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If you made additions to articles within wikipedia, please add the appropriate inline references per the Manual of Style. A mention in the edit summary is not enough. Thegreatdr (talk) 20:00, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Every paragraph should have at least one source within it. When you split paragraphs, you need to use refname=""/ format if the source of both paragraphs is the same. Thegreatdr (talk) 23:27, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
Your referencing is coming along nicely. When it gets well-enough referenced, check over the quality of the text. If it looks good to you, go for a GAN run. It's a positive learning experience. Thegreatdr (talk) 04:06, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
If you think the article has enough information and referencing, we can send it through the GAN process. But only if you're ready. Thegreatdr (talk) 16:56, 29 January 2011 (UTC)
As it turns out, it's not quite ready. I need you to address the referencing concerns I placed on the article's talk page. I think I've fixed the dead reference, and reference formatting, issues elsewhere within the article. Thegreatdr (talk) 15:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Photo Caption request ignored[edit]

Hello Chris, Since you seem to be the main contributor to the Cloud article (nice work), I thought you'd be the perfect editor to ask why a simple request in the cloud talk page asking what type of clouds are in a photo I attached has been ignored. Are they so difficult to categorize? P.S. I don't plan on putting this photo into the cloud article..... just in case that's why my question has been ignored. It's a photo of my own that I would like to caption for my user page, and perhaps a gallery in another article in the future. Funny thing is, Two international Wiki sites have picked up the photo as the main photo to illustrate their "Sky" articles. I have translated their pages to see if they mention what types of clouds they are, but there is no mention of it. Thanks Pocketthis (talk) 18:46, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi; sorry for the slow reply. Thanks for your favourable comments :) I haven't been checking the discussion page as often as I should as there hasn't been much activity there lately. The smaller clouds are cumulus humilis and the larger clouds are cumulus mediocris. I don't think any of the clouds in the photo are large enough to be cumulus congestus. I hope that helps. User:ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 12:25, 25 March 2013 (UTC)ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31 (talk) 12:26, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks Chris, I am now a more educated cloud gazer. All the best......Pocketthis (talk) 15:28, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

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Earth's atmosphere Layers of the atmosphere drawn to scale, objects within the layers are not to scale.
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Yes, the cloud pictured is a noctiluscent cloud, and it's supposed to be in the mesosphere (note how it gets cut off at the edge of the mesosphere layer), though I understand if it looks like it's in the stratosphere. I moved the cloud a bit so more of it gets cut off. As for the auroræ, I think they're clearly in the thermosphere—can you explain why they look like they're in the mesosphere?—Kelvinsong (talk) 14:15, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

I now partly agree with you about the placement of the aurora in the diagram. I apparently mistook the Karman line for the mesopause. Proper identification of the mesopause puts the aurora partly in the mesosphere and partly in the lower thermosphere. This appears consistent with the altitude range givien in the Wikipedia article about auroras/aurorae, but now has me believing this article about the atmosphere shouldn't be describing the mesopause as being practically one and the same as the turbopause. I plan to amend the text to clarify these two boundaries are quite distinct and are separated by a significant vertical distance. Still, the diagram appears to extend the aurora down into the stratosphere, and with that I disagree. In addition, I stand by my belief that the location of the noctilucent cloud in the diagram is entirely erroneous. As far as I can see, this polar mesospheric cloud has been placed fully below the stratopause and therefore dead centre in the stratosphere. Perhaps the diagram's creator recalls (and was misled by) the time decades ago before the mesosphere was recognized or defined as a layer, and noctilucent clouds were, by the definition of the time, an upper stratospheric water-based aerosol. So the question for me is whether the error is serious enough to warrent exclusion of the diagram from the Wikipedia article. I believe all diagrams incorporated into Wikipedia articles should be of the highest possible quality for both graphics and overall accuracy. If this diagram is to be included, then the error should be prominantly flagged by a caption immediatly adjacent to the diagam.

It's a three-dimensional diagram—do you see the triangle that marks the mesopause? If you use that as the plane of reference, then the aurora is clearly above the mesopause. The same applies for the noctiluscent cloud, though I get that it's much more ambiguous. Would it help if I moved the cloud farther to the upper left?—Kelvinsong (talk) 12:53, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

Aha, I get it now; you're the one who created the chart in the first place! I was wondering what you meant by moving the cloud around. Your chart is a very clever piece of work, and I could see the chart was supposed to be 3-dimensional, but I didn't get that is was a view of the layers as seen from outer space looking down at a fairly sharp angle. The triangular shape of the "column" threw me as well. Now that I understand how to look at it, I can see the noctilucent cloud is in the right layer, but I agree moving the cloud as far to the upper left as possible will help. It would help the perspective even more if you can depict a nacreous cloud directly below it in the upper left of the stratosphere, and then place the tropospheric clouds directly below that in the upper left of the troposphere. I think it would be similarly helpful to place the aurora in the upper left of the thermoshere so all the natural atmospheric phenomena are in a vertical stack with each one directly above the other. Then any man-made craft could be shown in the upper right part of each of their respective layers; a subsonic airplane in the troposphere, a weather balloon and/or supersonic airplane in the stratosphere, an old X-15 or new Virgin Galactic aircraft/spacecraft in the mesosphere, and the international space station in the thermosphere. This would leave the forward apex of the triangular column largely empty, but it's difficult to represent anything there because of the parallax problem. Maybe changing the perspective to a less steep angle from above would also help, and perhaps replacing the sharp front apex of the column with something shallower and more semi-circular. I hope that helps; I appreciate your interest in my ideas.

The viewing angle of the triangular prism is very difficult to change (it involves using 3D software to render out each polygon in the prism stack into a separate SVG file; something like 20 polygons, and merging them) I've moved the noctiluscent cloud, cirrus clouds and the weather balloon, added the nacreous cloud. Better?—Kelvinsong (talk) 18:07, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for making the changes; the height ranges for the clouds show up very well now. I gather the meteors and aurorae which you've kept further foreward more or less vertically straddle the Karman line. That part could still be a little tricky for some viewers to analyse. However it helps that the Karman line is depicted on all three "sides" of the column with a very clear white line that shows up much better than the lower placed 3 dimentional boundaries. If my interpretation of the positioning of the meteors and aurorae are correct, I'd say the diagram has been clarified sufficiently to be a valuable and unique feature for the article. Thanks again for your interest in my ideas :)

I've added the image back to the article.—Kelvinsong (talk) 13:19, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Great to see it back in the article :) I can see I judged it too hastily at first, not knowing how to interpret it properly. However, with the clarifications you've made to the chart, and with the help you've given me to understand the layout, I can say it's the best and most comprehensive diagram I've seen showing the layers of the atmosphere and the various clouds and other phenomena that occur at various altitudes. Good work! User:ChrisCarss Former24.108.99.31(talk) 23:40, 17 June 2013 UTC

Thank you!—Kelvinsong (talk) 23:56, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

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