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Hello, Carrite, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions, especially what you did for Morris Hillquit. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Marek.69 talk 20:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Happy thoughts[edit]

Not alone[edit]

Thank you. Good to know I'm not alone in that view. Antandrus (talk) 17:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

That made me a grouchy Santa. Carrite (talk) 18:01, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

the Bad Site[edit]

Saw your comment on FAs at WR: "I've submitted none of my articles to the A/GA/FA process and I never will. When I'm done, it's a B -- and it's perfectly......................... satisfactory.".

Same here. I think Fishery Protection Squadron is my best one, but I can't be bothered to put it forward for GA and go through all the nonsense with the manual of style and dashes in the right place. It teaches people, and that's good enough for me. The Cavalry (Message me) 00:58, 29 November 2011 (UTC)


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Came here via my watchlist, which I have seen you on frequently. You have expanded quite a few of my stubs. Thanks for that! Reading your talk page you also appear to be doing a lot of other work I approve of, so cheers :) jorgenev (t|c|s) 07:29, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Hey there[edit]

I do know that you have clear views on administration. At the same time, in one perspective of mine, there might be no harm in giving mature editors like you additional tools that they may utilize in times of need to improve the project; and may not utilize when they are editing. Of course, my view may be gravely incorrect. But there's no harm in asking you - would you up for adminship? It'll be a privilege to nominate you. Kind regards. Wifione Message 18:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Summary of reply: "Thanks, but no thanks." Carrite (talk)

Silk Purse Award[edit]

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I am both pleased and honored to present you with the Silk Purse Award in appreciation for your improvements to the Cynthia Basinet article, essentially changing what was seen as a sow's ear into a terrific silk purse. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 23:38, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to say hello Thanks and Happy New Year.[edit]

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I see you are still encouraging new editors and you are helping anyone who asks you to in a mature and objective way. Just wanted to say I have never forgot how you help me in the first few weeks when I wanted to throw a computer monitor out of the window at times. You are the best wishing you a great 2012 It is always reassuring to new editors that you are here JoeyD2010 (talk) 08:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Sadly, too few disputes here seem to be independently resolved well. Your actions at an AfD are deeply appreciated and deserve recognition. VQuakr (talk) 00:32, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your special work to help build the place where neutral should be keep! Farewellmyfriend (talk) 02:05, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar[edit]

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Tim, this is just the second barnstar I've ever presented. You and I haven't chatted much in recent months, but every time I see your work here, I am impressed and gladdened that an editor such as you is active here. I took this photo in Petaluma, California, home town of my father-in-law, and also home of Jewish socialist chicken ranchers 100 years ago. That's the milieu he grew up in. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
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For your excellent detective work in finding solid sources for Donald Duncan. Thanks for your hard work! I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 21:22, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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Thanks for your sensible comments at Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_Signpost/2012-10-01/Paid_editing.

Bearian (talk) 20:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)


It is another moment of integrity, one in a long list, where the principal, principled defenders of free speech and critics of harassment of conservatives are leftists, notably you (Carrite). Well done! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 11:43, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For being level headed, helpful and polite wrt Sally Season Sædontalk 00:48, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

About zombies[edit]

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For this. Made me chuckle. Good work! xanchester (t) 09:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Just the right words[edit]

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For giving it the whoopty fuckin' doo on the Lynette Nusbacher AFD NetNus (talk) 23:28, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

A cup of tea for you![edit]

Meissen-teacup pinkrose01.jpg For making me smile at the end of a long day. Evanh2008 (talk|contribs) 11:10, 5 February 2013 (UTC)


I left a more detailed comment at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )/Proposed decision#General thanks to the parties & participants, but I wanted to thank you and the other parties to the arbitration case for your excellent conduct throughout the process. You should also know that the case is due to close in a few hours (about midnight UTC at the earliest). Hersfold non-admin(t/a/c) 17:21, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

I misjudged you[edit]

You would make a great administrator.

Hypothetically speaking, I mean. Obviously it's not for everyone. Kurtis (talk) 20:10, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice words. We are indeed dealing with hypotheticals here, as I have no interest in the buttons. Happy editing. Carrite (talk) 20:23, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
I know that, which is precisely why I used the term "hypothetically speaking". :-) Kurtis (talk) 14:17, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for creating the new Victor Kamkin Bookstore article, and for all of your work to improve Wikipedia! Northamerica1000(talk) 05:07, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For this comment. Bearian (talk) 17:28, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your kind words here. Bearian (talk) 20:20, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Passing comment[edit]

Beautifully said. Really. I wish everyone on the project would read that, especially the long-time contributors, the more burnt-out ones. Antandrus (talk) 03:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I appreciate it very much, you're one of my Wikipedia heroes. Best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 04:21, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]

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For making me laugh today. I loved the Timbo rule about IP editors being dressed moose at hunting season time. FYI you have two rule #6.

...William 00:38, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

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For keeping up the spirit of collegiality and not allowing differences over policy to become personal. Coretheapple (talk) 18:00, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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"It's a mix of grey hats and black hats currently. We all agree that the black hats need to become grey hats pronto or to wind up at Boot Hill. Yee haw. WMF is trying to eliminate both grey hats and black hats by banning headgear. That won't make spottin' the bad guys any easier, pardner! Carrite (talk) 16:04, 4 June 2014 (UTC)"

Whoop-ee-ti-yi-ow git along little dogies! (Gandy yodels a soothing tune to the herd as she rounds um up and heads um out.) Gandydancer (talk) 17:30, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

You Have Mail...[edit]

Civility Specialist II[edit]

Tell me you are joking! This sounds like a really bad dystopian film. Viriditas (talk) 10:06, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Just trying to keep an open mind... Carrite (talk) 14:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Carrite, I just want to let you know how much I appreciate your great sense of humor. We need more of that around here. Viriditas (talk) 00:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


I assumed you were being ironic here, as I'm British. But I often get that wrong with Americans and assume they are being ironic when they're not. If you were being ironic, can you explain why please. DeCausa (talk) 12:53, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the message - I'm glad you see it that way too. DeCausa (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Recent AfD[edit]

