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Hi Codename Lisa,

Would you be interested in helping Marielle for the next six weeks with a mentorship project to help teenage students create TemplateData? Some information about the work and the sign-up process is is available here: mw:Google Code-in 2014#Mentors' corner. Mostly what's required is showing a few young people how to create TemplateData. The new volunteers we've had on similar projects in the past have proven to be pretty good, and several of them stuck around and kept working on it after the program officially ended.

Marielle doesn't think she can do this by herself, but she'd really like to have this added to the list. When the talk turned to great editors with both the technical and social skills to be successful mentors, I thought of you first. I know it's super-short notice, but I really hope you will be able to help out with this. (Andre can help you if you have any questions; he's the main organizer. Otherwise, you can just leave a note for Marielle—maybe at her talk page, since she's usually easier to find over there.) Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 14:59, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

That would be cool indeed! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 15:21, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF), AKlapper (WMF): Hi. I have many questions. I start with two.
First, what kind of Internet connection am I supposed to have? Am I supposed to spend hours in a live audio and video session? Or is my participation forum-like, i.e. asynchronous responses? Or is it something in between, like IRC? (Please explain the nature.)
Second, I have read the article to which you linked but I still don't have a picture. Can I know more?
As for my answer, it is definitely a "yes". All my life, I was afraid of social situations, teamwork and teaching. Signing up with Wikipedia and nominating an article for Featured Article shortly thereafter was a colossal step for me; it appears God really favors the bold. Right now, I am both excited and sweating. I am telling you this so that there is no doubt about who you are dealing with.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 18:53, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Codename Lisa, thanks for your reply! Google Code-in tasks are tracked and managed on a website called "Google Melange" - as Google is running this contest (and Wikimedia is one of those organizations who provide tasks) they have their own platform and rules for it. I'm on a rather slow internet connection and it's not been a problem so far. It's up to the mentor of a task to define the preferred communication channels in the task description (and timezone the mentor is available in). The better and more explicit the task description (guidelines of steps a student has to perform, what exactly is expected as outcome from the student to let the student pass, where to provide that outcome), the less misunderstandings or misexpectations. :) For example, last year we had mentors who defined in the GCI tasks which they mentored that the entire communication between student and mentor should happen on wikipages, and Google Melange was only used for the student to claim the task, the mentor to assign it, and the mentor to close it as either "resolved" or "needs more work" after a student has provided the requested wotk. For me as a mentor, communication has been mostly asynchronous in the Google Melange system and on bug reports in Wikimedia Phabricator, though sometimes combined with IRC chats. When it comes to time, the only requirement that Google sets us is that we are expected to reply to students within 36 hours (when they have questions or reviewing their contributions for a GCI task) but others are often around to help. Does this reply help a little bit? Sorry if this is a long unstructured answer, it's past midnight and a long day... Please don't hesitate to ask more questions if something on mw:Google Code-in 2014 is unclear - I am very happy to answer (and of course I am also always happy to have more mentors in GCI who help 14-17yr old students to get an idea of ways to contribute to free software). :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 00:58, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
Yay! Marielle will be so happy, too.
I've looked at several of the tasks, and the better-written ones tend to have numbered steps, with the last being something like "report that you did this". The more cookbook-style the approach, the better. You might imagine that you were writing instructions for a new editor to help you as you're working on TemplateData. Perhaps step 1 would be to read the docs, step 2 would be to pick a template off a given list, etc. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 15:07, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF), AKlapper (WMF): Uh, guys, I seem to have hit a snag. I cannot sign up with Google Code-in; apparently, Google Code does not serve in my region because of local jurisdiction. They are requesting real-world name, address and phone number and won't accept mine.
