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17 September 2014

Finding an illustration of an average face for the Koinophilia article[edit]

I have put my latest comments on the koinophilia talk page. Basically I have been unable to contact the person who I think has the perfect illustration to ask whether they would be willing to upload the image on their website on to the Wikimedia Commons Oggmus (talk) 13:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. I expect someone will donate a suitable image soon. Well done for trying. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:29, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Asking[edit]

What is "ce" means? i saw it when you edited the Oceanography article in the editing description. I'm an indonesian user aiming at improving the same article in indonesian language. So, I visited the Oceanography article a lot. Could you tell me what's that means?

Thnaks a lot. Dreamfayth (talk) 05:25, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

(a passing page-stalker!) Usually "ce" is used on the wiki as shorthand for copyediting - improving the flow and readability of the text, without changing its meaning. Hchc2009 (talk) 16:50, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Classification of rodents[edit]

@LittleJerry: Do you or LittleJerry want to do a few paragraphs on the history of rodent classification or shall I? I have just received access to JSTOR which is going to be very useful in general, and this article should be useful in this instance. I don't want to duplicate effort as happened yesterday when I edit conflicted with you on the "Uses" section. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

@Cwmhiraeth: Edit conflicts are unavoidable given the system, and while a bit of a pain they are rarely harmful (only during heated discussions, maybe). But I think we needn't overlap: why don't we collaborate? How say you draft your two/a few paragraphs and then ask me to tweak them? (BTW, Wood 1955 is obviously usable only to indicate how things were seen back in 1955, which I'm sure is what you are intending. I have both JSTOR and Questia.) Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:20, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Edit conflicts matter less if one saves frequently. I tend to save infrequently and in this case wrote a paragraph on use of pelts and made several other changes. I did not expect anyone else to be editing the article at 6am and in the event, rescued the paragraph and abandoned the other changes. I will proceed as you suggest on historic classification. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Ah, travel insomnia in my case. Nice to be home and safe, even if it is pouring with rain. Looking forward to seeing your draft. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
You can find my effort here. The last reference is to Mammal Species of the World which is already cited in the article. Do what you like with it. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:42, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth: Not sure I have much to say, other than that Tullborg either needs a full name or a bluelink, and that Wood 1955 seems to get pretty short shrift! Maybe he didn't say much worth recording. I suggest we go with it and see how it is received. We can always add a bit more later. Oh, and the Simplicidentata seems to have had shifts of meaning; I doubt it was understood as a clade for its first century of usage. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Could anybody post this image to Wikicommons? My computer doesn't seem to be able to. I think the image looks better than the current mole rat one in the article. LittleJerry (talk) 18:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Done. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:47, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The last remaining task for now is creating a cladogram of rodent groups. I found this article. Reid has offered to do it but I'll let you guys decide. LittleJerry (talk) 19:32, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
He's welcome if he feels like it, probably he has a tool for the job. I've always done it by hand, pretty tedious. Chiswick Chap (talk) 19:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Could you do the last task? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 17:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
  • @LittleJerry: Thank you both for your cooperation in bringing Rodent to GA. I had a pleasant morning doing the thing I like doing best on Wikipedia (in this case expanding Silky pocket mouse) but propose to return to the fray and nominate Rodent at FAC. Are you and LittleJerry happy to go ahead jointly with me? Should we invite DrChrissy to join us? Although not as enjoyable as article creation/expansion, I will be happy to do the bulk of the work involved in responding to comments. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:37, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, why not. And we should surely get DrChrissy to join in. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay but I don't know how much time I'll have when Fall comes. LittleJerry (talk) 12:52, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure when "fall" starts but in any event, I have now nominated the article on the selfish premise that the timing suits me. I invited DrChrissy to join us but he declined. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
September 21st? Anyway, I'll help as I can. I'm on the road for a couple of weeks but should be able to pop in at least briefly most days. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
It sounds as if you won't be around much in the next couple of weeks. It has been suggested at FAC that there should be one or two paragraphs on "Rodents in popular culture". I'll have a go at it in my userspace but it is very much more your kind of topic than mine. Please add to/amend what I write if you have the opportunity. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:18, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm away. I've given you a thing I wrote a while back on mice/rats; it's hard I think to find anything much else (if Brer Rabbit unfortunately no longer counts: though when he was created I think rabbits were considered rodents...). I expect there are S. American tales of Capybaras and Guinea Pigs but I don't know them. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:48, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see the FA talk pages. LittleJerry (talk) 21:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Ok, seen. I've no idea whether we should or not, though personally I'd not be inclined to argue; I have little opinion either way, but certainly can't see why the request should be denied: it's not meaningless, though it may be hard to fulfil. Chiswick Chap (talk) 21:59, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I've blended the bit I wrote with what you wrote and have added the result to the article under the heading "In popular culture". Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:23, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Historia Plantarum (Theophrastus)[edit]