Hey, Carrite. I hope this AfD merge result turned out better than you anticipated: Florida Gators football#Ring of Honor. Let me know what you think. I'm still tightening the text in the particular section, but there's also a huge job to purge a lot of the cruft that the article has accumulated as a whole over the years. Too many young editors think these articles should be a repository of every detail of the current season, and it inevitably creates an unsourced mess in search of an editor. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 17:30, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Dirtlawyer1 - You're good. Hmmm, I wonder if there should be two different levels of content people at Wikipedia: "Contributors" and "Editors." You're an Editor. (You're right about drive-by newbies dumping in cruft, that is a tendency for "big" topics over time...) best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 17:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Media Viewer RfC draft principles & findings[edit]

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Interim reply[edit]

Hi, I'm away from home with limited internet access this week. I'll email you when I return, on the weekend. Tony (talk) 10:40, 5 August 2014 (UTC)


I suggest you copy and preserve the various links for article improvement. Either off-wiki or in your sandbox. My feeling is the article will be AFD'd, but building a new one that will pass muster would be helpful. In the meantime, McCullough's experience with WP can provide "experience" or background for new poetry. Something like "How do I love Wikipedia? Let me count the edits...." – S. Rich (talk) 15:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Orange Mike got this one wrong. I usually hate working on pieces that are bogged in bitter AfD debates — not wanting to flush three hours of work if it ends Delete — but I might just make an exception here. This strikes me as one of those cases that Wikipedia a a project really needs to get right. Carrite (talk) 15:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi, I have learned a lot about Wikipedia in the last 24 hours, and I appreciate note. It will work out however it works out. I'm not going to sweat it. Thank you. (talk) 21:03, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


[1]. "Children are very time-intensive pets, as anyone who has spent time around them and their owners knows". You know, that could have been quite funny if you'd done it right. Instead it makes you look like a massive fucking cock. Just saying. Pedro :  Chat  20:33, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

I thought it was pretty funny. I invite you to now kindly keep off of my talk page as part of my Zero Tolerance for Harassment by Imbeciles™ policy... PING!!! Pedro Carrite (talk) 20:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
More than a pleasure Carrite. I don't try to deal with the fuckwits on here if I can, but in this instance I thought I'd make an exception - once and only once. Cheers. Pedro :  Chat  20:42, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I've taken the liberty of rolling back your attempt to sweep your nastiness under the rug. BTW, I see that you're an administrator... It is nice to see someone of your obvious intelligence and sound decision-making ability making good like that... Carrite (talk) 20:45, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Is this real life? An admin calling someone a "massive fucking cock" and "fuckwit"? I love it. BTW, the answer to the underlying debate where Carrite posted his funny comment: get women pre-children, just like most male editors are. I had coke coming out my nose laughing about billboards recruiting empty-nester moms. "Feel lonely now that all the kids are gone? Why not try EDITING WIKIPEDIA! You'll feel like a mom all over again, except you have no control at all over these fuckwits! You can't even ground them, in fact they'll probably ground you!" And commercials of older women coming off the tennis court (as they inevitably do in predatory drug commercials) and saying "thanks for the game, marge, but its time for me to to do new page patrol! What's that betsy? Well its the most fun I've had since my episiotomy!"--Milowenthasspoken 21:17, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Retired schoolteachers and professors. Carrite (talk) 23:08, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
Carrite, I'm a big supporter of your proposal. How about formalizing it in some way? Viriditas (talk) 02:19, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Disruptive Harassment by Admin. Thank you. Monty845 23:21, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Well deserved barnstar[edit]

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For your usual outstanding work on Laura McCullough. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:05, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Indeed, well deserved. The AFD was closed just now with an obvious Keep. – S. Rich (talk) 17:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

hello and thank you[edit]

Dear carrite, Please forgive me if I mis-step here, but I am overwhelmed and humbled at the work you did on fleshing out (oh, what a wrong metaphor that is in this context!) the wiki persona on me. I'd stepped away, having realized enough about what I don't know to see I shouldn't mess with anything, and learned enough to appreciate a kind of vital, but messy elegance to edge of the hive mind process that Wiki is, but I have been getting many messages and emails, and this morning, someone told me that you and some others had done this and that I should go look. This person also said you were a tireless defender of virtual integrity, and that they had full faith in you, and had worked with you on many controversies, and I see on your page all kinds of stars and what appear to be thanks and at-a-boys from people who understand this landscape and appreciate things you have done. So I want to say thank you, a well. I'm pretty astonished at what I have learned, and most certainly will be writing about this. It's a kind of landscape, I see, and it's one lens into human dynamics and systems. I am also bemused about the persona of me that is developing on the Wiki page. How the flotsam and jetsam of a person's life, work, scholarship on the ocean of the virtual world can be coalesced, and what it begins to look like. I am sure I will think about this a long while and also write about it.

Also, I am interested in the handshake between "authority control" and the more mutable, changeling process of Wiki.

And also, the page itself may yield some great poem prompts, even titles.

Okay, so I also need to ask something: what if I have seen a couple inexactitudes or omissions, that in my world, would be glaring (like awards that are more "significant (nothing is significant in poetry in the US!!, the subject of a couple of my poems in my most recent book, actually)" than ones you generously mentioned, and so should, or that I still teach at Ramapo, etc. I have a list that I will stick in here, with faith that if you think they are relevant--and assuming you are willing to dedicate more time to what I can only imagine was hours of work on this--you might adjust or add, or if you see me mentioning things that still reflect my non-understanding of the whole thing, that you'll simply ignore them.

Either way, thank you so much. Truly. I'd figured it didn't matter if the page got deleted, but now that I see it today, with all the work others, and apparently mostly you, I hope it is not deleted (though I also don't think I merit such a page, unless we were to agree that as the internet is going, that all of us might have such thorough pages someday [although that raises a whole philosophical concern. Who would want everything they ever said or did linked to a page? What would that mean if the age of surveillance became the age of archived living?]) because people have done so much for it.

Thank you, Laura --What Men Want also derives its title in reaction to Freud’s famous, quote about What does a woman want?

--I still teach at Ramapo College (I taught there all last year and likely will teach a class for them once in a while going forward).

--Panic is the most literarily “noted” of my poetry books, winning the Kinereth Genseler Award from Alice James Books, and was also a Forward BOTYA finalist.