Perhaps there is another way I can help?
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 00:52, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Lie your ass off. As long as they don't try to contact you... Fleet Command (talk) 13:11, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Codename Lisa, last year we had a very similar problem in GCI - we "solved" that by defining in the GCI task description that all communication with the mentor must happen on some wikipage etc. So basically either the org admins or a co-mentor of the task could "proxy" for you and you don't touch Google Melange at all - but of course that requires some timely communication between the actual mentor outside of Google Melange and the "proxy". As said, that could either be a co-mentor or really an org admin who will "forward" and create tasks for you into Google Melange (with clear instructions where to contact the actual mentor instead), assign such tasks to students once they claim a task, receive a message from you when you are satisfied with the result, and close the task in Google Melange for you. Note that you should be able to follow tasks in Google Melange even if you are not logged in - it's just that they would be reas-only. :) --Malyacko (talk) 13:36, 6 December 2014 (UTC) (that's AKlapper (WMF) from his personal account because he didn't remember that password while travelling with another computer)
I hear you, Andre. I believe the "org admin" would be you and Federico Leva, and the co-mentor would be Marielle. Am I correct? If so, let's get it started. (We've been talking for three days already.) In a few hours (judging by the time zone), I'll contact Marielle and will notify her that I am available to assist. In the mean time, are you willing to act as one of the proxies?
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 02:14, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Org admins are Nemo (Federico), Quim and me so far, correct. So I guess we could set Marielle as the mentor in Google Melange (and I can be set as co-mentor in Code-in just for the paper and to also receive notifications), and you'd need to "draft" a task description (it could be even generic so we can create the very same task several times in Google Melange and make it available to several students): A sentence explaining what TemplateData is and why we have it, a link to more information about that, instructions like "What you are supposed to do: go to page X and pick two items from that list that you plan to work on. You must mention these items on this Google Melange task when you are claiming this task. You must also paste these two items on wikipage YZ where the entire communication with your mentors will happen. If you have questions about this task, you must ask your questions on YZ instead of Google Melange!" followed by the generic footer. (I guess something like that - I'm personally clueless about TemplateData and "two items" is just a placeholder for whatever makes sense.) And I guess I have linked to mw:Google Code-in 2014#Mentors.27_corner already for a list of other data we need for a task, like tags or hours to complete (be generous), and that reviews are expected within 36h.
So either Marielle could create such a task in Melange (and then any admin would review it and afterwards "publish" it so it will become available for students in the system) or I'm very happy to do that (once there is a task description you have agreed on). I'm also happy to "clone" such a task in case you come up with a generic description. And it's up to Marielle and you where exactly you want to "draft" and agree on the task description. :) Last but not least, I might repeat myself but: Thank you! --Malyacko (talk) 02:58, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Have you started writing a task description? I have an idea for a beginner-level task, which is to write TemplateData for all of the dated maintenance templates listed at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Dated templates. The instructions could be to pick one (a beginner's task is supposed to take less than 30 minutes), read the /doc page, determine whether the TemplateData exists, and whether it's complete (all parameters present), and whether the |date= uses the new autovalue feature, and maybe a guess at whether fixing it would be a large/complex task (a couple of links should help them figure out what we mean, or we could do something arbitrary like, "five parameters or less is small, six parameters or more is large"). The task is "complete" when answers to those questions are reported and/or the link is placed in a useful list (e.g., the correct section of Wikipedia:TemplateData#Commonly_used_templates with a brief note or code about what it needs, vs a note to you if the template is correct and complete).

