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Thanks! I am constantly learning (partly by participating) and I try to stick with WP intent, purpose, and common sense. Further, I am reading your references. Thanks Again! Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 10:51, 18 March 2010 (UTC) Sometimes, I need to read the WP guidelines over-and-over. Hope you don't mind if I create my own creative punctuation and grammar .!. I try to be more-formal in Articles than in Talk.

Thanks for visiting my TALK page — Charles Edwin Shipp[edit]

Thanks for the visit .!. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:32, 13 December 2013 (UTC)


TWA badge 7.png Researcher .!.


Your signature[edit]

Hi- would you mind removing the line break and horizontal rule from your signature? They kind of break page flow. See also, Wikipedia:Signatures#Appearance and color. Thanks! --King Öomie 17:04, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

King Oomie, Thanks for the suggestion, I see your point.
It is not in my signature block—I add the bars after commenting to break the flow,
and I put in line-breaks to prevent line-wrapping when not wanted.
Bottom line: TNKS! I'm taking your suggestion, and will also be reading and learning
since I am on the board of the wiki for
Thanks Again, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


I undid your edit to Rush Limbaugh, while it probably true, without a source it could be seen as negative/derogatory information, thus a violation of BLP. If you can provide a source, then we can definitely use it.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 17:05, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

[Thanks! With effort, I've found two good references, very insightful and instructive.] Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:21, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
No problem. As it was written, it could have been perceived as a negative comment, "he was too lazy and didn't want to put forth the effort"... so while I knew it was probably a true statement, we needed a source for it. BLP is one of those touchy subjects around here due to some dubious work in the past.---Balloonman NO! I'm Spartacus! 23:52, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Global warming controversy[edit]

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For those who read this automated note to me who are interested:
There was a sentence: world-consensus is that climate change is a serious problem.
To this I added a note that Germany is now 58% changing their view (with ref.)[1]
"The case for anthropogenic (man-made) global warming (AGW) eroded significantly after the leak of IPCC eMails."
This was immediately removed, "This is just one nation", someone said.
(OK, I'll ref more nations later, and on the proper WP page.)
Or better still, I'll just wait for the obvious to set in.
Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:03, 2 April 2010 (UTC) PS: I'll be more careful in reading header notes for guidance.
God has a sense of humor with freezing, ice-storm winters. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

For those with further interest, you will of course have noticed that those that leaked the first thousands of cover-up eMails, (hacked by Russians to protect their oil price interests) held back 5,000 eMail notes which are now released just before another Global Warming international conference. .!. .!. .!. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:00, 4 December 2011 (UTC) . . . But who will notice; who will care ? ? [This last sentence is the SUBJECT-line of the update.]

There has not been 'warming' for 15 years—news today from England. Picture of 'ice fairs' when the Thames River froze over. Here is the link with the picture. It's a great and interesting picture that should be included on the 'Global Warming, controversy' WP page.

I want to add a comment to my own TALK page here about AGW/manmadeClimateChange/Global Warming, since scientist wanting to prove ice was/is melting in Antarctica went on a ship only to get stuck in the ice. Of 41 media reports, only one reported they were Global Warming scientists, and the other 40 reported they were tourists (reports Glenn Beck). My point is this: It has been 15 years since Earth has been cooling, not warming; and I want to see promises of 1 degree warming in 100 years and the water rising here in California, so I can sit on the beach and sun myself sipping lemonade. Rush Limbaugh said it was ironic that the scientists had a ChiCom ice-breaker ship sail to the rescue only to be also frozen and stuck in the ice. The best rescuers in the world, the U.S. Military had to rescue them. He says that Liberals in media must be perplexed: do they support Obama in supporting Communism or do they continue to hate our Military. P.S. I hope I am able to talk to myself here without being reverted .!. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 02:09, 7 January 2014 (UTC)


Very interesting! Here is the start: JOHN HINDERAKER, "As we have written a number of times, one of the basic problems in assessing the credibility of the catastrophic anthropogenic global warming theory is that it has been difficult, if not impossible, to obtain raw temperature data for scientific analysis. The agencies responsible for publishing temperature data, not just in the U.S. but around the world, are committed to the global warming scare, which is the source of their » ..." Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:48, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Headline: MIT Professor Urging Climate Change Activists To ‘Slow Down’

MIT Professor Richard Lindzen is a leading international expert on climate change. “The changes that have occurred due to global warning are too small to account for,” he told WBZ-TV. It has nothing to do with global warming, it has to do with where we live. ... It’s the politicians and the green movement that like to portray catastrophe." — FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:49, 15 January 2014 (UTC) Still waiting for Earth to stop cooling in this 20-yr cycle.

Here it is, four years after the first addition to this section. Current headlines from The Drudge Report include:

  • Dubai to build climate-controlled 'city'...
  • BBC admonished for giving climate 'deniers' equal air time...
  • Computer models confounded as Antarctic sea ice hits new record high...
  • Government Data Show USA in Decade-Long Cooling...
  • UN 'global warming' predictions subject of ridicule because of stunning failure...
  • WIRE: 'Misconceptions' helped kill Australian carbon tax...

So there you go. Yet, Leftists in politics, media, and the world continue to double-down.[2] -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:34, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Drudge Report links to three interesting articles today (1) Coldest winter in a century in some NZ cities; (2)Coldest Antarctic ever; and (3) Algore leads the Warmers!

  • Brisbane hits coldest temperature in 103 years [3]
  • Coldest Antarctic June Ever Recorded [4]
  • Al Gore: climate change is the 'biggest crisis our civilisation faces' [5] That's the BBC.

Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

"Autumnlike Chill Sets More Records in Central US, South" FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:08, 18 July 2014 (UTC) FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 17:37, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Today, I read the reader comments [6] in a Newsmax article and if you want to get a chuckle from the consensus of common sense among normal citizens, you will be rewarded with insights! -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:21, 16 September 2014 (UTC) "Satellite images show that almost 12.5 million square miles of sea ice surrounds the continent. That's the largest amount since records have been kept in the early 1970s. "That is roughly double the size of the Antarctic continent and about three times the size of Australia," Jan Lieser of the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Cooperative Research Centre told ABC. The discovery was made late last week."


You're welcome for the assistance. I didn't see your note on the article's talk page, but the reference addition generated the error tag which drew me to the page. Should you run into reference problems in the future, feel free to drop a note on my talk page and I'll have a look. Cheers. Akerans (talk) 17:57, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Charles. A request for your input[edit]

Your recent edit corrected my false notion that the Salt Lake Tribune was owned by the Mormon church. There is another Mormon-related matter that I really think your expertise could help and that is that the MOS page about how to term the LDS on Wikipedia. The most pertinent section is here. The issue is to what degree the terms "Mormon church" and "LDS church" relate specifically to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, in specific, and to what kind of sourcing should be used to document this. Thanks, if you find time and the interest to look into the matter and offer your opinion or commentary.--Hodgson-Burnett's Secret Garden (talk) 22:47, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Dr. Garden, Sorry for the delay in answering; I was in an edit-war a year ago and lost, hence diminished-dedication. Let me give your question some reflection. I have my own opinions, inspiration from my wife, and I have links to LDS public relations at the highest levels if I choose to ask. I realize that backup links are very important. This I understand. Thanks for asking; I hope I do not disappoint you. Will try my best. Sincerely, CES
Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:00, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

There is a student/advisor effort at BYU to improve the Wikipedia article on the LDS Church. I'll try to have them contact you. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:43, 28 March 2011 (UTC) There is also this: Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 09:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I see that we have both commented in the talk section of Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:10, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm in London and not active on Wikipedia for a short while. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 20:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC) I have been thinking of the discussion at hand.

