP:LEAD, the introduction does not usually require citations, because it should not introduce any information that is not present in the body of the article (thus making lead citations redundant). Without having read carefully, I don't know if the lead currently contains information that the body does not, but please make certain that this is not the case. Secondly, I notice that there are a lot of block quotations at the beginning. While I have not read them yet to check if they are appropriate, please make certain that they comply with WP:NONFREE's prohibition on the "extensive quotation of copyrighted text". Finally, I notice that there are a lot of one-to-two sentence paragraphs throughout the text. This is almost always avoidable and breaks up the flow of the article, making it difficult to read/comprehend/retain. Most of the time they can be expanded or connected to surrounding paragraphs. The big exception to this, of course, is material that comes directly before or after block quotes - you don't need to worry about those. And the same most certainly goes for sections; for example, there is no reason that the material under "After 1857" needs to be its own paragraph, let alone its own section.

If you can take care of these issues, and wait a week, I should probably have some time to review the article properly for GA. Canadian Paul 22:39, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for great initial comment! Just to give a few comments. The references in the lead are redundant, but I chose to include them there, for the benefit of "Only lead readers", since I endeavoured to make the lead into a stand-alone, fully referenced comprimation of the full article. Those citations can, of course, be deleted. The only independent information bit in the Lead section is, effectively, the direct description from George Carter Stent (although paragraphs/foot notes on other works sum up to the same descriptions), but I might of course, make an initial section in the article containing the Stent quote, comprising the Lead reference to it. As for readability, what you write isn't really an objective statement, but a subjective preference; in my subjective preference, the "flow" of a text can as much hide natural distinctions, and not the least, be a lot less searchable than the use of appropriate headers. As for post-1857, 1857 is so dominant in this context that post-1857 will be swallowed by removing the heading. However, an idea might be to divide the British India chapter in two sections, one focusing on 1857, the other on non-1857. Then, I might do away with the post-57-header! But, anyways thanks for your tip! I'll look at the article critically with those ideas you mentioned. The vast majority of works with extended quotes have been gained from Google Books, from books published before 1860, under "Unrestricted View" option. Arildnordby (talk) 23:03, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
Hmmm, I think that you may be looking for a different kind of review/advice than I am able to provide at the moment. I think you would probably benefit in waiting for a reviewer who can better suit your needs and has more time to look at the article, which I honestly don't have much of at the moment. Sorry. Canadian Paul 23:31, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
That's OK! It's a long beast of an article on a very unpleasant subject of minimal historical importance, so I understand the reluctance of other editors to get involved with it. Thanks for the comments you DID give, though, and I'm looking over where a better flow in the text can be achieved. It is a balance thing, I guess.Arildnordby (talk) 23:45, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 04:43, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

The Olympics Star Barnstar[edit]

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I, Newyorkadam, hereby grant The Olympics Star barnstar to Canadian Paul for his fantastic re-write of Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics. Newyorkadam (talk) 02:36, 12 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam

Thanks so much! I do what I can! Canadian Paul 04:14, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Canadian silver team in coxed eights at the 1960 Summer Olympics; Lorne Loomer or David Anderson (conflicting sources)[edit]

If you have time, maybe you would like to take a look at the question whether Lorne Loomer should be replaced with David Anderson (British Columbia politician) as member of the silver winning team for Canada in coxed eights at the 1960 Summer Olympics? Involved pages are Rowing at the 1960 Summer Olympics, List of 1960 Summer Olympics medal winners, Canada at the 1960 Summer Olympics, as well as the individual biographies. See [10] and [11], in support for replacement. (See also conflicting information in [12] and [13], supporting Loomer as silver medalist, and used by me back in 2008 when creating the article on Lorne Loomer.) Thanks. Oceanh (talk) 13:05, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

I've researched into this and Anderson was definitely the rower in the coxed eights. Since it was a last minute change, there was an important source (I'm pretty sure it was the Olympic report, but I have to double check) that kept Loomer on the squad, which is why the mistake has been copied in other reliable sources. If you need, I can take a look and retrace my sources that prove that Anderson was in the boat and not Loomer, but the BC Sports Hall of Fame backs up Anderson along with your other sources. Canadian Paul 23:38, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your research! I have corrected the "Rowing at ..." article and the Loomer biography, and also left a note about the conflicting sources in those articles. Strange that the error could remain for more than five years. Oceanh (talk) 08:28, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Kelley[edit]

Oops - Seems that I had a mental lapse when I added that. I've reverted. Oh, BTW - I e-mailed you re: Victor Forget. – Connormah (talk) 21:20, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