Then (using that information) you could make both "basic" and "advanced" tasks of creating, correcting (e.g., adding autovalue), or expanding (e.g., adding missing parameters) to TemplateData for the ones that need it.

What do you think? Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 03:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

@Whatamidoing (WMF), AKlapper (WMF): Hi guys. I am back after four days in UTC time. (Mission; short notice; see the tag on the top; hopefully won't happen in another month.) Anyway, I posted task descriptions to Ms. Volz's talk page on Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 11:04, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

I've entered 3 of the tasks to both Google Melange and here: User:Mvolz/GCI TemplateData Tasks. Two of the tasks I folded in with another, as they seemed somewhat sequential and could be rolled into one (for instance, finding 10 templates, and adding TD for 10 is now one tasks) Feel free to add tasks to that page. @Whatamidoing (WMF), AKlapper (WMF): — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvolz (talkcontribs) 14:59, 12 December 2014‎

This sounds great. I'm looking at it now. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
I added links to a couple of lists of templates that contain (mostly) simpler templates. I think it will make it easier for them to find simpler templates, and thus they'll spend more time writing TD and less time searching for a template.
It's probably worth asking the participants if they need more detailed instructions, or if they're having fun figuring it all out. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
@AKlapper (WMF), Mvolz: Hi. Of the three tasks listed on User:Mvolz/GCI TemplateData Tasks, I can only find two on Google Melange. Also, I sumbitted a fourth task for review to mw:User talk:Mvolz (WMF) (assuming that it is the fastest comm. channel with Ms. Volz) but I am yet to receive any response. I am in a bit of dilemma as to whether I can submit more tasks or not. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 22:35, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
@Codename Lisa: Hi. Hmm, weird... I see three tasks on Google Melange: 1, 2, 3. Unfortunately I cannot help with reviewing the proposals on MVolz' talk page as I'm pretty clueless when it comes to template data. :) If you feel comfortable enough mentoring them and if MVolz doesn't find time to respond soon (let's give her a little bit more time) I'll be happy to act as a proxy in Google Melange if you tell me which exact tasks to enter in Melange. The existing tasks looked pretty cool and "well-written" to me as far as I can judge, congrats. And of course thanks to you both for mentoring! --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 07:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: The reason that only two show up may be because one has been completed. Of the two other tasks, one is currently being worked on (although I have not have had any further communication with the person working on it other than that they claimed the task) and one is unclaimed. I had a look at the new task you created- I am not sure what the benefit of finding templates of a particular type with no TemplateData is, but then not doing anything with them? Mvolz (talk) 16:17, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I thought the benefit is education, but you certainly know better than I do, Ms. Mvolz, at least because of having previous GCI experience. You can escalate it to "...and write TemplateData for them" but then, I advise setting the level to "Super-advanced". They require Lua knowledge, deciphering code and consolidation. Writing TemplateData for Module-based templates is the most advanced task in Templates area of Wikipedia and second most advanced task in the area of Wikipedia coding. (The first is creating the Modules.) This grueling task, however, can only be significantly offset by striking a template that already has ample documentation but not TemplateData.
Now, as for more tasks, you can create tasks for writing TemplateData for {{Infobox file format}}, {{Infobox file system}}. {{Infobox character encoding}}, {{Infobox networking protocol}}, {{Infobox software license}}, {{Infobox computing standard}}, {{Infobox OS component}} and {{System requirements}}. That would be 8 tasks. Any student in doubt about what to write in the description field can contact me (preferably) with a ping or (alternatively) via this page or via email.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 00:27, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
@Mvolz, AKlapper (WMF), Whatamidoing (WMF): Did anyone receive my last message? Codename Lisa (talk) 14:44, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
My thinking for the "make a list" task was that it would be something that even a non-technical person could do, and that once the list existed, a task could be created to add the TemplateData (and/or the list could be posted to the usual place, where the lists are seriously out of date). Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 19:05, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
@Whatamidoing (WMF): I've said this myself a hundred times elsewhere, but my verb has always been "understand" not "do". Does "non-technical person" and "Google Code-in" not sound like polar opposites? (You yourself emphasized that these kids are rather brilliant.) In addition, there is not such thing as non-technical "To Do" in Wikipedia; only, there are options for a choice of technicality. i.e. one must be technical in the fields of physics, sport, cuisine, fashion, computing, fiction, copyright laws, history, carpentry, etc. Last but not least, the name of these templates might be technical but the job of doing their TemplateData isn't. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 00:45, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
I think what I was getting at re:list (which I'm not sure I was very clear about) is that students are supposed to be making a contribution to an open source project. We're not looking for purely educational tasks. Research definitely can be a contribution, but it just wasn't clear to me that this was useful to anyone as I couldn't think of any good use cases for that information (and could probably be done more efficiently programmatically). I could definitely be wrong about that though! Mvolz (talk) 13:32, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
@Codename Lisa: Thanks Lisa! I've added the latest task for review. I wasn't sure which 10 templates the student was going to pick for the "choose any" task, so I didn't want to list any specific templates until he'd finished choosing. Looks like no overlap though, so I'll put those up presently. Mvolz (talk) 13:32, 26 December 2014 (UTC)

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Sidebar navigation for Flash[edit]

I would like some help in building a sidebar navigation panel like the one on this page or this page, for the top-level articles on Flash ("part of a series of articles on Flash"):

  • Adobe Flash, Flash Player, Flash Pro, Flex Builder, (apache) Flex and AIR.
  • Should more articles be included? Flash has a whole bunch of related topics

Any idea how I can get started doing this and what is the [in]formal procedure if any?

