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LA Wiknic[edit]

Hi Chris. I've put a link at WP:Wiknic#West and Southwest that LA Wiknic is "under discussion", but it would be great if you could update WP:Meetup/LA with some preliminary details, so we could move this to the active stage.--Pharos (talk) 15:58, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

@Pharos: I started 4th Annual Los Angeles Wiknic based on last year's design. I updated the LA meetup page. I'm not familiar with how to get the event pushed to LA Wikipedians via watchlist and talk page. Please advise. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Help with two small things for Anbaric Transmission?[edit]

Hey Chris troutman, thanks so much for taking the draft of the Anbaric Transmission article live. I'm wondering if you might be able to help me out with two small other things related to that article. Since I have a financial conflict of interest in working on behalf of Anbaric Transmission to draft the article, I won't make these edits myself.

First, I've just uploaded the company's logo. Do you think you could add it to the infobox on the article?

Second, searching just "anbaric" here on Wikipedia currently redirects to the page for His Dark Materials, as the term is used in that book. I'm wondering what you think about setting up a disambig page, so that searches for "anbaric" would point there instead, giving readers the choice of either the His Dark Materials article or the Anbaric Transmission article. If this seems okay to you, do you think you'd be able to set up the page and change the redirect?

Cheers! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 18:27, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Chris Troutman (talk) 21:03, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks so much! ChrisPond (Talk · COI) 13:39, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

L.A. events on June 21 and July 6[edit]

Upcoming L.A. events: Unforgetting L.A. edit-a-thon (Saturday, June 21, 12-5pm) and Wiknic (Sunday, July 6, ~9:30am-4pm)

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Get hungry for the Wiknic!

Dear fellow Wikipedian,

The L.A. Wikipedia community has two exciting events coming up in the next few weeks: an edit-a-thon sponsored by the online magazine East of Borneo, and the fourth annual Los Angeles Wiknic!

The East of Borneo event is an edit-a-thon that aims to build a better history of art in Southern California. This next chapter of their Unforgetting L.A. series will take place on Saturday, June 21, 2014 from 12pm to 5pm at 356 S. Mission Rd. (map). Beginners welcome! Please RSVP here if you plan to attend. For more info, see

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Recent review-Eurachem[edit]

Thanks for taking the time to review; sorry to hear the organization doesn't make the cut at this time. I'll have another look, but looking harder at the guidelines I don't think there's any prospect of fixing that; the organization (it's not a company) is well enough known in its own area, but you won't see a lot of genuinely independent third party coverage of analytical chemistry organizations. I'll likely park that indefinitely or request deletion. SLR Ellison (talk) 10:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Ashley Little (author)[edit]

Hi Chris troutman. You rejected my recent submission titled Ashley Little (Author) citing a lack of notability. There are many other authors that are as or less notable than Ashley Little. A quick browse led me to

Is there any way to have another person look at my post?Garryanas (talk) 01:50, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

@Garryanas: First, the fact that you can point to other articles is an invalid argument. I took a look at Nathaniel G. Moore, anyway. That author is mentioned by more than one reliable source (National Post, The Globe and Mail, and Quill & Quire, among others). I don't see any notability in Chris Troutman (talk) 03:00, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Chris troutman: thanks for your input. That helps me. I'm still confused though, and would like for this article to be accepted. In an earlier draft, , I included reviews from Quill & Quire, Publisher Weekly and the Kirkus Review. Since then, Ashley Littles second novel has garnered even more acclaim, and she has won two notable awards (BC Book Prizes). Should I edit in some more reviews, and make the article look more like an earlier draft? Would that help? Thanks again. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garryanas (talkcontribs) 15:15, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

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Draft: Blanchardstown Brass Band[edit]

Hi Chris, Thanks for your recent review of the draft article "Blanchardstown Brass Band". You mentioned that it fails the notability criteria for bands. I read through the criteria and I would think that the band meets criteria 10, as it has made several appearances on national TV in Ireland (RTÉ, TV3 & TG4) and also featured in "The Purple Taxi" movie. The bands feature on RTÉs "Capital D" documentary programme would probably also agree with criteria 1 & 12. I would also like to point out that RTÉ considered the band notable enough to do a documentary about. Can you please explain to me why you have declined it and how I can fix it? Thanks, Blanchbrassband (talk) 16:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

