User talk:Cowlibob

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Right, whoops, I thought you change was something else for some reason. I apologize. YE Pacific Hurricane 12:58, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Apologies - mistake here - please ignore. Dollist (talk) 10:05, 2 July 2014 (UTC) Dollist (talk) 10:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

American Hustle[edit]

Thanks. I see that, but Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Accessibility/Data tables tutorial#Correct table captions shows non-boldfaced entries in the left-most column. I'm not seeing where it indicates these need to be in boldface for accessibility issues.

In any case, I do want to compliment you on the added refs. Wasn't my intention to remove those. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough. I've looked at many other featured lists and they don't use it so I guess it's no big deal. I can understand, it's annoying when you have to revert big edits when you want to keep some of it. Cowlibob (talk) 18:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Re Lafayette, Louisiana[edit]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I restored your edit, please carry on. Apologies. Yours, Quis separabit? 12:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Cate Blanchett picture[edit]


as you can see on commons, the picture is licensed under Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0. The photographer (not me) sent an OTRS authorization, so you may use the photo as you please, as long as you respect the license. cheers, Jean-Jacques Georges (talk) 17:57, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I'm unfamiliar with licensing for pictures. Cowlibob (talk) 20:35, 26 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I'd just like to point out this user who's recently edited both Narendra Modi and Rahul Gandhi articles. He has clear INC bias but I'm unsure in how to deal with his edits. Am I able to just reverse all his edits based on him having a bias or is that against wikipedia guidelines on political articles.Cowlibob (talk) 10:57, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out; this person's been on my radar for a bit, but I hadn't been aware of exactly how much POV pushing he had done. However, we need to be careful when removing content she/he adds, because a non-neutral edit, despite often being a problem, is not necessarily adding content that actually violates our policies, even our NPOV policy. For example, I could add the following sentence to the INC article; "In the 1999 general election, the Congress won a 114 seats, its lowest ever tally, which led to the resignation of Congress President Sitaram Kesri." This is a perfectly factual statement, supported by most every source on the subject. But it is not "neutral" towards the Congress. What I am getting at, is that problematic content is better evaluated through WP:V, WP:RS and WP:DUE. The NPOV policy says that we need to accurately reflect good sources. Therefore, content may be removed if has not been mentioned enough in good sources, if it is WP:OR, etc. Coming to our specific issue, the stuff Manveermalhi adds can mostly be removed under WP:DUE. In some cases, it might actually be worth keeping in modified form. I hope that was helpful. Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:47, 29 April 2014 (UTC)


Thanks pal for citing sources properly. Yogesh Khandke (talk) 10:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj videography[edit]

Hi, I have listened to, and completed, all the points that you put forward for the page in order to reach featured list status. Would you be able to take a look and see if any more improvements need to be made? Thank you, KaneZolanski (talk) 18:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC).

List of awards and nominations received by Bruno Mars - FLC[edit]

I still have to update some World Music Awards nominations, because the results didn't come all at once. Besides I'm waiting for response by other user to some edits. After all this will the page be promoted? Thank You. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@MarioSoulTruthFan: The number of people who comment on FLCs has reduced recently and I'm sorry that your list has been a victim of that. It was part of the reason why I commented was to get others to have a look. I'm not in control of promoting lists and for that to happen you need consensus to promote and then one of the more senior editors will look and make a decision to promote or not. As your list has been in a backlog for a long time, I'm sure it's a priority for them. Do not lose heart if it doesn't get promoted this time, your article is improving and each submission should make the next one easier, if it comes to that. Cowlibob (talk) 10:49, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

We did it[edit]

One down, a potential bunch to go. I would say the ones for Her and Gravity (which you've clearly already been working on) are prime candidates to be FL candidates. It seems like you more or less have Gravity covered, so perhaps you focus on that while I focus on Her, then we'll check each other? Corvoe (speak to me) / Comment on The FP's FA nom! 12:12, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Corvoe: Fantastic news! Ok I'll finish the work on Gravity. In regards to your signature, I'm not sure if it's kosher as some users make think it counts as canvassing. I know the Marvel Cinematic Universe list guys were asked to remove theirs for that very reason. Cowlibob (talk) 16:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Really? I saw several users with sigs like mine during GA or FA noms. Darkwarriorblake comes to mind specifically. Hey DWB, if you see this, were you ever asked to remove your signature for stuff like this? Corvoe (speak to me) / Comment on The FP's FA nom! 18:46, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
I was just banned for it. It was absolute bull, and is completely not against the guidelines, but a vocal minority complained and bam, banned over it, even though it worked perfectly fine for Prometheus' and Dishonored's FAC noms. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Critic notability[edit]

