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Welcome to Wikipedia![edit]

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Accentuation[edit]

Thank you very much for your message (citing the Académie française) about the accentuation of French capital letters. As you can see, I was right in writing that the French do not use the accents on capitals for reasons they understand better than I, as is explained on the Académie française's website. Since the Académie holds this however to be incorrect, I will use henceforth the correct spelling with accents. Kraxler 15:03, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

List of important operas[edit]

Hi. I see you're working on List of important operas. Before you go any further, would you please read the selection criteria for inclusion. We had to work long and hard to devise a way of choosing which operas to put there that would conform to Wikipedia's policy on neutral point of view. The only way we could do it was to collate lists of important operas published in books on the subject. In other words, we didn't get to pick which ones we wanted ourselves. I admit this is unsatisfactory in many, many ways but it was the only means we could find to have such a list on Wikipedia. Further details on the page. Thank you and sorry for any inconvenience. --Folantin (talk) 09:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

NB: Both Dafne and Euridice are already on the page in the section on "Significant firsts in opera" [1]. --Folantin (talk) 09:41, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
My reply on the talk page (which is probably the best place for this, since others will no doubt have their say): "Both Dafne and Euridice are included in the "Significant firsts in opera history" section at the bottom, as is Lully's Cadmus et Hermione (on possibly arguable grounds but, yes, we need a Lully opera on the page). Don't get me wrong, I agree with you wholeheartedly about the omissions (I really wanted Charpentier's Médée too, for instance). It is deeply unfair to the Baroque era, which is probably my favourite area of opera, but please blame the sources not me. Believe me, this was the only way we could find of making this comply with WP:NPOV. As I've said elsewhere, this list is neutral because nobody is happy with it". --Folantin (talk) 10:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
(Trust me, it really hurts me to remove a Cavalli opera from that page, but I can't see what else we can do). --Folantin (talk) 10:02, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I have the Rousset recording of Roland and it's great. The mad scene and the "supernatural" music are wonderful too. If it were my list, things would be very different (Leclair's Scylla et Glaucus would be there, for instance). I often find these "100 Top X" irritating and this is no exception, but sadly we have to work within the limitations of Wikipedia policy. Anyway, on the bright side, one of my plans for 2008 is to try to ensure that all our articles on 17th and 18th century French opera are up to scratch. Easier said than done! --Folantin (talk) 10:32, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
PS: You might find this list of tragédies en musique a little more to your taste [2]. One day, fingers crossed, we'll have articles on all those works. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 10:38, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, remember those are just operas defined as tragédies en musique (that's why Acis et Galatée isn't there either). --Folantin (talk) 10:59, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
I replied on Moreschi's talk page. Wickedly, on second thoughts, I was tempted to leave your version up as long as possible! --Folantin (talk) 11:29, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Cherubini[edit]

Salut. I took the comment about Les A being Cherubini's "last serious opera" straight from my source. On the other hand, as you say, there is Ali Baba. I've never heard any of it apart from the overture and I've always assumed it was comic, perhaps because of the association of Ali Baba with pantomime in the UK. I will do a bit more research (as far as I remember, the opera was mercilessly ridiculed by Berlioz in his "Memoirs"), but it does look as though that statement could be a little questionable. As for "standard", according to my dictionary it's the correct translation of étendard. In English, a standard is not just any old flag but implies a military banner. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 13:02, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

L'inganno felice[edit]

I simply took the translation of the title from The Viking Opera Guide. According to my Italian dictionary, the primary meaning of felice is indeed "happy", but it also has a secondary meaning of "lucky, fortunate". Although the opera is a farsa, it isn't particularly comic so I think the main sense is a "deception which turned out for the best". Therefore I would stick with the current title.

Incidentally, it looks like Marc-Antoine Charpentier and André Campra are to be Composers of the Month for April at Project Opera. You might be interested. Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 10:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Franco-Provencal[edit]

Hi there, just letting you know that Franco-Provencal has been added to WP:France. Regards, Lazulilasher (talk) 19:34, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Henry Février[edit]

Sur quelles sources vous appuyez-vous pour affirmer ceci "Février ceased composing music in the 1930s" ? Ne serait-il pas plus juste de dire dans les années 1940's ? cf. les compositions Estampes japonaises (1938), Hymne à la nature (1943), Etude pour tuba (1947) ou encore Neige, blancheur de la mort (1948). Liette1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Liette1

Kansas City, Missouri[edit]