The Forget wife was Rollande Huppe, also for your reference. – Connormah (talk) 22:02, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Frank Pierpoint Appleby[edit]

Turns out he was actually born in 1913...[14] [15]. I added the cites to his article but if you'd like to add him to his respective centenarian list, please do! – Connormah (talk) 18:24, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Done! Canadian Paul 20:30, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

French film director who could be 100+[edit]

Hi Paul. The article for the French film director Robert Darène has been edited several times recently to state that he is a centenarian. I can't find anything to say that he has infact reached his 100th birthday, or indeed, if he's still alive. I'd appreciate if you're able to find any information about his current status, if possible. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:58, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

I've been keeping an eye on that page and noticed that this seems to be a recurring problem. I have been looking for, but not yet found, anything to confirm his centenarian status, but I will continue to search. In the meantime, if the addition of unverifiable information by anonymous users who refuse to explain their edits continues as it has, I will protect the page and give you some reprieve on that front. Canadian Paul 23:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Paul. On a unrelated note, is Norwegian Olympian Finn Hodt still alive? You have him listed on your table as still being alive but also you have a note above it saying "28.No Norwegian Olympians born before January 9, 1920 are alive". Thanks again. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:03, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, to the best of my knowledge, Hodt is still alive; that's an oversight on my part that I will correct. Thanks! Generally speaking, SR has really great Norwegian and Swedish researchers, so it's usually safe to assume that if there's no DOD on SR for a Norwegian or Swedish athlete, then that person is still alive. Canadian Paul 22:10, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Brilliant - thanks again, Paul. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

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March 2014 GAN Backlog Drive[edit]

It's that time again! Starting on March 1, there will be another GAN Backlog Drive! There will be several changes compared to previous drives:

  • This drive will introduce a new component to it; a point system. In a nutshell, older nominations are worth more points than newer nominations. The top 3 participants who have the points will be awarded the Golden, Silver, or Bronze Wikipedia Puzzle Piece Trophy, respectively.
  • Unlike the December 2013 Backlog Drive, earning an additional barnstar if you reached your goal has been removed.
  • The allowance to have insufficient reviews has been lowered to 2 before being disqualified.
  • An exception to the rule that all reviews must be completed before the deadline has been created.

Also, something that I thought I would share with all of you is that we raised $20.88 (USD) for the WMF in the December 2013 drive. It may not sound like a lot but considering that that was raised just because we reviewed articles, I would say that's pretty good! With that success, pledges can be made for the upcoming drive if you wish.

More info regarding the drive and full descriptions regarding the changes to this drive can be found on the the drive page. If you have any questions, feel free to leave a message on the drive talk page.

I look forward to your participation and hope that because of it, some day the backlog will be gone!

--Dom497

--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:58, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

GAN March 2014 Backlog Drive[edit]

The March 2014 GAN Backlog Drive has begun and will end on April 1, 2014! Sent by Dom497 on behalf of MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Hussein Mehmedov[edit]

Hey there, I don't know what to tell you. So far there isn't a "news" of his death, even if a news agency or a website does report on it, it will most likely be in Turkish. He is my grandfather and he passed away on March 9th. I do play to add on more to his wiki and include more info on him and his life as well as old pictures of him when I go to Turkey next month. So far this is what I have as a primary source, my word. Let me know if you have any more questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hcakir0110 (talkcontribs) 02:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


Right after I sent this I went through Google and Turkish websites to see if there were any news reported and I found a website that is operated by his home town people, and yes it is Turkish. Karagozkoy you can translate it in Google. There is also a rather recent picture of him in his room. His name is dubbed "Haci Huseyin Pehlivan" meaning "Pilgrim Wrestler Huseyin" as he is called in his home town and where he lives, a road by his house is even names after him with the same wording. Haci Huseyin Pehlivan Sokak(Street). Google Map

Another Edit I have done is changed it to Husein Mehmedov, from the two ss. I don't know how to change the wiki url or the main title. If you can help, it would be very much appropriated. Thank you.