I'd say it depends: Is the IndieWire network of critics paid and professionally edited, or can anyone write reviews there? As for going to Cannes or any other film festival, any freelancer can do that, so it's not really a mark of notability. Given the dozens and dozens of major newspaper, magazine, broadcast (for example, NPR) and even some web critics (for example, Salon), there's not really a dearth of notable critics to choose from already. Hope this opinion helps. --Tenebrae (talk) 16:54, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Tenebrae: Thanks for your reply. According to Indiewire's website, you can join their network called Critic Wire by sending an email to their chief film critic. I don't think you get paid for it. Looking through their directory of critics, it contains a mixture of notable critics who have reviews in the LA Times, Boston Globe etc and others who just write on their website so I'm unsure what their vetting process is. Cowlibob (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Narendra Modi[edit]

"He was the third of four children born to Damodardas Mulchand Modi and his wife, Heeraben"

That is incorrect. They had six children. It has been widely reported in many different English and Gujarati newspapers. I have the exact names at Family of Narendra Modi. Thanks. Malaiya (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

That point does need to clarified. I brought it up on the talk page after I reverted your edit. Awaiting response by people who frequently edit that page. Cowlibob (talk) 17:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hi, Cowlibob. Thank you very much for your copy editing at List of Bangladesh Premier League captains. For those copy edits this article is now a FL. So thank you very much. -- Pratyya (Hello!) 13:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
@Pratyya Ghosh: Thanks! Happy to hear that. Continue the good work. Cowlibob (talk) 21:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)


So uh, I just realized a big oversight with both Gravity and American Hustle's accolade pages. We should have used {{sortname|(name)}} on the first entry if it was a person. This is a relatively quick fix, I just can't do it at work. If you do "Search and replace" on the "Advanced" editing tab, you can taking something like [[Jennifer Lawrence]] and quickly replace all instances of that (in the accolade section) with {{sortname|Jennifer|Lawrence}}. This way, when someone organizes the recipients, it's by last name instead of first.

Does that make any sense? It looks rambly. Corvoe (speak to me) 14:46, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it. Have already started the nom but doubt anyone is going to reply that quickly so we have time. Cowlibob (talk) 14:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
Very true. I don't think a change like that would slow the nom down even if it had started, so don't sweat it. It should really only take a minute or two. If you don't get around to it, I can always do it when I get home in a few hours. Corvoe (speak to me) 14:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
If it's ok, I'll leave it to you as I was bit confused. I should really get back to revising anyway.... Cowlibob (talk) 14:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)


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Tom Hanks filmography[edit]

I appreciate the work you've done -- especially the refs -- but please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers/Archive 9#Director.2C Budget.2C Box office columns in Filmography. Also, the yet-to-be-released note ("key") is unnecessary. It's obvious from the notes column. Thanks. --Musdan77 (talk) 02:19, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