This is a test to see if things point properly[edit]

Broadcast stations in North America generally use call letters in the international series. There are some common conventions followed in each country. In the United States, the first letter generally is K for stations west of the Mississippi River and W for those east of the Mississippi; all new call signs have been 4-character since 1922, though there are historical 3-character calls still in use, such as WOR New York City, WBZ Boston, WRC Washington DC, WSB Atlanta, WSM Nashville, WMC Memphis, WGN Chicago, KLZ Denver, KSL Salt Lake City, KEX Portland, OR, KFI Los Angeles and KGU Hawaii.[1]

tia, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:43, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
REgarding :

Another test: Rose Parade[2]

Another test: (See if dateref is a keyword or not) : An internationally renowned physician, Dr. Carson has authored over 100 neurosurgical publications, along with three best-selling books, and has been awarded 38 honorary doctorate degrees and dozens of national merit citations.[3]

Norway Victims[edit]

An editor has nominated the article for deletion, you can have your say at :


Maybe you know of other editors who could input.

--Hemshaw (talk) 03:05, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

San Pedro zip codes[edit]

I came across your old postings to Talk:Los Angeles#Missing zip code. If you can figure out the range of zip codes that are missing you can add them to the infobx yourself.   Will Beback  talk  21:44, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for encouragement. I'll work on it (1) the complete/correct list, with zips in L.A. plus zips partially in L.A.; (2) learning how to get the box revised; and (3) suggesting a different format and abbreviated information. Thanks Again .!. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

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This bot-note left me pondering, "What did I do?" . . . Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:58, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Let's have a 'section' for testing (I put something in and see if it works) .!.[edit]

Mars500 (as not needing the few other Article/page names, like 'Mars_500_Project', etc.)

How to make columns of information[edit]

Honestly, this is all we need:

January 3

January 10

January 21

January 31

February 4

February 4–11

February 7

February 28

March 3

March 6 (Super Tuesday)

March 6-10

March 10

March 13

March 17

March 18

March 20

March 24

April 3

April 24

May 8

May 15

May 22

June 5

June 14-16

June 26

July 14

  • Nebraska (binding) caucus

Date to be determined

  • Guam, 9 delegates
  • Northern Mariana Islands

This lists the: Date, State, Type, Delegate count (things you all want)

Proposed merge involving Republican Primary articles.[edit]

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, Republican Party presidential candidates, 2012, has been proposed for a merge with Republican Party presidential primaries, 2012. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Jack Bornholm (talk) 16:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me—I voted 'oppose' like you did, and will add a longer comment later. How long is the discussion? Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 19:00, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll read it over again over the weekend. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:50, 11 February 2012 (UTC)


Noticed your post here [7]. If you wouldn't mind posting it here it would be appreciated. There's a larger audience there. – Lionel (talk) 03:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip/invitation/opportunity. Here is my first post there: Hear, here! A lot to talk about (and Incubator should hatch brilliance). —— Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
I really enjoyed learning and reading The_Conservatism_Portal. —— Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 03:50, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

FYI, MMFA = 'Media Matters for America' {must be a play on words, because it is really 'Drive-by-Media Lies material Against America'}. They are evil! They lie! And they have ties to the Obama White House whitehouse: [8] — FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 10:07, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

 ;-) – Lionel (talk) 10:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the 'wink' — we are reminded of Sean Hannity's book, Deliver Us From Evil (book title from the Lord's Prayer — Bible, New Testament). Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:01, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject invitation[edit]

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You are invited to join Wikipedia: WikiProject United States presidential elections because of your outstanding contributions to articles related to this WikiProject.-JayJasper (talk) 05:48, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thank You, Jay Jasper Esq, for noticing and for the compliment. Yes, I would like to join the conversation. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:26, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for joining the project. Welcome aboard, and keep up the good editing work!--JayJasper (talk) 20:13, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Linking inside the article title[edit]

Hi, I reverted your good-faith edit linking "Texas" in the the bolded title at Texas Republican primary, 2012. Under WP:CONTEXTLINK, "Do not place a link within the bolded title, even if that seems to provide a graceful way to link to an appropriate context-setting topic."

I see you've made a number of similar edits on other articles. Please consider going back and undoing those. Thanks. TJRC (talk) 22:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 22:56, 22 March 2012 (UTC) . . . Yes check.svg Done
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Having lost the edit-war (the Rush Limbaugh "Jargon" page in Wikipedia has been deleted), ... I have moved on .!.[edit]

Under discussion [was] the WP page, Jargon_of_the_Rush_Limbaugh_Show .
To help out, I have completed my personal review of jargon-term relevance.

There are 29 jargon-terms that should be archived for history preservation;
Keep 73: 30 in high-interest category; 15 at level 4; 17 at level 3; 11 at level 2,1.

Jargon of The Rush Limbaugh Show
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [on this date: 1-15-2010, Friday]

  • Delete -2: . Loser, the [this was minor]
  • Delete -2: . Garbage Network, The [not often mentioned]
  • Delete -1: . Benedict Arnold [way-old news]
  • Delete +2: . K.O.O.K.S. [When mentioned, he doesn’t abbreviate]

An IMPORTANCE RATING, 5=Highest Importance down to 1=Lowest.

5=Highest Importance (next) : (30 jargon-terms in this category)
Limbaugh Doctrine; 35 Undeniable Truths of Life; State-Run Media (or State-Controlled Media); Stack of Stuff; Senator Dick Turban; Senator "Chuck-U" Schumer; Seminar caller; Rio Linda; Queen Bee Nancy; Operation Chaos; Ninth Circus Court of Appeals; NAA-L-CP; Mind-Numbed Robot; Michelle (My Belle); Lindsey Grahamnesty; Leaky Leahy a/k/a Senator Depends; Feminazi; Environmentalist wacko; Excellence in Broadcasting (EIB); EIB Southern Command; EIB Climatologist; Drive-by media; Dittoheads; Dingy Harry; Club Gitmo; Caller abortion; Barack Hussein Obama (Mmm mmm mmm!); Banking Queen; Algore; "Sheets" Byrd.

4=Next highest importance : (15 jargon-terms in this category)
The four corners of deceit; The Forehead; Stuck on Stupid; Soup Line America; Racist, Sexist, Bigot, Homophobe; Larry King Alive; Greatest Football Team in the History of Civilization; David Rodham Gergen; Daficit; Cuber; Calypso Louie; Battered Liberal Syndrome; Assume Room Temperature; "Mario COO-mo"; "Dadelut dadelut dadelut!!!"