--The new anthology with U of Georgia Press is up and in the catalog system:

I’m guessing you don’t want that up yet—trying to understand how this works—until there are reviews or comments about it, is that right? Both anthologies, the one on Dunn and the one on race, would be considered scholarly contributions or probably criticism rather than “chapbooks and other…” as chapbooks tend to be small projects of one’s own work, and the anthologies are years long projects (the Dunn one took over 6 years from inception to publication), editorial conception, solicitation, working with contributors, editing and shaping their ideas and writing, curating the assemblage, working with the press, indexing, etc.

--Among a number of themes in my work—you correctly identify gender and masculinity for example, but linguistics itself (Speech Acts), the hybrid border between poetry and prose, and also ecopoetics is there, too: there are many poems in which the ocean or marine life figure in. And, too, the class issues of the Jersey shore.

--I also wrote an essay on mirror neurons, poetics, and Shelley, which is out there somewhere, and I’ve written a number of long reviews on poets and writers such as Stephen Dunn, Tony Hoagland, Bob Hicok, and Andre Dubus III. Again, outn there somewhere.

--Influences: Stephen Dunn, Pulitzer Prize winning poet, was my mentor, and has become a lifelong friend.

--Teaching: I’ve taught for over ten years in the Peter Murphy Winter Poetry and Prose Getaway Conference, Seaview Resort and hotel, The Richard Stockton College. In Jersey and maybe the east coast in general, Peter is seen a poetry activist (and writer) who does a lot for the poetry community.

--One last note, my website is

--Oh, and if I had my druthers—and this may be weird—but if there is a Jersey Shore category, that’s where I belong. I have lived along it my whole life, in south Jersey shore towns and now in central Jersey shore towns, and they figure into many of my poems. Panic, for example, has ALL of the poems located in different Jersey shore towns up and down the coast: WildWood, Ocean City, LBI, Red Bank, Asbury Park, Sea Bright. And my newest ms, under consideration with my publisher now, called Jersey Mercy, will have a lot of Hurricane Sandy related poems because I live 5 miles in from the water in one of the hardest hit Jersey areas.

Lmccullough (talk) 14:54, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

HI and one more note[edit]

Carrite, I just now went in and looked at the discussion about the deletion, the keeps vs deleted, and how that process went is going. I'm further amazed. And I can see you have been not just a major player, but the chief fixer and champion of my page, which does bleed into championing someone's relevance as an artist, and though I know you didn't do it for me personally, and are acting from your own sense of what is appropriate, I still feel compelled to thank you again. You noted at one point you were going to work on your deck a while, and that puts things in such context, how the virtual world and the physical one sidle up next to each other, and I wonder what the wrack line is there (well, I suppose that's where I was walking!), but you took the time to a huge amount of research on me, and thank you. Thank you. Hope the deck is coming along. We've been ripping and tearing our kitchen (my husband is a poet/writer, as well) ourselves, and doing it together has been interesting. It's another thing we actually have no expertise in though, but no one but us will complain!!

Laura Lmccullough (talk) 15:06, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lmccullough — Hi Laura! I usually reply on people's pages but I think I'll keep this one on my own page to keep things together, particularly since the very high profile deletion debate about your page is still ongoing. Wikipedia is an interesting thing behind the scenes, is it not? Your deletion debate has been a perfect storm of about three factors: (1) the ongoing, heated debate about "Conflict of Interest" editing and your easily identifiable user name, which is what got the page nominated for deletion in the first place; (2) an intense and heated debate over the causes and effects of Wikipedia's enormous gender gap, which your piece got sucked into when you intimated that you had been singled out for reasons of your gender; (3) a fury which broke out when you (unknowingly) broke a cardinal rule of Wikipedia and "canvassed" supporters to come weigh in on the debate via Facebook. A typical deletion debate on a page such as yours would probably have about 5 people weighing in. Yours might end up with 10 times that when the smoke clears... It is important to emphasize that it is not a "vote" over whether to keep the page, it's a debate over whether the subject (you) passes muster for inclusion by the standards of the site's lengthy collection of guidelines about such things.
I'd also like to reaffirm what one or two people have passed along to you: the deletion nomination is not about gender, but rather about Conflict of Interest editing — the nominator being both a humane and progressive person politically and one of WP's most vehement, hardline opponents of COI editing. The issue of what a person can and should do to a page with which they have a direct interest, such as a biography, is controversial. I think everyone pretty much agrees that if there is vandalism, one should not hesitate for even one second to remove that. Simple, basic facts that are wrong can also be changed out uncontroversially. Beyond that, things get sticky. It's always best to have someone not directly connected with you make substantial amendments. Please save my email address ( and drop me a line if there are substantial amendments you seek or you may leave a note for me on this page.
Poets are difficult to "defend" in a deletion challenge; the fact that you have been interviewed so many times, in conjunction with the number of books you have published and the reviews written about them have been enough to "pass" Wikipedia's notability guidelines, in my opinion. It seems that is the emerging consensus. Interestingly, the very hardest defenses are those for career journalists, since their biographies are very rarely covered by competing news organizations and Wikipedia does not have any "Special Notability Guidelines" to serve as a reasonable metric for their inclusion. Poets, I have just learned, are also hard, owing to the fact that the journals and internet sources that write about them are small and comparatively unknown.
I would like to get a photo up to help illustrate the piece. If you could have one of your sons take a picture of you and then have him get in touch with me on this page, I can coach him through the very easy process of uploading it. If you think Wikipedia's deletion process for articles is confusing and draconian, just avert your eyes from the photo deletion process, which is about twice as summary and brutal. An upload by the photographer with the correct license selected is simple, however — as long as it is by the photographer and the correct license is selected!
Anyway, thank you very much for writing. Please do drop me an email and we can speak more frankly — these User Talk pages have many, many sets of eyes reading them, not all of whom are friendly (as you can probably see from the rude fellow that unloaded on me yesterday!) Moreover, I'd like to encourage you yourself to contribute to WP. For example, Stephen Dunn needs remedial attention, it would seem, and I can walk you through the footnoting process if you find that daunting. (Wikipedia's editing software is terrible; the only thing worse is the new editing software they are working on!) I can also guide you through the esoteric culture of WP, which can put newcomers off if they inadvertently step on a couple landmines... Poetry as a field is probably in need of a great deal of work on Wikipedia and I suspect you have access to excellent source materials. We do need experts as editors around here. In any event, best wishes to you! —Tim Davenport, Corvallis, OR /// Carrite (talk) 15:46, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Timbo, I am the editor she alluded to above. Laura, I too will help improve your article as time goes by. Just ask. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 16:29, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

