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- 3 RE: Gravity (film) Scientific Accuracy
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- 5 Snows and hatnotes
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- 7 Gravity
- 8 Camilla Läckberg
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- 11 RE: BOLD
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RE: Gravity (film) Scientific Accuracy
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Snows and hatnotes
In reply to your question posed elsewhere... WP:NAMB explains, perhaps not very clearly, that we don't add a hatnote to an article like The Snows of Kilimanjaro (2011 film) because (in theory) no-one looking for one of the other senses, such as the story, would have got there accidentally. There's a disambiguation page at The Snows of Kilimanjaro (also reachable from Snows of Kilimanjaro by a redirect). This reasoning ignores the likelihood of someone landing on the page for the 2011 film by doing a search in Google etc and picking one of the search results, then realising it's not the story they're looking for, etc. It's been discussed a few times, but for the moment that's the rule: no hatnote on a disambiguated article like this to point to any other usage, or even to the disambiguation page. I hope that helps - I'll be interested to see what sort of reply you get elsewhere! PamD 13:17, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you for helping out. Could you direct me to where "It's been discussed a few times"? I am not questioning your explanation of the NAMB policy, though I cannot see it myself. Perhaps I can understand alternative ways to accomplish the same thing (namely, giving the reader a helpful links to other works of the same name); perhaps the NAMB policy language can be changed to be less abstruse. Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 17:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
- Well, Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote#Fixing_NAMB was fairly recent and gives the flavour of the debates... best avoided, I think.
- Try to think it through: if someone is looking for the short story, how would they have come to the article for the film? If there's no likely route, then there is no need for a hatnote to point to the story, or even the disambiguation page. That's the established argument, and "They might have found it via Google" has never carried much weight.
- What I think is far more important is to make quite sure that every single article which has a title with a disambiguator, like this one, is linked from the base title (in this case The Snows of Kilimanjaro), either because there's a disambiguation page (dab page) at that title, or by a hatnote on the article at that title which either leads to the disambiguated article or to a dab page which includes it. An alarming number of articles don't have those links, so are not easily found - thwarting the reader, and making it likely that another editor will create a duplicated article because they didn't find the first one. This is one of my hobby-horses,and while stub-sorting etc I'm always on the lookout for disambiguated titles which don't have the appropriate access route. (Maybe I'm a stereotypical retired librarian here ...?) PamD 18:41, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
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That was a bit naughty of you: "Bad: not waiting for anyone to have time to participate in the discussion before going ahead to make changes.". Not really, BRD sort of needs a change (and then a change back lol) to get things under way :¬)
P.S. If you did not agree with me, then why would you have reverted my edit? Reverting it means you disagree.
- Hello Chaosdruid. Since you yourself suspect your proposed changes might be contentious, I thought it a good idea to revert you and ask you to hold off changing the article until such time you have achieved consensus on the talk page. I would like to thank you for letting this process continue.
Okay then, to move the discussion forward, I must confess I am confused.
To me, it appears you back up your proposed changes in wildly varying ways. First you talk about WP:FILMLEAD, then that it's down to "produced by". You also involve other editors, as well as a lot of spurious facts.
I'm no expert on film articles, but I would think WP:FILMLEAD is clear enough - the nationality of production companies are not relevant for the film lead; the attribution from reliable sources is, and most importantly, if the film's nationality is singularly defined. (My emphasis).
In other words, please show us that sources agree the movie is "singularly" British and I suspect your proposed edits will go through without any more discussion. :-)
However, I suspect you will find that sources (please remember you can't pick sources and specifically that you will need to include major US ones) can't agree on the film's nationality. In this case we should follow WP:FILMLEAD: "If the nationality is not singular, cover the different national interests later in the lead section." Here it's important to remember if enough sources define the film as American, then that attribution should remain as part of that later coverage.
This also means that I would like to ask you a favor. Please consider stopping your usage of what I can only label as irrelevant or misleading facts (such as what the director thinks, the highly selective findings of a random Wikipedia editor, or where various production companies are based), at least until you can show us those facts are indeed relevant to Wikipedia policies.
I could be wrong, and if so, you have my apologies.
- There is nothing spurious. You may need to re-read. As for your comments on what you consider "irrelevant" and "misleading", I suggest you adopt a less judgemental attitude. What the director thinks the film is is very relevant to me, just not to you. Chaosdruid (talk) 16:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Camilla Läckberg is fervent propagandist of a lesbian relationship and a non-European immigrants at Sweden. It's as fact as she is a Swedish crime writer. (Gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender literature. Classical and medieval literature. Poetry. Camilla Läckberg).220.127.116.11 (talk) 05:53, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- : You are right always. Everybody is a stupid but not you. Only you know everything about everything including Camilla Läckberg. But she still is fervent propagandist of a lesbian relationship and a non-European immigrants at Sweden. So do you?18.104.22.168 (talk) 12:04, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
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My friend, I did do that and someone (Corvoe) reverted it. I had to personally go to their talk page and get them to post a message on the talk page explaining their thoughts.--Valkyrie Red (talk) 15:52, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
- @Valkyrie Red: Well, I still feel you're not quite calibrated for Wikipedia if you somehow feel wronged you "had to" talk to your fellow contributors in order to get their opinions... Plus, try to avoid engaging the person when you could argue against an opinion. Being reverted simply means someone dislike your edit, not that they dislike you. *insert smiley here*
- Personally, I often explain/motivate my edits on the talk page - this all but forces other parties to respond, since if they nullify your edits without participating there, they're made to appear as if disregarding core practices of building consensus.
- By taking the discussion to an editor's talk page, you often make things much more personal than necessary. Just a friendly hint! :) Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 16:33, 6 July 2014 (UTC)