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Nerdgasm for Christmas[edit]

For the first time in nearly 30 years, Dark Horse is reprinting Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book in Decmeber 2014, and a new 464-page all-prose Harvey Kurtzman bio will follow a few months later. Guess I'll be getting that article done in 2015. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Hmmm... sounds like a good time for shopping. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

City style format[edit]

When you apply AP style to a Japanese city, you don't add a comma-prefecture. You write it as "Osaka, Japan," etc. Tokyo is the only Japanese city that doesn't require a comma-Japan. AP style is for newspaper writing. An encyclopedia should be written according The Chicago Manual of Style. I don't see any logic in applying AP rules to article titles. Clodhopper Deluxe (talk) 13:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

@Clodhopper Deluxe: Well, the disambigution scheme is something I'm not happy with, either (I live in Shizuoka City, and it bugs me that it was moved to Shizuoka, Shizuoka). The RfC isn't about the disambiguation scheme, though—it's about mandatory disambiguation. Shizuoka City obviously can't sit at Shizuoka, but Yaizu, Shizuoka certainly could sit at Yaizu. I think it's best to wait until the current RfC is over, and then start another if someone wanted to propose changing the disambiguation scheme. I'd certainly be all for it, but I wouldn't support a proposal that "An encyclopedia should be written according The Chicago Manual of Style". If you haven't noticed, I'm not American. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:00, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
Gee, I thought Turkeys were American.(-: CMOS recommends Merriam-Webster while New Hart's Rules recommends Oxford. Both dictionaries give "Shizuoka." AP style would be "Shizuoka, Japan." "Shizuoka, Shizuoka" is pretty amusing. "Common name" and "disambiguation" are certainly Wiki-inventions, especially when they are applied like this. Isn't the obvious solution Shizuoka (city)? Dictionaries sometimes use superscripts to solve this problem. That would give you "Shizuoka1" and "Shizuoka2." Clodhopper Deluxe (talk) 05:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Welcome to Wikipedia, where the obvious solution is usually the most hated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:28, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
@Clodhopper Deluxe: I'm not happy with the current disambiguation scheme, but it is a separate issue. For now, getting rid of the mandatory disambiguation thing I think is pretty straightforward. Settling on a different disambiguation scheme, however, will take more thought and work. For instance, is Shizuoka (city) really better than Shizuoka City? The latter is a likely search term as it is used officially for a number of organizations, such as the Shizuoka City Association for Multicultural Exchange, the Shizuoka City Serizawa Keisuke Art Museum, and the Shizuoka City Tokaido Hiroshige Museum of Art. But then, this may not be common with other municipalities—for instance, I don't see "Yuza Town" being used in an official capacity. Unless a standard can be come up with that a consensus can form around, replacing the current disambig scheme will be an uphill battle (basically, a lack of consensus will mean sticking with what we've got, even if it turns out a majority hate it). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Did you know...?[edit]

Apparently Kundō Koyama is a food critic? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:23, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It looks like he's written some books on the subject of food [1][2][3] ... and a novel series called Ryōri no TetsujinIron Chef. N35 is Koyama's literary agent. Orange and Associates is some kind of marketing company, from what I can tell, and Koyama is the President and CEO. I don't see any info on it that isn't from the company itself. Founded in 2006. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:16, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Apparently he was also one of the scripters of Iron Chef, and scripted the back story (I've never actually seen the show—I always thought it was just a cooking show). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:25, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Iron Chef has a back story? That's... news. Super Saiyans? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:40, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Six months ago, I wouldn't've had a clue what you're talking about—my son's a recent Dragonball convert. Apparently the "back story" has something to do with the opening of the show, where the master introduces his castle? Have you ever seen the show? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • No, we never had cable. A... castle? Sounds like I should try to find some old editions. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Of course, I should've checked it out on YouTube in the first place. Some tycoon builds a Kitchen Stadium and pits his hand-picked Iron Chefs against all comers. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
          • So Master Kaga is Shang Tsung, with seven Goros, and they fight with kitchen knives and Parmesan cheese. Yep, will try and find something that doesn't involve streaming (my internet can't handle it). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Do you have a download limit? If it's just a matter of your connection being slow, you could always use youtube-dl to download the episodes you want. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:10, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
              • No, no download limit. I'll see if youtube-dl works. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