3=Middle importance : (17 jargon-terms in this category)
Zip, zero, nada; Uglo Americans; T.O.T.U.S.; Senator Helmet Head; Rasheed Limbaqi; My Adopted Hometown; Merchant Marine Organizers; It's Atlas Shrugged; Communist News Network; Clinton News Network; Chang Limbang; Ben Affliction; Barack Nifong [only half explained]; Baba Wawa; Ali Limbali

2=Next to lowest importance : (7 jargon-terms in this category)
White trash cake; Top ten female names; St. Louis Descratch; Punk, The; Mary "Cute Little Baby Fat" Landrieu; Bela Pelosi; Bank of Amigo

1=Somewhat important : (4 jargon-terms in this category)
Obama Daily Tracking Poll; Nostrilitis, Nostrildamus; Chopadickoffamy; Addadictomy

Jargon-terms that should be archived to

  • Archive 5 Worst President in All of Our Lifetimes and Beyond
  • Archive 5 Oval Orifice
  • Archive 5 Long-haired, dope-smoking, maggot-infested, good time rock 'n roll plastic banana FM-types
  • Archive 5 Iraq Surrender Group
  • Archive 4 NAG (National Association of Gals)
  • Archive 4 H-bomb
  • Archive 4 Gorbasm
  • Archive 4 Golly Candidate, The
  • Archive 4 Frenchurian Candidate, The
  • Archive 4 Fort Worthless Jim
  • Archive 4 Disgronifier
  • Archive 4 "Osama" Obama
  • Archive 3 Young skulls full of mush
  • Archive 3 Testicle lockbox
  • Archive 3 Swimmer, The
  • Archive 3 Skulls full of mush
  • Archive 3 Nikita Dean
  • Archive 3 Ned Lament
  • Archive 3 Breck Girl [old news]
  • Archive 3 National Hemorrhoid, The
  • Archive 3 Jean-François Kerry
  • Archive 3 Iraqnophobia
  • Archive 3 George Lakoff (Rhymes With)
  • Archive 3 Epidemic Awards
  • Archive 2 New Fallujah
  • Archive 2 John McBrilliant
  • Archive 2 James Baker's Fruit Salad
  • Archive 2 Gorebasm (or Goregasm)
  • Archive 2 Eyeball News
  • Archive 2 Jello-O Molds

Keep 73: 30 in high-interest category; 15 at level 4; 17 at level 3; 11 at level 2,1.
There are 29 jargon-terms that should be archived for "History preservation".

New Archive page should be Jargon_of_the_Rush_Limbaugh_Show_Archive

Every four years all terms should be purged and reevaluated for Archive, retention, or deletion. The time to do this is at each presidential election. I.e., start the jargon-term voting in November of leap years, finalize the next Jan. It can be noted that jargon terms and phrases are created nearly every week and we need not wait to add and delete as deemed appropriate; but archiving en masse should happen as just described.

Your comments and discussion  :: ______________________________________

New words and jargon phrases coined by Rush Limbaugh or callers to his radio show[edit]

Rush coins a new jargon-word once a week, at least. And he coins new jargon-phrases even more often. The question becomes, "Is it amusing, hilarious, witty and/or wise?" Also, "Is it note-worthy?" And, "Does it have a secondary source? Did someone else say he said it?" . . . Further, "Will it continue as important 'jargon' on the Rush Limbaugh Radio Show (and/or be picked up by Drive-by Media and/or other conservative talk-shows)?"

Each new jargon-term or jargon-phase cannot go into the Article, or it would grow too fast and too big. Wisdom and common-sense needs to be applied.

With these concepts in mind, I am starting this section in my personal WP page for terms (jargon words/phrases) to consider for inclusion in the Article. Feel free to visit here and comment, add, question and discuss. [I realize this list could go into "Talk" for 'Jargon_of_The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show', but this way is less formal and less distracting to major editors.]

"I know these Liberals better than they know themselves."
"I love to tweak Liberals in Drive-by Media."
"Ascendancy of Conservatism!"
"Talent on loan from God-d; you, also, have talent on loan."
"Brevity is the soul of wit."
With ad-breaks coming, both Rush and callers need to be succinct—it is wittier.
"Saying more in five seconds than {other talking-heads} say in a year."
There are many, many primary sources, over the 20 years.

["your addition here."]

["your comment here."]

["your addition here."]

Google Hits[edit]

Look at how people use our Jargon Article to find what they want via WP:
Results from a few examples of {exact-jargon-wording} in Google search:

  • Limbaugh Doctrine: (In 2,110 hits, Jargon_of_The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show is #1.)
  • 35 Undeniable Truths of Life: (#14 in 1,750 google-hits.)
  • Queen Bee Nancy: (#7 in 9,700 google-hits.)
  • Operation Chaos: (#1 in 45,100 google-hits.)
  • Ninth Circus Court of Appeals: (#32 in 1,500 google-hits.)
  • Lindsey Grahamnesty: (#100+ in 16,300 google-hits.)
  • Environmentalist wacko: (#16 in 24,000 google-hits.)
  • EIB Southern Command: (#1 in 18,400 google-hits.)
  • EIB Climatologist: (#4 in 550 google-hits.)
  • Drive-by media: (#13 in 872,000 google-hits.)
  • Dittoheads: (#1 in 67,700 google-hits.)
  • Algore: (#100+ in 241,000 google-hits.) (( Rush started the term 'ALgore'; others copied; not giving him credit!))
  • Sheets Byrd: (#100+ in 16,800 google-hits.)

The purpose in showing these example google-searches is to show how the terms have spread to other sources, originating from the jargon of the show. Most terms are coined by Rush Limbaugh, but some originate from callers or other broadcast media. It also shows the importance of these terms in understanding current politics and how Wikipedia can be used.

And here is one of my all-time favorites (finding a great, great secondary source) ::

"Four corners of deceit" (In 240,000 hits, Jargon_of_The_Rush_Limbaugh_Show is #18.)

Ellis Washington in WorldNetDaily confirms and uses the Rush Limbaugh term for his article.

Keep in mind that Rush Limbaugh started this term and now a quarter of a million sources refer to those exact words. Further, realize that most of them are not worthy to be an acceptable secondary WP source.

Additional Aspects on Jargon-Article[edit]

Weekend Writing—developing. Feel free to comment now/here, or later.
First, let me say I am grateful for what I have learned from senior editors, Will Beback in particular.

Summary of Pros & Cons:[edit]

  • Cons:
    • 1) Not important.
    • 2) Not enough sourcing.
    • 3) Bad example to others.
    • 4) Could be reduced/merged.

  • Pros:
    • 1) Important to a group of us/readers/WP.
    • 2) Progress in sourcing continues.
    • 3) Good example of balancing good information.
    • 4) There is enough to keep separate; more to add.