@Blanchbrassband: I declined the article because the band's appearance in The Purple Taxi was mere seconds and they didn't seem to be the focus of attention. It would seem to fall into WP:BIO1E. Their appearance on Capital D comes closest to making them notable but #10 says "Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment" (emphasis mine). I don't think a five minute piece on the band is substantial. Other editors may disagree since it's up to interpretation. Capital D itself doesn't appear to be notable and I've raised that discussion on the applicable talk page. Not all of your remaining sources are reliable so I have not been impressed.
I have some second thoughts based on A Candle in the Window, Instrumentalist, the Independent, and the Nationalist. None of those sources cover the band in detail and each mention is minimal. Still, those sources might be enough for some editors. I don't have a suggestion to fix this problem beyond hoping the band gets more and better media coverage.
It's typically at this point that I remind enthusiastic editors that nobody cares. I'd also like to point out that you really need to change your username. Group accounts are not allowed; a username must specify one person. Editing on behalf of the band is also problematic. Every editor should be contributing for the collective good rather than for their own selfish desires. I've already reported your username and I was told that your editing will be tolerated in the draft namespace. The moment you make conflicted edits in the main namespace there's going to be a problem. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:08, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:History of the United States[edit]

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Hi Chris - tangential to the discussion on my talk page, I noticed that you don't have +acc. Since you do participate in active physical outreach, there is a good chance you'll eventually end up needing it, so I went ahead and gave it to you. Whether or not it ends up being necessary when helping out a class depends a lot on the network setup any given school is using - ex: half of Berkeley's network assigns a unique IP to every logged in user, but the other half doesn't, so it's pretty much a toss-up as to whether or not I hit the six account per day limit while doing stuff here - but there's little downside to having it. Besides account creation related stuff due to side effects of the rights packaged with it, you'll also be able to create editnotices outside of your own userspace now - not a very widely used thing but occasionally useful. Kind of funny to notice you didn't have it as a result of that discussion, but for people who are likely to eventually end up needing it it's usually better to have it in advance than to end up accidentally putting an outreach event on hold while you find someone to take care of account creation. Best, Kevin Gorman (talk) 22:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. LA has another edit-a-thon this weekend so I might be using it. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:10, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Question about page rejection[edit]

Hi Chris, A page I recently created was rejected. It is for Focus25. I've been getting into exercising and thought it would be interesting and helpful to other individuals like me. I tried to write it in a neutral tone without promotional copy. If you could provide some feedback as to what I should do to improve it, I would very much appreciate it. Thank you! alvb — Preceding undated comment added 00:36, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Alvb: As the header template indicates, I was the editor that declined your submission. I left very clear comments with linked guidelines. I'm not sure why you still have questions. In any case, Focus T25 isn't notable so I'd just forget about it and maybe revisit in a couple years. Chris Troutman (talk) 01:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Rather confused person[edit]

Hi, an article-for-creation request that you declined, from Mcgama88, seems to have been made by the same person as edits from User:Mmcgary44 on Trisomy. There are no user pages created, and I'm not sure how to search for any more socks with similar names. I'm also at a loss to explain to this person what is wrong with their material, which is essentially unreadable to geneticists and even more so to the general wikipedia audience. Hoping you might have suggestions. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 15:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

@Sminthopsis84: I'm not sure I understand the issue. If it's a matter of notifying a user that their contributions are problematic, use the talk page. The content is too technical or simply incomprehensible, is essay-like, or qualifies as original research. I don't have much experience reporting socks but you can always start a report and perhaps a checkuser can determine if there is socking going on. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:08, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I doubt that there is any intent to abuse the system, so a sock-puppet investigation would be premature. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 20:23, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you![edit]

Hi Chris, Thank you for your spirited defense of the article on School-Based Family Counseling. I agree that it was written in a somewhat academic tone. I would have liked to have taken a shot at rewriting it, but am not sure this would be a productive path given one Wikipedia editor's very strong opposition. I would value your advice!Gerrardb (talk) 04:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC)B. Gerrard