Just wanted to let you know that you've done some good work on Kansas City, Missouri and related pages and also to invite you to join WikiProject Kansas City if you would like. Thanks Grey Wanderer (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Hello, please do not change the Kansas City picture. That one picture we had I took and was up there for at least a year. The picture I had shows more of the tall buildings and makes the city look grander. The one you took was good, but was is not commonly associated with our skyline, and also does not look as presentable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.136.142.218 (talk) 18:20, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

2345 Grand[edit]

Nice photo of 2345 Grand -- far better than anything I ever expected. Thanks! Americasroof (talk) 10:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

To Mr Americasroof: De rien ! It is nothing; I'm glad you like it. I will take more photos of Kansas City - buildings and sites - and add them over the next few weeks. So many could be better. You will see more. Tchao. Charvex (talk) 10:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
You do such a great job. Would you mind snapping one of the Shawnee Methodist Mission. Thanks! Americasroof (talk) 11:22, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I will try. I do not go to into that state often. Anything else? Bien amicalement. Charvex (talk) 17:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
It's probably less than a mile into Kansas and on the Shawnee Mission Parkway (which is the western extension of Ward Parkway from the Plaza. When I was in KC I never realized the importance of it. Anyway, there's no rush and do it at your convenience (if at all). Other articles that need a photo is Commerce Trust Building (which is close to the Commerce Tower but a different building). Probably the most important location in the KC area that lacks a photo is the headquarters of Sprint in Overland Park (of course that's in deepest darkest wheatland). Another article that needs an illustration is the Kansas City Southern headquarters at 427 West 12th on Quality Hill. I'm just pointing them out since you did such a great job. Lots of folks in KC take for granted 2345. Thanks again. Americasroof (talk) 20:41, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I didn't realize that Jarvis Hunt had designed Commerce Trust Building, or that it was significant. I will take the photo, and of KC Southern. (By the way, why hasn't anyone written an article about Hunt?... International reputation, buildings coast-to-coast in the U.S., urban design for Chicago, et alia. Wikipédiens must not like him. (How about an article about him by you? - smile.) - - - Also, I am stunned that the article about George Kessler does not even mention Kansas City, except to say he married a Kansas Ciy woman (I will not touch that cliché!). Kansas City is arguably Kessler's finest, most complex, and satisfying urban design (and how about the beautiful plan for Tulsa, for that matter). Kansas City's urban plan certainly is equal to Cincinnati and Cleveland, and is far superior to Dallas, El Paso, Indianapolis, and Denver. Oh well... To quote William Marcy, « To the victor belongs the spoils »; the victor, in this case, by population size being Dallas, who claims Kessler as its own. Simply criminal. Tchao. Charvex (talk) 02:20, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
Charvex: Do you live in KC or just visit? (I live in NYC and I've been paying a lot of history visits during trips back to see the family). I took a bunch of photos of 2345 last time but never got around to posting them. But your photo was hands down was much better. Thanks for the Kessler heads up. A lot of time I write articles when digging down I find red links. Since Kessler was not red, I didn't realize it was so bad. I'll try to correct that (if you don't get to it first). Fixing Wikipedia mistakes motivates me more than I wish it would. I think I started to do a Jarvis Hunt article but never quite got around to it. One thing that is kind of a cool about the Commerce Building is that when it opened it was 17-stories (and the tallest building in KC). It opened in the same year as the year when the musical Oklahoma! is set. So it's possible that when they're singing "Everything's is up to Kansas City" and talking building a seven story building it could well have been the Commerce building (seven rhymes better than 17!). But that's Original Research and I can't put it in. Once you start doing histories one thing leads to another.Americasroof (talk) 18:08, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

KC skyline pic[edit]

I've put both pics up for debate at Talk:Kansas City, Missouri. Grey Wanderer (talk) 18:43, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

More photo requests[edit]

Hi Charvex. As always I appreciate everything you do. Here's some more items if you feel up to it. Please don't feel an obligation to do it. Thanks. Americasroof (talk) 18:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