No problem. Done! Canadian Paul 20:03, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 10:51, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics[edit]

The article Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Egypt at the 2012 Summer Olympics for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Rambling Man -- The Rambling Man (talk) 14:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Leopold Maier-Labergo[edit]

Hi Paul. I'm good thanks - hope you are too. I moved him into year of death missing based on him being born in 1908, so the chances of him being 106+ are slim. Hope that's OK. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ahh, great. Thanks for the heads-up. I have no issue with him being in the PLP cat. Thanks again. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 20:15, 24 March 2014 (UTC)


Looking back on this one, I think I was looking at the possibly living people from WP:LIVINGDEAD. On a related matter, the article for Loni Nest is interesting. Some conflicting reports that she died this month, but nothing that seems to be reliable. I thought I'd found one via the German article, but it was changed back. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 07:41, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Your shirt[edit]

Glad to have been the instrument of justice. Enjoy! 7&6=thirteen () 20:27, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Category Deletion Request[edit]

Hi, We have never met on Wikipedia before but I just did random selection from administrators list :-)

Please can you please help delete Category:Vice-Chancellors of Ghana? I created a new one Category:Vice-Chancellors in Ghana after recognizing I can request for speedy renaming. I will be glad you delete the first one. Regards. I did notified an administrator also. →Enock4seth (talk) 01:10, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Sure, no problem. It has been done. Canadian Paul 01:14, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. →Enock4seth (talk) 07:37, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User:Canadian Paul/Olympics[edit]

User:Canadian Paul/Olympics, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Canadian Paul/Olympics and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Canadian Paul/Olympics during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Beerest 2 Talk page 01:16, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

help me[edit]

Dear Canadian Paul could you help me? User Alex Bakharev told me that if the village is home to a lot of non-titular nation in the first paragraph of Article settlement can specify the name of the minority language . For this reason, he rolled my edits in the article Karabulak (South Kazakhstan), where I removed the name of the Uzbek village in Kazakhstan. But when I started to make changes Kazakh names of cities in Russia where a very large living Kazakh diaspora ( in some localities the proportion was quite significant and they were the second largest after the Russian ), this party started contradicting himself again delete my edits and completion just me blocked . Judge please who is right ? He blocked my previous IP 95.161.227.254

Sincerely anonim 2.132.55.134 (talk) 15:03, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

No, I cannot help you for two reasons. First of all you have been blocked for disruptive editing, which means that you should not be editing Wikipedia under any IP address or user name, except for the talk page of the original IP address that was blocked. Since you have chosen to evade the block, I have reset your block timer on your old IP address and added one for your current IP. All the information pertaining to your block can be found on the talk page of your original IP address here. Secondly, there is an extensive discussion already going on on Alex Bakharev's talk page, as you are aware, which has the involvement of many other users. That is where the discussion about these edits should take place and neither side should be editing on the issue until consensus has been achieved. Continually insisting on having your way through edit warring is what got you blocked in the first place. You should also not be forum shopping to find an administrator/user who agrees with you. If you feel that the discussion is not productive or is failing to address a serious issue, you can also take the dispute to one of the forums for dispute resolution. But only after the term of your block has expired. Canadian Paul 18:22, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
Good day, blocking time is over. Could you answer my question, now. Please explain to me why, when writing on Wikipedia about settlements in Kazakhstan always in the first paragraph have to write the name in the language of peoples living there, and when we write in the article about settlements in Russia so do not. It depends on each country's policies or does it depend on the degree of selfishness each administrator Wikipedia? 95.161.227.254 (talk) 08:42, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
As I said above, please continue the discussion where it is being held and do not forum shop. If you feel that you require a third opinion or dispute resolution, please bring your concerns to the dispute resolution noticeboard mentioned above, where you will be provided with some neutral assistance. Canadian Paul 22:03, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Gladys Egan[edit]

Hi Paul, the above article has recently been updated with a new DoB, and a DoD, which seems to have been based on this research. It seems as though the information is correct but I doubt there's anything which RS. Thoughts? Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 03:01, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Even though I am fairly convinced that it is accurate, I had to remove it. There have simply be too many issues with old film stars (Loni Nest, Pola Illéry, Louise Henry etc.) to accept anything other than indisputably reliable sources, since even reliable sources have proven to be hoaxed and misleading. In my summary though, I left the suggestion that the material could be submitted to WP:OTRS and readded. Canadian Paul 22:18, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

With regards to Gladys Egan, the child film star, only one person listed in the 1910 U.S. Census had the correct name, was a New York City resident of the correct age (b. 1900), and had a sister named Pearl (they were co-billed in a 1909 stage production reviewed by the New York Times). Per her death certificate, she died in a convalescent hospital in Lemon Grove, CA at 06:30 on March 8, 1985. There's more to the story, but suffice it to say, the mystery of Gladys Egan has been solved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.46.216.70 (talk) 03:04, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Please see above. We cannot accept original research here on Wikipedia, particularly as there have been too many problems with biographical data on old movie stars. If you think that you can convince the higher-ups to include the material, then please submit it to them via WP:OTRS. I have also opened a thread on this matter at the reliable sources noticeboard if you wish to comment there. Canadian Paul 18:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Deletion request[edit]