Additional Considerations not yet discussed.[edit]

    • 1) Jargon article is more important to WP than Rush_Limbaugh page.
    • 2) Those not interested in developing Jargon-page could go elsewhere.
    • 3) Attract or repel new (Conservative) readers and potential editors?
    • 4) Why take diction from Minority and ignore attracting Majority?
    • 5) Example of what Rush said about Tiger Woods not endorsing Obama.
    • 6) Example of what Jimmy D. Wales really means about secondary sources.
    • 7) Is Rush’s jargon better jargon only if others copy him?
    • 8) What is the ideal criteria-set for inclusion? (Like a WillBeBack Q, FYI.)
    • 9) Whom do we serve? (WP, editors, readers.) How do we best serve?
    • 10) What is a good entry? “I know it when I see it and study it.”
    • 11) This is specific to one show and not radio/media in general.
    • 12) When a term spreads, that is an added bonus, not a requirement.

Comparison of size/balance[edit]

  • Pages in Rush_Limbaugh [ 18 ] // The Show [ 11 ] // Jargon [ 20 ]
  • Ref. . . in Rush Limbaugh [ 146 ] // The Show [ 24 ] // Jargon [ 188 ].
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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Congratulations, Charles Edwin Shipp, you've recently made your 1,000th edit to articles on English Wikipedia!

Thank you for improving and expanding articles on U.S. politics, and for all your contributions to the encyclopedia. Keep up the great work! Maryana (WMF) (talk) 21:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank You, for the star; . . . I'm doing a lot on the main article for the 2012 Republican race: Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012 ... Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:43, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Again; I am now at 3,666 edits; encouragement goes a long way. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
And approaching 5,000 edits. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:53, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
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I give you this barnstar for your tireless work on keeping the external links section in Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2012 up-to-date.
Truely worthy of this Barnstar that are given for minor edits often-overlooked, but essential. Jack Bornholm (talk) 10:18, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Spanx Article[edit]

You might want to see my feedback on the Spanx article on WP, I found an article about the founder of the company. Not trying to stir up any pot but wonder if any information from a talk show would fit in about SPANX in general. JasonHockeyGuy (talk) 05:36, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look and then I'll search to see. "Now, the Blakely story is a great story. I think it is. Very American. She invents a product. People wanted to buy it. There were no government handouts or no slush funds. There were no subsidies. Hillary actually could learn a lot from Sara Blakely." Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:28, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Mitt Romney[edit]

There is currently a straw poll taking place here. Your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 06:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

McGabe, Thanks for the invitation to vote on the haircutting incident. I vote 'OK' if the word 'crying' is taken out. Just delete one word which implies the blond hippie from California was a sniveling baby. His family says the account is not accurate. Thanks for asking, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:31, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your input, I have now removed the word "crying" from the proposed text for the reasons you stated. — GabeMc (talk) 22:12, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
Wow! Thank You (from many). I was not totally expecting that, but appreciate it beyond belief. Thanks Again, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 00:34, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

JMP COI[edit]

Hi Charles. I have a financial COI with SAS Institute in that I'm working with them to improve articles they have a connection with following COI best practices. My approach to COI is that I offer contributed content, request factual corrections or discuss controversial issues in the same manner public relations professional do with news media, while respecting Wikipedia's autonomy by not directly editing articles I have a COI with as a rule of thumb.

I wanted to introduce myself, because I saw that you were the primary contributor to the JMP (statistical software) page. I'm working on some improvements like a version history, images, etc. for the JMP and John Sall pages and was wondering if you were interested in collaborating later on when I have drafts to share.

There's no obligation, but I try to seek out topic experts where I can, who are best equipped to evaluate neutrality at-a-glance due to their intimate familiarity with the topic. I also posted some suggested improvements on the SAS Institute Talk page that were previously reviewed by AlphaQuadrant, but he recently went on a Wiki-break just a few weeks or so before we were ready for a merge request. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 11:14, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I want to participate. Others on the Advisory Board include Don Henderson and [9] Howard Scheier who has worked on the SAS page in WP. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:28, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
I think you are too conservative; thanks for the links on COI — You are able to edit if you want to; just don't create new articles or be out of order — Reading the last paragraph in TALK of your second WP internal link shows I am correct (I believe), imho,Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:32, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
You are correct. I avoid direct edits voluntarily as a conservative approach. Adding this image to the article would be considered a "non-controversial edit" and is universally allowed. On the other hand, even taking out the BI section in the draft SAS Institute page because I plan to implement market share numbers on the SAS (software) page would be open to critical interpretation. So I like to avoid ethical ambiguity or the possible appearance of impropriety by operating primarily through community collaboration. On that note, no editor is obligated to collaborate with me or edit on my behalf, so I merely ask humbly if editors are interested in working together out of their natural interest in the subject and in contributing to Wikipedia. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 21:26, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Do you know their usernames on Wikipedia? We could always use more eyes and there are at least 5 or 6 SAS/JMP related articles, so I might wear you out if it's only us two. Face-smile.svg User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 21:37, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Could you send an invitation? He has his own Wikipedia page and has presented about 700 SAS papers, plus workshops and training sessions. He and I co-author a lot and I mentioned your draft page project to him. We are both very pleased with the update directions and I noted it is a major project, like creating an eBook. TNKS, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:46, 26 July 2012 (UTC) Cf: Kirk_paul_lafler — PS: We have high interest in 'social/business media' and have current presentations on these subjects. (ALso, I know others to contact.)
Ok, I pinged him. I'm also close to done with a draft John Sall article. I'm hoping to get an image and we're still stamping out a couple tweaks, but I would welcome your feedback and/or edits. I would ask not moving it into article-space yet, so I can keep editing it in the draft space, but I should be wrapped up on it soon. User:King4057 (EthicalWiki) 00:10, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Request for your participation[edit]

As a frequent editor of U.S. election-related articles, your participation in this discussion would be helpful and appreciated.--JayJasper (talk) 05:19, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite, Jay. I always respect your insights and WP editing. I'll have some time this evening, watching London 2012. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

SAS Institute article proposed edit[edit]

User:COIDave has proposed a major rewrite of SAS Institute, proposing the draft at User:Analytics447/DRAFTSASInstitute. You commented positively on this at User talk:Analytics447/DRAFTSASInstitute. However I am not clear if you feel that this draft, as it now stands, is ready to replace the existing article in toto. Your views would be welcome, at my talk page or perhaps better at Talk:SAS Institute#Request edit, or of course, here. Thank you. DES (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'll take a look at the major rewrite (with gratitude). Been busy preparing papers, posters, and a coder's corner 10-minute presentation for annual regional conferences, [10] Western States and [11] Midwest Regional, in particular. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:11, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Hi Charles. This is me - you'll have to forgive the username confusion. I made some changes to make my username anonymous (discussed here).
I wanted to let you know we also proposed a revised version on the Talk page of the John Sall article. I noticed you were the primary contributor to that article as well and would love any feedback. COIDave (talk) 16:27, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll find some time after I get over to Minnesota MN to teach a JMP class at MWSUG. In regards to my editing SAS/JMP articles in Wikipedia, I am a fan and jump in when I see a void; it is great to see word-smithing of missing information at your professional level—truly a welcome change that will benefit to all WP readers. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 09:40, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Awesome! I always tell people that companies that are "good" are easy to do Wiki-consulting for, because a "neutral" article reflects positively on them. The struggle on Wikipedia is that only a customer or subject-matter expert can easily determine if an article offered by a COI is a reasonably fair portrayal of the subject.
Whenever you do get a chance, the request edit instructions may be useful. I've contributed heavily to the request edit templates and instructions myself. You can add an "A" "G" "P" or "D" (Implemented, approved, partial or declined) to the request edit, as well as make any changes boldly as you see fit. COIDave (talk) 17:34, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi Charles. I asked for help in the IRC channel on the SAS and John Sall articles. They suggested if I have waited a reasonable amount of time, I should go ahead and make the edits. I wanted to make sure you felt ok about them first. COIDave (talk) 19:34, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle[edit]

