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Early dynasty pages[edit]

Hi Chewings72. Nice to get an opportunity to talk to you this way. I'm looking forward to seeing your contributions. As a start, besides Verner who would be a good source for the discussion about Nimaethap, Nebka, Sanakht etc? I think you're right that a more detailed discussion may be in order. The time is complicated and the experts sometimes disagree, but it would be nice to clean up that segment on Wikipedia. Any thoughts? --AnnekeBart (talk) 13:42, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments. I am an amateur historian who has only recently decided to get involved in reviewing the articles on Wikipedia dealing with Ancient Egypt.
So I am dependent on the expertise of others on issues such as the likely date that events happened in ancient Egypt and the duration and order of individual Kings' reigns.
I have noticed that some articles use Shaw as the basis of calculating dates, while you make reference to Verner. I have noticed that a site set up by Dariusz Sitek called "Ancient Egypt - History and Chronology" (http://www.narmer.pl/indexen.htm) provides a very thorough bibliography of writers on the various Egyptian dynasties. In this regard, I note that there are variations of up to 100 years in the dates of the reigns for the various pharaohs from the third Dynasty.
What worries me is that various authors of different Wikipedia articles about the early Dynasties in Egypt are quite happily using different dates because they refer to different authors as their primary source(s). So when I was exploring the issue of the order of the pharaohs of the third Dynasty, one of my frustrations was trying to determine which authority (or authorities) was the best.
Therefore, I wonder whether somebody needs to unilaterally make a decision about a particular author to use as the basis for dates and as the basis for the order of the early pharaohs for all the relevant Wikipedai articles, even if that decision is somewhat arbitrary.
Given that I have only recently decided to get involved in looking at the articles in Wikipedia dealing with the early Egyptian Dynasty's, do you know if this issue been dealt with in the past or whether there is a contributor to Wikipedia who is able to help guide this discussion? --Chewings72 (talk) 10:40, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm an amateur historian as well. The problem with the dating is an interesting one. It seems to me that the best we may be able to do is to provide the different dates given by scholars? For the early dynastic and old kingdom periods all they are able to do is estimate and I noticed too that the dates can differ by a century or more. I think for as far as the 3rd dynasty goes, it's not just the dates that are in question. The order of the kings is as well (from what I understand). My impression is that as an online encyclopedia Wikipedia should reflect the different theories. The sources should be listed so that an interested person can investigate further.
I think someone like Dougweller, Alensha or Leoboudv would know more about the history of this issue and if any consensus has been reached about how to deal with it. --AnnekeBart (talk) 13:59, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
I just looked at Wilkinson's book about early dynastic Egypt and there is a very nice discussion by him about the chronology of the 3rd dynasty. The King lists (Abydos, Turin, etc) all give a sequence starting with Nebka, then Djoser etc. The archaeological data contradicts that order however. I hopefully will have some time over the weekend, but maybe the clearest thing to do is to write into the article about the 3rd dynasty something about the issues about the chronology of this list of kings and explain what the problems are. Lehner seems to stick to the order of kings as outlined in the king lists, Verner, Wilkinson, Helck seem to favor a chronology which places Sanakht closer to the end of the dynasty. I think our job is not to choose one interpretation but provide a description of the state of knowledge. And if that includes different interpretations, then that's what should be written into the article. --AnnekeBart (talk) 14:26, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Hi AnnekeBart. I agree with your views on the best way forward. I had a quick look at the current Wikipedia article on the Third dynasty of Egypt. It currently has a fairly brief discussion about the ordering of the pharaohs and really does not discuss the dates issue. Rather it focusses on using the Shaw dates with a degree of preciseness that belies the challenges of dating any event from the 3rd dynasty. How did your weekend homework go?? --Chewings72 (talk) 11:23, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, I did a first run at the Third dynasty of Egypt article. I need to rework it somewhat, but this at least puts a list of kings with links up there with some explanation of the difficulties inherent in studying this time period. --AnnekeBart (talk) 13:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
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Biography project talk page revision[edit]

Hi you incorrectly attributed the comments you reverted to me - if you look you will see it was anon user I responded to the previous post Thruxton (talk) 06:14, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think there is some confusion. I did not revert your contribution regarding Ralph Regenvanu. Nor did my comment imply that you had made the change I reverted. Rather I reverted an inappropriate entry by an anonymous contributer - 212.183.140.23. As the explanation to my action says: "Revert to revision 406891836 dated 2011-01-09 16:15:15 by Thruxton using popups", that is return the section back to the version as updated by Thruxton. You will see that your entry is unaffected by my action. --Chewings72 (talk) 06:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Concernings[edit]