@Gerrardb: Don't let a single editor determine how you edit Wikipedia; stick to written guidelines and policies and you'll be fine. Be advised that Wikipedia is not a replacement for academic writing. An article on school-based family counseling might not ideally look like what you envision.
School-based family counseling was determined to be a copyright violation and deleted. I suspect there was too much text copied or at least paraphrased from the source material. If you can avoid that you could re-create that article. Normally I would suggest you inquire about getting that content restored to a user sandbox to start over but since the article was deleted as a copyvio, that won't be possible. I don't know that Slakr, the deleting admin, would choose to help you out but you could ask.
Before deciding about re-creating the article, try working on some of WikiProject Psychology's "to do" list. You could also help other articles with "to do" lists. Doing these maintenance tasks would help your editing skills and give you a better idea of Wikipedia's norms. If and when you choose to go forward, feel free to ask if you'd like my help. Chris Troutman (talk) 05:15, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

María del Monte draft[edit]

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Fresh catch o' the day![edit]

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You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

For this revert, restoring an erroneous (good faith) bold edit whilst citing WP:BRD and requesting unnecessary discussion, you are awarded, in the spirit of levity and collegial feedback, this trout. Kind regards. VQuakr (talk) 07:36, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I put that button on my userpage more than a year ago. I was wondering how long until someone pushed it. Now I know. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:13, 24 June 2014 (UTC)


Hi there.

Yay! I am considering coming back to CVU! I choose you as a trainer. Are you able to take on another student? I already have the User_talk:Akifumii/CVUA Thanks. --AkifumiiTalk 15:46, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@Akifumii: If I take you on as a student, how sure can I be that you'll complete the training? Chris Troutman (talk) 18:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
@Chris troutman: One of my biggest regrets was to quit CVUA. I am positive I will complete the training this time. Are you up for it? --AkifumiiTalk 19:20, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Ok. This is your new CVUA page. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: Done with the first assignment. --AkifumiiTalk 02:00, 26 June 2014 (UTC

Just a talk page stalker :p Akifumii, the first revert link you have given is appropriate. But if I were you, I would not have used rollback to revert it. You mentioned that it is a good faith edit. By using rollback, you give the IP the impression that 'your edit is vandalism and does not require an edit summary'. You should use Twinkle AGF button to revert, and with a revert summary. That was also their first edit as well, so it does not warrant the use of rollback. Jianhui67 TC 17:46, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Ambassadors of Ghana to Russia[edit]

Dear Chris, I was trying to add a category to 'Ambassadors of Ghana to Russia' The page I wish to add is not on the English site, but on the Russian site. What do I do? Категория:Посольство Ганы в России Translation in English, Category:Embassy of Ghana in Russia I would be grateful for your help. Thank you. (talk) 22:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

@, Dorothyelliott: Since I have posted on your talk page, I am watching it and will respond there. You don't need to contact me on my talk page, as well. Please be careful when linking to categories. You must place a colon (:) ahead of the word 'category' or it will put that article (like my talk page) in that category. I fixed it myself. Finally, be careful to log-in before you edit. Certainly you would want me to know that Dorothy Elliott is leaving a message for me, not some random IP. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Chris, I understand it is not possible to add categories from other language sites. I think it will be a good idea if that was possible as and when the page is not on the English site. Thanks again. DorothyDorothyelliott (talk) 23:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Del Monte... again[edit]

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Friendly request.[edit]

Hello there Chris! I'm not certain if you've noticed the RfC on VPR about the use of deprecated and obsolete HTML elements used in wikitext, but I'm in the process of going through and trying to clean some of it up in templates, modules, help/project pages, and attempting to reduce future uses by helping editors update their signature to not use these obsoloete tags. If you are interest in updating your signature, I suggest replacing:

<font face="copperplate gothic light">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#36454F">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#36454F">talk</span>]])</font>


<span class="nowrap" style="font-family:copperplate gothic light;">[[User:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">Chris Troutman</span>]] ([[User talk:Chris troutman|<span style="color:#345">talk</span>]])</span>

which will result in a 212 character long signature with an appearance of: Chris Troutman (talk)
compared to your existing 189 character long signature of: Chris Troutman (talk)
— Either way. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 21:36, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Yes, I was aware of the RfC. I'm a history major and couldn't really follow the discussion. Thanks for letting me know what needed to be changed. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:58, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Talkback from Technical 13[edit]

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Gatch torture[edit]

