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María del Monte draft[edit]

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Please comment on Talk:Operation Protective Edge[edit]

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Maxwell Brander[edit]

Chris - thank you very much for removing the tag, and for your response to my comments. I completely appreciate that pointing fingers at other articles is not a valid argument, but it is bloody frustrating to spend so much time attempting to be so careful, only to witness utter shoddiness going unnoticed. Thank you very much for your assistance. Much appreciated.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Vietnamvat (talkcontribs)

21:01:51, 29 July 2014 review of submission by Untruc1981[edit]


Hello Chris, I was wondering what would constitute a reliable source in the context of an independent, yet highly notable author? The sources used for the Sean Carswell article are from the City of Ventura, literary journals that featured Carswell, and other independent publications that spoke about Carswell's achievements and activities. I reviewed all the materials pertaining to this on wiki, but am at a loss as to how an independent minded author cuts the mustard with notability. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Untruc1981 (talk) 21:01, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@Untruc1981: Your primary task here is to meet notability criteria. In this case you have notability criteria for authors and general notability. Carswell isn't looking like he can pass author criteria so your pitch is for general notability.
Your secondary problem is that you have a kludge of lousy sources among a handful of good sources like Ventura County Reporter and Redlands Daily Facts. I would recommend cutting all the other nonsense and add other journalistic sources like Portland Mercury and Arizona Daily Sun. Even if you cut the article down to an infobox and three sentences, you might meet notability criteria. Once you get a draft accepted you can add other material from there (so long as you don't tempt deletion). In general, you want to cite sources and mention awards that themselves are notable (eg, have an article about them). Some random website doesn't inspire confidence while trash tabloid TMZ might. Even with four newspapers I'm still not sure this article passes, but the clearer you make it for a reviewer the better chance you'll have. Also, if there have been significant reviews of his books in academic journals, you could develop a sentence or two summarizing those reviews and then cite those reviews. It would go a long way to establishing notability. I hope that helps. Chris Troutman (talk) 21:48, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello Chris, Thank you. That was incredibly helpful. Best, Untruc1981 (talk) 22:44, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Reed Farrel Coleman article[edit]

Hi Chris, many thanks for the acceptance of the article! I was expecting comments on things that needed 'neatened-up'. Best, Old Beeg ··warble·· 01:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Your comment on Wikipedia today[edit]

Hello Chris: The comments which you posted about the recent Lead addition on the Wikipedia page is something which I support. The editor there tried to force this edit in on 25 May against two editors and was stopped then. Now he seems to want to force it through again. I tried setting up a BRD on Talk today but he deleted it and changed it to his own preferred current format, and then deleted my BRD revert on the Page itself as well! Along with the 2 editors from 25 May who did not want the changes in the Lead, that makes 4 of us who don't want it. My support is for your position on this. Could you glance at the large number of reverts by that same editor in May? LawrencePrincipe (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Follow up Re School-Based Family Counseling[edit]

Thank you for explaining to me why my article was deleted. I thought it was because an editor didn't like the writing style. What happened was I quoted myself without realizing the copyright implications! I could easily get the publisher's approval, but my preference is to simply rewrite the article with the "essay-like" sections rewritten to meet Wikipedia wording standards. I am deeply grateful for your advocacy and encouragement and hope my foray into "speedy deletion" did not cause you any problems with other editors. Gerrardb (talk) 00:59, 31 July 2014 (UTC)B. Gerrard

@Gerrardb: Yes, I could see what you were trying to accomplish and I'm sorry I wasn't able to prevent deletion. Speedy deletion is a painless procedure for third parties; I hope to see you create a new user sandbox soon. Wikipedia does value expert editors but the experience in this decentralized adhoc-cracy is often traumatic to new editors. Chris Troutman (talk) 02:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Books and Bytes - Issue 7[edit]

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A Barnstar for You![edit]

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Congratulations, Chris troutman! You're receiving the The Articles for Creation Barnstar because you got more than 175 points during the recent AFC Backlog elimination drive in June 2014! Thank you for you contributions to Wikipedia at-large and helping to keep the backlog down. We hope you continue reviewing submissions and stay in touch at the talk page. Thank you and keep up the good work! (tJosve05a (c) 23:50, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Trouted[edit]

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Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: this comment in which you argue for a speedy keep of a hoax article. PhilKnight (talk) 13:02, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Notification[edit]

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Dj D (Nechepurenko)[edit]

Hello! I'm about page about Dj D (Nechepurenko). Tell me, please! Which music sites you trust??????! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Christina232 (talkcontribs) 19:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@Christina232: The guideline to read is WP:RS. Generally, you need to find either legitimate news sources or well-known music magazines like Mixmag, Rolling Stone, DJ Magazine, etc. Websites like AllMusic aren't good enough to establish notability. If you have questions about a particular source, you can ask at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. Chris Troutman (talk) 20:52, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

July GOCE drive[edit]

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17:50:52, 6 August 2014 review of submission by Alphahuynh[edit]


Alphahuynh (talk) 17:50, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Chris Troutman,

I am in the midst of submitting my article for a re-review, as I have made the necessary changes and have added multiple reliable resources from the Windsor Star Newspaper. Before submitting my article for revision, I was wondering if you could have a look at it. I did speak with multiple individuals from the help channel including Huon, Salvidrim, and Dragonfly6-7, in regards to my resources and they have confirmed that these are reliable.