Hi Paul. I'd be grateful if you could delete the article for Maigué Abbas. I've just created it, but it's a duplicate of another article. Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 19:27, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Done! Canadian Paul 19:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Got sidetracked with Chadian footballers for some reason... Anyhow, thanks again for your work on Olympians. I see you've edited a few from the 1928 Summer Olympics to change them to possibly living. Is Clara Marangoni the last surviving Olympian from 1928? Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:24, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
Possibly, but I've yet to see any source, reliable or otherwise, to confirm. I suspect that it might be the case, however, because only the 1924 Summer Games had someone who survived more than 85 after the event. So I'm being safe with the cyclists. Or needlessly pedantic. I forget which. Canadian Paul 21:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Olympic volleyball player[edit]

Hi Paul. Following this post on the Olympic project talkpage, one user stated that Tatyana Veinberga isn't on Sports Reference at all, despite the biography stating she was part of the gold-medal winning team. This page from Olympics.org does list her though. Would you know why she isn't listed on SR? Thanks. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 10:42, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Oops, somehow I missed this before... sorry... anyways, I'm not certain, but I'll ask about it and get back to you. Canadian Paul 21:52, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I looked into it and the answer is that she is listed on the squad and in the Olympic report, but she did not actually take part in any matches. So whether one includes her as a member of the "team" is up to how the site lists non-starters. Sports Reference does not mention them, hence her absence from that site. Not sure what the Wiki policy is, but I'll at least clarify things on her page. Canadian Paul 19:56, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Paul. On a related note, I've now completed biographies for all cyclists from the 1932 to 1956 Olympics. I think they're all in the correct categories for living/possibly living. Cheers. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 18:09, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Yup, I've just finished catching up on all of those; it's great stuff! The only thing I noticed is that Jaroslav Cihlář died back in May 2014. I'm too lazy to look up the cite at the moment, but I'll get to it. Canadian Paul 18:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Excellent work[edit]

Dear Paul, I'd just launch your incredible oldest Olympic list, it's brilliantly referenced, and any false edits will be challenged. I created this and this in a similar vein. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 21:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

For a minute there I was confused, but then I realized that you're talking about this oldest Olympic list rather than this one, haha. Thanks! It's a much nicer reception than I got when I brought it up for discussion at WP:Olympics, that's for sure. Keep up the good work! Canadian Paul 18:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

RE: Alapalooza[edit]

Haha, no worries! I saw the change on my watchlist and took a peek, finding that strange addition. I guess the only thing that matters is it was caught!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 05:03, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject Good articles Future GAN Backlog Drive[edit]

Hello everyone! Hope you've all been having a great summer!

TheQ Editor recently proposed the idea of having another Backlog Drive in either September/October or November/December of this year. For those of you who have participated in the past two drives you know I was the one who organized them, however, come September, this will be my most important year in school so I will not be able to coordinate this drive (if it happens). TheQ Editor has volunteered to be a coordinator for the drive. If any of you would like to co-coordinator, please notify TheQ Editor on his talk page.

If you would be interested in participating in a Backlog Drive sometime before the end of this year, please notify TheQ Editor. Also, make sure to specify what month(s) work best for you.

At the time this message was sent out, the backlog was at 520 nominations. Since May, the backlog has been steadily increasing and we are currently near an all time high. Even though the backlog will not disappear over one drive, this drive can lead to several others which will (hopefully) lead to the day where there is no longer a backlog.

As always, the more participants, the better, and everyone is encouraged to participate!

Sent by Dom497--MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Person who I think should go under year of death missing instead of possibly living[edit]

João Pereira (swimmer), born in 1905-that would make him one of the oldest people ever. I think that maybe he should be removed from there. (I found a few other odd ones on the possibly living section such as a politician who was in the 20s even), I have found some I moved there recently and a few I have found are alive. (One case was someone listed under year of death missing who in fact is alive and well and was even working on films in the 90s) But yes this seems to be a case where it is likely they are dead. (I am just looking up people in this cat for some reason)

Wgolf (talk) 23:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I have removed nearly all the 19th century people out of Possibly living people

So yeah just a few remain, I did add quite a few people as well that were very questionable. (Some of them I doubt are alive, but you never know) It took a while. Still am finding some to add and/or remove from that cat. Anyway, some odd ones I knew couldn't be alive such as one guy that was in WW1 and in the 1920 Olympics. While some people that were listed as living instead of possible living were born as early as 1902! It does get hectic for sure! Well good luck editing!