@Musdan77: Thanks. I added those columns based on two recent featured lists (Christian Bale and Jake Gyllenhaal) which had them in, which I hope this list can be in the future but was unaware of the discussion that you've highlighted to me. I've removed the budget and box-office and key. I've retained the director column as I think it's useful for the reader to have a director column in a filmography especially of someone who's had such a long career. Hope that's ok. Cowlibob (talk) 11:57, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Great. Works for me. Thanks. --Musdan77 (talk) 20:02, 12 July 2014 (UTC)
Part 2: Again, I appreciate the work you've done. This time my concern is about the lead. I believe there are way too many citations. I looked at the featured filmographies (not everyone but most of them), and the one that has the most is the Christian Bale filmography with 33 (that's about 10 fewer than TH). And, both Woody Allen's and Christopher Walken's have only one. I'm of the opinion that just as lead sections in regular articles generally don't need cites, because they are supposed to be a summary of the main body -- so the refs can be found in the body, the lead in a filmography shouldn't need any, or very many, because if someone wants to verify something, they should be able to find it in the main article. --Musdan77 (talk) 03:11, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
@Musdan77:I've cut the references to 36 in the lead. I recognise that's probably too many citations. The problem I have is that according to WP:LEAD, any material likely to be challenged should be cited. I think this will include his debut role and how he got it, breakthrough role, debut as director, any awards he wins and whether a film was a hit/box office. This information is not included in the main table. Cowlibob (talk) 12:22, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
WP:LEADCITE also says, "The necessity for citations in a lead should be determined on a case-by-case basis by editorial consensus. Complex, current, or controversial subjects may require many citations; others, few or none. The presence of citations in the introduction is neither required in every article nor prohibited in any article." I don't think those things you mentioned would be considered "Complex, current, or controversial". If someone did want to challenge something (and they shouldn't if that info is already cited on the main article), they should put a cn tag there. Otherwise I think so many cites make it look cluttered and harder to read. And, I certainly don't think that more than one is needed for the same sentence. I could remove some myself, but I thought I would talk to you first. --Musdan77 (talk) 19:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
@Musdan77: I hadn't thought of it that way. I've just removed all the citations from the lead paragraph if it's questioned, it'll be easy to move it back. I've done a quick check that the main article has cited the info. Cowlibob (talk) 22:45, 9 August 2014 (UTC)


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Could you please add that in, in the appropriate way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 10:58, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Cowlibob (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello I know that Matt smith will be in the first episode of series 8 as I have seen it — Preceding unsigned comment added by K.collins07 (talkcontribs) 11:54, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Cowlibob (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

2014 Oscars[edit]

Hi there,

Would you please proofread 86th Academy Awards for Featured list promotion as I have done for Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of accolades received by Gravity (film)/archive1? I would greatly appreciate the help.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Cowlibob (talk) 10:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

2014 Academy Awards[edit]

I fixed everything you suggested regarding the 86th Academy Awards for featured list promotiion. Thank you for the help.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 16:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Featured list nomination[edit]

I watched the page and observed that you'd recently done an excellent job on List of accolades received by Frozen (2013 film), so I nominated it for featured list. Hope to see your further contributions and fixes on this article following other editors' comments. Cheers! ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 11:44, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, if you have no oppose may I add your name to the list of nominators, also? ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 11:45, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
@Quenhitran: Thanks for nominating. Not sure it was ready yet but feel free to add my name as co-nominator. Cowlibob (talk) 12:17, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Also you should ask Jedi94 as he's the article creator if they want to be added as well. Cowlibob (talk) 14:14, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Your help requested[edit]

Thank you for your suggestions on Military production during World War II. Bender235deleted over 3 months and 300 hours of my work, 40,000 characters of edits, and hundreds of constructive additions to the page. I am in the midst of uploading an enormous amount of PRIMARY SOURCE DATA and he deleted everything done so far as "wikipedia can not be a source for itself". I am enraged. There was not one comment, warning, question, request, or suggestion from this "editor". Can you please reverse all the deletions and keep this guy off the page. There are ongoing constructive edits from several other individuals watching this site. Please help resolve this. --Brukner (talk) 18:31, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Brukner:Don't worry, content is never lost on wikipedia so could be easily restored as it has been. As you have already reported the user to ANI. It would be best that you continue that discussion over there and find out why that user wanted to delete so much. The admin will be sure to take appropriate action if it was needlessly deleted. Best wishes Cowlibob (talk) 19:36, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

1987 Oscars[edit]

Hello again,

Would you kindly proofread the 59th Academy Awards for featured list promotion. I know that I have the 2014 Oscars still up. However, I believe that I addressed the concerns and the nomination has received support from at least four users. Your help is greatly appreciated.

