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For peace[edit]

Southern Rhodesia in World War I, thank you, precious again! - plea for peace is on top of my user page, did you know ... that Geistliche Chormusik, a collection of 29 motets by Heinrich Schütz (pictured) containing a "plea for peace", appeared in 1648, when the Thirty Years' War ended? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:55, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Gerda! Very nice! Cliftonian (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, sir!!![edit]

Thank you and the host of others for the wonderful article on Rhodesian in WWI and a bouquet for Wikipedia for including it on their front page! I guess your busy in Gaza; have fun with giving out the "harmony pills".Foofbun (talk) 06:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks bru—I am doing well. I'm glad you like the article! For me fiction has nothing on real history. Cliftonian (talk) 16:49, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 August 2014[edit]

John Plagis[edit]

I'm going to the British Library tomorrow and will report back on what, if anything, I can get access to in The Rhodesia Herald. The BL's website implies that the paper can't be accessed at the moment, pending the transition from paper copies to digital ones, but I'll interrogate a library assistant and take it from there. More tomorrow. Hope all is tickety-boo, Tim riley talk 14:37, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for doing this and for keeping me updated, Tim. I really appreciate it. Things here are fine. I have known for a while that the little one coming sometime next month was going to take my office for his room but I have just an hour ago finally moved my desk out to its new location at the end of my living room—a minor event compared to the actual big day, of course, but symbolic all the same. Prams are ridiculously expensive. Hope all is well that side. Cheers and have a great weekend. Cliftonian (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I should mention that The Rhodesia Herald isn't the only Rhodesian paper that could help us out regarding Plagis—The Chronicle of Bulawayo could help too as might the Salisbury Sunday Mail, both of which the BL has (according to the website). Check for the Herald first though as it was the national paper of record. Cliftonian (talk) 16:38, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm glad to say the BL has got The Rhodesia Herald for 1974 on microfiche. I have ordered it for next Wednesday and will report back. It amuses me to be using microfilm at the BL because in the 1970s when it was regarded as high-tech stuff I was partly responsible for specing and ordering a particularly advanced microfilm camera for the BL Newspaper Library (now closed) at Colindale, and there is every chance that the pages I'll be looking at next week were scanned on that very device. – Tim riley talk 13:13, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
It is indeed a small world we live in and these things seem to happen more often than one would expect. I regret that I never visited the BL in all the time I lived in London, I will make a point to do so next time I am there. Thank you very much for taking the time to help me with this Tim, I really appreciate it. I hope that you are having a pleasant and productive weekend. Keep well. Cliftonian (talk) 13:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CI, August 2014[edit]

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The Signpost: 13 August 2014[edit]

The Signpost: 20 August 2014[edit]

AFC Kingston[edit]

Moocamp isn't a reliable source but WISA is then? How does that work then? The article is clearly written by an AFC fan, there's not a single thing about the reaction of MK Dons and as much as everyone likes to ignore, yes, the fans do consider themselves as the true Dons and do not consider AFC a continuation of Wimbledon FC (despite whatever your POV might be). Also removing Guardian and BBC News links is a bit unfair do you not think? I know AFC are very touchy about their claimed origins but the fact are there's two sides tot he argument. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:22, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I did not remove any BBC or Guardian links. Check the article again. I moved almost all of the information you added to the article to other parts where it was more relevant, and tidied the references you added as sources. The only thing you added that I actually took out is the thing about Wimbledon F.C. fans who stuck with the original team referring to AFC Wimbledon as "AFC Kingston". This was partly because the only source provided was Moocamp, which is of dubious reliability because it is a self-published online blog (see wp:sps), but actually mostly because the passage you added it to was discussing the immediate aftermath of AFC Wimbledon being formed in 2002. There may well have been Wimbledon F.C. fans at the time who referred to the new club as AFC Kingston but to say fans now do so is not relevant to that section. I'm not an AFC fan, incidentally. Cliftonian (talk) 15:34, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The article overall is still very one-sided, makes out the AFC and WISA to be some kind of saviour when in fact they were part of the problem. MKD may not be great and whole situation stinks, but to say it was all Milton Keynes' fault is unfair. It didn't set a precedent either, just 8 years before Livingston FC moved in 1995, previously known as Meadowbank Thistle Abcmaxx (talk) 15:45, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

We had a section in the article before discussing the cases of Livingston and the other 1990s relocation in Scotland, that of Clyde F.C., who moved from Glasgow to Cumbernauld in 1994. I wrote it. It was taken out a couple of years ago by an IP who deemed it irrelevant to the article's immediate scope. Perhaps we can look at reintegrating it in a shorter form. Thank you for the information you added to the article earlier as I do think it is an improvement. I agree the article is not perfect but I don't think it is as one-sided as you seem to think it is. Cliftonian (talk) 16:03, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
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Peer review – or not[edit]

I've been meaning to ask you this for ages, but kept forgetting. Our exchange about the Keswick PR has jogged my memory. I don't think you generally take your articles to peer review before going to FAC, and I wonder why that is. To me, PR is a much more relaxed and less relentlessly spotlit place to have one's prose picked over, so that with any luck one can then take the finished article to FAC and see it through without too much aggro. Just my two penn'orth. Tim riley talk 17:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

There's no particular reason; just habit really. I have always done it a certain way—DYK, GA, then FA. But I think there is merit to what you say so I think next time I will adopt the PR route. Thanks for thinking of me and I will have a look in on Keswick later today and/or tomorrow. Cliftonian (talk) 09:28, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for John Plagis[edit]

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Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on John Plagis. TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:15, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Cheers Tony. Cliftonian (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2014 (UTC)