I was confused with the terms used at N35—Koyama is thedaihyō, a word that normally translates as "representative" (in the broad sense of the word). Apparently it can also mean CEO. I'm gussing it's perhaps an abbreviation of Daihyō torishimariyaku shachō, which translates as "President & CEO" and which is his title at Orange. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:19, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Hmm... Likely CEO, as N35 is listed as one of his official websites at ANN and the Japanese Wikipedia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:52, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Reading wp.ja, it looks like Koyama didn't actually co-design Kumamon, but had Mizuno design the character as one part of a promotional thing he was commissioned to do for Kumamoto. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Nixed. Wasn't quite sure of that either. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:04, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • BTW, I added you to the DYK nom for your additions. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Well, thank you! I'll just follow you around and make minor contribs to your articles and claim credit for now on ;) Oh, are you interested in another review of Okuribito, trashing Koyama's writing? Sure you are, we need more negative. And you must be interesting in the fact that Motoki did some did some nude modeling when he was younger. I mean, he's like hawt. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Shudder. Why do they need five or six "film"s in one green box. Why? And they have the nerve to trash someone else's writing? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:13, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Ya know, we have articles on Tony Rayns and Film Comment. That might be enough weight to actually include his review... though I wonder why everyone who trashes the film seems to not get the kegare aspect. Daigo had a pretty damn good reason to keep the truth hidden from his wife, at least in regards to NK Agency. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:20, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
              • Sorry, the "green box" (?) thing went over my head. And I think "kegare" is probably pretty foreign to ... uh ... foreigners. I mean, I thought it just meant "dirty" until we did this article. It's not like it's really explained in the movie. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                • You didn't get a pop-up? Lucky. BTW, Akira Sasō has some... creative... storylines. A 5th grader getting pregnant? Yeah, it happens, but... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                • Also, there are departments of manga in Japan? Can't imagine a department of comics here in Indonesia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:47, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                  • I have heard of departments of manga (I added something about it to the comics article). Remember, this is a country where something like 40% of everything published is comics. If you can imagine it, someone's made comics of it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:22, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                    • A cleaner version of Rule 34? So... what, Rule 17? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:23, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                      • What do you mean, cleaner? This is Japan. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:30, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                        • Well, seinen is generally a bit more soft-core, right? Rather than the... filth... which Rule 34 seems to produce. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:36, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                          • Seinen doesn't actually have anything to do with porn—it's a demographic rather than a genre—as it's an age-mature demographic you sometimes see softcore stuff in it. Dōjinshi are pretty famous for putting copyrighted properties in interesting situations. I haven't actually read any of that stuff, but I've seen plenty in used book shops and comic shops. I seem to remember the top floor of Mandarake in Nagoya was nothing but hentai porn. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:05, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                            • Sorry, just going on the article, which says that many manga targeted at seinen are fairly softcore. As for Dōjinshi... that's sometimes fun to read. Did you read the one where Obama has sex with the Japanese prime minister's maid, while the PM takes on Hillary Clinton? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:12, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                              • I've never read any of that stuff myself, but that sounds a lot like typical Tijuana bibles. Recently I was talking to a couple of 17-year-olds about TPP (because that's, like, what all the hip teenagers are talking about), and one expressed his total opposition to the deal as the stringent copyright laws would put an end to dōjinshi and, thus, Comiket. The other kid asked what dōjinshi were, and the first guy explained straight-facedly that it was porn about copyrighted characters. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:32, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh my god---I think that's the first time I ever laughed out loud at something from Cracked! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:38, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Face-smile.svg — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Are you kidding, Cracked.com is one of the best sources of humour on the Internet, complete with cited sources! Prhartcom (talk) 13:09, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
        • I guess I'm not familiar with the online version. I remember the magazine as something you put up with when Mad happened to be sold out. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:12, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
          • LOL. I think they kinda recognize that. But then, I never was into such magazines when I was younger. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:15, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Well, the heyday of these things is long past. When I discovered Mad in the late '80s, early '90s it was already running on fumes. Cracked, I think, has never run on anything but fumes. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
            • It's not your father's Cracked. The executive editor is David Wong (writer). Brilliant guy who figured out the perfect cocktail of humour, sarcasm, and facts. Prhartcom (talk) 13:18, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
              • What, no cawmix? I guess I'll have to check it out. My wife was giving me strange looks as I was laughing out loud at the Obama stuff. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:51, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                • He taught his contributors to write in his perfected style, so why not start with his articles: Cracked.com Articles by David Wong, including "5 Reasons The Future Will Be Ruled By B.S".
                  • Though recently they've been interviewing people about the strange or unexpected aspects of their jobs, or just plain strange jobs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
                    • This site looks like an enormous timesink—I'll have to exercise what little self-control I have to avoid it until I'm finished school next year. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:54, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                      • Not as bad as Wikipedia or TV Tropes, but... yeah. Archive binges can leave you coming up for air only days later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Curious: what is the difference between こども and コドモ? Aren't they both Kodomo? Wiktionary only has the first one. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
    • It depends on context, but they should all be basically the same word. The standard way to write it is in kanji 子供, but it's also frequently written in hiragana こども. Katakana コドモ would be unusual but far from unheard of, likely used to draw attention to it (perhaps like italics (which aren't used in Japanese), or in a brand name). What's the context? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Kodomo no Kodomo, which uses the katakana (example). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
        • It could be that some subtlety is going over my head, but I'd call it capricious stylization, like having a comic book called Krazy Komix. Edit: Well, not as silly as Krazy Komix, but not-particularly-deep stylization nonetheless. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:51, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
          • I assume you'll be following up with an article on the history and analysis of Obama porn? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
            • Perhaps its more childish than the Kanji? As for Obama porn... that's a maybe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
              • No, children learn hiragana before they learn katakana, and often find katakana a bit of a challenge (not because it's hard, but because its usage is limited, so they get a lot less experience with it). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                • Darn... hmm... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                  • Unless a source points out a particular meaning to the spelling, I'd just skip it. Honestly, I don't think it's deep, or even worth pointing out. That style of titling isn't even limited to comics. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:12, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                    • Nah, not for the article. Just personal curiosity. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Google translate is junk[edit]

  • I just have to share this one with you (will go on my Facebook wall too: "But the children of the "Children of Children" movie version, fishy only innocent innocent boys and girls too." (Source: "だが映画版『コドモのコドモ』の子供たちは、あまりに純真無垢な少年少女ばかりでインチキくさい。") — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, for Japanese it's junk. My mother once sent a long-assed thank-you note to my wife, and sent it through the G-Translate strainer first. We hd a good laugh at the gibberish it spewed out. English isn't my wife's strong point, but she would'v done better with the original. How about: "But the children in the film version of Kodomo no Kodomo are all such innocent little boys and girls that they come off as fake." Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:01, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Actually, "But the children of the "Children of Children" movie version" is much better than I've come to expect. I'd've thought something like "But movie version's "Child's Child"'s children". I'm impressed it's using definite articles idiomatically. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:04, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • How bad is it for Indonesian, by the way? Or do you bother? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Anything past short phrases becomes gobbledygook (sorry, no offense to Turkeys). Problem is the tenses: almost no tenses in Indonesian. Kodomo no Kodomo '​s almost as far as I'm willing to take it... don't want to go overboard on the film, and can't find much on the manga itself. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
        • Hey, gobbledygook is notoriously difficult to master. I'm also quite fluent in gibberish. By the way, is the boy's name really "Miyoko"? Normally that would be a girl's name—and later you have "She tells Hiroyuki, as the father". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!
          • Good catch! No it isn't; fixed. Just realized the version I was reading was incomplete, so now I'm seeing how good Adobe's OCR recognition is with Japanese text. The child gets adopted... but looks like the adopter is a new character. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:59, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
          • Okay, OCR is trash. Damn. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:06, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
            • I don't have any experience with Japanese OCR—and given the J-publishing industry's anti-digital stance, I doubt many others do, either. Are you trying to OCR comics? That's gotta be tough in any language. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:09, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
              • Last four chapters of Kodomo no Kodomo (now live; I keep wanting to write komodo...); apparently the version I read was incomplete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                • Are you sure "child pregnancy" is a genre? Meaning: I hope it's not! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
                  • Removed for now, as that's more of a theme. (Silly me, thinking Shindo '​s infobox was well done!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:27, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Where did you get "rub" for くっつけっ子? ja.wp indicates it was a name th two kids made up: "Kuttsukeru" means "to attach" or "stick together", while the "kko" indicates something you do together or to/for each other. I can see a translator maybe going with "rub", but I wouldn't translate くっつけっ子 itself as "rub". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • As noted in my edit summary, from User:Auric/Kodomo no Kodomo. Apparently someone else was working on an article for this series. Hidden. BTW, if you have the time, do you think you could summarize the last four chapters? (Like, maybe, 3 sentences). Link — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
      • Okay. I didn't add this directly, because I wasn't sure if the grandfather is actually senile or what's going on (since I haven't read teh earlier bits). You can edit it to fit better. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:41, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
The secret is found out when Haruna's senile (?) grandfather goes unexpectedly for a walk, taking the baby with him from the hideout. The adults who find him demand whose baby he is carrying, and Haruna confesses. Hiroyuki's parents refuse to acknowledge their son as the father, and the press and neighbours' talk drives them to move away to Hiroshima; at the last minute Hiroyuki gets off the train to affirm he is the father. Twelve years later, Haruna has raised Hajime alone and become a model. The classmates and their teacher gather at the old hideout, and Hajime meets his father for the first time. A pregnant Ms Yagi suddenly goes into labour, giving birth to a daughter she names Haruna.
    • His mind went a little... after the grandmother died. She did pretty much everything for him. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Thank you right kindly, Turkey-san. I promise I'll leave Japanese subjects alone for the next few weeks at least. I dare not distract you further from your studies. (BTW, Departures has three less redlinks then it did two weeks ago. Kewl). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I totally meant to leave you alone, but then Cracked gave us an article about giant dumplings instead of cakes and apartments meant to let singles mingle. Sounds like a very interesting life. (That dumpling looks hideous, by the way) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Blast you, Prhartcom. And I need that bonus for finishing this copyediting job ahead of schedule... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:48, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Oh, you guys! I've got two exams coming up Friday! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:17, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh, dear...[edit]