If you are concerned about my edits, why don´t you talk with ME about? Or is it common here to talk only behind other´s back obout them??? There´s truely no single reason to mistrust my works just because my sources are not english. disappointed, --Nephiliskos (talk) 03:48, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, no offence intended. My apologies for not writing to you directly. I was asking a person who has been contributing for quite a while on Egyptian articles for a check of your changes, not criticising your input. I added my comments since you had made your comments there. I think that was reasonable as supported by how quickly you have responded to my comment. The reason for my concern is your references to "Teti II" and other related references that don't seem to have links to any royalty or nobles included in existing Wikipedia articles. --Chewings72 (talk) 04:06, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I answered at my page. I´m sorry. Greetings; --Nephiliskos (talk) 04:35, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
Thank you. All is fine now. All the best with your studies :) Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 04:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Djeseretnebti[edit]

Hi. I´m sorry, but according to the Abydos kinglist the direct successor of Djoser (Hor-Netjerichet) is called "Teti", who´s identified with Hor-Sekhemkhet. Egyptologist normally call him "Teti II.", since "Teti I." is the same as "Athotis". The kinglist for the 3rd dyn. is spelled in the Abydos-list as following: Nebka, ...djeser, Teti, Sedjes and Neferkarê. --Nephiliskos (talk) 10:25, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

I was using the Wikipedia article on the third dynasty kings which has the order and names of the kings based on Toby A.H. Wilkinson, in his 2001 book "Early Dynastic Egypt". Thus my confusion. Clearly, the name and order of the kings of this period is subject to much speculation and guess work. So please write the article as you think best reflects the evidence. Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 11:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Weneg (pharaoh)[edit]

Thx for yer help. ;-) best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Seth-Peribsen[edit]

Hi there. Srry, I simply had forgotten the refs for the section "Political motivations". They are in now. What do you think of the article as such? best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:43, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Hi.^^ Thx for your great response. You are like so welcome to my page! I´m always happy if someone helps me out. Yes, as readable at mah homepage, German is my mother-language. The Englisch I learned, differs from what is called "school english" in my country. I´ve learned pub-english thx to a acquaintance who´s British. And, yes, as you already noticed, I have still some problems with "curatorial English". I rlly hope to be able to solve them one day... I´m truely srry, if my articles cause some circumstances, but I rlly don`t know it better yet. I often don`t know how to translate without a lost of meanings and contents hidden in the diction.
I´m a total geek for Early Dynastic Egypt. That´s why I started to write articles in de.Wikipedia. But I also saw the articles here. I´m not up to critisize the works of the authors here, but many articles about early Egyptian kings are in a lamentable state! The next thing is that english literature - as far mah experiences reach - often content too less informations or simply repeat overaged theories. Some few exceptions are Toby a. Wilkinson, Miriam Lichtheim and the page of Francesco Raffaele. In fact, there are more german books and magazines, that are constantly up-to-date. Egyptologists such as Wolfgang Helck, Nicholas Grimal, Thomas Schneider, Silke Roth, Rainer Stadelmann and Hermann Alexander Schlögl are worldwide known for their excellent writing works.
Of course I see the linguistic problems. Many English peoples don`t speak and read German, whilst many Germans don`t have a command of a good Englisch. But in my humble opinion it´s just a question of will and want to cooperate, so that articles with an always up-to-date content can be written and presented. I rlly hope that I can manage to be able to present good works.
With best regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 08:29, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Senedj[edit]

Mah next "victim". ;-) best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 15:39, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Thou are such a great help! Thx!!!^^ --Nephiliskos (talk) 08:28, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Raneb[edit]

And on we go... :D --Nephiliskos (talk) 12:53, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Meanwhile I get problems. It looks like mah hieroglyphic boxes are not welcome. --Nephiliskos (talk) 19:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
Just wanted to thank Chewings72 for doing the copyedit on the Raneb article. Much appreciated! When I have the time I will take a closer look at the edits myself and will see if I can add anything to them. Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 13:27, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Request[edit]