OK. I will try to do them for you sometime. (I thought « Kansas City Assembly » was a religious organization. I was very surprised to see this is the name of a place to manufacture cars! I looked at the Ford website linked on the page. They call it « Kansas City Assembly Plant ». Perhaps this last word is useful to add to the title of the article, since Ford uses the word « Assembly » as an adjective to « Plant »? You know best. - - Where do you want me to post the photo of the ruins of your KC Playhouse when I take it? (Also, I must ask. What does the your name « Americasroof » mean?) Tchao! Charvex (talk) 06:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. The Assembly name was there before I started editing. You prompted me to move it to the correct name. Thanks! Americasroof is from my website americasroof.com which was a guide to the highest points in the United States. It has been used as a reference on several wiki pages. My site sprawled over 10+ years and is now being hit with a denial of service attack and so I've had to pull it. DOS are difficult to stop. There's a vulnerability somewhere in the site and I have to rebuild it and I can't bring myself to do that right now. Thanks again.Americasroof (talk) 10:50, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Racialist nonsense[edit]

Dear Charvex,

There's a discussion going on the talk page of the category "French people of German descent" again. Would you care to contribute? It would be good to have several people arguing for the deletion of this category. Feketekave (talk) 05:06, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Sisyphus[edit]

Je suis plus ou moins completement d'accord avec toi. Neanmoins - il faut commencer d'un lieu ou l'autre. Celui-ci me parait assez convenable; les consequences de la pensee nationale allemande de coloration raciale sont assez evidents meme pour ceux qui ne veux pas voir ses similarites avec ses homologues non-allemands. Ton aide serait appreciee. On vera. Feketekave (talk) 00:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

PS. Can we speak in French, or is this considered disruptive? Feketekave (talk) 00:54, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for help with George Auriol[edit]

Thanks for the helpful additions and edits. I have just put up one on Auriol (typeface) but it may be doomed to be a stub forever.  J L G 4 1 0 4  02:32, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Et merci beaucoup aussi pour votre aide avec l'article sur la police de caractères Auriol. (sorry if my French is not so good)  J L G 4 1 0 4  12:41, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Populous (architects)[edit]

Hi Chavex: Would you mind taking a photo of the headquarters of Populous (architects) at 300 Wyandotte in the River Market? The description of the building makes it sound like it should be fun. Thanks! Here's a link http://www.crefeed.com/content/img/f203727/HOK_KC_Dusk_Shot.jpg The description of the building says it has a grandstand somewhere. It's absolutely amazing that the company is located in KC. (talk) 11:04, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Splitting Requiem[edit]

You mentioned some time ago that you intended to split the requiem article. It seems there is consensus, but you have not done so. Are you waiting for something? Otherwise, I might do it. Mintrick (talk) 19:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Ahnentafel[edit]

Thank you for your corrections on the article about Michael Eytzinger. Usually I only make small editions on articles about History of Portugal or Portuguese personalities on the Wikipedia in English. I’ve made this one just because I’ve made the articles about Michäel Eytzinger, Jerónimo de Sosa and Stephan Kekulé von Stradonitz on the Wikipedia in Portuguese, and I’ve noticed that those links where in red on the Ahnentafel article in other languages. So I began to make a condensed version of these articles in French, Spanish and English (Stradonitz is still missing in English). As English is not my native language, if you’ll be kind to correct also Jeronimo de Sosa article, I’ll thank you for that. Greetings Espadeiro (talk) 10:14, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Stephan Kekulé von Stradonitz also done! Espadeiro (talk) 16:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
Salut Charvex! Merci pour votre révision de mes articles, mais vous éxagerez en ce qui concerne mon anglais; je suis flatté. Je ne me débrouille pas mal en anglais, mais je prends trop longtemps pour écrire et je ne suis pas toujours certain si une frase est correcte ou la plus naturelle quand quand j’écris dans une langue qui n’est pas la mienne. Je m’éxcuse si je me permets de vous écrire en français, mais c’est parce-que (si je ne me trompe pas) j’ai déduit que vous étes français habitant aux États-Unis, ou bien américain d’origine française. Amitiés. Espadeiro (talk) 20:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Map[edit]

Okay, I get your point: maybe the French map is better. By the way what do you think about the possible move? I'd love all comments. ChrisDHDR 11:06, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Move[edit]

Keyword Google Results
Arpetan 335,000
Arpitan 1,950,000
Franco-provençal 558,000
francoprovençal 355,000

Do you know that francoprovençal is a neologism too? It was invented by Graziadio Ascoli in 1873. So whether Arpitan is a neologism or not doesn't really change anything vis à vis Francoprovençal. Also, about the spelling, there is also francoprovençal, franco-provençal: so the fact that you could choose between them when you made the article means we can for Arpi/etan as well. And it won't be very hard: a google battle shows a clear preference for Arpitan

By the way you wanted to know if there were any books on the subject: a quick google book search doesn't show much. There is Le français et les langues historiques de la France which has a nice chapter on this language, and French, from dialect to standard which has interesting snippits on the subject. Finally there is Linguistic composition of the nations of the world which might make you want to rethink the estimation in the infobox and this book which uses the very weird "Harpitanya" (now where did they get that from?)