Quite flattering, but I'm pretty sure Miniapolis has quite a different opinion of me than Prhartcom does ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:10, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear. Was that a faux pas? By definition, I would be the last to know! Prhartcom (talk) 22:14, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
We've had a run-in, and Miniapolis has held a grudge ever since. I have to say, I dislike the job they've done on Tintin in Tibet (what's with throwing so much text into parentheses?), but I don't want to give the impression I'm out to get them by reverting it all ... oh, God, those edits are going to keep me up at night ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:17, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I know, right? That was his work. The yeti is not an afterthought! I'll change those back later. Would you like to have a go at it also when the time is right? For now, I am taking the attitude that this is a good thing. Prhartcom (talk) 22:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I'll take a look at it any time you want me to. I was thinking of giving it another go soon, since it looked like you were about ready to nominate it. I might obliterate my name from the comment you left, though; in the context, it looks like you're being a smartass. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:28, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
You're right, since that is the situation, I have reverted mentioning you. Thanks; I'll give you the heads up when the time is right. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 22:43, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Kundō Koyama[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 22:44, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Hmmm ... technically it was the film that won 98 awards, and not the screenply, no? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Ah, much picking of nits indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:49, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Arigatou[edit]

Kuniyoshi Utagawa, Suikoden Series 4.jpg A Swordsman for You
Thank you, Curly, for bringing Ukiyo-e to FA status. Congratulations! In recognition of this achievement, I grant you a swordsman (slightly worn), who will dice your teacher's answer key next Friday if you feel it necessary.

(BTW, I'm thinking Departures for FAC next week; thoughts?)  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, arigatou yourself! I'm ready for Departures when you are (just don't expect me to be very responsive tomorrow). I'm going to nominate Katsudou Shashin as well, thus ensuring myself a reputation as Japanese film expert. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:15, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Hearty congratulations! I am reading the article now; what a massive undertaking! Prhartcom (talk) 22:34, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Excellent. So next week, two Japanese films at FAC at the same time. Sounds like fun! Bencherlite will be pleased; he's been overrun by Indonesian films. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:43, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations! Johnbod (talk) 16:51, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Cooley–Tukey (fluorine FAC)[edit]

On 7 July I nominated the article on fluorine for FA status. I currently need image reviewers (Hamiltonstone has done half of the images already) and reference spotcheckers (the bane of all FACs). Would you be willing to help? Parcly Taxel 00:33, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

  • If you can wait until Saturday, I'll do the rest of the images. I've got two exams tomorrow, and I'm trying to limit my Wikipedia time today to study for them. If I don't get to them by Saturday, ping me again. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:46, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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Katsudō Shashin again[edit]

Glad to see it's up at FAC. I've reviewed. I'll nom Departures for us soon as well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:49, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Had to chuckle at this and your new signature. However, I don't know how kindly the delegates will take to a nominator supporting his own nomination (even in a comedic manner). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, they'll just have to spank me. I woke up for exam day at 03:45 and spent the day with a crick in my neck. Forgive me if my judgement was poorer than ideal. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:05, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
      • 3:45 on exam day? Sounds like a figurative pain in the neck too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:28, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Well, I'm almost always up around 4:30 or 5:00, so it's not quite the disaster it'd be for most people, but I still would rather have been a bit more rested. It's about an hour and a half to the test location though, so I was pretty worn out by the time I got home. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC),
          • Ah yes, that Japanese institution known as the train commute. Forgot about that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:03, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
            • No, that's a Tokyo thing. I can't understand how people there can live like that. It just so happens that, whenever I find someone qualified to invigilate my exams who's close to home, their employer turns around and says they're not allowed to (employers have that kind of power over their employees here). I finally managed to find someone qualified, willing, and able whose employer gave them the go-ahead, but they're located an hour and a half away. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:04, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Oh, alright. That sounds... well, annoying. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:20, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Three Beauties of the Present Day[edit]

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Three Beauties of the Present Day you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. Time2wait.svg This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ChrisGualtieri -- ChrisGualtieri (talk) 16:42, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your work on helping with the finishing touches on Tintin in Tibet! Midnightblueowl (talk) 22:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Well,thanks to you, as well! I see you're doing a lot of work on L'Étoile mystérieuse now—interesting story behind that one. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:59, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
And my thanks to you, Curly Turkey, for everything you have done to advance Tintin in Tibet. There have been many who have helped; I greatly appreciate you being one of them. Prhartcom (talk) 23:11, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom from Want (painting)/archive1[edit]