You probably have this on your watch list, but Immurement#Immurement in Persia covers this in more detail with decent sources. Dougweller (talk) 16:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup 2014 June newsletter[edit]

After an extremely close race, Round 3 is over. 244 points secured a place in Round 4, which is comparable to previous years- 321 was required in 2013, while 243 points were needed in 2012. Pool C's Smithsonian Institution Godot13 (submissions) was the round's highest scorer, mostly due to a 32 featured pictures, including both scans and photographs. Also from Pool C, Scotland Casliber (submissions) finished second overall, claiming three featured articles, including the high-importance Grus (constellation). Third place was Pool B's Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), whose contributions included featured articles Russian battleship Poltava (1894) and Russian battleship Peresvet. Pool C saw the highest number of participants advance, with six out of eight making it to the next round.

The round saw this year's first featured portal, with Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions) taking Portal:Literature to featured status. The round also saw the first good topic points, thanks to Florida 12george1 (submissions) and the 2013 Atlantic hurricane season. This means that all content types have been claimed this year. Other contributions of note this round include a featured topic on Maya Angelou's autobiographies from Idaho Figureskatingfan (submissions), a good article on the noted Czech footballer Tomáš Rosický from Bartošovice v Orlických horách Cloudz679 (submissions) and a now-featured video game screenshot, freely released due to the efforts of Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions).

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You are correct! When it did nothing to help me, I deleted it. Should it still be entered? I appreciate your help, but I would appreciate it even more if you had time enough to walk me through the process as set out in the directions, step by step. Then, it may become simple for me too. In any case, thank you very much for your help. Pendright (talk) 02:44, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Pendright: Well, all I did was add "A-Class=current" to the MILHIST template. Most talk pages have WikiProject banner templates and many of those templates have optional parameters that can be used (like the class rating). "A-Class" is one of the parameters in that template. You've already created the justification for the request. Dank added your nomination to the announcements so you should be hearing from an interested editor sometime. All you have to do now is wait. I have experience with WikiProject GA but I've never done an A-class review so I can't help you on that. Does that answer your request? Chris Troutman (talk) 03:24, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, thank you kindly! 21:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Seeking wikiPedia mentoring in SoCal[edit]

Thanks for the revert - I completely missed that 2013 date! I'm in San Diego, looking for a few wikiPedia-savvy people to help me make sense of the learning curve... Do you have a series of assignments you recommend? Thanks! DrMel (talk) 03:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@DrMel: I see you're not exactly a new user so I'm not sure what to recommend. For Wikipedia buttonology and coding, I'd recommend the Wikipedia Adventure. It's a little juvenile but it's good. If you feel comfortable with that material, there's The Missing Manual. It explains concepts in Wikipedia. I see you've already joined a few WikiProjects and you've added yourself to the list of Wikipedians in San Diego. By working on the various WikiProject to-do lists you'll practice editing and encounter more Wikipedians. Edit-a-thons will appear on occasion and those will be helpful, too. If you plan to travel up to LA for our upcoming Wiknic we'd be glad to have you. If you start building an edit history you might consider taking the training to become a Campus Ambassador. There was a course just this past Spring at UC San Diego that NativeForeigner was involved with. I'm involved in a bunch of stuff so check out my user page to get an idea of who else and what else is out there. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:53, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Do you consider that helpful to a new user?[edit]

"We don't answer this sort of question here."

Think about the message that sends to a new user, please. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

The same user left a message at the AfC Help Desk to which I replied. While I could have double-tapped that response on the AfC talk as well, I chose to be curt and let the other response assist the user. Yes, most new users wouldn't be pleased with that first response. I'll try to bear that in mind in the future. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your responsive answer. We all have to deal with new users who sometimes engage in "forum shopping" behavior. And other shit sometimes too. Every case judged on its merits. But I think that an assumption of good faith serves us well in almost all such cases. So, just a hint, or a suggestion. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:49, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Yun Mu Kwan Draft[edit]