Wonderfl (reply) 14:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Wonderfl
Because {{Adobe Flash}} is already in place, creating a sidebar at this stage is unwise. Sidebar cannot handle this immense number of links. (Oh, and Flex Builder is not called Flash Builder. It is already on {{Adobe Flash}}.) Basically, you will need to implement all the links on {{Adobe Flash}}, except the width of the box would be tiny. You can probably imagine how prohibitively tall the sidebar is going to be.
But, if you want to know how to made sidebars in general, please see {{sidebar}}.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
I've created a sidebar for the top-level Flash-related articles. Please review it. Hope its good. Wonderfl (reply) 03:12, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
@Wonderfl: I did. Like I said, I cannot support such a thing. We need less repetitive links, not more. And since everyone can edit Wikipedia, someone will come around and fill it with many more links. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 09:23, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

MS-Dos Copyright Infringement?[edit]

Hi Codename Lisa. Since when is it copyright infringement to reference a copyrighted work? I wrote a description of a well-known Dos command, cited the manual as a source and wrote a short usage guide. I did not copy and paste. I fail to see how I infringed copyright. Could you explain? Thanks. -- (talk) 00:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Verbatim transfer of content from other sources and close paraphrasing is forbidden by copyright laws, be it by copying and pasting or otherwise. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for details. Your text had only one minor difference from the manual: "Number" had become "errorlevel".
In addition, why do you create a syntax documentation of a command? Wikipedia is not an instruction manual after all.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 11:43, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children[edit]

Hi, yeah, admins make mistakes too. I was trying to clean up/condense the plot as a part of taking the article to GAN, but it's been years since I've seen the film. You're right that I missed mentioning that FF7 was a game (though I did add a link), but even the text as was referred to Geostigma as "the mysterious new ailment known as "Geostigma", which has no known cure."

Anyways, we're trying to pull all the remaining articles related to Final Fantasy VII up to at least GA- I've pinged you to the discussion at WT:SE. Do you want to help out, since you know the movie better than I do? --PresN 18:49, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm probably going to stop at GA level, though you or anyone else is welcome to take it further. I am well aware what FAC looks for; I've written 12 FAs, and the last one (Secret of Mana) passed in August. I've just started cleaning up the article, so not every edit is going to be immediately FA-standard. As to your points:
  • FAC doesn't usually care, actually, as long as you're consistent. That said, I do plan to do the full |work= and |publisher= thing, but I'll do them all in a later pass since many of the current references don't have a publisher listed.
  • The citation thing is incorrect. Cite news and Cite web are both Citation style 1 templates; they're in the same family as Cite journal, Cite book, etc. What you can't mix is {{Citation}} and the Template:Cite X templates, for the reason you stated.
  • While my changes may not have been up to FA standard yet, neither is the existing text. It didn't say what happened in the game vs. in the film, it uses terms like "reunited with Jenova" without specifying what that means, and has sentences like "Cloud charges at the two, who sets off a massive explosion engulfing the three." Since you know the plot better than I, and have a strong vision for how you want things to be phrased, please feel free to help out copy-editing the plot section for grammar and clarity. I'm going to stay away from that section for now and work on the other ones- it's no fun getting reverted, and the other sections have their own problems that need to get fixed for GA (like Production saying that the development started when Nojima wanted to write a story, which is not what the source said at all.)
  • In none of my changes did I call Marlene a boy, mention Mako or the Lifestream at all, refer to Aerith as Cloud's girlfriend, or mention the genre in any way. I agree there should not be any plot mistakes, but things like saying that Meteor hurt the planet (which you changed today saying "Verification failed – No damages to the planet") have been in the article for months at least before I started editing the page, so please don't say that I'm introducing plot errors without acknowledging that you think there are errors there already. If that's what not you were saying, then sorry. --PresN 03:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Same order again
  • Hmm, well, that might be true, I didn't use to do citations like that at FAC but I've been doing so for a while, so it may have changed under me
  • Looks like that FAC was more concerned that the same source was being used both ways, but it's academic in either respect, I try to stick with just cite web/journal/book, and not do anything in more than one way. Didn't know cite news did that with the publisher field, that's strange.
  • I certainly don't hate you at all! I was probably just getting a little defensive. You did a good job trying to save it at the GAR, it's a lot better than it was before.
  • Wow, that FAC was really harsh, and mainly due to Malleus (now named Eric Corbett, and no better mannered). I'm glad you stuck around anyway, and that you managed to get the article to FA the second time! I'll do my best not to make mistakes with the article, and if I do, feel free to change it or revert me. I'll try to keep my edits small to make it easier- I'm used to doing giant edits that rewrite a whole section in one go, but I'm also used to being the only editor on an article. --PresN 02:28, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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Latest stable software release[edit]