Since you commented at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom of Worship (painting)/archive1, I thought you might want to comment at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom from Want (painting)/archive1 since the latter is a far more notable painting and the FAC has no comments after over 3 weeks.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:29, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: Sure, but I won't get to it right away. If I don't show up in the next day or two, ping me again. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Three Beauties of the Present Day[edit]

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Your GA nomination of McIntosh (apple)[edit]

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DYK for Kodomo no Kodomo[edit]

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Peer review[edit]

Howdy Turkey. Don't know your plans about the summer vacation, but if you're still around the Wiki, can you provide some feedback on Endgame's peer review, located here? It's a really short album article and you won't spend much time on it. I don't know if the nominator has an FA candidature on mind, but regardless, any input is welcomed. Have a good one.--Retrohead (talk) 23:25, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

  • I'm not home today, but I can check it out tomorrow. Give me a ping if I forget. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:41, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Team Barnstar Hires.png The Teamwork Barnstar
Great work on getting Megadeth to FA status. This is the first heavy metal-related article to be promoted in five years. This accomplishment wouldn't have been possible without your assistance. Retrohead (talk) 08:41, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, looking at your activity, it looks like it won't be five years before the next one! You wouldn't happen to have Sepultura on your to-do list, would you? I think they were my favourite thrash band (though their article calls them a death metal band—I don't remember them being called one in any of the guitar magazines I used to buy). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:11, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Okuribito - Last post?[edit]

I got the DVD now. Will watch the interview. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:30, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Okay, I've added some information (about a thousand characters *gasp*) from the interview and moved the bit about internationalisation. Ya know, it's kinda depressing that this film article is almost longer than that of the father of the Indonesian Army. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
    • "Almost"? Sudirman clocks in at 41kb of readable prose—Departures at 42kb. Looks like we've just contributed to Wikipedia's reputation of having much better coverage of pop culture info than history. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:28, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Almost 42... I forgot that I'd trimmed the lead quite a bit after this ran on the MP (it was 43k). Yeah, but at least it's historical pop culture. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
        • Well, now you need to add another 2kb on the film's Indonesian reception to push it over the top. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:34, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
          • Totally undue Face-wink.svg. I'm still waiting for Departures, the Flame Thrower. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
            • What, did I forget to click Save on that one? Dagnabbit, I'll never find that source again! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
              • Damn it indeed! There go my plans to go all Ah-nold on some people. "Hope this is an interesting ... Departure!" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:22, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
                • "Today ve'll haf de cremation before de funeral!" Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:40, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Congrats![edit]

Two FAs in a single go. Not bad at all. Now we're talking turkey. :) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I just heard; congratulations to both of your for your article's promotion to FA! I read as much of the article as I could but the scroll bar never seemed to move. Thanks bringing this film to our attention; no one else could have given this subject the treatment it deserves. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 14:35, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Yeah, it is a bit long now isn't it? Mind, not much we could have done to tighten the prose and not lose any information. This is longer than some US president articles :-P  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
    • As it should be. Who wants to read about a US president? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:39, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Probs the same people who think Maus should be deleted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

FAC image review[edit]

Hi CT, many thanks for the image review you've undertaken on George Formby: it's much appreciated, and it think I've covered off all the necessary points, except the sandwiching, which is need to review more closely on a couple of other screens.

Can I ask you do a similar review for John Gielgud? It should be OK: Crisco has been involved in some of the uploads, which should be a good indication of the standard. Any thoughts or comments on this would be greatly appreciated. Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 21:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

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ANRFC[edit]

Hello Curly Turkey. You will have seen that I have again removed your request from ANRFC as a duplicate. This discussion has already been nominated for closure by Cunard on 17 August. See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Requests for closure#Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Japan-related articles#RfC: Mandatory disambiguation for Japanese places?. Cheers, Number 57 09:47, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

  • Sorry, Number 57—I thought you'd removed it as a "duplicate" of the mistaken one I'd posted above it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:43, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Within the past day, the duplicate request is still there. I closed the primary one, but Curly Turkey requested an admin closure. Was there a reason for requesting an admin closure, or is the non-admin closure satisfactory? Robert McClenon (talk) 03:08, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Robert McClenon; I don't know nearly enogugh about the technical aspects of RfCs to say whether an admin is necessary—aside from how heated the discussion has been in the past. If you think it's not, then I guess it's not. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:14, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Some types of closures, typically in article talk space and Wikipedia talk space (MOS being in this group), request "an experienced editor". Some request an admin, such as categories, where the admin privilege may be needed to implement the close. It isn't supposed to matter whether the closure is contentious as to whether an admin is needed. Conduct issues can be dealt with, including by block, either while the RFC is in process (fortunately quite rare - usually an open RFC makes editors polite in order to be persuasive), or after the close if there is edit-warring against consensus. Maybe someone should curse in Japanese at the difficult editors. I don't know Japanese, but that isn't necessary to determine consensus when the discussion is in English. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:21, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Wow, WikiWand...[edit]

What a way to botch Ukiyo-e. Aside from the absolute worst possible selection of lead image, it doesn't appear the site handles image galleries well on any article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

And A Contract with God leads with an image of Elie Wiesel ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

But I like how it illustrated the Creation Museum. Prhartcom (talk) 13:52, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Face-wink.svg Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Canvassing response[edit]

If you are talking about the messages I've been sending to the other editors, I was just getting them involved in the dispute about what to call the page naming that we have been talking about. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:01, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Rtkat3: Yes, I'm perfectly well aware of what you were doing: It's called WP:CANVASSing, and it's unacceptable. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:29, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about that. Didn't know about the canvassing issues until today. Now I know. --Rtkat3 (talk) 02:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Talk page post[edit]

Please do not disrupt other user's posts.

I used numbering here so that they could be referred to in a response, not so so a response could be inserted between points and potentially lose my signature on the original portion.

Do you want to go fix your cock up or should I?