RFC at Wikipedia for page protection[edit]

Last call for opinions on RFC at Wikipedia page for page protection extension. User:Pundit is in support of increasing gender equality at Wikipedia and another user is opposed to User:Pundit's efforts. Cheers. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 16:30, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Carrite, For your suggestion on Talk:Wikipedia, I did make this report for possible ANI on Talk:Eustress. Could you glance at this. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 13:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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the "thank"[edit]

gave me a little chuckle - it's -> its. I rarely do that myself; but last night was writing a letter and found myself doing it; probably from seeing it so much of late.Skookum1 (talk) 01:43, 13 August 2014 (UTC)


No, your comments at the afd were entirely within reason, and didnt accuse me of anything untoward. i dont mind being wrong, or even proposing a deletion without myself doing all the hard work to prove notability. . thanks for caring. this is the first time someone (again, not you in the slightest) has directly accused me of a pattern of irresponsible editing, and its just really weird. i had someone else ignore my reasonable request to include some articles in the scope a wikiproject, and that person turned me off WP for about 2 weeks. I dont do social media, and when this becomes like social media, where people can comment on others editing w/o any fear of personal contact, and become more bold in making ungrounded accusations, its toxic to me.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 02:41, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you can load him locally[edit]

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Common courtesy[edit]

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I don't have any interest in confirming or denying or discussing my off-wiki comments here. Bring it up there. best, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 20:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
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To express things a different way: I have no interest in being baited into a dialog with you on-wiki about my off-wiki comments. Talk to Zoloft, I'm 99.67% sure that the "ban" can be removed. Carrite (talk) 20:22, 27 August 2014 (UTC)


Seeing your edits to Horace. I'm planning to embark on one of my patented rewrites in the next few weeks. If you are interested in being involved, I'm certainly open to that.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:26, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

And I'm greatly flattered to see myself quoted at the top of your userpage!--Wehwalt (talk) 00:27, 30 August 2014 (UTC)


You may be interested in this conversation: [2], [3] [4] [5]. Best, Andreas JN466 02:17, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

To Flow or not to Flow[edit]

Document mode (c2:DocumentMode) or structured comment mode (c2:ThreadMode) – All else flows from there.

Finally, a sign of the conversation backing down to the level it should be at – that's the level it needs to be at to bring me up to speed!

But, this is not the full picture of Wikipedia editor discussions! Top be complete, we need to look at:

  1. Document mode
  2. Structured comment mode
  3. Email mode
  4. Chat mode

I note that this conversation started in mode #3, and I am as yet unaware of any responses or followup in that channel.

c2:, the Content Creation Wiki, seems to be a much earlier, and probably less dysfunctional, version of offwiki: (I suppose that if that were added to the m:Interwiki map, then it wouldn't be offwiki any more, would it?) – Regards, Wbm1058 (talk) 14:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Charles Fourier[edit]

I only respond to other users in the particular articles themselves that they are talking to me about. Take this discussion it to the "Charles fourier" article talk section and we can definitely work on improving that article there.--Eduen (talk) 20:13, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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Ironic that the same website that is pitching me to contribute content on gay art is the same website that has just trashed one of my photos of some Dickies records on a specious copyright basis. Carrite (talk) 16:01, 4 September 2014 (UTC)


OK, we get it, you don't think anonymous editing editing is a good idea. Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong -- I don't know and neither do you, and in all likelihood it's some of each -- but do you have to keep harping on this? You don't think our banning policy can work because anybody can make a new account or edit as an IP -- we get it. We're all really, really clear on how you feel about this. OK? Just wanted you to know that we're just super clear on your feelings about that. Can you maybe get a new hobbyhorse or something? Herostratus (talk) 06:35, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Hey, as long as people spend time and words on those nasty banned editors sneaking back, sock puppetry, vandalism, vote fraud in elections, discussion stacking at AfD, skewed lynch moba at ANI ad intinitum, I'm gonna keep harping on the fact that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE PROBLEMS is a direct result of Wikipedia's mistaken lack of registration protocols and the cult of anonymity. best, —Tim //// Carrite (talk) 14:28, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not aware that the community has discussed banning IP edits altogether. Ground zero for the issue has been WP:Pending changes, which would review all anonymous edits. For relevant discussions:
I believe that at one point the WMF did overrule the community's desire for more widespread implementation of PC.
See Wikipedia:Reviewing for more information. I haven't bothered to ask for reviewer privileges because there are not that many pages where this protection level has been implemented. One example I follow is Pittsburgh Steelers. Best, Wbm1058 (talk) 16:37, 8 September 2014 (UTC)


Since you voted for Single-party socialist state at Talk:South Yemen I think this discussion would be of interest to you. Just read the last 3-4 posts and you'll get the gists. --TIAYN (talk) 13:05, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

For you[edit]

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A pie for you![edit]

A very beautiful Nectarine Pie.jpg They love a good pie at Germantown High School (Mississippi). Bearian (talk) 19:11, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

The Blast (magazine)[edit]

Thanks for expanding the article. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 14:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

I had a blast. Carrite (talk) 15:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Help with Michael and Marisa Deleted Page[edit]

I'm very sorry to bother you, but can you possibly help me regarding the deletion of the Michael and Marisa page? I responded the following to Free Range Frog, but I think it would help if an experienced and unbiased wikipedia user could explain why the page is viable or communicate with him on behalf of the page staying. Sorry for the length of this....Many many thanks!!!