I think in this case the submission has been bypassed and the draft is no longer being dealt with. Not sure how to remove drafts when this happens.Peter Rehse (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@PRehse: Hmmm. An end-run around AfC. I'm going to have to think about how to handle this. Thanks for letting me know. Chris Troutman (talk) 18:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
At first it annoyed me too and I put it up for speedy delete but considering a lot of the issues first mentioned are now cleaned up and there is no actual requirement that articles have to submitted via the draft process - I ended up providing some help. I was just wondering how to remove redundant drafts. There does not seem to be a clear policy.Peter Rehse (talk) 18:46, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I would think redundant drafts can be deleted under WP:G13. However, the draft was declined due to a lack of reliable sources and to my mind, it never had any notability. My further concern is that the reliable sources don't substantiate the articles's claims. (It appears to be a hoax.) I'm not so sure this main namespace version is passable and I'm considering going the AfD route. I think I'll nominate the mainspace article. If it gets deleted the author can go back to the draft. If the AfD fails, we can delete the draft. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your excellent help with my course!![edit]

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Thanks so much for fielding student questions, helping them move their article online, and being generally super helpful for the wikipedia project for my course in boundary layer meteorology at UCLA! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jfk nl80 (talkcontribs) 21:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Undoing Edits[edit]

Hi there Chris.

I have recently reverted vandalism with the twinkle rollback feature as well as with my rollback rights. I haven't used the undo button very much. Sorry about that. I will "undo" edits from now on unless you instruct me to otherwise. Thanks. --AkifumiiTalk 05:11, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

You would do well to quit going after other programs and focus on this training, which you've already committed to. The current exercise doesn't have to be done one at a time. Complete the whole table if you wish. Understand that every wrong entry will result in more being assigned. Chris Troutman (talk) 06:42, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
I understand. Thank you. Will I be assigned more because of the edits I reverted with rollback? If so, how many? --AkifumiiTalk 16:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
I've only added one (row 4A) since you didn't issue a warning. It'll be a one-for-one basis. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. You may want to take a look at this. I was reviewing pending changes and saw that this edit had vandalism. I reverted it not with rollback, not with twinkle, not with undo, but with the reviewer tools on the top of the page. --AkifumiiTalk 17:03, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
I find this frustrating. We've gotten to the end of the manual section so it won't be an issue going forward. Typically users that complete CVUA don't already have those permissions. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:28, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi - you declined submission on the page Allyson Stewart Allen, however all of the references are verifiable - could you advise me on how to overcome this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Museofmarketing (talkcontribs) 14:17, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@Museofmarketing: I explained my reasoning on the draft; you should read that. The applicable notability criteria specifies that the subject "Has had significant roles in multiple notable films, television shows, stage performances, or other productions.". Allyson Stewart Allen doesn't meet that, to my mind. You are welcome to submit your draft again and get a second opinion. You can also ask at the AfC Help Desk. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:22, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Advice on resubmission - Krupskaya (UK Band)[edit]

Hello there, I hope you're well and enjoyed a great week.

Last month I submitted an article for a band, at the address:

It was rejected and I would like to please request some advice on what I should do to ensure it is of acceptable criteria.

I understand that the web site links selling the bands work perhaps aren't acceptable as citations to their discography, but I wasn't sure what else I could use in lieu of the information being available in any other, singular place. In this instance, would it be better for me to leave the citations out of the discography completely?

Before I submitted my article for the band (whom I saw perform during the latter years of the previous decade), I wasn't sure that they'd meet the Wikipedia notability guidelines given that they're an underground band. But I did some research and found several entries to other bands who play similar music or operate in DIY scenes, some of whom have arguably less achievements behind them, and believed that this meant the band would be eligible for submission. The main example I used was Narcosis, as I saw this band play with Krupskaya before -

I tried to ensure the information I submitted was well cited, but I am struggling to see what my submission lacks that the above entry does correctly?

I absolutely want to make sure this submission is as valid and close to perfection as I can acheive, so if there is any advice you could please provide in regards to the above, I'd very much appreciate it.