- J Greb (talk) 03:10, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

  • "disrupt other user's posts"?!? "Cock up"?!? The numbering remains fully intact and readable. There is no issue. Why the aggression? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Found your office[edit]

Is this where you're hiding? An "excellent room" for writing? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:57, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
That's quite good. (Smiling) Prhartcom (talk) 16:04, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • And apparently the hiragana spells out (phonetically) "E-ku-se-re-n ru-ma" (excellent room). I wouldn't put it past Curly to have something like that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:08, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • You two and your hiragana there-a-gana. What's he studying for? Is he getting his PhD? Prhartcom (talk) 16:11, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
  • You'd have to ask him. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
    • No, just a B.A. in French—by correspondence. I don't recommend it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • My wife is really good at French. I do not have much college-level training on the subject but I love the language. Best of luck with it, I'll bet you are acing it! I too have been in college for the past year; it is all technical computer training for industry certification. I understand how important it is to study when it is time to study. Prhartcom (talk) 03:58, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • By correspondence? In Japan? Damn. (Why not a BA in manga?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
  • For "writing"... yes. Yes, "writing" is what I do in the "Club Excellent Room". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:30, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
    • Ah, that kind of "excellent". *laugh* — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
      • Only the most excellent excellence can stimulate my pen. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
        • The pen is mightier, after all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

for formatting Talk:Japanese units of measurement. It looked OK when I clicked "Show preview". I have no idea what went wrong. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 16:05, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations[edit]

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Departures (film) and Katsudō Shashin to FA status recently. I know you know all about WP:TFAR (specific and non-specific date slots) and the "pending" list, so this is just a reminder to use them as and when suits you. Many thanks. Not forgetting Ukiyo-e, of course, which is a particular delight to read. BencherliteTalk 14:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

I might take a week off[edit]

Hello Curly Turkey and hopefully also talk page stalker Crisco 1492. I believe we have some overreach going on over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Tintin in Tibet/archive1. I have given my two cents to him; perhaps now Midnightblueowl will respond, but I believe I might take a few days off from Wikipedia (and return to my studies) as it is energy draining when dealing with the insatiable. I would be interested in hearing anyone's thoughts. Prhartcom (talk) 18:06, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Take a break if you need to. Hopefully Midnight can take over a few points. The reviewer seems about ready, so hopefully there won't be too many points. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
Have a good break! I am massively up to my neck with (real life) work at the moment, but will do what I can! Midnightblueowl (talk) 18:30, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I admire your resolve---I tell myself to take a break every morning, but just after checking my watchlist... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:08, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey, Crisco 1492, and of course Midnightblueowl; If you folks could please comment on the final point being discussed at "Comments from Neelix", I would appreciate it. Look for the phrase "please help". Prhartcom (talk) 19:14, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Ukiyo-e[edit]

I stopped by the Ukiyo-e article to take a look at the infobox in the lead section and saw that it is now a featured article. Congratulations!--CaroleHenson (talk) 07:13, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Thank you very much! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:49, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Quick question on wordless novel[edit]

Curly Turkey,

I don't mean to bother you, but I was a bit confused by a sentence in the article wordless novel:

"It [25 Images of a Man's Passion] was a commercial success and was followed by Passionate Journey, and at 167 images was Masereel's longest book."

Does the clause after the comma refer to 25 Images of a Man's Passion or to Passionate Journey? I thought it referred to the latter, and edited the sentence (changing the second "and" to "which") in an effort to make this meaning more clear. I saw your more recent revision and reference to the English edition being only 165 pages, but I don't think it effectively clarifies this sentence. Or, perhaps I was wrong and the clause refers to 25 Images of a Man's Passion. Either way, though, I think this sentence is a bit ambiguous. Is there any way to rewrite it to make its meaning more clear, so that the reader is completely sure of which work this clause refers to? Thanks!

Michael Barera (talk) 23:26, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

PS: I don't mean to nitpick. Overall, I absolutely loved the article and I'd love to see it on the main page as Today's Featured Article sometime soon. Thanks for all your hard work on such an interesting subject, and one I knew nothing about until recently stumbling across the article. Take care!

  • Sorry, my mistake. I was reading the source code, where "and at 167 images was Masereel's longest book" is preceded by "the book was translated into English as My Book of Hours (1919)"—the latter is in a footnote, though, which I didn't realize. I've fixed it now. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:46, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Shizuoka move[edit]

Hello there, a search shows that the city is more widely known than the prefecture. The prefecture is also named after the city, not the other way around. I don't see how a disambiguation page is supposed to add any information that is not listed already on either pages? A disambiguation page only makes sense if multiple Shizuoka cities exists somewhere else in the world that could be mistaken for this one. Gryffindor (talk) 14:44, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

I have to respectfully disagree. To my knowledge in the world outside of Japan, the city, as a matter of fact any city in Japan, is better known first than the surrounding prefecture. Therefore the city takes precedent over the prefecture when naming. Or would you prefer the format for all prefectural capital cities to be "Osaka, Osaka" or "Hiroshima, Hiroshima"? Gryffindor (talk) 15:09, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

Gift for you[edit]

If you see anything else on Google you want, let me know. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:25, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Doumo, Kuri-chan. By Google, you mean the Art Project? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:35, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Here's an Utamaro that I've seen in a book before that was really nice---a painting rather than a print, and, unusually, using geometrical perspective. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:01, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • "Ten physiognomic types of women, Coquettish type"? Only Utamaro in that link you sent me. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
    • (edit conflict)Argh! I can't figure out how to link to it. Look for Moonlight Revelry at Dozo Sagami. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:10, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
Kitagawa Utamaro - Moonlight Revelry at Dozo Sagami - Google Art Project.jpg
  • Odd, it's already on Commons. Beautiful sight indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
I think everything Google published before 2013 (exclusive) is already on Commons, actually. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:15, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
How'd I miss that? Maybe I didn't, and I just forgot. Do you know if you can filter searches by date added? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:30, 13 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Not familiar with that, no. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:31, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Navajo language/GA1[edit]

Curly Turkey, I was wondering where this review stood. So far as I can tell, the last edits to both article and review were on September 1. Were you planning to revisit it soon? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 19:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. We were waiting for an expansion of the Grammar section. @Tezero: Is htis going to happen? I think we're supposed to have closed this already. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)
Curly Turkey, I've been plowing through the Czech review first, which should be close to done. But if it's urgent, I can get back on this. Tezero (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Google![edit]