Hi, Chewings72!^^ I wonder if it made sense to discuss the new hiero-boxes I used to present the names of the early kings. I see some problems with the older boxes:

  • No horus-name, no gold-name, no nebtj-name... NOTHING. The old boxes give no useful information, and if so, these informations are redundant, incorrect or incomplete.
  • The old boxes call upon the mommahs and poppahs of the early kings. This is highly problematic, since Egyptologists are pretty unsure about any interfamiliar kinships. Few exception are queen Meritneith and queen Hetep-herj-nebtj (the mom of Djoser). Their names appear on seal impressions, together with their titles declaring them as king´s moms. Yes, I know, the Palermostone calles some king´s mommahs, too. But their identities are questioned, because their names do not appear in the early dynastic tombs.
  • The German boxes I use beat us the opportunity to present all important names of the early kings in words and signs. In german Wikipedia a broad palette of different hiero-boxes also give the chance to even sho titles and rare name forms.

It´s not about meh, ok... I rlly just wonder if it was possible to introduce and use the new boxes instead of the old ones. I´m sure that you will agree with meh after taking a closer look tot it. With best regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 17:41, 25 September 2011 (UTC)PS: I please everyone to respond at mah talk page, so I get it when You are on.

Seeking Your Opinion on Updating the Pharaoh Infobox[edit]

Hello there:

Just wanted to point out a proposed change to the Pharaoh infobox that I have made, and would value your opinion on.

Cheers! Captmondo (talk) 16:24, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

List of kings of Babylon - edits by anon[edit]

I hadn’t edited this page yet, as I had already corrected the Kassite monarch list sections on the Mesopotamia Dynasty list, Kassites and Short chronology timeline pages and felt that this just duplicated the information. Anon’s edits seem OK, although describing Dynasty V as Kassite is definitely a minority view, and Shutruk-Nahhunte overthrew Zababa-shuma-iddin and not Enlil-nadin-ahi.BigEars42 (talk) 11:08, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi, according to Georges Roux in Ancient Iraq, Dynasty V was Kassite, he may be wrong of course. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.116.120 (talk) 21:44, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hi. ;-) I´d like to know where I could expand the Pharaoh´s list that appear for example in Peribsen. Some of the 2nd dynasty kings are missing there. cheers; --Nephiliskos (talk) 21:21, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Thankie!^^ Meanwhile I was VERY busy. I thought some kind of "congress" was good in whih everyone who assisted and advised meh so generously shall be there, to discuss the up-to-date sutuation. Is my administrating the new box good? Are there still questions? Pls take some moments and join the discussion. Thx. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 18:09, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
I have answered at mah page, together with a question. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 10:05, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Imhotep´s dreams[edit]

Hi. Oh, oh, oh...! Oh my, the source for the article´s text is ANCIENT! 1923???? That was even before Hitler! That´s a no-no, such overaged sources CAN be used, but then it shall be said, that it is overaged and it shall be used only together with an up-todate source! Who knows, the overaged translation might be overaged, too. I will study the Neferkasokar-story again, maybe I´ll find some infos about Imhoteps dream? Besides, I´m curious, does Imo really appear in the famine-stela? I always thought its about king Djoser who was admonished by Khnum to sacrifise him "all good things" so the god would make the nile flow again...? Hmmmmm... At least I think its worth a research. Thx! Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

And soon I found something.^^ Looks like I better re-write the articles about Imhotep and the famine-stela. The half of the information IS overaged and wrong. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 13:00, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Your wish was mah order. ;D cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 19:44, 9 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I guarantee you, that NONE of mah sentences is made of own-point-of-view. I merely and actually try to avoid 1:1-copying from the books. In German Wikipedia for example thou can get LOT of trouble, if yer text is copied 1:1! Thx for yer help. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 14:29, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
To see the translation yourself, look here. Regards; --Nephiliskos (talk) 01:51, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi. I hope you are not angry. I myself be not seeking for trouble, ok? But I re-wrote some passages again, now beeing much closer to the source. Regards;--Nephiliskos (talk) 02:15, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi.^^ The epoche of the Ptolemy-dynasty reached from 332B.C. up to 31B.C., shortly after Cleopatra´s death. Ptolemy V. reigned from 205 - 180 B.C.. I have re-written special passages to clear up that thing. Hope, it helps. Cheers;--Nephiliskos (talk) 12:42, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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Svetlana Kirilovskaya PROD - Fictional?[edit]