MIchael and Marisa deletion[edit] I respectfully want to ask you to back up some of the comments you made that lead to the deletion of Michael and Marisa's page. Can you back up your comments that say they are in the same place they were five years ago? That is absolutely not the case. Can you respect a sixteen and seventeen year old who have been offered record deals but have decided to stay in school? They are full time high school students with another full time job being a music duo in which they have been extremely successful. They are in it for the long haul and are not a greedy flash in the pan effort. They spent the last two and a half years writing and recording 25 new songs and are about to release a full CD. They play drums, guitar, keyboards, bass guitar, and ukelele and they sing. Michael took a course in the production language Logic at Berklee College of Music so that he would be able to record in Boston and send files to the producer in Los Angeles to be most efficient and cost effective. You probably noticed that their songs on ""environmental issues, and anti-bulllying"" have received national attention from CNN, AOL Kids, Parents Magazine, PBS Kids and many more. Other artists "disappear" for two years to write an album, why not Michael and Marisa? They didn't disappear and did some shows while writing, just not as many and they remained spokespeople for PACER Teens against Bullying throughout. They continue to write songs with an eye toward making life better for their teen peers. They dress appropriately and are very respectful in what they do. I would think you would commend them for all of their efforts and successes. You mention the 8,000 or so subscribers on their youtube channel, but you don't mention the 2,250,000 hits on the channel. They play some covers, but there are also originals on the site. The reason there aren't more originals on the site is that the record labels do not want them out in the world until they do the promoting. Many successful artists post covers like that such as Rixton, Timeflies even Bieber started that way. Once an original song is posted, the record labels can't use it any more. You do see that "The Same" and "You Feel Like Saturday" have over 650,000 hits on them and those two are originals. We recently took some originals down at the request of the record labels so that they can release them through their channels. The comment made right above yours is absolutely correct and lists why the page should be kept alive. You can see Michael and Marisa is posted on some of your wikipedia pages like Bamboozle, and the Waiting 4 U tour pages. Now on those pages the links lead nowhere. People are curious who the acts are who played at these events. I promise you that Michael and Marisa have done a lot in the last five years, but drop out of school to run to be rock stars is not their style. Marisa is applying to college now and both Michael and Marisa's first desire is to be role models for other teens by speaking to them through their music. Even when 5,000+ people line up to meet them after a show, they stay and sign cards and post for photos with every single one of them so as not to let them down. Please excuse the mistakes made in editing, posting and trying to update the article as well as comments posted on the deletion page. Posting on Wikipedia is very tricky for the novice and Michael and Marisa should not be penalized because of adults who do such things as google how to post correctly and then get reprimanded for trying to do things correctly. I am a rule follower and googled who knows how to edit Wikipedia so that I would not make further errors posting. I did not pay anyone anything by the way, I just emailed a question and posted the response so that all would be above board and honest. I wanted to show the recommended way to rectify the problem and that I was following the recommendation. I couldn't even sign entries correctly because I couldn't find the squiggle to make the four squiggles needed before a signature. Now our page is deleted. The artist is very deserving of the page and that is very clear from their monumental accomplishments. Would you recommend and take steps for the page be reinstated? Would you research further the work they have done with A Beautiful Live Foundation? Did you know that they are working with that organization to stream live concerts into all Chilrden's Hospital's across the U.S.? Please call me so that I can further answer your questions and comments. I mean this in a very respectful way and I hope that you will take over this situation and repair the damage that has been done. Do you think that they deserve to have people google their name and then see as the second listing a deleted wikipedia page? They earned the privilege of having the page and it's just not right that it has been deleted. Thanks for taking the time to read this and if necessary research further. If it is helpful, I can send you a list of the 300 shows they have done nationwide at recognized events and venues. I can send you the Bamboozle footage or any other footage so you can see crowds in the thousands. I can't disclose what is in the pipeline, but I can certainly have the page updated to include the last few years if it is put back up. Respectfully, ≈≈≈≈Janet 617-543-3264 (figured out the squiggle) My email is — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:53, 24 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk)

WikiProject Mississippi[edit]

Hey, welcome! Magnolia677 (talk) 23:17, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

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Moved here from your userpage[edit]

Thank you for your comment in favor of keeping the Michael and Marisa page. It feels like there are a couple of strong voices who want the page deleted for some reason. I think that additional fresh eyes to review the situation would help to keep the page and was hoping that the discussion forum would include more participants. It is also unclear to me what is lacking since the page clearly meets all of the criteria and protocol was followed as much as some of the comments suggest otherwise. Tuesday536 (talk) 20:35, 29 September 2014 (UTC)Tuesday536

Hiding under Zoloft's skirt?[edit]

Still criticizing me from a venue in which I cannot respond, I see. Courage under fire. Tarc (talk) 12:17, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Wonderful of you to visit this page again. Maybe you can help our friends at ArbCom with their decision-making... Carrite (talk) 13:08, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

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Mississippi project[edit]

Please see my comments on my talk page. Magnolia677 (talk) 12:19, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

40px - experiment Carrite (talk) 12:37, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

"Have your trademark, just don't forget to pay the toll of my support at RFA."[edit]

I'm curious: are you trying to act a tough guy and scare us all, or are you truly concerned for the state of the wiki should there be an admin with no userpage...? – Juliancolton | Talk 16:54, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Juliancolton -Presumably I have explained my very real concerns about the lack of a talk link. The obstinate refusal to launch a user page when one was very strongly suggested to him by a nominator indicates his personal sense of priorities — style over substance. One might argue that with 15% of contributions to mainspace, this is to be expected. I don't give a fuck about being a "tough guy" or trying to "scare" anonymous weenies with sensitive dispositions, but I do give a fuck about potentially bad administrators being voted in because RFA has had a dearth of candidates for the last six weeks. I'm not seeing what I need to see in this candidate. That's all. Carrite (talk) 17:10, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Why the hostility? I have no interest in changing your mind, but I do hate to see a valuable contributor (by most standards, anyhow) scorned for personal preferences on userpages. It is unfathomable to me that you can judge the career of a prospective admin as "bad" because they pipe their sig to their talk page instead of a colorful userpage that says nothing you can't determine yourself in two minutes' research. Perhaps you're having a bad day? – Juliancolton | Talk 17:19, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
"Why the hostility?" Why are you here chipping at me??? I see from your User Page that you're a Commons Administrator. Nice. (See how useful those pages are?) Carrite (talk) 17:21, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
You don't like Commons? – Juliancolton | Talk 18:05, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
It's probably why I'm so grumpy today, I've been dealing with those vindictive shits — although, to be frank, it was pretty swell being issued my "One And Only Warning" about trolling by none other than Russavia... Anyway, yeah, sorry that I'm so negative on your pal at RFA, but I'm pretty set on that reading of the tea leaves. Carrite (talk) 18:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't think I've ever directly interacted with GamerPro64, but that's beside the point I suppose. I'd just like to see RfA run on a more matter-of-fact basis without too much animosity.