Wgolf (talk) 21:30, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

And then I just added a bunch more into possibly living-quite a bit of them seem to be Brazilian swimmers who were born in the 1910's that someone added about a year ago (with no info on them for years which it seemed that the one adding them was under the impression that no date of death meant they were alive)

I could show which ones might need a look after... Wgolf (talk) 01:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

All good stuff, thanks. When it comes to Olympians, drop a message on my talk page and I might be able to help, since I have access to a lot of offline resources that can help determine whether or not they are alive. Feel free to leave any names you want me to check on my talk page... I'm off on a month-long research trip soon, so I can't promise that I'll get to them soon, but I will get to them. Canadian Paul 18:28, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks-over the weekend I was finding some that seemed unlikey (one just made me laugh that I knew couldn't possibly be alive when it said something like "Published a book in 1910") And I managed to find some online also. One guy this morning I found was a Australian footballer from the 20s I knew couldn't be alive and found enough proof when I saw his son was born in the 20s and that his son mentioned his fathers passing in a interview. I was trying to find some info about a bunch of film people from the 1940s-1970s recently but some just seemed impossible to be alive but still put as possibly living (Like a guy who worked on the Ten Commandments-probably not alive but no info otherwise) I also figured anyone who was in any sports pre 1925 is likely dead. (to my knowledge only one Olympian from 1928 is alive even) Now here are some people that are listed as living/possibly living that are born before 1915, but have no link to turning 100: Arnulf Solvoll, Marie Luise Bulst-Thiele, Jack O'Reilly, Eleanor Sokoloff, Elizabeth Hartley (Girl Guides), Mordechaï Podchlebnik, William Morton (tenor), Charles Foley (journalist), Israel Zafrir, Miguel Ángel Pantó, Abdul Karim Disu, Pedro Pagés. Most of those are either listed as living or recently were moved from living into possibly living.

Wgolf (talk) 18:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

As it seems unlikely they be alive. Hermine Riss, P. C. Bhattacharya, Allan G.S. Coombs, Lev Borisovich Helfand, Erling Poppe, Floyd E. Shurbert, James Frederick Sangala, Earl W. Warren

People who I am considering: Rita Gorgonowa-she is under missing people, William Thomas (rugby league born c. 1905)-He is listed as possibly born in 1905, but it seems likely he is dead now., Rd Ariffien-likely, can't find a list for this country and Indonesia seems to be famous for having very longevity claims, Luis-Augusto García-this is one that someone might of just put born in the 1900s meaning the 20th century given how they played tennis in the late 60s

Wgolf (talk) 20:02, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Well I just found a bunch of politicians from Wisconsin with no date of death that were under possibly living-which if they were really alive they be the oldest ones ever and would have tons of coverage on them. (Was looking up some political people then and found a bunch from there) Wgolf (talk) 20:27, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Also, if you could please not edit my user pages directly, as the last three entries you added to the Olympic list were inappropriate. As I mentioned above, I have many offline resources that indicate that many people listed as "living" or "possibly living" on Wikipedia are actually deceased, I just don't have Wikipedia-appropriate evidence to prove it. Thanks. Canadian Paul 23:31, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Ha okay sorry[edit]

Well the link had no ref to him dying and I couldn't find any info on the last Swiss one so that was what I was using, well thanks!


Wgolf (talk) 00:24, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Someone who you put as deceased earlier but has since became possibly living[edit]

I just noticed on the history for this one: Sekiji Sasano it is possibly living though you did put deceased. Not sure where to find if they are or not though now. (looks like someone changed it soon after you did) Just wanted to point this out really quick, thanks.

Wgolf (talk) 03:09, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Cup[edit]

Hello everyone! We hope you have all been having a great summer!

As we all know, the recent GAN Backlog Drives have not had any big impact on the backlog. Because of that, me (Dom497), Figureskatingfan, and TheQ Editor have worked on an idea that could possibly finally put a dent into the massive backlog. Now, I will admit, the idea isn't entirely ours as we have took the general idea of the WikiCup and brought it over to WikiProject Good Articles. But anyways, here's what we have in mind:

For all of you that do not know what the WikiCup is, it is an annual competition between several editors to see who can get the most Good Articles, Featured Article's, Did You Know's, etc. Based of this, we propose to you the GA Cup. This competition will only focus on reviewing Good articles.

For more info on the proposal, click here. As a FYI, the proposal page is not what the final product will look like (if you do go ahead with this idea). It will look very similar to WikiCup's page(s).

The discussion for the proposal will take place here. Please let us know if you are interested, have any concerns, things to consider, etc.

--Dom497, Figureskatingfan, and TheQ Editor

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 01:28, 31 August 2014 (UTC)