Hi, wow, good eye! It hadn't occurred to me that the subject might be fictional. The article has no references, so it should have been a tip-off to me that a person had such a comprehensive knowledge with no references. Anyhow, again, good eye! And if you are correct, should we treat edits such as this reverted one as vandalism? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:43, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Also wanted to chime in with thanks for spotting those fictional entries. Some breaching experiement by a new account, User:Lisa lisa678, I suppose.--Milowenthasspoken 21:58, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Hey @Chewings72: and @Milowent:. I don't remember the exact phrasing in the fake article, but I feel like there were multiple "beloved"s a la "Kirilovskaya was the beloved daughter of so-and-so", which I feel I deleted. I have had my eyes on IP 108.48.144.42 for a while for some disruptive editing, and happened to notice their recent edit to Anastasia (disambiguation), which contained (unnecessary) content like "...and the beloved favorite of her paternal grandmother, Dowager Empress Marie." The "beloved" raised a few hairs, so I thought I'd bring it up here, in case either of you think it warrants a closer look. It could just be a coincidence, but I thought I'd plant a seed. IP appears to be engaged in some shady editing anyway, which they will ultimately be blocked for. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:44, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
@Cyphoidbomb: Thank you for spotting the similarity in the language. I had a look at the IP's edit history and the IP seems to be focusing on editing American movies and cartoon characters rather than showing any interest in writing biographies as occurred in the fake Svetlana Kirilovskaya article. I'll keep a watch on this IP just in case he/she starts moving into broader activities. Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 04:03, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (bug 54361http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54361).
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the Ctrl+Alt+S or  Command+ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
  • You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing  Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
  • VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and MediaWiki.org). If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
  • When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
  • The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
  • The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
  • If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "Move" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "Edit source" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "Edit source" and "View history" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.
The drop-down menu is on the right, next to the search box.

Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Monday, 19 May 2014 at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this on your own page, subscribe at Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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May 2014[edit]

Information icon In a recent edit to the page Delian league, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Thank you. The "s" form of words instead of the "z" form is a valid spelling variation. I believe the Greek form of names is used rather than the Roman in this article because it is about a Greek subject. I have no strong feelings about that, but consensus should be sought on article talk pages before arbitrarily changing. SpinningSpark 11:33, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

@Spinningspark: Thanks for the feedback on the reasons for your reverting my changes. I have a strong interest in Ancient Greek and Roman history and over the years I have read many Wikipedia articles relating to the history of that period. I thought it reasonable to seek some consistency by using Byzantium rather than Byzantion, as I can't recall too many other major articles where the Greek version is used. However, like you, I have no strong feelings about it. So happy to accept your reversion. (Although surely I don't need to seek consensus on trying to get some consistency in spelling of Byzantium??)
On the English spelling issue, I do understand the Wikipedia rules about spelling. However, I find it an issue in reading "European" articles as to what should be the correct spelling to use when articles have a mix of both American and British English. And I know there are and have been lengthy and ongoing debates over this issue, but in my opinion, it is a pity that American English does seem to be preferred if there is any uncertainty. Regards --Chewings72 (talk) 13:03, 18 May 2014 (UTC) .
On "Byzantium" you might be right, and I'm pretty sure that was that in the article at one time, but since someone has changed it in the past it is clear that not everyone agrees. Rather than continuous slow motion back-and-forth in the article, it needs to be decided what it is supposed to be on the talk page. I would have reverted you just as readily if it had been the other way round.
On the WP:ENGVAR issue, if editors cannot agree or the article has no consistent spelling style then per WP:RETAIN we look in the edit history for the first editor to clearly use a particular spelling system and go with that. SpinningSpark 13:54, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
@Spinningspark: Thanks for the helpful advice regarding which form of English to use in articles. I will follow that approach in future. --Chewings72 (talk) 01:29, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

List of Roman consuls[edit]

What was wrong with the wiki link you removed with this edit? It looks like the right person is linked. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 23:05, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tarlneustaedter: The link before my change was to Gaius Servilius Structus Ahala who was a mid-5th-century BC Roman politician. According to Livy, Ahala served as magister equitum in 439 BC and is famous for saving Rome from Spurius Maelius in 439 BC by killing him with a dagger concealed under an armpit. The consul who this link should be pointing to also has the name Gaius Servilius Structus Ahala. There is no specific Wikipedia article on him. However, the Wikipedia Ahala disambiguation page says that this Gaius Servilius Structus Ahala was a consul in 478 BC and died in his year of office. So based on this information it would seem that the two individuals are not the same person. Perhaps they were father and son or even grandfather and grandson? --Chewings72 (talk) 01:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Got it, thanks. Tarl.Neustaedter (talk) 02:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014[edit]

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Did you know?

