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1963–present[edit]

MoS doesn't say that this is preferred, and the fact that many similar articles perpetrate certain practices is no argument that they should not be changed. The problem with the construction you have reverted to is that it stresses "the present", which is a moving target and looks more exposed when, say, Clapton retires and the fact is not immediately recorded in this construction. At least "Since 1963" is less forthright in its construction of "the present", even if it may need to be updated just the same. Tony (talk) 04:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

I've raised the matter at MoS talk. Tony (talk) 04:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually WP:OTHERDATE does say the form "1996–present" is preferred in infoboxes." When Clapton retires, "Since 1963" is just as inaccurate as "1963–present", and I expect it will be corrected in short order. I've also posted my comments below at MoS talk:
The word "present" is a moving target, but I expect it would get corrected promptly as soon as it becomes incorrect. It's slightly easier to edit "1996–present" to "1996–2009", than "Since 1996" to "1996–2006". Another reason I support the form "1996–present" for infoboxes is purely asthetic. If an artist has two or more ranges of "Years active" (such as Deep Purple), the form "1996–present" lines up nicer with the preceding line containing specific years:
1968–1976
1984–present
Since infoboxes are basically a summary of data, they need not be made into proper English such as "Since 1996". From a technical viewpoint, ranges of data are typically given as minimum-to-maximum, and "1996–present" (or even "1996–") falls into that format. Many infoboxes follow the current recommendation of "1996–present". If it changes, there would be a lot of editing to do. CuriousEric (talk) 05:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
Proper English: no, but where there's a chance to save space by substituting proper English, why would you object? "Since 1996" is 10 characters; "1996–present" is 12.
On another matter, I note that you've [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimi_Hendrix&diff=310293651&oldid=310167059 linked "Scandinavia" and "Germany". Please see WP:LINK concerning common geographical names. The question is whether these links, which dilute the many high-value links (to people, songs, albums, etc) are likely to be clicked on at all, and whether they would assist the reader. Tony (talk) 03:00, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Hi Tony. Saving space is only important when not outweighed by other factors (which I've mentioned earlier). I have never seen a situation (such as within an infobox) where "1963–present" was too wide and caused a problem. I'm from the US, and didn't recall the exact location (and countries) of "Scandinavia", so I thought the link was useful. WP:LINK does recommend linking to "articles about geographic places that are likely to be unfamiliar to readers". A link to "Germany" could be questioned, but it wasn't linked earlier, and was relevent to his touring. Links to countries seem to be common in Wikipedia. Many articles about artists link to American, even though most readers probably know the location. As long as the "Germany" link didn't contribute to a "sea of blue", I thought it could be helpful. Personally I would rather leave (or add) a link that might be helpful to someone, as long as it doesn't seem to be overlinking. CuriousEric (talk) 04:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)


Proposed deletion of Lee Dorman (broadcaster)[edit]

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Hi Jeandré. I have no personal interest in the Lee Dorman (broadcaster) page. His information was inappropriate for the page of Lee Dorman (bassist of Iron Butterfly), so I moved it to his own page so it would not be lost. Would you mind notifying the user Leeudorman (talk) who originally added the Lee Dorman (broadcaster) information. Thanks. CuriousEric (talk) 02:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Care to[edit]

Explain this edit? Each and every one of them is unsourced and the one about US is sourced in article. Certifications doesnot imply the album has sold that much. Please see FA articles on singles and albums. I'm going to revert such changes and expect that you don't do them. --Legolas (talk2me) 04:41, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Your revision comment "removing sales" does not provide any reason. The "Sales/shipments" figures appear to be based on the certifications and multiplier for that particular country, which are sourced. Since the thresholds for similarly named certification in different countries vary, it is useful to see the sales numbers the certifications represent. The article Music recording sales certifications does state the awards are "based on the total units sold to retailers", hence the heading "Sales/shipments". Has there been any discussion or consensus about removing sales/shipments figures? Could you please refrain from deleting these figures until there is a discussion? CuriousEric (talk) 05:09, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Why are you changing date formats?[edit]

Could you please elaborate your reason for changing date formats here? Is "British date format for British artist" a Wikipedia policy, or did it simply seem common sense to you to change them? Yappy2bhere (talk) 01:58, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