PS: You seem to know an awful lot on this language, do you study it?

Oh well, cheers, ChrisDHDR 10:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess we can have it that way. Tho I'll redo the intro and language of the name to make it a bit clearer. ChrisDHDR 15:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
You seem to be dead against Arpitan, however you can't not notice that it is frp:Arpetan. The old intro was very ununderstandable due to all those language links, the new one explains it all clearly. Now I understand that it may be Arpitan and not Arpetan; if you don't like it, fine. Just change it. Don't "own" the article and say your version is better. ChrisDHDR 16:35, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Formatting coordinates[edit]

I've formatted some of the coordinates you have added to Mercer County, Missouri, as examples of how to format coordinates for display within article text. You can see how to format coordinates in general at WP:COORD. -- The Anome (talk) 11:07, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Vel' d'Hiv Roundup[edit]

Hello, I've posted a reply at Talk:Vel' d'Hiv Roundup but in short I'm now convinced that the current title is good enough. Thanks. LovesMacs (talk) 17:39, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

re: César Award Template[edit]

Thanks. The succession boxes are generally being replaced by the nav templates, and are being removed entirely from actor/director articles too. Lugnuts (talk) 09:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

translation of "La Marseillaise" title[edit]

On July 15, 2010, you edited the translation of the title "La Marseillaise" from "The [Song] of Marseille" to "The [Song of] Marseille". I do not know French well, but isn't the word Marseillaise an adjective, meaning of Marseille, in the style of Marseille, or something similar? (I'm thinking of Lyonnaise, Bordelaise and similar adjectives as examples.) Marseillaise is not technically a noun, an alternate form of the name Marseille, is it? If it is true that Marseillaise is an adjective and not a noun, then La Marseillaise would be translated literally (and very awkwardly) into English as The of-Marseille. (I put the hyphen between of and Marseille to indicate that both English words are inherent in the single French word Marseillaise, but the hyphen would never appear there in actual use.) But since English - unlike French - does not allow a definite article and an adjective to stand alone without a noun, a noun must be inserted where it can be simply implied in French. The noun that fits best here is Song, and since of is already contained in the adjective Marseillaise, only the word Song should be enclosed in square brackets. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I will not undo your edit unless you approve. Thanks. --Jim10701 (talk) 21:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

You are not correct. I replied to this on your page. Tchao ! Charvex (talk) 10:57, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm not going to copy your excellent response here, but anyone who wants to read it can do so on my talk page. I understand your point: Marseillaise in this case is a noun, not an adjective; and it refers to a garrison named for the city, not to the city itself, changed from the masculine Marseillais to the feminine Marseillaise because here it refers to a song; thanks for the explanation. (I am a native English speaker, by the way, and your English is fine - a lot better than my French.)
Your mentioning New Yorker gave me an idea of how best to fix the problem here. English does lack demonyms for many places in France (and elsewhere: Madrid is an example of one that is not in France, and there are others all over the world; Cairo, Beijing, Bangkok and Tokyo come to mind as well - and even Dallas. English has a hard time forming adjectives from place names, although a demonym for any place can be forced by adding -ite, -an, etc, onto the name; so we could legitimately fabricate Marseillian as a demonym for Marseille if we wanted to).
But one nice feature of English is that practically any noun can be used as an adjective by simply placing it before the noun it modifies: New York Times, car seat, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, army unit, Dallas Cowboys, basketball goal, London Bridge, English speaker, etc (although the last example is ambiguous since English can be either an adjective referring to England or a noun referring to its language; I am not English, but I am a native speaker of the language).
If we translate La Marseillaise as The Marseille [Song] instead of as either The [Song of] Marseille or The [Song] of Marseille, we preserve Marseillaise as a noun but give it the adjectival sense it needs in English, and we don't have to decide where to put the word of. That construction also has the advantage of simply identifying the word Song as having some unspecified connection to the word Marseille, but it need not be a connection directly to the city itself; it could be a garrison named Marseillais that was itself named for the city but was located somewhere else.
That seems to me like the best solution. I will make the change in the article. I will also copy this discussion onto its talk page. Thanks very much.--Jim10701 (talk) 14:03, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Nice job![edit]