As for your Commons issues, let me know if I can be of any assistance—within reason, of course! I've neglected to edit there much as of late, but perhaps a somewhat new perspective can be of use. – Juliancolton | Talk 18:24, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Precious again[edit]

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Thank you, Tim, for quality articles such as Union of Russian Workers, for a wealth of political biographies, for surviving RfA, for "NPOV ... simply requires that one be fair and proportionate to all sides of a debate and dispassionate in the delivery", for "Infoboxes, if small and concise, can add value to a page" , for collecting happy thoughts, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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A year ago, you were the 627th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, and I liked the concise infobox you added today ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

I am warming up both to info boxes and to lengthy summary leads (both of which I disliked in the past). The former is harvested by Google for their own little info boxes that people get when they search for information and the latter is what people actually see when they pull up an article via mobile. Carrite (talk) 14:12, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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Discuss this


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Question about the ARB page[edit]

Thank you for posting that section about gender identity politics. I was working on something like that, but you managed to say it with a bit more eloquence. I assume you have done one of these things before. Are responses to "evidence" counted against the 1000 word limit?Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 20:34, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

I don't think you're supposed to respond to evidence in the evidence section. You state your case. There is room for debate on the talk page. During the "workshop" phase is when the debate really begins. Then there is a proposed decision phase with more debate. Then ArbCom ends up doing whatever the hell they wanted to do in the first place... Carrite (talk) 01:39, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
OK, because I glanced over CMDC'S "evidence". It's so full of misrepresentations it borders on heresy. Do arbs usually see through such submissions? I must say that sometimes I see a complaint at ANI and it seems reasonable, but others quickly figure out the truth of the matter. I don't want to waste my or the arbs time making an unneeded rebuttal. Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 03:12, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
It is always good to rebut. The Arbs will have a predisposition to side with the GGTF regulars and against those whom they perceive as "trolling" the talk page there. The problem is, of course, that probably four of the five biggest instigators were GGTF regulars — no names needed. Sitush and Corbett are collateral damage. You should definitely make a positive statement about what you felt was going on wrong there (with diffs) and to explain your own behavior. Once they take on a case ArbCom usually comes down with the hammer on someone. You're apt to be banned off all feminist topics, loosely defined, or perhaps worse than that, meaning a 6 month or 1 year ban, unless that you can show that you were acting in good faith to fight some wrong going on there... (Your user name will be held against you, by the way, so you might think about changing that for something less sexual. It's a little late in the day for that, but it still wouldn't hurt.) Carrite (talk) 03:20, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Over a year no one has complained about my name except those two, who since they couldn't respond to my arguments made ad hominem attacks. FWIW my name is a play off of a Chinese menu naming scheme. And I do love the pig. Its quite a tasty animal. And very versatile. And let's not get started on Bacon. I'm not going to change my name because the thought police seeks peuerility around every corner. Did ya hear about the mother who dressed her daughters in pink so she got a vanity plate "2INPINK" and the DMV took it away because of the Shocker? I'm not going to tell people how to live. They can return the favor and not tell me how to think.Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 03:43, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
And edit summaries like this are really stupid for someone in your position. Stop using that word at once and for good. Shit like that is what is going to get you banned. Carrite (talk) 03:29, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Obviously you've never had to deal with Comcast. :( Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 03:43, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, you are mistaken. Carrite (talk) 03:46, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Well let me share a hint with you my friend. Every cable company in the USA has to obtain a franchise license from the local municipality. Every single one of them has a complaint threshold that when exceeded, they get massive fines. But the complaint has to be lodged with your local government. Most people don't know that. My jurisdiction has an online complaint form, and every single time I have an issue I don't even bother calling Comcast and file a complaint. I get a call within 24 hours from the executive response team and they run through the hoops to get the problem resolved to close the complaint. It sure beats waiting on hold for hours at a time and being transferred from department to department.Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 05:40, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Two_kinds_of_pork, you took perfectly good advice from Carrite on a matter of great importance and beneficial to you as a Wikipedia editor, and blew it off with a diversion to a consumer complaint about a cable TV company. That is not a good sign, in my opinion. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
I gave a fellow editor who no doubt has suffered the red tape of that behemoth some helpful advice and you call it a diversion? No good deed goes unsnarked.Two kinds of porkMakin'Bacon 06:02, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
You think Carrite's talk page is for consumer advice? Yeah, right. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:08, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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This. So much this.[edit]

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Finally, someone who understands...[edit]

Will you give me permission to post onto your talk page? - #GemSiduri — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:38, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

No, you need to go do your thing elsewhere on the internet. This isn't the place for that sort of advocacy. best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 02:20, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


Hello, Carrite. I noticed your comments on Bencherlite's talk page. You might recall that in the previous "Fuck" TFA request, I took issue with a fellow supporter's assumption that "troll" was being used as a noun. (In your case, I was unsure of how you meant it. Now that you've clarified, I don't doubt that you were describing an action.)

I agree with most of what you wrote here. I just want to stress that the notifications were deemed a requirement of the article's TFA consideration. Various editors (primarily those opposed to the appearance of "offensive" material on the main page) demanded them, and Bencherlite indicated that he wouldn't schedule such an article unless that condition was met.

I'm not defending this as a good idea (because I agree that it wasn't one). But it isn't fair to blame Cirt, whose only other viable option was to not request the TFA appearance at all. —David Levy 02:17, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Carrite (talk) 02:21, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you both! :) — Cirt (talk) 01:40, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Thankyou Carrite[edit]

Im just contacting you to say thanks for your interest. Ive replied on my talk page to your statement.I cant be any more exact because it all took place several -3?4? years ago. I dont think Black cab is the ultimate evil either! I think being in Australia he cannot easily get the wide range of NZ resources that are available in NZ. This may be a source of frustration to him-I dont really know. Im not sure which part of the wiki world you are in but the seasoned and reasonable NZ editor Gadfium hinted strongly to non NZ editors to be aware that there are people that take VERY strong (political? personal?)positions on Maori topics. Some are Maori, some are not. Pushing the "Maori cause" is a significant political/ social movement in NZ. Maori have their own political party. Some Maori want autonomy. Millions of dollars are up for grabs. There are about 130,000 million Maori living in Australia (about 20% of all Maori).