The date formats differ between American and British English. Wikipedia policy is use the date format that is strongly tied to the subject of the article, see WP:DATE. Since Black Sabbath is an English band, articles pertaining to Black Sabbath should use British formats for dates, and also the British spelling of words (colour not color, etc.). British date formats were already used in many Black Sabbath articles. I was following policy and making them all consistent. The formats for accessdate values can be one of several, including American, British, and yyyy-mm-dd. I changed the American format dates to whichever was mostly used in the article, British or yyyy-mm-dd. CuriousEric (talk) 02:28, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
WP:DATE gives a reason for changing the format, then immediately gives a reason for not changing the format, so I decided to ask you what your reason was. So, these changes reflect your understanding that "articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country" includes articles on citizens of one or another country and their organizations (or, if you prefer, "citisens" and "organisations")? Yappy2bhere (talk) 02:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Correct. British date formats are also used for Eric Clapton, George Harrison, The Beatles, and The Rolling Stones for example. Consistency is also desirable. Since the British date format was used for the more popular Black Sabbath albums, it should be used for all of them. CuriousEric (talk) 03:23, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
OK, I understand what you're doing. Thanks for explaining, and have a happy New Year. Yappy2bhere (talk) 05:16, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
Happy New Year to you too. CuriousEric (talk) 05:21, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


Styx, Suite Madame Blue resemblance to Coven song opening[edit]

You've undone one of my edits. What section would you put this info in, then? Realistically, unless it's actually noted in some already published source by, say, a music critic, the only way to confirm this kind of information is to listen to both songs. It may be too much to ask of the rank & file, but collectors with copies of both albums, like myself, can confirm. Nonetheless, this kind of info is interesting to serious music aficionados (I've been at it for 35 years), and IMHO a place needs to be made for it. Pzzp (talk) 22:46, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

You are probably referring to the edit here. No offense intended, but the article is about the band Styx, not about the song "Suite Madame Blue". Your edit also falls under the category of original research which is against Wikipedia policy. CuriousEric (talk) 02:20, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Re:[edit]

I don't know; I actually prefer to see a "-" to a "&ndash ;". Think about new users, they would be very confused looking at the code. But this is not really a big deal for me, I only change it 'cause I have a handy script. Happy New Year to you too.—indopug (talk) 10:47, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

The Doors[edit]

I've requested an unofficial and preliminary article assessment; which is why all the images got initially erased - thanks for fighting for the ones that stayed! The only way to get this article raised is through extensive inline citations, from reliable sources. Until then, the article risks periodic butchering, esp. with images and uncited material. The whole article is basically uncited, so there's a rough road ahead... Doc9871 (talk) 13:36, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! Happy New Year! CuriousEric (talk) 19:24, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

You might want to check the newest "argument" on my talk page, where an editor named "Floydian" is desperately trying to rid the page of the newest image, claiming WP:NFCC policy number 3 (a). Basically, we have one image of The Doors, and no more are necessary. (Sigh)... Doc9871 (talk) 03:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

It gets worse. Apparently, the "Image Police" have been sent out after a feverish rally, raping and pillaging articles of their images. Now, File:Jim In Miami w-Hat.jpg is under assault at Wikipedia:Files_for_deletion/2010_January_5. If you're available to vote, make your voice heard, so as to keep as many appropriate historic images of The Doors on WP as feasible! Your help is greatly appreciated for the common understanding of all WP viewers... Doc9871 (talk) 07:30, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I placed my vote, "keep". Thanks for the heads-up. CuriousEric (talk) 12:49, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for helping keep WP a site that improves with age... Doc9871 (talk) 22:00, 5 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again for your support on the Jim & Pam image! Sooooo tired of seeing deletionist admin editors using the same weak comments to delete images, especially those of deceased individuals. The rules (especially NFCC #8 are so vague - this is what allows this sort of ridiculous and subjective reasoning for image deletion. Anyway, thanks again, and if you want to see another interesting argument I brought up against the "image-killer horde", see the discussion [[1]] of File:Young Jim.jpg regarding whether or not it's appropriate to show Jim before he was famous(!) Doc9871 (talk) 08:24, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
  • ...And thank you yet again for supporting the Jim Morrison image! Your vote locked the "No consensus", and it was great to see you back! When I saw the deletion discussion was closed and that you had weighed in, I was pleasantly surprised. I've "calmed down" my rhetoric since my last post above, but this is a perfect case where fair-use is preferable to a drawing. Every few months, someone who seeks out FU images for their destruction will pick on Jim, and I won't allow it because there exists the NFCC. If it were no free images, period, I could understand. Anyhoo, thanks again for sticking up for Jim, and keeping the article in better shape. Cheers :> Doc9871 (talk) 04:39, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
You're welcome. I'm just glad I saw it in time. I haven't been editing much lately. CuriousEric (talk) 04:50, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