Thanks, have a great weekend

Tumpkin (talk) 18:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@Tumpkin: I understand your confusion. A significant proportion of Wikipedia articles don't themselves meet our criteria so you can't point to these as examples for inclusion. It used to be that anyone could create a new article with no review, which is why you see stuff like that. I've nominated Narcosis (UK band) for deletion, accordingly.
There are a couple things in play. To have this article accepted, it has to meet general notability criteria or our notability criteria for bands. The criteria for bands has a few qualifications; having a certified gold record or charting are typically the best way to be accepted. Your submission has only one reliable source, which is the BBC article. I haven't read it so I'm only assuming it actually substantiates what the submission claims. If Krupskaya was also mentioned in Rolling Stone, Revolver, or the like that would help general notability.
The lesser issue is sourcing. Ideally you only include text that is backed-up by reliable sources. Right now you need to make the case for notability. If you cut out your un-reliable sources and their text it would make the submission cleaner but it would also reduce the content to a single sentence. I wouldn't worry about this issue right now and I'd stick to the notability issue.
Thanks you, I plan to enjoy my weekend. Today is a beautiful day to be free of the Crown. I hope you enjoy your weekend, as well. Consider joining a Wiknic in your area this weekend. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:The Shock Doctrine[edit]

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Finished with my CVUA assignment. Mind checking it over? A2 15:38, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't get impatient. I've assigned a new block of instruction, but you have a couple more assignments to finish. Look at every yellow mark and see if I'm asking something more of you before you move on. Also, I included a good deal of text explanations without asking a bunch of questions. Be certain you read all of that because it will become important later. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:32, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: User:Abrightly[edit]

Hello Chris troutman. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of User:Abrightly, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: WP:U5 does not apply because author has made many edits outside of userspace. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:06, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Contributions welcome[edit]

Your input concerning a repeated incident by another user at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard would be appreciated. Cheers. LRD NO (talk) 01:03, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

As per previous suggestion, discussion is now opened at WP:ANI. Thank you. LRD NO (talk) 06:39, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Pages for Speedy Deletion[edit]

Hi there.

I have been working on tagging pages for deletion but can't seem to find any. Do I just have to look harder? Is there a place or page that can help me find pages for speedy deletion? I have marked pages for deletion in the past using Twinkle through Special:NewPagesFeed. Thanks. A2 14:45, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

You can use the diffs from previous CSD nominations, just be sure they're correct nominations. That said, it's not necessarily an easy thing to hunt for. Most of the pages I nom for CSD are the user pages because of WP:NOTWEBHOST. These will be users with maybe less than 25 total edits, all to their user page. Since you're using Twinkle, I recommend you consider enabling your CSD log. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Editor Review[edit]

You did an editor review on me, of which I've just been notified by a tick with your name - thanks for taking the time to do this, although I didn't request it. Where can I see it? Constructive criticism is always helpful as one learns. Sorry if this seems like a dumb question, but I've been looking, and can't find it. AdventurousMe (talk) 06:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

@AdventurousMe: I'm sorry; you've misunderstood. I marked your user page as patrolled since you created it and it hadn't been checked earlier. This sort of check is done on new pages to prevent the possibility of attack pages or other egregious vandalism. In any case, Wikipedia no longer has an editor review project due to problems administering it.
Because you've asked, I took a look at your edit history: I like what you're doing. Since you're new, especially, it's a good idea of engaging on talk pages in the course of being bold. Adding citations is a great thing to be doing on wiki. Based on this, I think you would do well at the Guild of Copy Editors and/or WikiProject Unreferenced articles. I recommend every user join a WikiProject to become better connected to the larger Wikipedia community. There are many WikiProjects and different maintenance tasks you can get involved with. Wikipedia also has sister projects like Wikidata, Wikiquote, and many others not to mention Wikipedia in other languages. You might also benefit from the Feedback Request Service. Editors facing an a issue about article content will post a "Request for Comment" (RfC). Joining the service will result in notifications to your talk page about these RfCs. You'll have an opportunity to register an opinion on these questions and you'll be exposed to a variety of articles, editor behavior, and applicable policies/guidelines. If you have any other questions, please ask. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much indeed! I'll make time to implement this, and try and engage more seriously with the community as you suggest. AdventurousMe (talk) 01:55, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Alonzo Davis[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Alonzo Davis at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! czar  15:11, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Talk pages[edit]

Thanks for your contributions, you've been doing a good job at writing and sourcing articles.

Talk:Len Forkas was fine, although {{talkheader}} shouldn't be added to those talk pages where there is no discussion, like you did on Talk:Gabe Zichermann, check WP:TALK#CREATE. Feel free to remove it or let me know your reason. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 14:58, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done My mistake. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:32, 11 July 2014 (UTC)