80,000 hits for Laura Secord's 239th birthday. That blows away the 18,000 she got on the Main Page for the 200th anniversary of her walk, with live reenactments and commemorations in the newspapers, etc. And the Doodle was only displayed for Canadian users. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Your recent edit to The Who[edit]

I'm sorry. It was ungrammatical in a way that I wasn't sure what the correct edit should be. Thanks for fixing it up. Willondon (talk) 03:03, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Sure, whatever. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:16, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

A Contract with God[edit]

With all due respect, we do list cover dates for magazines and comic books. Given that these books factually do say this, shouldn't we give readers this information, rather than hiding it? It certainly would be accurate, as well as pertinent, to phrase it this way: "The books' respective copyright pages each say: 'First printing, October 1978. --209.122.114.237 (talk) 13:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Comic books and magazines are published periodically (monthly, bi-monthly, weekly, etc). Listing the cover dates serves a purpose (and that purpose is not to give an accurate publication date, but to identify the issue). What purpose is served by listing such a date for a book? Look through the list of Wikipedia:Featured articles#Literature and theatre. You'll find they tend not to put this kind of thing in the infobox. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:17, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Hope you don't have any tests coming up[edit]

Just had to share this. And... we have articles on two of the three. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

  • Actually, I just finished a couple on Friday. Read through the comments and found: "I came to this comments section hoping to find some Japanophile explaining why these movies are perfectly reasonable in context." The context is Japan. What "reasonable"? I've been watching Dragonball over my son's shoulder for months now and feel as confused now as I did when he started. I feel like these movies are not much different, but the for the fetish crowds. So now that you've got a "reliable source", I suppose we'll see the third one on DYK bientôt? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:10, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
    • A comedy site, reliable? Face-smile.svg Nah, I've got art on the table. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:52, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
      • You're saying that stuff ain't art? Not familiar with Crumb's "Joe Blow"? Avoided obscenity charges because it was deemed art. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:56, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
        • Trust me, most people don't think what I'm working on is art either. Kitsch, maybe. Indecent images of children, apparently (yeah, that's causing huge debate elsewhere). Not art. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:02, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar tribute[edit]

Starhalf.png The Half Barnstar
I re-read Tintin in Tibet today; I have to admit: It's a great read. That's because everyone who contributed to it did an outstanding job. This includes your contributions, Curly Turkey, together with User:Midnightblueowl! I'm glad to have the advice of both of you (even if you both bail on me sometimes). But what an honour it was to work on this particular article, right? I hope all readers enjoy it. Thanks again for your uniquely direct and experienced contributions; keep them coming. :-) Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 15:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I'd meant to drop by with congratulations. So, what's up next? I hope The Blue Lotus won't be long in coming. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I would work with you on bringing The Blue Lotus to FA. :-) Prhartcom (talk) 21:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)
I just noticed it's already a GA! How many of these have you brought to GA already? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:54, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Little Nemo 1907-09-29[edit]

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Japonism[edit]

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Hafspajen (talk) 22:34, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
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I was wondering...[edit]

Improvements continue apace at Bonshō‎ - thank you so much for both the new source and for all the improvements to the article that you've made directly. Whether you end up supporting or not, I'm hugely grateful. It got me wondering whether you might be interested in helping out with another possible future FA that I'm mulling over - I've rather enjoyed the experience of improving this article, and I was thinking about perhaps taking Chikaraishi through the process at some point in the future. If I did, would you fancy pitching in? Then there's Morihei Ueshiba, which has been on my FA wishlist for a year or two now... Yunshui  07:46, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Interesting. I thought Aikido was, like, ancient. I may be able to help out, but I'm trying to limit my time on Wikipedia until I finish my university courses (next summer?), so I may not be totally reliable. If you aren't in a hurry and are willing to wait until next summer or fall, I could scour the libraries for good sources on Ueshiba (I assume there's a ton). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:58, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I'm in no rush - it took me a year to get to Ueshiba to GA status, and there's loads of work needed to get the article to FA - I was thinking of next summer at the earliest. Best of luck with the course. Yunshui  11:05, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Translate?[edit]

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%89%E4%BA%BA%E5%90%89%E4%B8%89%E5%BB%93%E5%88%9D%E8%B2%B7 Hafspajen (talk) 19:33, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

You realize this is about a play, and not about the print, right?
『三人吉三廓初買』(さんにんきちさ くるわの はつがい)は、安政七年 (1860) 正月、江戸市村座で初演された歌舞伎の演目。通称『三人吉三』。世話物、白浪物。二代目河竹新七(黙阿弥)作。全七幕。
Sanninkichisakuruwanohatsugai is a kabuki play that premièred at the Ichimura-za theatre in Edo during the New Year 1860. Popularly known as Sannninkichisa. Belongs to the sewamono and shiranamimono genres. Written by Kawatake Mokuami. In seven acts.
Is this what you really want? The article doesn't even mention the print—in fact, the image caption doesn't even bother to mention it was by Kunisada (signed Toyokuni III). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 03:34, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, it is interesting with plays too... Actually I WAS thinking about the play. It is always difficult to understand these plays, and it is a very different world. I am a great admirer of Kabuki and Noh. Hafspajen (talk) 09:41, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Yeah? I'm no expert on them (or theatre in general), but I did take part in an all-foreigner outdoor kabuki performance of Shiranami Gonin Otoko in 2002 (little did I know, my character, Akaboshi Jūzaburō, was queer). Unfortunately, I can't remember any of my lines; the language was pretty difficult for me. My lines at the big finish (where we kill all the cops, because we're badass like that):
亦その次に連なるは、以前は武家の中小姓
故主のために切り取りも、鈍き刃の腰越えや
砥上ヶ原に身の錆を研ぎ直しても、抜きかねる
盗み心の深みどり、柳の都谷七郷
花水橋の切り取りから
今牛若と名も高く、忍ぶ姿も人の目に
月影ケ谷、神輿ケ獄、今日ぞ命の明け方に
消ゆる間近き星月夜、その名も赤星十三郎
That last その名も赤星十三郎 was done in a ridiculously drawn-out melodramatic manner, announcing my name to the world.
I wanted to do it again the next year (it used to be annual), but the disbanded the whole thing. Ho-hum...
Anyways, I supposed I could give a shot at translating the page, but there isn't an inline citation in the entire thing, so it may be a target for a deletionist. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Aw, fuck it. it's already redlinked from the Kawatake Mokuami article, so I've started a stub. If you don't see me doing much work on it, ping me sometime. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:18, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Huh. I just noticed it was by the same guy who wrote the play I was in. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:39, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Of course they were. That's the point - while in English playes they separated director, writer and players - actors - but those guy do it all. Well, like Shakespeare did, once. Hafspajen (talk) 11:12, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Hairstyle[edit]

