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Laurence Marks

Thank you for your note. And for your efforts to improve the article. What has happened here is two things. Some elements of fact have been conflated with erroneous assertion or assumption which resulted in a mistaken "meme" being generated. And then that mistaken "meme" has been picked up and mirrored in other locations that can be found on the internet. Well-intentioned - but wrong. The IMDB entry you refer to also includes a credit for him writing an episode of the 1970s US sitcom "Phyllis". Should we include that he wrote for "Phyllis" in the article? No - because it transpires that there was an American comedy writer born in 1915 who - like the Fleet Street - journalist had the identical name to the UK sitcom writer. And one of his credits has been erroneously conflated with this latterday Laurence Marks. The "shineonharveymoon" fan website you cite exists on a domain name that - according to the official "WhoIs" was registered on: 21-Oct-2007. In other words it's a fan website created after the publication of the erroneous assertion about the Sunday Times had appeared on several other sites. The fan website simply repeats and "mirrors" the mistaken meme. Thus are urban myths perpetuated! The BFI site unwittingly repeats the myth. The in-depth interview with Marks and Gran that I have included as part of the article features an extensive history of Marks - based on an in-person interview. Something as impressive as working for the Sunday Times would certainly have been mentioned either in direct quote from Marks - or en passant by the writer - who references his work as a reporter for a local weekly newspaper - the Tottenham Weekly Herald! But no reference to the far more famous Sunday Times. Instead - Marks and Gran relate that it was a chance encounter with Barry Took that led to them taking up comedy writing. Nothing whatsoever to do with Marks spending a year working on the Sunday Times investigating the Moorgate crash. If you really think that this particular Laurence Marks DID work for the Sunday Times - then you need to find an independent source - unrelated to the recent urban myth - that confirms it. If he really did work for the Sunday Times and investigated the Moorgate crash for an entire year - there will be evidence of such work. Not erroneous assertions made in 2006. But locatable references that can confirm the assertion. By all means try to find some. I will stand corrected if you do. But at present this is just urban myth. Thank you Davidpatrick (talk) 15:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your continued diligent research on this. While there are some articles that mention the Sunday Times in connection with the sitcom Marks, they are all recent era articles. And there is definitely a history of articles that conflate the credits and achievements of the two different people both called Laurence Marks. There is definitely more research required to determine the veracity of the matter. There is no urgent rush. We should both conduct research to try and find sources that clarify the issue in order to ensure that the article is accurate and not inadvertently compounding urban myth. Davidpatrick (talk) 06:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

A very useful thing to add back. Thank you. I will continue to research to try and find some first-hand references to his pre-sitcom career rather than depending just on after the fact references. As previously noted - at various times this article has stated that he worked for The Observer (that turned out to be the Fleet Street journalist called Laurence Marks); that he wrote episodes of "Phyllis" and "Hogan's Heroes" (that tuned out to be the US sitcom writer). All text that had been added by editors with the best of intentions - drawn from erroneous data on the internet - that had been mirrored in multiple sites - thus creating the illusion of accuracy. Whereas it actually reflected one of the drawbacks of the internet. The way that an erroneous fact can be picked up and replicated on multiple sites. Providing the misperception that the "fact" is valid based on the number of places it appears. Including in the works of mainstream journalists who do online research and then compound the error. Davidpatrick (talk) 00:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Excellent additional research. Kudos to you for that. It was fascinating to read more about the distinguished journalist of that name who had a very long Fleet Street career.

What you found in Who's Who about the sitcom writer is also interesting. Without being pedantic - I draw slightly different conclusions from the text you quote.

"Trainee journalist, Thomson Regl Newspapers 1974; Reporter: N London Weekly Herald, 1975-77; Sunday Times 1975-76 (freelance) and 1978-79; This Week (TV current affairs prog.) 1977-78;"

First of all, as you may be aware, Who's Who entries are written from information provided by the subject and are thus not fully independent sources. (See Who's Who (UK):

Occasional problems arise with the publication's reliability as a reference source because the entries are compiled from questionnaires returned to the publisher by the featured subjects.

There have been occasions - and I am certainly not saying that this is one - where individuals have been known to either fabricate or exaggerate their entries. Which is why independent sources - contemporary to the matters claimed - are so beneficial.

Secondly, this entry is clear in claiming only a freelance connection to the Sunday Times as distinct from a staff position. In such circumstances a writer can be described as having had work published by the paper in question (though it would be prudent to independently verify that work HAD been actually published as opposed to simply being submitted) - but not as having "worked for" the paper - which implies a staff position or regular recurrent commissions.