I've put some code in User:Tothwolf/Latest stable software release which was something I had been working on for Template:Latest stable software release. I figure it is better to have it on-wiki where someone can play with it instead of in an offline draft. It obviously isn't fully usable as is since the Ambox template would end up transcluded into {{Infobox software}}, but it will give you an idea what I meant by being able to display a message during a page preview. --Tothwolf (talk) 03:21, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

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Are articles like Quadrigram tolerated? Every statement is arbitrarily made, No notability claims, No refs, Not even primary refs! Are such articles allowed? Under what circumstances? Is it because the subject is a publically visible system, and therefore claims that pertain to the system are allowed so long as they can be independently verified by any party at any time? -- Wonderfl (reply) 08:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Wonderfl. Surprisingly, I think a well-made WP:AFD nomination can lead to its demise, especially if all the policies that you mentioned above (WP:N, WP:V and WP:NOTADVERT) are put forth. In Wikipedia, creation is always much easier than deletion. (Believe me, this is a good thing.) This even holds true for the image area, which is contently the subject of scrutiny, speedy deletion and heavy-handed treatment. But deletion is not so hard to deter people acting in good faith from striking down contents that must not be. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 08:15, 19 December 2014 (UTC)]
@Wonderfl: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Quadrigram. --Mdann52talk to me! 08:25, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—December 2014[edit]

Screenshot showing how to add or remove columns from a table

Did you know?

Basic table editing is now available in VisualEditor. You can add and remove rows and columns from existing tables at the click of a button.

The user guide has more information about how to use VisualEditor.

Since the last newsletter, the Editing Team has fixed many bugs and worked on table editing and performance. Their weekly status reports are posted on Upcoming plans are posted at the VisualEditor roadmap.

VisualEditor was deployed to several hundred remaining wikis as an opt-in beta feature at the end of November, except for most Wiktionaries (which depend heavily upon templates) and all Wikisources (which await integration with ProofreadPage).

Recent improvements[edit]

Basic support for editing tables is available. You can insert new tables, add and remove rows and columns, set or remove a caption for a table, and merge cells together. To change the contents of a cell, double-click inside it. More features will be added in the coming months. In addition, VisualEditor now ignores broken, invalid rowspan and colspan elements, instead of trying to repair them.

You can now use find and replace in VisualEditor, reachable through the tool menu or by pressing ⌃ Ctrl+F or ⌘ Cmd+F.

You can now create and edit simple <blockquote> paragraphs for quoting and indenting content. This changes a "Paragraph" into a "Block quote".

Some new keyboard sequences can be used to format content. At the start of the line, typing "*  " will make the line a bullet list; "1.  " or "# " will make it a numbered list; "==" will make it a section heading; ": " will make it a blockquote. If you didn't mean to use these tools, you can press undo to undo the formatting change. There are also two other keyboard sequences: "[[" for opening the link tool, and "{{" for opening the template tool, to help experienced editors. The existing standard keyboard shortcuts, like ⌃ Ctrl+K to open the link editor, still work.

If you add a category that has been redirected, then VisualEditor now adds its target. Categories without description pages show up as red.

You can again create and edit galleries as wikitext code.

Looking ahead[edit]

VisualEditor will replace the existing design with a new theme designed by the User Experience group. The new theme will be visible for desktop systems at in late December and at other sites early January. (You can see a developer preview of the old "Apex" theme and the new "MediaWiki" one which will replace it.)