Hi, just in case you didn't see it, I left a note about the hairstyle at Talk:Three_Beauties_of_the_Present_Day#Hairstyle. – Margin1522 (talk) 07:41, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. While doing the Shimada article, I noticed that the name of "File:Utamaro (1792–96) Tomimoto Toyohisa reading a letter (Rijksmuseum, cropped).jpg" is incorrect. I checked my かな解読 dictionary for the kana on the print, and without a doubt that should be "Toyohina". From "Naming issues" under commons:commons:Deletion_policy#Maintenance , it seems that it can be renamed. If we did that, it seems that as of now the Shimada and 3 beauties articles are still the only articles that use this image, so that part would be easy to fix. (I did fix the English description at Commons, but the file name itself is still there.) – Margin1522 (talk) 22:13, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, that was my screwup—I'm the uploader. I kept mixing up "Toyohina" with "O-Hisa". I only uploaded the image a few months ago, so I'm not surprised it's not widely used. We won't have to fix the articles after the rename, though—there's a bot that does that. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:57, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Snowball effect[edit]

Just wanted to say thank you for mentioning Ōtomo no Satehiko in your FA review - I've now created articles on him, his wife, his dad and his dad's worst enemy, and I think I may be able to knock out a few more redlinks before I'm done. Suddenly I know a hell of a lot more about the Kofun period than I ever did before... I do love how a single redlink sometimes snowballs into a whole suite of articles, so thank you for getting me started on this particular clutch. Yunshui  11:44, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

  • I've blamed thanked Turkey-sama for the same thing before. Mind you, I think it was his revenge gift of gratitude for me sucking him into collaborating with him on a 40k article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:57, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Holy Christ, I had to click through before I even remembered who this personage even was! The two of you should get together and form WikiProject Articles no-one but a GA reviewer will ever get around to reading. I might contribute the odd wordless novel article nobody asked for. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:49, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
      • Hmm... or FA reviewers. Face-wink.svg. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:53, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
        • You've got balls! Who'd bring one of these things to FA? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
          • You. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
            • Didn't your mother teach you it's not polite to point? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:42, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
              • Nah, she always said I was a little slow catching on to such nuanced issues — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:47, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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Level 3 headings[edit]

Hello Curly Turkey. Regarding the following articles Utamaro, George Herriman, Laura Secord: the "works cited/sources" section is usually considered a separate section wikiwide (as opposed to subsection of "citations/references") and (apart from very few exceptions) is marked as a level 2 heading. The only other way is to have a level 2 heading called "Notes and references" (or "References") and have two level 3 headings called "Notes" (or "Citations") and "References" (or "Works cited"), respectively, below it. This Wikipedia convention reflects the convention employed in most printed academic publications according to which the last two sections of an article/book are called "Citations/references" and "Works cited", respectively. Even WP:APPENDIX says "optional standard appendix sections are used, they should appear at the bottom of an article, with ==level 2 headings==". Regarding template positions, see WP:LEADORDER. --Omnipaedista (talk) 06:19, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

Team Barnstar Hires.png The Teamwork Barnstar
My heartfelt thanks for your help in improving Bonshō to FA status - your advice and extra sources were invaluable. Yunshui  09:15, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks! Hope to see you at FAC again before long! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:16, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Help![edit]

Hi Curly Turky! I am Tamravidhir! I am presently working on Bade Achhe Lagte Hain so that it becomes a GA. It has a lot of issues, and thanks to Yunshui and Onel5969, they have listed here. Then there are also some non-free media issues. I have also asked Crisco 1492 to help me. But I felt that I should also approach you. Please help me Curly Turkey! --Tamravidhir (talk!) 15:17, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

  • @Tamravidhir: I'm going to leave some feedback on the article's talk page. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:49, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh you have done a lot! I am so happy. Thank you so much Curly Turkey! ^_^ --Tamravidhir (talk!) 10:26, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
I want to withdraw the c/e request I had made for the article. They have put it on hold as this is under construction. I want to withdraw it but how can I? --Tamravidhir (talk!) 10:55, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Master of Puppets[edit]

Hey Turkey, thanks for helping out here. I made a request at WP:GOCE/REQ about this article, so if interested, you might give it a try. This is one of my earliest efforts to write an article, and I made a few rookie mistakes on the way. There are lots of unnecessary quotes, especially in the first two sections, as well as overly verbose sentences.--Retrohead (talk) 12:50, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

That one's yours? Heh. I was trying to remember how to play "Master of Puppets" the other day (couldn't remember all of the slow middle part though...). I'll see if I can find the time to go through the article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:21, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

3O needed[edit]

Good morning, Curly Turkey, hope you and the family are well! Over at Talk:Tintin in Tibet#Sloppy writing, a gentleman (and administrator) is trying to help copy edit this thoroughly copy edited article, but is doing so a bit arrogantly (also here). I reverted half of his changes as unnecessary, and that stung, I would think. Could you pop over and lean on my side a bit? I greatly respect your time and I don't think you need to be all involved, but I would appreciate just a few words of your support. Thanks. Prhartcom (talk) 20:39, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