Anyway, I think his claim of having freelanced for the Sunday Time should perhaps be referenced in the article and will do so. Davidpatrick (talk) 02:58, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Ooops

Even I got that one wrong. Can you help at Laurence Marks to disambiguate the last few at "links here". I fixed all the MASH ones. You would be the expert on the UK two. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Documentaries by topic

You did very nice work in reorganizing Category:Documentaries by topic, I think. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:59, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Renaming Category:Alumni of LAMDA

Hi Cjc13, you do have a point that the academy is indeed often referred to by the acronym. However, I don't think that the acronym is really "widely known and used" in the same way IBM, EMI and NATO are. Anyway, the category title should match the main topic article, which is currently at London Academy of Music and Dramatic Art. Changing the way the academy is referred to in Wikipedia should probably start from that article's talk page. If there's consensus to move that article, moving the category back should be no big deal. Regards, Jafeluv (talk) 11:04, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Dickens Family

Thanks for your excellent work in adding to this important subject. I was feeling pretty lonely in there. Jack1956 (talk) 13:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

John Dutton

Hi Cjc13, It really doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter whether it was created by a book buyer, a client, a band member or himself. I posted that IP information so that administration monitors responses. FWIW, it is permissible on WP to write an article about oneself as long as it's done within our policy guidelines. Most importantly within WP:N which is the reason why I submitted the article as WP:AfD. if you can find for this article any of the verifications as per WP Notability, I'll have no problem with its inclusion. Thanks.

Bravo

That category works. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Soundtrack compilations

Category:Soundtrack compilations, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:46, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

London Wikimedia Fundraiser

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Hope we'll see you there, (and apologies for the talk page spam) - Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 18:10, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The Contribution Team cordially invites you to Imperial College London

All Hail The Muffin Nor does it taste nice... 15:31, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Category:History books about countries

Thanks for the help in organizing categories now that the Cfd has been closed! MRDXII (talk) 19:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Do you know what to do if one discovers a recent CfD that one feels resulted in bad policy?

I am asking you this becase in the discussion of the former Roman Catholic Church buildings established in the 14th censtury that we were both involved in there was an attempt to force a change on a policy developed from a June 9th discussion that had three participants. This seems to me too small of a smaple to force a change, especially when the change has the potential to open the flood gates of overcategorizing. I am wondering if there is a way to reopen that discussion.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:18, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

The simple answer is I do not know, although you could try the editor who closed the discussion. The current discussion of July 9 does provide a means of discussion and may end up contradicting the earlier discussion. Cjc13 (talk) 20:44, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Former pupils of Scottish and Welsh schools

The reason the move was done was simply the consensus in the disucssion. In addition, that consensus reflected the consensus of recent related discussions. Yes, there where some editors who where opposed to this for various reasons, mostly the choice of 'people educated' rather then 'former pupils'. Those objections simply did not outweigh the overwhelming consensus in this or the other discussions. I did not make and extra comments on the close since the consensus was clear in the discussion. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:59, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Is 6 (including the nominator) overwhelming when there are 3 objectors? Is it not meant to be about the strength of argument? The only previous discussion relevant to these catgories was this discussion which was no consensus. There were other discussions relating to other countries, but the discussion for Canadian schools indicates that local terminology should be used. Cjc13 (talk) 18:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

I think you may wish to contribute here. Moonraker (talk) 08:18, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the link. I am seeking a review of the above discussion, Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2011 July 27. I am not sure that this is the right procedure for cfd but this was the link given on the adjudication. Cjc13 (talk) 11:42, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I was wondering if it is feasible to escalate the issue of the apparently uninformed having undue influence on the CfD process to WP:AN/I. I note that others currently have parallel issues with it as well. Ephebi (talk) 15:56, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

The Deletion Review achieved nothing as the only editors involved were those already in the discussion. So I am looking to try another line as I do not feel the issues were dealt with properly. WP:AN/I may be worth a try. Cjc13 (talk) 21:49, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

They will say there was no incident, and rebuke you. (Plenty of people monitor DRV. If people make no comment it's because they see no problem.) There was a consensus - just accept it. Occuli (talk) 15:47, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion: nomination of various 'Former pupils' categories

Various 'former pupils' categories, in which you have previously shown interest, have been nominated for renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the categories' entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Occuli (talk) 15:22, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: How to appeal a cfd rename?

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Submarine chasers

A submarine chaser is actually a specific type of ship - wasn't sure if you knew that, based on your CfDS comment? (If you did, no biggie - and thanks for keeping me on my toes, btw, we might not agree on category names but it's good to be debated regardless of the outcome!) - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 17:19, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

The current name seems clearer in indicating that it is a navy classification. It is not a type I had heard of and there is little in the proposed rename to indicate that it is an actual class of ship. There are similar problems with the destroyers and the cutters for instance, although they are better known clssifications. Cjc13 (talk) 18:24, 20 November 2011 (UTC)