Hi Charvex. Just wanted to pass along a little pat on the back for the recent copy edit & photos you contributed to Milan, Missouri and Sullivan County, Missouri. Much appreciated. Sector001 (talk) 20:58, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

1900s couturiers[edit]

Hey - you're doing great work with the turn of the century couture houses, especially all your outstanding work on Madeleine Chéruit! Just wanted to say that. Are you going to do an article for Georges Doeuillet? There are other names from the same period that come to mind that I've been thinking need articles, such as Madeline Laferrière (who opened in 1869, making her probably the first major female couturier rather than Paquin or Lucile...) and Gustave Beer but I never seem to have the time, and very few Wikipedians seem to be bothered about fashion designers that aren't currently regularly appearing in Vogue... Mabalu (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Salut! Just looked at the Musée Galliera article. On an initial readthrough, I can tell you that I think it's really well written, but it - I'm sure you realise this - does need sources/references. Mabalu (talk) 01:48, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Four Maries[edit]

Salut! Sorry if my comment caused you any upset, irritation or even pain, for which I apologise. Why tell me about English? As far as I'm aware the traditional Scottish spelling of the plural of Mary is Maries. We Scots are just like you French. We are a bit touchy when it comes to the Anglicisation of our language. However, the difference is, we have lost the battle; you are still fighting it. In changing the reference to the Four Maries I was carrying out what the military would call a rearguard action for the benefit of Scots who, I would argue, have the best claim to the spelling! I recently did the same on a German website where the song Johnnie Cope was given as Johnny Cope (which is all right if you are pro-Hanoverian and living in London). I know about the quirks of French lacking the 'y' and 'w'. We fight a constant linguistic battle here to restore the name of our native royal dynasty to Stewart against the predominance of 'Stuart', which came in the back-door from England via France. You will see Marys more often in print, because the perfidious English out-publish us. Kim Traynor (talk) 08:33, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

p.s. Scots dictionary entry: fower ['fʌu(ə)r, SW. fuwr] adj. Four. fowert, 4t Fourth. fowerteen Fourteen. fowerteent, 14t Fourteenth. fowerty Forty. fowertiet, 40t ['fʌu(ə)rtɪ(ə)t] Fortieth. Nothing to do with Saxons. Paradoxically, we're Angles up here, still speaking bits of Old English, unlike the Normanised English. Kim Traynor (talk) 10:51, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Henry Greenway's Harps[edit]

Greetings. You have added to the article on the National Music Museum in Vermillion, South Dakota the mention (as a photograph caption) that the Henry Greenway double-necked harp in that museum is one of the only two ones still in existence. Could you let me know of your source? I've located what seem to be pictures of at least three different such instruments. Of course it is possible that lighting conditions may make one instrument appear very different from one photograph to another, so I'm not absolutely sure those are indeed all photographs of distinct instruments. And that's precisely why I'm inquiring with you. Thank you in advance for your help. You may answer on your talk page. I'm watching it. Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 13:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

A votre avis, est-ce que la harpe que vous avez photographiée à Vermillion et celle-ci sont la même harpe? Elles devraient, puisqu'elles sont-toutes les deux à au NMM et comme ce musée n'en a qu'une... Mais les photos semblent tellement différentes. Puisque vous êtes photographe, se peut-il qu'une simple différence d'éclairange explique la différence d'aspect? Notez qu'il y est dit à cette page que Henry Greenway était "inventor and sole maker" Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 15:29, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
"I believe the other Henri Greenway harp of this type is in the collection of the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, which is really digging deep in my mind, but I think it is correct." Ce l'est tout à fait, en effet. Voyez l'article Henry Greenway. Amicalement. Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 06:22, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on the Henry Greenway article. I've added a few days back a paragraph about his harps to Cross-strung harp and I'll try to improve that article along the same lines. As to the WikiPolice you don't even know how right you are! Within 2 mins of my creating that page that f@#$&r Mediran had already put up the article for speedy deletion! Then it took me 32 mins (what a waste of time) to convince him that he was wrong so he ended up reverting himself and removing his "speedy deletion", but in order not to lose face he had to leave that template about "notability". I thought I'd leave it at that, even though even that was not justified (you took it out later), but not before telling him on his talk page what I thought of his hyper-activism. This is not the first time. That guy really tends to shoot first and ask questions later. Plus, I've got the feeling his relationship to the English language is not entirely trouble free. And what are his substantial contributions to Wikipedia? Stuff about his high school in Manila, and about Bob the Sponge! Cheerios. Signed: Basemetal (write to me here) 03:55, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

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