Decemmber 8 - Wikipedia Loves Libraries Seattle - You're invited
Seattle Public Library
  • Date Saturday, December 8, 2012
  • Time 10 a.m. – 3 p.m.
  • Location Seattle Public Library Meeting Room 1 on Level 4, Central Library, 1000 4th Avenue, Seattle WA, 98104
  • Event An editathon on Seattle-related Wikipedia articles with Wikipedia tutorials and Librarian assistance on hand.
  • Hashtag #wikiloveslib or #glamwiki.
  • Registration or use on-wiki regsistration.

Yours, Maximilianklein (talk) 04:01, 1 December 2012 (UTC)


I've removed your commentary on the Gulf War and 9/11 from Talk:George W. Bush as a violation of WP:NOTFORUM. Please confine your comments to article improvement. Acroterion (talk) 16:10, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

[Reply] As Liberals who are Wikipedia editors attack a good USA president, they reveal more about themselves than past-president George W. Bush, a good man. Here is what I wrote that was removed from "Alleged War Crimes, and Crimes Against Humanity" [George W. Bush].

It IS about Saddam Hussein and here is why: He illegally started the first Gulf War and was prevented from taking over Kuwait by USA. Ten years later, Jihadists murdered 3,000 in NYC WTC on 9/11. This was an act of war from radical Jihad, trying to draw their perceived enemy, 'the big satan' into war so they could see the Twelfth Imam come out of the well. It was not their first attack against America, as you must know. Attacked in war on their homeland, America did not enter the war immediately, but sought cooperation of 30 other nations. The will of the American people was to enter this war and was about to, but Democrats wanted another debate and vote so they could jump on board. It was a longer-term strategic decision by intelligence to take down Saddam Hussein who was murdering his citizens and strike at Jihad in their territory rather than wait for them to attack our homeland again. Where is the crime in this? The crime would have been to allow Saddam Hussein to continue his madness. George Bush lead America (after careful prayer and guidance from the Catholic Church, the LDS Church, and others.) Millions of lives were saved, In Iraq, In America, Kuwait, to prevent the expansion of Jihad against non-Sharia nations. The only basis in logic to say that USA (Bush) acted illegally would be to say we should have waited for the United Nations to take action. No, the only war criminals are the Jihadists! Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 16:05, 4 December 2012 (UTC) PS: Review Timeline_of_the_Gulf_War.

I've found that it's generally more productive to discuss this sort of issue in terms of Wikipedia policy, rather than trying to figure out where other editors are coming from: it avoids a lot of finger-pointing and off-topic diversions. Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but steady reference to WP policy keeps the talkpage from turning into a debating forum and keeps political arguments at bay. Acroterion (talk) 16:42, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi Charles. I proposed a re-write of the JMP article on the Talk page and wanted to invite you to comment, make sure we haven't removed valuable information you contributed in the original, or make other improvements. My conflict of interest is less relevant here, because our proposed is less promotional than the current, but it may also help to have someone with domain expertise if someone doubts the credibility of niche sources like James Taylor.

Your thoughts are welcome, though if you don't have time, that's ok too! Cheers! CorporateM (Talk) 14:42, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

'C.M.', I'll be pleased to take a look. Dr Sall and I go way back and received my first training in a Los Angeles class taught by Dr Goodnight, John Sall, and Kathy Council in 1982. Great times! I'm mentioned in the first edition of the first JMP manual, and presented the first paper on what I called the SDE, Standard Deviation Ellipse. [12] Also, as it is "The International Year of Statistics", I'm thinking of editing the Wikipedia page on 'Statistics' and relating WP articles.

Here is something I wrote this morning for the daily note I send out:

[ED: 2013 is “The International Year of Statistics” (as a science)] … “The growing importance of statistical analysis is set to be a theme of next year, too, with more than 150 professional organizations worldwide, including the American Statistical Association, designating 2013 as the International Year of Statistics.” …

ED: I’m on the advisory board of and edit in Wikipedia. See also and ,
This includes statistical graphics, predictive models, and reporting stats. Some coin the term ‘Big Data’ and count on statistics to see meaning.

ED: I have a very special interest in ‘statistical graphics’ and ‘ellipses’ !

You bet! SAS/JMP told me you were involved in the SAS customer Wiki community and an expert on all things SAS/JMP. I think if I understand things correctly (I could be wrong) they do not participate on that Wiki.
Having a topic-expert involved is a huge asset on Wikipedia. Subject experts know what a fair article looks like, what sources are good for the topic at-hand, and so on. I actually noticed your name listed as an author on one of the conference papers I cited to fill out JMP's version history.
Anyways, a second draft is now posted on the Talk page incorporating the feedback we got and you're welcome to comment and/or boldly merge to article-space if you feel it's an improvement over the current. CorporateM (Talk) 14:21, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
I'll take a look. My reputation exceeds my expertise, but I'm a fairly good writer, with effort. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:33, 16 January 2013 (UTC)


  1. ^ Thomas H. White. "Mystique of the Three-Letter Callsigns". Retrieved 2011-7-15. 
  2. ^ "The Pasadena Tournament of Roses". Pasadena Tournament of Roses. Retrieved 2011-12-25. 
  3. ^ "Bio, Dr Benjamin Carson". John Hopkins University/Hospital.  Unknown parameter |refdate= ignored (help)

External links[edit]

Serious question[edit]

Why not edit at Conservapedia instead of Wikipedia? (talk) 11:14, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

My answer: Who????? Actually, I've visited there and have edited a little bit in Conservapedia. Not as much traffic there. Maybe I'll visit again at Christmas time. Here's a question back at you: "Do you want to establish yourself as a Wikipedia editor by creating your ID?" — Another not serious question for you: "Why do you say 'instead'? Would you rather I don't edit in Wikipedia? And why would that be?" — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 13:30, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
This is a test: Where's Waldo?Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:59, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter[edit]

Hey Charles Edwin Shipp. We've just rolled out a new version of the VisualEditor :). Changes and patches include:

  • Newly added templates now list their available parameters if TemplateData is available;
  • The load for the VisualEditor on apages is now 4 KiB, down from 119 KiB;
  • Feedback dialog is no longer chased off the screen by typing (bug 50538)
  • Fixed the Monobook issues around z-indexes (bug 50241)
  • Undoing an image resize doesn't make everything look bad
  • In the image dialog, "Caption content" is now just "Caption"
  • Tweaked tooltip references to VisualEditor to instead talk about "source mode"