Thanks Chris!

@Alphahuynh: I see you've made many improvements, while also introducing other problems. Long story short, I think you made the case for notability and when you nominate this it should be accepted.
To improve the article I have a couple recommendations: rewrite the lead paragraph and "introduction" section per WP:LEDE, MOS:BOLD, and WP:LAYOUT. The lead is a summary, not a preface. After that you can have a background section but it is not the true start of the article. Also, you have a pile of bare URLs and it obscures your references. I recommend using citation templates like {{Cite news}} to make plain which of your references are from Windsor Star, which is your selling point for AfC.
You don't have to make those changes but I think it would make acceptance easier. Submit the draft when you like. Chris Troutman (talk) 22:48, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

State Courts Martial[edit]

Yes, a moment with Google will show you that there are state courts martial. Mikedelsol (talk) 00:01, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mikedelsol: It is not Wikipedia policy to do your research for you. You must present your sources. Also, 32 USC 327 doesn't seem to expound any difference. You're adding a word to the text with with no apparent purpose. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

You didn't read the article before editing, or you would have seen the references to the Oregon State Code of Military Justice and the Model State Code of Military Justice. There are, I would guess, 50 state codes of military justice each of which is authoritative for its state. To cite 50 seems excessive, To cite one seems arbitrary. The Oregon one happens to be on the web in full. Hawaii has a web site, but it is not easy to understand.Mikedelsol (talk) 00:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK Review: Philcade Building[edit]

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RFC at Wikipedia for page protection[edit]

Last call for opinions on RFC at Wikipedia page for page protection extension. Cheers. LawrencePrincipe (talk) 20:18, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

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Whack!
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Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

You are getting a smaller one for the 90-day idea only because it matches your user ID. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:51, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Make U Bounce[edit]

Chris, did you want to come back and take another look at the nomination, or should I call for a new reviewer. Please let me know. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Chris Troutman (talk) 17:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Unforgetting L.A. on Sept 6[edit]

Hey Chris, just a heads up that I booked the next meetup for Saturday, Sept 6, 11am-4pm. We'll be in Pasadena this time, at Armory Center for the Arts. I'll be sending an invite soon. Hope you can make it out! StaceyEOB (talk) 18:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Unforgetting L.A. edit-a-thon on September 6[edit]

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FYI...[edit]

You just un-did an edit made by 24.89.95.109 on user talk:j73364. 24.89.95.109 is my I.P address. Therefore I un-did my own edit (I just forgot to log on).Jay M (talk) 03:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, I reverted 24.89.95.149. Oddly, you awarded "yourself" a barnstar. Why would you do that? It seems you spent a lot of editing logged-out. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:40, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

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00:39:15, 23 August 2014 review of submission by Mehitabel99[edit]


Hello Chris Troutman,

Thank you for your comments on the article, Pratch & Company, that I submitted on August 7. I understand your criticism of using too many of Dr. Pratch's own articles as references. One of the comments says to take them all out and resubmit the article. I have two questions: Isn't it appropriate to link to Dr. Pratch's research when making a statement regarding that research, specifically when stating that the research was carried out? Also, is there anything else in the article that needs revision before I resubmit it?

Thank you for any advice you can offer me.

Sincerely,

Mehitabel99 (talk) 21:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC) Mehitabel99 (talk) 00:39, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

@Mehitabel99: No, it's not appropriate to use Pratch's research as a source so heavily because it's a primary source. Your number one goal is to make a case for notability, which relies on independent sources. You can keep some of those citations but it should be a minority of the sources.
I think Leslie Pratch might be notable, but I'm pretty sure her company is not. Also, please avoid writing promotionally. I get the sense you're trying to sell this company's services and that's counter to Wikipedia's policy. Chris Troutman (talk) 04:27, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

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Hope this works! I added a bit to make it sound more exciting. :) Somehow last time I looked at it, I thought it was on a Saturday... Since it's Sunday I probably won't be able to come until later (my husband plays piano at a church 8:30-noon or so, and we only have one car...). But hopefully I can make it after church, and bring him along! You should RSVP so that it looks like we have a good presence for others clicking the link! Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:03, 27 August 2014 (UTC)