The article Historia Plantarum (Theophrastus) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Historia Plantarum (Theophrastus) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Erachima -- Erachima (talk) 01:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Making of the English Landscape[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Making of the English Landscape[edit]

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Your GA nomination of The Making of the English Landscape[edit]

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I am now reading Bird migration and remembering why I generally don't review articles about things which weren't made by humans. --erachima talk 08:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, it's very different. It's a major topic and a pretty good coverage by several editors; I swept up a lot of loose ends. Chiswick Chap (talk) 10:59, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
FWIW, I'd probably pass it on writing quality. As to the other portions, didn't even look. --erachima talk 12:48, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
 :) Glad to have met you. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:56, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Rodent[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

COI matter[edit]

EEng actually has a COI that should have halted much of his activity on the article. EEng announced that he co-authored the documents the article uses and works with the principal author cited, Macmillan. I disagree that someone who works with the principal source and publishes their own research is capable of adhering to a NPOV when they cast aspersions on the motives of other academics and go so far as to attack another university. For instance, EEng dismisses a peer (and Macmilan endorsed) review of how the tamping iron was recovered and became violent when Macmillan's published book had a very gross error that I highlighted when I personally obtained and read the copy. He acted as if this defining error does not exist and will not entertain a note for readers who've gone through the trouble of actually consulting the source cited. No offense, but the article is a clear C and far from a GA because of neutrality and other issues that remain unresolved. I am almost certain that the matter should be brought up at WP:COIN because it has continued and has run alongside EEng's year-long MOS war with no less than half a dozen different editors, a collection of which is present on the article now. I understand EEng does good work, but being able to work with others is important. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 19:24, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm very sorry to hear this news, and hope it can be resolved peacefully. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I hope it can, I'm not one to be mean to other scholars on here. They are quite rare after all. I hope the article gets to GA, I tend to be of the belief that any article I put a significant amount of time and effort in should be able to reach GA because it is an important subject. It is sorta an esoteric subject, but nonetheless, useful. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

ANI[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at ANI regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is EEng and edit warring. Thank you. —Bgwhite (talk) 07:37, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. I hope this can be resolved decently as the article is of wide interest. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:58, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for De Materia Medica (Dioscorides)[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:39, 27 August 2014 (UTC) 12:02, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Rodent[edit]

I am unknowledgeable in the matter of images and their authors/licences etc., and my inclination is to replace images with problems rather than try to solve the problems. Do you have access to the original for your cropped beaver dam image? (I wouldn't want to offend you by just removing it!) Also, Crisco suggests there are too many images. Any thoughts? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 13:35, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

There are plenty of people who can help on Commons licensing, they hang around there a lot so probably best to find one to ask. The beaver dam is on Commons, I have made the link more obvious. I've removed the 3 fossil images from the table as well as the Lord How Fantail (uncertain US copyright, unfortunately), seems a pity but so what. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I've fixed a few more image problems, found an author in the Nordisk Familjebok and translated a few words from German on Commons - image stuff involves many dimensions! Most of the rest are "Fine", ping me again if needed. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:59, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bird migration[edit]