Those are the big ones; more coming at the end of this week or early next week :). It's a short list, but the load issue took up a lot of time, as did TemplateData, and are both pretty big changes. If you've got any questions, drop them on my talkpage. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 01:17, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter[edit]

Hey Charles Edwin Shipp! We've just deployed some fixes to the VisualEditor. These include:

  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you're looking at (bug 49943)
  • "Edit" will load the latest version, not the version you edited last time if this is your second edit (bug 50441)
  • VE edit section links will load the latest, not original, version in diff view preview (bug 50925)
  • <big><big>Foo</big></big> and similar repeated tags will not get corrupted any more (bug 49755)

In the meantime, testing is proceeding well, and hopefully we can get some more fixes out over the next couple of days. If you're interested in helping out, we have a set of open tasks we'd really appreciate your assistance with :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 07:54, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Charles Edwin Shipp

We just deployed another VisualEditor release; bugs fixed include:

  • Firefox 13/14 has been temporarily blacklisted, to avoid the insertion of broken links [[./that look like this]] (50720)
  • Changing a reference in a template should no longer produce the bright red "you don't have a references block!" error (bugzilla:50423)
  • Notices are now shown if you're editing a protected or semi-protected page (bugzilla:50415)
  • The template inspector will no longer invite you to insert parameters that are already being used (50715)
  • Same as above, but with aliases (50717)
  • Parameter names in the template dialogue now word-wrap (50800)
  • The link inspector will not show in the top left if you hit the return key while opening it (49941)
  • Hitting return twice in the link editor will no longer introduce a new line that overwrites the link (51075)
  • Oddly-named categories no longer cause corruption (50702)
  • The toolbar no longer occasionally covers the cursor (48787)
  • Changing the formatting of text no longer occasionally scrolls you upwards (50792)

Not specific bugs, but other things; cacheing is now improved, so people should stop seeing temporary breaking when the VisualEditor updates, and RTL support has received some patches. I hope this newsletter is helpful to people; I'll send out another one with the next deployment :). Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 10:04, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Charles Edwin Shipp! Another set of patches :). Today we have:

  • Required template parameters are now automatically added to new templates (50747)
  • Templates with piped links now display correctly when you alter them (50801)
  • If your edit token expires, you're now informed of it (50424).
    You still won't be able to save - that's due to be fixed on Monday :).

More on Monday, I suspect. Hope you have a good weekend :). I should also have some news about the IP launch pretty soon. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:12, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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My favorite examples of Liberal Media Bias [deleted from Media bias by an administrator][edit]

I remember that Rush Limbaugh reported corruption in the UN two years before it was 'discovered' in more major media; Also, you will remember Sean Hannity was the first to report serverGate—Democrats plotting to smear Alberto Gonzalez; and my third example is this: CNN Piers Morgan interviewed Rachel Jeantell and she said she feared her boyfriend Trayvon Martin or his little brother would be assaulted by a GAY predator and that Trayvon was "not that kind of person." So it was not until noon the next day that this was mentioned. It may have never been mentioned, except for EIB. Are Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh smarter or is there a bias to not report? Mine is not a soapbox comment and I don't suggest changing the Article here, just this observation to bias the bias. ;-) — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 12:30, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

The wiser than you Rush Limbaugh says now that Liberals are perplexed: do they continue to support their race card? Or do they now support Zimmerman because Trayvon Martin was 'GAY-bashing'? Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 02:34, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Charles Edwin Shipp; hope you had a decent weekend :). We've got a pile of patches, some of which went out on Monday, some yesterday:

  • If you insert wikitext such as links or section headers, you get a notice in the top right corner (over the save button). It doesn't go away until click, though once dismissed you don't get another one that edit. (49820)
  • If your edit token expires, VE fetches a new one for you so you can save. (50424)
  • If the page is empty of content but does have something non-content (like a category or an HTML comment), VE no longer crashes on load - (50289)
  • sub tags are no longer removed ((49873)
  • If you type at the end of links, they now extend
  • Templates now only take a single click to insert
  • Clear annotations clears links (50461)
  • The link inspector stays open when you click to another item (50895)
  • Typing after multi-byte characters no longer creats pawn icons (51140)
  • Resizing thumbnails that have a default size set now works (50645)
  • References made by tag:ref now display properly (bugzilla:50978)
  • The VE is integrated with the spam blacklist (50826)
  • Feedbacl link goes to the right language (bugzilla:47730)

There are a lot more improvements coming, but that's it for Monday and Tuesday. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 08:14, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

VE newsletter[edit]

Hey Charles Edwin Shipp. The newest updates:

  • Links now don't extend over space/punctuation/workbreaks when you type (bugzilla:51463)
  • Users with the "minoredit" preference set get working functionality (bugzilla:51515)
  • You can tab to buttons in dialogs, including the save dialog (bugzilla:50047)
  • We now show the <newarticletext> (or <newarticletextanon>) message as an edit notice (bugzilla:51459)
  • You can scroll dialog panels like in transclusions' templates' parameter listings (bugzilla:51739)
  • Templates that only create meta-data and no display content at all (like Template:Use dmy dates) now can't be deleted accidentally or deliberately, but still don't show up (bugzilla:51322)
  • FlaggedRevisions integration (bugzilla:49699)
  • Edit summary will get the section title pre-added if you launched from a section edit link (bugzilla:50872)

Along with some miscellaneous language support fixes. That's all for today; as always, let us know if you spot more bugs. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 06 August 2013[edit]

It's been almost two weeks since the last newsletter, and a lot of improvements have been made during that time. The main things that people have noticed are significant improvements to speed for typing into long pages (bug 52012, scrolling (bug 52014 and deleting (bug 52013 on large pages. There have also been improvements to references, with the latest being support for list-defined references, which are <ref>s defined inside a <references> block (bug 51741 Users of Opera 12 and higher have had their web browser removed from the browser black-list, mostly as a result of work by a volunteer developer (bug 36000 Opera has not been fully white-listed yet, so these users will get an additional warning and request to report problems.

Significant changes were made to the user interface to de-emphasize VisualEditor. This has cut the use of VisualEditor by approximately one-third. You can read about these at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Updates/August 1, 2013, but they include:

  • Re-ordering links to the editors to put "Edit source" first and VisualEditor second
  • Renaming the link for VisualEditor to "Editbeta"
  • Disabling the animation for section editing.
  • Changing all labels for the classic wikitext editor to say "Edit source", regardless of namespace.

There have also been many smaller fixes, including these:

Most of the Wikimedia Foundation staff is traveling this week and next, so no updates are expected until at least August 15th. If you're going to be in Hong Kong for Wikimania 2013, say hello to James Forrester, Philippe Beaudette, and the other members of the VisualEditor team.

As always, if you have questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 23:26, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for 21 August 2013[edit]

Both VisualEditor and MediaWiki were upgraded recently. For VisualEditor, this is the long-awaited post-Wikimania update with many bug fixes and enhancements. Work also continues on speed at opening and during use, as well as on the bugs reported here and at other Wikipedias. The full report is at Mediawiki.