--Birdienest81 (talk) 22:14, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I would love to but can only get to it in August as I'm taking a two week break from Wikipedia. Hope that's ok. Cowlibob (talk) 14:48, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Cowlibob (talk) 16:33, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Akshay Kumar filmography[edit]

Can you review the first paragraph of this FLC. You had left a note on its nomination page that it needed rewrite. I have worked on the first para instead of working on the whole section. If first para is OK then I will rewrite the other paras in the same manner. Thanks and enjoy the Wikibreak.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:27, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

The whole lead section has been copyedited/rewritten. Thanks!--Skr15081997 (talk) 10:55, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I have made a request for peer review of the article. Thanks.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
@Skr15081997: I think there's been a mistake in the nomination for the peer review as it's listed as closed at the moment. Cowlibob (talk) 14:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I followed all the instructions given in the PR guidelines pages. Probably, the PRbot listed it as closed because of the FLC template on the article's talk page. I have undid the bot's edit. You know the bot at the FLC and FAC is a bit slow, that's why the article's talk page still has that template.--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:51, 8 August 2014 (UTC)
I broke the bot's heart.[1].--Skr15081997 (talk) 14:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

FL nomination[edit]

Yes, thank you for all the support you've done to the article. Everything seems to have been solid by now. Best, ALittleQuenhi (talk to me) 03:17, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

List of Pakistan Test cricketers who have taken five wickets on debut[edit]

Hi, could you please have a look at this FLC. Regards, —Zia Khan 10:18, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Cowlibob (talk) 17:01, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Your concerns have been resolved there. Regards, —Zia Khan 00:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
FYI, The parent list is at peer review now! Regards, —Zia Khan 22:25, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For all of your excellent work involving Featured Lists! I see you've quickly become the go-to for help on any list, and that's awesome! Keep up the awesome work, it's always a pleasure collaborating with you. Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard)(my stuff) 17:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Aww, thanks! It's been a great learning experience. Cowlibob (talk) 21:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Her accolades[edit]

I just went through and made several changes in prep for FL, then nominated it. Here's hoping for a turkey! Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard)(my stuff) 18:11, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Made my own modifications to the list. Should be good to go! Cowlibob (talk) 21:07, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Great changes! Thank you as always, fantastic working with you. Sock (pka Corvoe) (be heard)(my stuff) 22:59, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
The fact that the film was Jonze's solo screenwriting debut should have a citation immediately next to it. I could not find any other issues with the nice lead section!--Skr15081997 (talk) 16:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
@Skr15081997: Thanks for having a look at it! I've added the citation now. Please add your comments on the FLC. [[2]] Cowlibob (talk) 17:32, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Lok Sabha project[edit]

You intend to work on the Lok Sabha project. Well, what actually have you planned. I am so keen on this because I also have a plan related to Lok Sabha.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:02, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

I was planning to do something tedious which was to transfer all the available general election results to each Lok Sabha constituency articles in time for next election. I've so far done Sikkim, Andaman & Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep Islands, Nagaland and a few other constituencies.
What was your plan? Cowlibob (talk) 12:12, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I won't reveal it here. It's so big that it would take at least a year to accomplish, even two years, even more. Thanks for updating the constituency articles. It's a much needed and appreciated work.--Skr15081997 (talk) 12:22, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
@Skr15081997: Thanks! Good luck with your one, whatever it is. Cowlibob (talk) 14:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for performing necessary edits on Narendra Modi. CutestPenguin Talk 15:12, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Cutest Penguin: Thanks! Happy Independence Day! Cowlibob (talk) 16:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! and same to you Cowlibob, Feeling proud to be an Indian. CutestPenguin Talk 04:26, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Re: Revert, Jeffrey Goldberg[edit]

I noticed you recently reverted a change with regards to "Jeffrey Goldberg" under "good faith". As an Israeli-American (e.g. he votes in Israeli elections, he served in the IDF), he should have his name listed in Hebrew as well. This is the standard with other Israelis (e.g. journalists, politicians), as well as other Israeli-Americans (please see recent Israeli ambassadors to DC).

I insist this wasn't vandalism, and the your edit was unnecessary. Thanks.

Re: Rakesh Jhaveri[edit]

Hi Cowlibob - not really sure why you removed text from the page. Could you please explain your issues so that we can work towards addressing them? Thanks - looking forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sevak.disha (talkcontribs) 10:32, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

@Sevak.disha: Your edit removed the POV tag which clearly does apply to this article. Just a cursory look at the text shows WP:PEACOCK words which introduce bias. Much of the key content is based of primary sources e.g. the website of his organisation which are unlikely to have a neutral point of view. On wikipedia, you should try to state facts and support these with reliable independent secondary sources as per WP:RS. I've started a discussion on the talkpage. Cowlibob (talk) 11:10, 16 August 2014 (UTC)