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The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "Cite" menu, press "Cite" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "Cite" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Language" tool in the "Insert" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "Formula" item in the "Insert" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "Cancel" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Style text" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "Save page" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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Books & Bytes, Issue 6[edit]

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Books & Bytes
Issue 6, April-May 2014
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  • New donations from Oxford University Press and Royal Society (UK)
  • TWL does Vegas: American Library Association Annual plans
  • TWL welcomes a new coordinator, resources for library students and interns
  • New portal on Meta, resources for starting TWL branches, donor call blitzes, Wikipedia Visiting Scholar news, and more

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The Wikipedia Library: New Account Coordinators Needed[edit]

Hi Books & Bytes recipients: The Wikipedia Library has been expanding rapidly and we need some help! We currently have 10 signups for free account access open and several more in the works... In order to help with those signups, distribute access codes, and manage accounts we'll need 2-3 more Account Coordinators.

It takes about an hour to get up and running and then only takes a couple hours per week, flexible depending upon your schedule and routine. If you're interested in helping out, please drop a note in the next week at my talk page or shoot me an email at: jorlowitz@gmail.com. Thanks and cheers, Jake Ocaasi via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:41, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

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The character formatting menu

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The character formatting menu, or "Style text" menu lets you set bold, italic, and other text styles. "Clear formatting" removes all text styles and removes links to other pages.

Do you think that clear formatting should remove links? Are there changes you would like to see for this menu? Share your opinion at MediaWiki.org.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

The VisualEditor team is mostly working to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

  • They have moved the "Keyboard shortcuts" link out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Within dialog boxes, buttons are now more accessible (via the Tab key) from the keyboard.
  • You can now see the target of the link when you click on it, without having to open the inspector.
  • The team also expanded TemplateData: You can now add a parameter type  "date" for dates and times in the ISO 8601 format, and  "boolean" for values which are true or false. Also, templates that redirect to other templates (like {{citeweb}}{{cite web}}) now get the TemplateData of their target (bug 50964). You can test TemplateData by editing mw:Template:Sandbox/doc.
  • Category: and File: pages now display their contents correctly after saving an edit (bug 65349, bug 64239)
  • They have also improved reference editing: You should no longer be able to add empty citations with VisualEditor (bug 64715), as with references. When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to replace it with another reference instead. 
  • It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor. Remember that inline images cannot display captions, so existing captions get removed. Many other bugs related to images were also fixed.
  • You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the "Page options" menu, rounding out the full set of page options currently planned.
  • The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler.

Looking ahead[edit]

The VisualEditor team has posted a draft of their goals for the next fiscal year. You can read them and suggest changes on MediaWiki.org.

The team posts details about planned work on VisualEditor's roadmap. You will soon be able to drag-and-drop text as well as images. If you drag an image to a new place, it won't let you place it in the middle of a paragraph. All dialog boxes and windows will be simplified based on user testing and feedback. The VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for citations. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments and adding rows and columns to tables.

Supporting your wiki[edit]

Please read VisualEditor/Citation tool for information on configuring the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". This menu will not appear unless it has been configured on your wiki.

If you speak a language other than English, we need your help with translating the user guide. The guide is out of date or incomplete for many languages, and what's on your wiki may not be the most recent translation. Please contact me if you need help getting started with translation work on MediaWiki.org.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Saturday, 19 July 2014 at 21:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas and Pacific Islands) or on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 9:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East, Asia).

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Maimonides[edit]

Please see my grump at the article history. This is a controversy, not a mistake, and EB is surely less authoritative than specialized books in such cases. trespassers william (talk) 12:58, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

@Danny lost: I agree with your comment. I note that you have included both dates in your revisions which seems sensible approach. It's interesting that the version of Encyclopaedia Britannica I consulted didn't even suggest that his date of birth was subject to some uncertainty. --Chewings72 (talk) 03:58, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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