It is perhaps significant that in traditional Maori culture it is the norm to take up an aggressive posture when there are doubts as to the intentions of an outsider. If you are from overseas you may have seen a "haka" (war dance) which is the physical embodiment of this posturing. Traditionally Maori would do or say anything to protect their "mana "(pride, authority, prestige). Blackcab may be one of these people- I cannot say for sure. What I do know is that he frequently uses a major source that has been identified by professional history writers as having significant weakness. His response has always been to say that nevertheless it is recognized by wiki as a reliable source. In the modern history world, historians are concerned with why writers hold certain positions as well as the positions themselves. Blackcab recently put his hand up to being the main contributor to the wiki page on NZ Land Confiscation. I have attempted, with limited success, to add important information to balance that article.It is getting better. About a month ago I added a section -all referenced-that Black cab immediately reverted saying it was "unsourced,POV". Clearly it was sourced. The views expressed came from a wide range of sources. They may not be Black cab's POV but it seems to me he is thinking if the article as his own fiefdom-to be protected at all costs. I have a lot more information on that topic to go in the article which presents a more rounded picture but hesitate to do so knowing what Blackcab's reaction is going to be.

I must admit I do not follow all the ins and outs of the wiki world rules -it seems to be a regular semantic jungle. I do not have the time to follow all that minutae. My interest is simple- putting forward information that enhances wider understanding of a topic, putting forward a range of valid viewpoints. I do enjoy presenting new information by constant reading around topics.That's why my edits are all about content, not wikifying. It is amazing that we now have a far better understanding of "the ancient world" than those actually lived in it. Breakthroughs in scientific research have given us far greater understanding of the past now than we have ever had before. I believe it is very important that we strive to put this accurate information in wiki, as it emerges, and be prepared to let go of old ideas that are inaccurate or redundant. Many, many of the old ideas are not only out dated but now seem rather ridiculous. It would be nice if the age of enlightenment spread all around the world-wiki is a good start to this.

I do not have any more time to enter into long debates with editors on the above -I have a job to do and this is very time consuming and distracting. I don't claim to be perfect but I do claim to be reasonable. Thanks again for your interest.Goodbye.Claudia — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 22:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

the ongoing inanity of the OR /SYNTH continues[edit]

Now he's proposing yet another POV fork based entirely on his SYNTH analysis of cites he hasn't even found yet, similarly wrongly focussed on his obsession with city titles rather than meaningful realities; Abbotsford is part of the real "metro area" though in a different regional district; regional districts have never been an adequate or realistic way to subdivide BC. There's already a national level article on the topic he wants to spin yet another fork off of. I still have those two BC pages watchlisted but will refrain from commenting further as a CFWT (complete fucking waste of time). At some point he's got to get reined in; Blueboar told him to shut up but he's done anything but since.... the arrogance of [this comment] is beyond words; he's wanted me gone for a while, that's clear. He won. He's driven me away, and quite happy about it, it seems. Skookum1 (talk) 02:54, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

@AshLin:, he's anything but a "mature, experienced editor" and my reason for using barebones URLs is an ongoing protest at the unwieldiness of cite-templates, which are instruction creep and very un-wiki (wiki meaning "fast, quick") and clutter up edit mode severely; the transformation of the quite useful and easy {{bcgnis}} to {{cite bcgnis}} damaged certain articles due to the massive bytage required by the imposed cite template; those who are "fans" of the cite templates are welcome to clean up after me, Lord knows I've had to clean up after them more than once. @Blueboar: he's done anything but shut up and let others speak, rather the opposite....and on more and more pages, constantly FORUMSHOPPING for support and repeating his SYNTH arguments and walls of cite to blockade reasonable input; and once again per the link at the start of this section he's intent on his "ethnic/religious groups by city" campaign; there's no "Christianity in Greater Vancouver" article, or any other religion, nor nothing similar for any other Canadian city...... or, other than things he's created, for any American city, either. The artificial OR division of Greater Vancouver from British Columbia is complete OR nonsense, his arguments are all SYNTH.

Carrite, sorry to vent here, just wanted to notify you of the yet-more OR/POV fork item in question, and to re-advise that the "in Greater Vancouver" subdivision is not viable and purely OR.Skookum1 (talk) 02:52, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Per your CANTALK comment about merging the South Asian Canadians title to Indo-Canadians that's an obvious given....except that South Asian includes non-Indo-Canadians such as Sri Lankans....or "do we use?" Indo-Canadians for them and Bangladeshi Canadians and Nepali Canadians and so on? The Pakistani Canadian article is Moslem-focussed...but I remember the wave of Punjabis in the 1960s when our school had a whole new batch of students; most were from Pakistan. The media do use "East Indian" or "South Asian" when the subject is not a citizen or resident.Skookum1 (talk) 03:00, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

@Skookum1:, your argument noted. AshLin (talk) 04:35, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


Per your comment at ArbCom, I'd like to inform you that I've personally been harassed and doxxed by Wikipediocracy. Titanium Dragon has actually had his dox released, whereas they just kept mine private. Now, I'm not saying that his claims should be admitted without proof, but Wikipediocracy has a history of doxxing and harassing people; and since I've personally been subject to it I'm more inclined to take his claims seriously. Tutelary (talk) 23:06, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

When their target is a child, they have been known to contact the child's school, since they know that will produce the maximum amount of distress for the child and for the parents. This has happened on multiple occasions. There is also a documented tendency of some Wikipediocracy people to post photos of minor Wikipedia editors to their forums, so that other Wikipediocracy contributors can "comment" on them. Sometimes these photos of minors are later removed by moderators, once the regulars have had the chance to comment, if the photos are in one of the public forums. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:16, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