The/the Beatles[edit]

Yes folks, it's here again. Please look at this link [2] and leave your vote. I thank you.--andreasegde (talk) 08:07, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

It was a tough decision, but I went with Support of "the". CuriousEricTalk 07:00, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

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The preference isn't very important to me. If it goes away, that's fine. CuriousEric 00:27, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

"The" versus "the Beatles"[edit]

There is a vote taking place in which we could use your input. — GabeMc (talk) 00:51, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Heh! Imagine if there wasn't even a "the" in the band's name and the band had the pluralization. It hopefully wouldn't get as far as it has...[3] ;> Doc talk 01:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
I voted: Support. Minimizing unneeded use of "the/The Beatles" is fine, but it should not be done by twisting the language to avoid it. I'm concerned that if we don't specifically require an uppercase (or lowercase) T mid-sentence, editors will change the case back and forth citing one reason or another. CuriousEric 01:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale has been added and image is used. CuriousEric 19:43, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

Planet of the Apes (1968 film)[edit]

Thank you for stepping in to prevent an edit war between myself and Daisyabigael. Spidey104 14:58, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome. CuriousEric 16:49, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

The Beatles/Years Active[edit]

There is a discussion occuring here involving debate about whether or not the Beatles were "active" during 1994-1996. Your input would be appreciated. — GabeMc (talk) 22:47, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

"Free as a Bird" proposed lede change[edit]

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Discussion on linking to streamed copies of albums[edit]

Wikipedia policy allows us to link to legal streamed copies of albums. It would be useful to draw up a guideline on how and when to link to such albums; however, there is concern that it may not be appropriate as the music would not be available in all parts of the world. Is the benefit of having access to the music for most users outweighed by the fact that some users will follow a link to find the music is not playable in their region? Your view would be helpful at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums. SilkTork ✔Tea time 02:10, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

All My Loving[edit]

You may want to contribute to a discussion on this article's talk page - your views, either way, would be appreciated.--Patthedog (talk) 08:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I left my response on the talk page. CuriousEric 04:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Done. Added licensing info. CuriousEric 21:13, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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Done. Added licensing info. CuriousEric 19:34, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

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I found and uploaded a better image for the Versions album, showing the original cover. "Robby Krieger - Versions CD cover.jpg" was for a "2 LPs on 1 CD" album and can be deleted. CuriousEric 21:29, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper Straw Poll[edit]

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Consensus[edit]

When you make a bold edit that is subsequently reverted, it's up to you to gain consensus for those edits to be made, whether those edits are an addition or a removal as per Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Wikipedia does not favour one or the other; editors removing content are not required to gain consensus for removal unless the removal of content that was already in the article. The content that I removed was added to the article in the edit immediately prior to the edit in which I removed it, and it had previously been removed by other editors, so it was up to that editor to gain consensus to add the content, which he chose not to do. Since you've now restored it, it's up to you to gain consensus for its restoration. I am aware that this content was previously in the article, but that doesn't justify its retention now. It's been out of the article for sometime now, having been opposed by at least three established editors, including one administrator,[4][5][6] and only 2 editors have attempted to restore it. Since the content has effectively been absent from the article since at least 10 October (more than two months and 238 edits ago), consensus is required to restore it, not remove it again. While discussion to that effect is underway, the status quo reigns, and since the content has been out of the article for more than 2 months, the status quo has to be the edit prior to the restoration of the content. I have now started a discussion regarding this at Talk:How I Met Your Mother#Websites. Your participation in this discussion is encouraged. --AussieLegend () 17:07, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