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Many thanks! Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Do you want to respond to my suggestions at the GA review? As to Tree, we could take it to GA, but I have no spare time before the end of October. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:57, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Of course, I was wondering what had happened, somehow I wasn't automatically pinged. Tree can wait, but it would be satisfying to get it to GA with you. I've replied to your comments. BTW I'm trying to keep an FA contributor sweet, I think he's a bit miffed by being reverted with brief or absent edit comments... let's try to keep everyone happy. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I will be delighted to work with you on Tree. On the other point, I agree. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:32, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
I will round up this GA nomination shortly, meanwhile we have a bit of a setback at the Rodent FAC. I have to go out now so will be unable to respond there till tomorrow. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:00, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth I see you're still editing, so you feel there's some hope. We'll need expert help, I think. Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:49, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I have asked DrChrissy if he can help with the evolution/classification aspects which I think are the most difficult. Having considered Ucucha's comments further, I don't think they are insuperable, just difficult. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 08:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Special Barnstar Hires.png The Special Barnstar
Hi, thanks a lot for taking up the review and corrections in Badrinath Temple. Please accept this small token of appreciation. Ssriram mt (talk) 15:54, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It's really appreciated. Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:41, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank You[edit]

Thank you for your editing on the monarch butterfly article. It was good, it was right and it was helpful. It only made the article better. I am impressed by your userpage and am flattered that you would take an interest in this article. Best regards,

  Bfpage |leave a message  02:40, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, I'm delighted to hear it. All the best with your editing! Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:52, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Monarch Butterfly Migration[edit]

Thank you for your attention and contribution to the Monarch butterfly migration article. This is a new article and I am still in the middle of expanding the section Population and migratory study methods. I completely understand why you edited to condense this information at this time. I plan on creating the re-creating the sections in the near future with additional information and citations. I have probably have only added about half the information that I have found. It is quite extensive and highly researched. I am awaiting JSTOR access to help me finish off the article with more journal citiations.   Bfpage |leave a message  00:50, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

OK. Most of what I did was in fact not condensation but reorganisation and formatting, which I doubt you'll wish to undo. On study methods and similar topics, take care to focus on the results - the effects on understanding of migration - and not on scientific teams and their activities. Far too many articles are full of 'science cruft' of the form "A major study team under professor Magnus Bigfellow spent three years carefully investigating the possible impact of changes in ..." which in fact says sweet nothing about the results that readers need to know. Good luck. Chiswick Chap (talk) 06:15, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Tree[edit]

Having had another look at Tree and seeing how much work you have been doing on it I have had a change of mind, not least because it is such a splendid point-scoring article for the WikiCup. If we nominate it soon for GA it has at least a good chance of being reviewed before the end of October, the end of the last round of the WikiCup. With that in view, I have removed some citation needed tags and propose to expand the Cultivation section. Are you happy with this timescale? Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, why not. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:19, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
I have now replaced the uncited Cultivation section with an Ornamental trees section. Do you think there is any more work needed on the article? When we nominate it for GA, I suggest you make the nomination, because I have several nominations there already. I should still be able to claim WikiCup points for it if it is successful as I have done work on the article during 2014 (not mere copyediting). Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:49, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth, I think it's ready but for a sentence or so to introduce the 'Art' section. But I can nominate it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:37, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
OK, lets go then. I have added an opening couple of sentences to the art section, but feel free to change them if you think fit. You might not like the source! Cwmhiraeth (talk) 12:45, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
@Cwmhiraeth, for some reason there's no mention in the food section of nuts (hazel, almond, walnut, brazil ...) from trees. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:17, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Bird migration[edit]

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Monarch butterfly migration[edit]

Since there seems to be more interest by others in the editing of this article I would like to move our communications to the talk page if that is okay with you. Regards.   Bfpage |leave a message  11:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Of course. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:48, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Hat's off...[edit]

...for your informed and thorough review of language. Plenty of valuable suggestions, including the hints on what might be needed for a possible future FAC. Thank you very much.

Peter Isotalo 17:12, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

That's very good of you. Tak så mycket. Chiswick Chap (talk)