That people have been doxxed is not a matter of dispute. Whether people have been contacted on the basis of that identification is the aspect that I question. Carrite (talk) 23:18, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

When an attack site has published an editor's personal contact information, and that editor then states that they have been contacted by persons appearing to bear them ill will in regard to their editing, then expressing concern about a lack of proof seems somewhat vindictive, or at least unfair, towards the person harassed. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:15, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
And I contend that when a person offers apparently false testimony in one sentence, and provably absurd testimony in the next, it is perfectly within any rational person's rights to at least question subsequent controversial statements in that same piece of testimony. Carrite (talk) 21:52, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
If Mr. Panda was contacted "IRL" by a troll, I seriously doubt it was by one of the regulars at Wikipediocracy. That's the sort of thing Jimbo would do, not we. --SB_Johnny | talk✌ 23:46, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipediocracy has a firm policy against the disclosure of any personal information, including photographs, involving minors. We discourage the posting of private information (home addresses, phone numbers) of adults as well, except in special cases. As with Wikipedia or any public forum, we cannot enforce this policy on a moment-to-moment basis, but a review of our site will find no such information, and I challenge anyone to provide documentary evidence otherwise. If such information has been posted, it has been removed promptly (within at most hours) -- more promptly, I suggest, than similar information on Wikipedia. To contend that the operators of Wikipediocracy deliberately post or allow the posting of images or information about minors is false and defamatory. -- Uncle Cabal (talk) 19:32, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedians probably should not use gross exaggerations or otherwise untruthful statements or distortions when discussing Wikipediaocracy if they care about ethics. Cla68 (talk) 00:48, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
"Ethics" and "Wikipediocracy" are not words that sit well together in the same sentence. Your fellow Wikipediocracy staff member above suggests that Jimbo is responsible for the reported harassment of User:DangerousPanda. But in fact, Jimbo was decidedly lukewarm about any action against Panda. By contrast, your Wikipediocracy forum is ... less neutral, to say the least. Dangerous Panda himself indicated that Wikipediocracy was responsible.
Another thing that you knowingly permit on your Wikipediocracy forum, is the allegation that a particular banned Wikipedia user had their employer contacted, either by arbcom or by someone claiming to represent arbcom. I now learn - after months of claims about this on your Wikipediocracy forum, none of which you apparently made any attempt to ascertain the truth of or to rein in - that these allegations are completely untrue.
Were you and other Wikipediocracy staff aware of the refutation of these claims? When did you become aware of it?
"Uncle Cabal" above, who seems to be claiming to speak for you and your compatriots, appears to be unaware of the fact that truth is a defence to "defamation" actions in almost all jurisdictions. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:15, 22 November 2014 (UTC)
  • One thing that casual observers may not understand is that Wikipediocracy undertakes so-called "doxxing" damned infrequently. If they wanted to play this game all day long, they could. There is a purpose whenever Real Life Identity becomes an object of discussion. This is not to say that the line is always drawn correctly or that the "doxxers" do not sometimes go too far (listing up addresses and such). But it is not a riotous and pointed assault on secrecy — there is always a motive, generally good, for the revelations. Wikipedia could more or less eliminate the need for this sort of "direct action" by requiring real name registration and sign-in-to-edit — which ain't happening anytime soon, incidentally. It's sort of a stalemate and I can see the arguments of both sides. Case by case, let common sense prevail. Carrite (talk) 03:45, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Jānis K. Bērziņš[edit]

I have had to remove all information from the above article going back 5 years[6] because of incorrect information. I did contact you 5.5 years ago here to alert you to this information, but unfortunately you didn't do anything about it. Because of the mish-mash of information relating to two completely different individuals, the article basically needs to be rewritten from the point that I have reverted to. Sorry about that, but good luck with it if you choose to rewrite it. Cheers, (talk) 22:09, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

It's all yours. Carrite (talk) 03:52, 21 November 2014 (UTC)


As you participated in a previous related discussion you are invited to comment at Wikipedia:Administrators/RfC for an Admin Review Board. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

DangerousPanda arbitation request opened[edit]

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Thank you![edit]

Thanks so much for adding the new Atlantic article as Further Reading on the page for Fred Richards. It's really fun to read and adds a whole different take on him. Dcrjsr (talk) 17:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration Committee election questions[edit]

Hey, I just thought I'd let you know I finished answering your questions for me. Sorry it took me so long! Ks0stm (TCGE) 21:02, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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Greeley redux[edit]

I don't know if you are still interested, but I've started work on Horace Greeley and am up to 1860. I wasn't writing for a while due to travel, some personal things, and whatnot. I could use help with images, proofreading, and the like. I could also send you articles to read and you could add them to the biblio if useful and see what should be added, I can always make the text consistent.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll leave it to you, our writing and markup styles are greatly dissimilar. Carrite (talk) 06:59, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

For your defense of Missvain[edit]

Sherlock Holmes statue at Meiringen1.jpg The Great Detective Award
Thank you for your efforts in reviewing the allegations, and in having the courage to point out the weakness of them. We need more people willing to do that sort of thing. John Carter (talk) 18:05, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


Please see WP:GS/GG/E#Avono where your name has been mentioned. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 20:14, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Both sides of the Gamergate fiasco are fucking insane. Carrite (talk) 20:18, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


I've revdeled a revision on your user page. The text, with names redacted, is:

Dear [redact],

My name is [redact]. You were part of a discussion to delate my wiki page, based on a dialog that was opened by [redact, just in case], who happens to be a competitor of the company Pan B. I find it truly remarkable that a professional and personal vendeta should be the criteria for deletion of a topic which otherewise has information pertinent to the history of electronic music in the United States, the links listed met the criteria set by WIkipedia. I am truly disappointed the misuse of authority and judgement which was summoned in this decision.

--Wehwalt (talk) 00:11, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Please do not revdelete shit. I have no fucking clue what this is about now. Carrite (talk) 07:08, 6 December 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your support at the recent ArbCom election. Again, no non-admins were elected. We'll see what happens next year... Cheers. Kraxler (talk) 16:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

A very low turnout no doubt was decisive in that regard. The election needs to be publicized better next year... Thanks for running! Carrite (talk) 17:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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