The edit on 9 October 2012 was removal of content already in the article since 1 April 2009, and that removal was reverted on the same day. The subsequent removal on 9 October 2012 should not have been done, that removal should have required consensus. The content has been absent for only 2 months, but has been present for over 3 1/2 years. I have left my comments on the Talk page. CuriousEric 03:23, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation link fixing one-day contest[edit]

I have decided to put on a mini-contest within the November 2013 monthly disambiguation contest, on Saturday, November 23 (UTC). I will personally give a $20 Amazon.com gift card to the disambiguator who fixes the most links on that server-day (see the project page for details on scoring points). Since we are not geared up to do an automated count for that day, at 00:00, 23 November 2013 (UTC) (which is 7:00 PM on November 22, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the project page leaderboard. I will presume that anyone who is not already listed on the leaderboard has precisely nine edits. At 01:00, 24 November 2013 (UTC) (8:00 PM on November 23, EST), I'll take a screenshot of the leaderboard at that time (the extra hour is to give the board time to update), and I will determine from that who our winner is. I will credit links fixed by turning a WP:DABCONCEPT page into an article, but you'll have to let me know me that you did so. Here's to a fun contest. Note that according to the Daily Disambig, we currently have under 256,000 disambiguation links to be fixed. If everyone in the disambiguation link fixers category were to fix 500 links, we would have them all done - so aim high! Cheers! bd2412 T 02:10, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Robin Trower albums[edit]

Perhaps they are notable, but the article has to give evidence of this from multiple reliable independent sources. You didn't add any. Deb (talk) 12:18, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Could you please let the articles stand so I and other authors have the opportunity to add references. There is no urgency to remove the articles. As WP:NM states "Failing to satisfy the notability guidelines is not a criterion for speedy deletion." CuriousEric 01:34, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
The point is that I haven't deleted the article, only redirected pending the addition of references. There is no urgency to create the article. If you are not yet ready to add the references, you should keep the article in your sandbox until it meets the criteria for inclusion. Deb (talk) 11:55, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

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Re: "unneeded commas" reversion: Slender_Man#2014 attempted murder[edit]

"Commas are used to separate parts of geographical references, such as city and state (Dallas, Texas) or city and country (Kampala, Uganda). Additionally, most style manuals, including The Chicago Manual of Style[12] and the AP Stylebook,[13] recommend that the second element be treated as a parenthetical, requiring a second comma after: "The plane landed in Kampala, Uganda, that evening.""[1]

Consciouslee (talk) 05:17, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Consciouslee, thanks for the education on the issue, it now makes sense. Your link to Top 5 Comma Errors was helpful, particularly the comment "the commas set off the state, because the state is merely a detail about the city". The Wikipedia Manual of Style also agrees with it per WP:COMMA. Although Wikipedia does not always follow the Chicago Manual of Style or AP Stylebook when there is an overriding guidline, for example Wikipedia uses punctuation outside of quotes per WP:LQ. CuriousEric 16:32, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...[edit]

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article New York Dolls (album)? The criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 01:52, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikilinking £ to pound sterling[edit]

Have you got a good example of this? I had a look around and noticed Monty Python and the Holy Grail has one in the infobox, but it would be helpful if I had a better example, because I can bet you this here cheese sandwich that somebody will pull this up if we ever get Abbey Road in a state suitable for FAC. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 17:57, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

There are numerous links to Pound sterling, although they may not all be a link from "£". A few that I checked, with the link from "£" are Concorde, Dylan Thomas, John Cleese, John Major, and John Hancock. Now, a link from a single "£" is barely noticeable, unless one is curious and waves the mouse over it. It seems pretty harmless to leave it linked. CuriousEric 18:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
I had a flick through that list, which is how I found the Holy Grail link. You'd have thought the link would be harmless, but the counterargument I've heard is that it's an "Easter Egg" link. Unless you have a browser that can tell you the link when you hover your mouse over it (which you can't with a mobile browser), you won't know where it takes you. Here, perhaps? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

The Beatles' North American releases[edit]

I've added the three Canada-only releases to the list, and changed the title of the header. There was some talk of actually making the article about the North American releases instead of just the US, so that's a step in that direction. If you'd like, you could update the chronologies at the individual album articles for consistency. Cheers. Radiopathy •talk• 00:00, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Good idea @Radiopathy! I've merged the Canada-only releases into The Beatles North American chronology. CuriousEric 01:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Beatles (album)[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)