References are displaying properly, even when nested (bug 50749 or in image captions (bug 52427) Reference lists are now always fully populated with references (bug 50094). Firefox users can insert an existing reference in the first paragraph (bug 52159 Opera users no longer see corruption of categories when a reference was added (bug 50385).

Stray spaces are being stripped from the start of paragraphs to end one of the common <nowiki> problems (bug 51462 We also fixed a round-tripping bug that caused desirable whitespace in templates (used to make templates more legible, e.g., by putting each parameter in an infobox on a separate line) to get corrupted (bug 51150).

Wikilink handling was improved. Users are not allowed to create internal links to invalid titles (titles that are actually impossible due to limits on acceptable character combinations in titles, not redlinks) (bug 33094 You can extend wikilinks, but it won't do so over a wordbreak (like a space) (bugs 49931 and 51463).

A handful of fixes to the user interface were made. The toolbar doesn't float over personal tools after opening a dialog or the inspector (bug 52441 Toolbars were also re-written to be collapsible/expandable, with room for more icons. Buttons in dialogs can now be activated using the Tab and Shift+Tab key commands (bug 50047). This saves time for editors, because you don't need to take your hands off the keyboard to click a button. We fixed a handful of bugs that affected only certain articles or certain browsers, including toolbar buttons in Firefox (bug 51986) and dialog panels that didn't always scroll correctly (bug 51739). Bugs with undo/redo getting confused have been fixed (bug 52113

Images, in addition to getting references displaying correctly, also saw improvements with a set-empty |link= parameter no longer corrupted (51963). We corrected thumbnail images' display so that they look don't wrong in some contexts (bug 51995). Inserted images no longer explicitly set their alignment, but instead inherit the default position in compliance with the Manual of Style (bug 51851).

More edit notices, warnings, and metadata like information about Pending Changes on an article now appear as appropriate (bug 49699). When new articles are created, users are now shown the <newarticletext> message (bug 51459). VisualEditor now handles templates that set "meta" items (like a category) and nothing else better (bug 51322). If the database is locked when a user tries to save with VisualEditor, they now get a message telling them as such and an opportunity to try again, rather than a silent failure (bug 51636).

When you save the page, having the default preference set to "mark all my edits as minor by default" no longer overrides the setting in the save dialog (bug 51515). If you open VisualEditor from a section edit link, the section's title will be pre-filled in in the edit summary box when you go to save it (bug 50872). The size of the save dialog box in the Monobook skin has been fixed (bug 50058). Also, wikipage content handlers like sortable tables are re-run automatically after saving (bug 51565

A very early version of the mathematics equation editor is now available for testing on mw:Mediawiki. If you would like to help improve the user interface for math editor, please test out the extension at mw:Mediawiki:Sandbox and leave your comments directly at the discussion page for the Math Node User Interface at Mediawiki. You should be able to use your regular username and password should to login to Mediawiki.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 17:44, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 5[edit]

This Thursday's VisualEditor update was mostly about stability and performance improvements, and some preparatory work for major planned improvements, along with bug fixes for non-English language support and right-to-left text. Everything that the English Wikipedia received today has been running on Mediawiki for a week already.

Officially, the problem with the link inspector not linking to a specific section on a page (bug 53219) was fixed in this release, although that critical patch actually appeared here earlier.

A number of bugs related to copy-and-paste functionality were fixed (48604, bug 50043, bug 53362, bug 51538, among others). Full rich copy-and-paste from external sources into VisualEditor is expected "soon".

In other fixes, you can no longer add empty ref tags (<ref/>) (bug 53345). Selecting both an image and some text, and then trying to add a link, previously deleted the selected image and the text. This was fixed in bug 50127. There was another problem related to using arrow keys to move the cursor next to an inline image that was fixed (bug 53507).

Looking ahead: The next planned upgrade is scheduled for next Thursday, and you should expect to find a redesigned toolbar with drop-down menus that include room for references, templates, underline, strikethrough, superscript, subscript, and code formatting. There will also be keyboard shortcuts for setting the format (paragraph vs section headings).

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being determined at this time. Generally speaking, languages that depend on the input method editor are not going to receive VisualEditor this month. The current target date is Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:48, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for September 19, 2013[edit]

VisualEditor has been updated twice in the last two weeks. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week.

As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Ctrl+0 sets a block as a regular paragraph; Ctrl+1 up to Ctrl+6 sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Ctrl+7 sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Ctrl+2, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:53, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013[edit]

VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "Enable VisualEditor. It will be available in the following namespaces: $1".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or ← Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed. The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
  • Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
  • Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
  • File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
  • Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the Shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
  • Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
  • Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
  • Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through /wiki/Foobar?veaction=edit and /w/index.php?title=Foobar&veaction=edit both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
  • Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
  • Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
  • Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
  • Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
  • Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
  • Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching Wikipedia:TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
  • Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
  • Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ($wgVisualEditorParsoidForwardCookies set to true) (bug 44483). (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead:

  • VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
  • Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
  • In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done. Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:21, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Lindsey Vonn Talk Page[edit]

I have noticed you recent edits to Talk:Lindsey Vonn might be headed towards a forum style posts. You might want to look at WP:NOTFORUM. Thanks XFEM Skier (talk) 04:05, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

No one else noted the news; I leave it to others to add her comeback to the Article; thanks for noticing. — Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
As an update: the very photogenic and famous USA skier tried the positive attitude approach taught and exemplified to her by her soulmate, Tiger Woods; but it did not work out for her as well as for the golf tiger. FYI, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 14:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC) Dreams failed due to injuries.

VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved. This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation. Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings). If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use Control+ Shift+V or Command+ Shift+V (Mac).
  • Auto-numbered external links like [13] can now be edited just like any other link. However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
  • Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here. The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified. If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
  • There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters. Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
  • Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
  • It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally.  To do so, append ?veaction=edit to the end of the page name.  For example, change to to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:44, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:10, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:20, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (bug 54361
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the Ctrl+Alt+S or  Command+ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
  • You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing  Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
  • VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
  • When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
  • The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
  • The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
  • If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "Move" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "Edit source" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "Edit source" and "View history" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.
The drop-down menu is on the right, next to the search box.

Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Monday, 19 May 2014 at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this on your own page, subscribe at Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for accepting my advice. Cheers!-- Allied Rangoontalk smile 20:07, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. Wisdom prevails. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:31, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
Yeah! May the wisdom be within you! Cheers!-- Allied Rangoontalk 22:52, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

My most recent comments on M. Russell Ballard[edit]

Charles, I am posting here in the hopes that I may not be misunderstood. I am not trying to be difficult here. I just want to make sure that every cited source meets Wikipedia standards. And it wasn't clear to me how the source you cited proved that much of Ballard's ministry has been focused on missionary work. I agree with you that it has, but Wikipedia needs sources to prove it, which is why I have requested that you cite some of Ballard's conference talks on missionary work as evidence that much of his ministry has been focused on that subject. I also was a little taken aback that you neglected to address the questions and concerns I raised in my last posted comments. So if you could take another look at those comments and post a well thought-out reply, I'd love to hear your perspective on my questions. Again, I'm not trying to be difficult. As a Wikipedia editor who is also LDS, I have to respect Wikipedia guidelines and make sure that all submitted material meets Wikipedia standards. And I'm not sure your cited source alone is enough proof to substantiate that claim. Sorry to be difficult, but I'm stuck between a rock and a hard place. Please know that I have the greatest respect for you as an individual and as a Wikipedia editor and that my only desire is to ensure that correct procedures are followed to substantiate claims of cited sources. Please post any reply on the Ballard article talk page, as I don't typically check other users' talk pages for responses. Thanks, and please keep up the great work! --Jgstokes (talk) 02:44, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

I thought that putting in a few references would be 'over documenting' which is also a complaint from some editors. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:41, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for coaching; I'll probably have questions from time to time. The quote is from the introduction. via video of BYUtv and not from the transcript of Elder Ballard's talk. I'll say more in the TALK auxiliary page as you suggest. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 09:59, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Kevin S. Hamilton article nominated for deletion.[edit]

I am posting here to inform you, if you don't already know, that the article I started on Kevin S. Hamilton has been nominated for deletion. I have made my case for keeping the article on the relevant page, but was criticized for my comments. So while I will keep an eye on the way this develops, I don't intend to say more than I've already said. I wondered if you might be able to look over that AfD discussion and add your thoughts. If this page is deleted, I will have to question the notability of other articles written about current or former members of the Second Quorum of the Seventy. Anyways, just wanted to alert you to what was going on with that so you could comment if you choose. Perhaps you see this situation differently from me and have a better understanding of the policies and procedures involved. If you have any feedback on this comment, please leave it on my talk page, as I don't habitually check other users' talk pages for replies. Thanks. --Jgstokes (talk) 01:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014[edit]


Did you know?

VisualEditor - Editing References - Cite Pulldown.png

The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "Cite" menu, press "Cite" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "Cite" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Language" tool in the "Insert" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "Formula" item in the "Insert" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "<visualeditor-toolbar-cancel>" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Style text" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "Save page" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Terence M. Vinson and Gregory A. Schwitzer nominated for deletion.[edit]

Hey, I thought you'd like to know that the articles about Terence M. Vinson and Gregory A. Schwitzer have been nominated for deletion. I have made my case for keeping them and will leave it to the consensus to decide. If you'd care to comment, I'm sure your perspective, whatever it might be, would be welcome. Thanks for all your great work on Wikipedia! --Jgstokes (talk) 05:43, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

June 2014[edit]

Information icon Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did at Nationalism. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted or removed. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Administrators have the ability to block users from editing if they repeatedly engage in vandalism. Thank you. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 01:04, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

My edit was constructive and amplified the prior list of nations to consider. I do not appreciate your calling my edit vandalism. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:54, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
Uhm, try pointing that to his talk page? --Coo coo pigeon (talk) 04:56, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
This edit [14] does not seem constructive. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 15:59, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I see what you mean. The random characters (above my paragraph) are due to using this WIN8.1 computer and I did not know they had gone in that way. The bottom paragraph is what I intended. Sorry! I agree with your revert now. I wish I had my Macintosh back. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 02:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

The character formatting menu

Did you know?

The character formatting menu, or "Style text" menu lets you set bold, italic, and other text styles. "Clear formatting" removes all text styles and removes links to other pages.

Do you think that clear formatting should remove links? Are there changes you would like to see for this menu? Share your opinion at

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

The VisualEditor team is mostly working to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on weekly updates detailing recent work.

  • They have moved the "Keyboard shortcuts" link out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Within dialog boxes, buttons are now more accessible (via the Tab key) from the keyboard.
  • You can now see the target of the link when you click on it, without having to open the inspector.
  • The team also expanded TemplateData: You can now add a parameter type  "date" for dates and times in the ISO 8601 format, and  "boolean" for values which are true or false. Also, templates that redirect to other templates (like {{citeweb}}{{cite web}}) now get the TemplateData of their target (bug 50964). You can test TemplateData by editing mw:Template:Sandbox/doc.
  • Category: and File: pages now display their contents correctly after saving an edit (bug 65349, bug 64239)
  • They have also improved reference editing: You should no longer be able to add empty citations with VisualEditor (bug 64715), as with references. When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to replace it with another reference instead. 
  • It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor. Remember that inline images cannot display captions, so existing captions get removed. Many other bugs related to images were also fixed.
  • You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the "Page options" menu, rounding out the full set of page options currently planned.
  • The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler.

Looking ahead[edit]

The VisualEditor team has posted a draft of their goals for the next fiscal year. You can read them and suggest changes on

The team posts details about planned work on VisualEditor's roadmap. You will soon be able to drag-and-drop text as well as images. If you drag an image to a new place, it won't let you place it in the middle of a paragraph. All dialog boxes and windows will be simplified based on user testing and feedback. The VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for citations. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments and adding rows and columns to tables.

[The] Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints[edit]

Hello; because you commented in this discussion, I thought you might be interested in participating in this discussion. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Supporting your wiki[edit]

Please read VisualEditor/Citation tool for information on configuring the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". This menu will not appear unless it has been configured on your wiki.

If you speak a language other than English, we need your help with translating the user guide. The guide is out of date or incomplete for many languages, and what's on your wiki may not be the most recent translation. Please contact me if you need help getting started with translation work on

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Saturday, 19 July 2014 at 21:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas and Pacific Islands) or on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 9:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East, Asia).

To change your subscription to this newsletter, please see the subscription pages on Meta or the English Wikipedia. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Since....[edit]'ve already been active in editing and discussing America, and commented specifically in the section complaining about neutrality, you might want to participate in this noticeboard discussion and weigh in on the ongoing attempts to purge the page of all but leftist sentiment. This is supposed to be a neutral encyclopedia, not a one sided propaganda platform. There's not even a "Synopsis" section yet and all these liberal editors are interest in is making the "Reception" and other sections as negative as they can get away with. VictorD7 (talk) 05:03, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite. You are doing a great job there talking about the comment about the movie, "America: Imagine the world without her". It is ironic that the Liberalism in media gave us what the movie is talking about, and now reporting truth is called into question because it supports the movie. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 05:08, 23 July 2014 (UTC)


Limburger is something else. Once as a temp, I had to listen to him for hours and hours. Thanks. BTW: your quotes are a bit askew, perhaps go over it a bit? Maybe italicise? Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 08:59, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

I cut and pasted the quote from his website, which is as he spoke (informally), not edited. Thanks for the comment. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 15:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

He still uses the term, now in reference to the furor over NFL player misbehavior with 'Feminist' over-reaction. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—July and August 2014[edit]


The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on weekly updates detailing recent work.

Screenshot of VisualEditor's link tool
Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

  • Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
  • You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
  • All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "Cite" menu, including the "Basic" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "Insert" menu. The "<visualeditor-dialogbutton-referencelist-tooltip>" is still added via the "Insert" menu.
  • When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
  • All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
  • The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
  • The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead[edit]

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities[edit]

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2014 (UTC)