The Editing team plans to add auto-fill features for citations in January. Planned changes to the media search dialog will make choosing between possible images easier.


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Thanks a bunch, HPD. Face-blush.svg Codename Lisa (talk) 07:51, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Seasonal Greets![edit]

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Merry Christmas[edit]

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Template editing[edit]

Codename Lisa, why are we permitting newly registered editors with fewer than 50 edits (e.g., [1]) to perform any task on a template with over 14,000 transclusions, let alone a purportedly vital task that is required for other functions to operate? I would also be grateful if you would provide a brief explanation of what was added, why the function is vital, and why it was not added by an experienced template editor before now. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:55, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Dirtlawyer1
Not only we are permitting, Wikimedia Foundation is running a program associated with Google Code-in 2014 encouraging talented editors to perform such edits. I and Marielle Volz from the foundation are supervising them. Seeing as how an editor with 69,113 edits such as yourself is ignorant about TemplateData and its nature makes me more certain than ever that edit count definitely has no role in this.
<TemplateData>...</TemplateData> allow VisualEditor to provide guidance to the users who add templates to pages. Please see Wikipedia:TemplateData for details.
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 02:04, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
P.S. Template:Infobox NFL player/doc page has only one transclusion. It is Template:Infobox NFL player that has 14,000+ transclusions and is semi-protected. Codename Lisa (talk) 02:09, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Codename, I think perhaps it is time for the foundation (and specialists such as yourself) to spend more time educating "ignorant" editors with 69,000 edits about such projects and the technical details involved. The fact that I have several dozen templates watch-listed and none of them incorporated TemplateData before December 26th tells me that it was not in wide use until recently, and someone is failing to keep experienced editors informed of such initiatives. I'm pretty sure that I am not the only one who hears alarm bells when newly registered users start editing templates and/or their instructions. You might also ask these talented new editors to include a brief edit summary explaining their template and template/doc edits and linking to further explanations. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 02:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Dirtlawyer1, TemplateData and VisualEditor have been the subject of heated debate for over a year now. You were alerted to its deployment via announcements at the top of your watchlist. Still, not knowing about it isn't something to be ashamed of; it happens. You also must have definitely seen a working syntax that was totally new to you, yet instead of investigating, you didn't pay any attention and reverted anyway. Again, one oversight is forgivable. But there is no point in taking things personally and starting a personal attack discussion like this. So, please drop rop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass. My technical revert is as personal as yours: Not at all personal!
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 04:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
Codename Lisa, this is not a "personal attack discussion"; far from it, and you should know better. I came to your talk page seeking an explanation. When I see a newly registered editor, with a red-linked user page and no user talk page history, with fewer than 50 edits, making significant changes to major templates without edit summaries, yes, I revert on sight. More often than not, that adds up to either ill-considered edits or vandalism on Wikipedia. As you know, every editor, including talented new ones who have been recruited by WMF, should be using edit summaries. I came here seeking an explanation -- one that could have been partially supplied with an edit summary in the original edit -- and instead I am receiving defensive heat from you. If you're going to be part of major changes -- and I have been in the past -- then you need to be prepared to explain your changes to other good-faith editors. Someone with your experience on Wikipedia (2+ years) knows this, especially if you work in areas of controversy (as visual editor has become). Misconstruing another editor's good-faith inquiry as a WP:NPA violation and quoting WP:STICK to an experienced editor (and linking them for his or her benefit) are also a tad over-the-top. If you're coaching these talented new editors, I hope that you will counsel them to (a) create a user page, (b) use edit summaries, and (c) be prepared to provide some explanation of their template edits even if they are doing so for umpteenth time. Please consider how you train your recruits -- and how you respond to other editors who inquire about their edits. No further response is needed. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 05:45, 28 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dirtlawyer1: I came to your talk page seeking an explanation. Really? My word! Your first sentence was why are we permitting newly registered editors with fewer than 50 edits ... which is a sentence that attackers choose. Next time, use the following sentence: "Hey, Codename Lisa. I am not sure I understand revision XXXXXXXX. What's it about?"
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 20:18, 28 December 2014 (UTC)