@Prhartcom: Actually, you probably won't want me showing up—I actually agree with John's changes (most of them, anyways), and had considered them myself when I was copyediting, but decided against it because (a) I tend to be a bit conservative when copyediting others' prose, as I don't want people to feel I'm "rewriting" "their" work; and (b) I was a bit more conservative than I normally am as I've run into resistance from you and MBO before (I believe that's where we met, isn't it?). The one thing I disagree with is delinking Tibet and Nepal on their first mentions in the body.
John follows a philosophy that I agree with—if you can drop a word, drop it (Strunk & White's "eliminate unnecessary words"). Not everyone agrees, but it carries a lot of weight on Wikipedia, especially among the FA crowd. I also have an allergy to "however"s. John's been around a long time and has built a reputation for his copyediting skills, so you'll want to be sure you're right before disagreeing with him. I think "Sloppy editing" was unnecessarily aggressive a section title—but keep in mind that having your copyedits reverted can also be interpreted as aggression.
One more tiny thing—John's British, and so is the spelling "encyclopaedia". Actually, it's how I spell it, too—both spellings are acceptable in Canada. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:04, 16 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your honesty, and for your explanation. Go check out our latest conversation here.
By the way, quick question, which you stand a much better chance of knowing than I: Do you think this (that you found) translates to Tintin in China's Tibet or Tintin in Chinese Tibet? The latter is the way the article stands now after a (probably) knowledgeable editor revised it yesterday. Prhartcom (talk) 23:16, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I can't read Chinese, but the French translation is "Tibet chinois", which is "Chinese Tibet". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:55, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
I know, and that's what the edit comment said too. OK thanks anyway. Prhartcom (talk) 03:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
You know what? Some Wikipedia editors, very few actually, are arrogant ass hats. These rare few actually believe they are better than everyone else. Not someone like Crisco 1492 (to pick a name at random). Despite his accomplishments, he remains as humble as the day he started at Wikipedia. And not you (to pick another name at random). Look at you: You have risen to a point where others come sit at your feet. But you are never arrogant. You have saddened me, sure, but for good reasons. With you, I can't buy that kind of honesty. Prhartcom (talk) 17:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, the condescending tone he's taking isn't helpful (anyone who takes a tone like that should expect initial resistance), but his advice is otherwise sound. Trust me, there are established editors with far worse interpersonal skills at Wikipedia. Sometimes it's best just to bite your tongue, choose your battles, etc etc. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:10, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Can you read this?[edit]

Registration card for Pah Wongso
  • Was wondering if you can read this card, written during the Japanese occupation of Indonesia. Anything of use for the Pah Wongso article? (Yes, I know, another obscure subject only a GA reviewer will read). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:26, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
    • It looks legible—a prisoner was transferred to Bangkok?—but I'm on my phone at the moment, so wait 'til I get home to my laptop. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
      • Ah, excellent. So this supports him being interned outside of Java (surprising, somewhat). Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:58, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
        • Sorry I haven't gotten back to you—we're preparing for a hōji, a Buddhist memorial service for my mother-in-law for the seventh anniversary of her death, so we've been busy. Some of the kanji on the card were obscure—one that I managed to find in my dictionary isn't recognized by my IME, and there are a couple that I still don't recognize and haven't had the chance to ask anyone about (we'll be seeing my father-in-law today—he's good at reading these things). He was definitely in a Thai POW camp (泰俘虜収容所—"泰" is Thailand), but I can't tell if this card is annoncing he will be moved, or if it's a record of him having been moved. It's dated 20 August 1945 (Shōwa 20), though, not 1942 like the article says. I gotta wonder what would've been happening on such a date—Japan announced surrender on the 15th, but didn't sign the official documents until 2 September. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:53, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
          • Thank you so much! Perhaps they were getting ready to send him back to the Indies? Doubt it, though. I mean, that's a fairly expensive proposition, and since he (stated himself that he) was held in Malaya and Singapore, that would be moving further away from his home. I'll fix the date. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:04, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
            • The first line says he was in a Thai POW camp in 29 October Shōwa 17 (1942), then it seems on 4 January Shōwa 18 (1943) was transferred somewhere (different part of the camp? Or just put under different management?), and finally transferred to Bangkok on 20 August 1945 to the "annexation forces" (? 併合国軍—a term that doesn't come up in a search). Some of the terms were abbreviations, and it may be that some of the others were as well. I think probably the only info you could confidently use in the article is the 1942 date and the fact that he was in Thailand all that time. I didn't notice at first the upper numbers were dates—I'm not used to seeing Japanese dates without the kanji for year, month, and day attached to them—so I guess it's not incorrect that the card was originally filled out in 1942. Personally, I'd drop the date from the caption, though. I have to carry a card that's filled out in a similar way—every time I move or change jobs, it gets handwritten onto the back like this. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:58, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
              • Hmmm ... Thailand appears to have had different borders [4][5] during WWII. Perhaps he was kept in a camp that, following WWII, was on the Malay side of a border move or something? It sure seems weird that he would say he was in Malay and Singapore and totally forget the three years he spent in Thailand. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:20, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                • Oh no, the ref also has Thailand (and Burma, and Siam, and the two listed in the article). See this, right side of the page. I'll include Thailand if it appears he was there much/most of the time. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:08, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                  • "Singapure, Malaysia, Burma, Siam, Thailand" ... isn't "Siam" Thailand? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:28, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                    • Indeed. Hence why said term is not in the article. Speaking of Siam, did you ever play Risk? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                      • A few times when I was a teenager, but I was bigger on Axis & Allies—why? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
                        • Ah, if you didn't play the game that much, you wouldn't get it. It's a common strategy to occupy Siam and the Indies, take control of Australia, and collect bonus points turn after turn while you build up your forces to take over the rest of the world. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Helpless![edit]

Curly Turkey I don't know if it is right to come to you now but I can do everything but I can't re-write the lead of Bade Achhe Lagte Hain. I can resolve the rest of the issues but I can't re-write the lead to meet MOS:LEDE. I've tried a lot...please help me. I have tried many times but I can't resolve this one. I'm helpless...Tamravidhir (talk!) 11:30, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Curly Turkey I just couldn't resolve any of the issues! I am not finding any suitable example as, if this article becomes a GA then this will be first article related to Indian television to become a GA on Wikipedia.. I just want someone the show me the path. Please please! Please please please I beg you...(you won't understand how I feel now, it can't be expressed in words) help me! And if you help me then I will be highly indebted to you! Tamravidhir (talk!) 12:59, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I saw this comment and read the article. Tamravidhir, I'm afraid a lot of work is needed on the entire article, not just the lead. I will spent a few minutes doing what I can to help and then offer a few comments on the article Talk page. Prhartcom (talk) 14:22, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
@Prhartcom: Thank you so much! Please please please please please please help me...! Tamravidhir (talk!) 14:24, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I will, you poor thing! :-) I am looking at it now. But you have a lot of work ahead of you; I hope you are ready for that. I will leave more comments there. Prhartcom (talk) 14:32, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
@Prhartcom: Aargh the comments! But yes they are wanted and I'm ready to work! Just that I can't see the path! When I worked on Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad to make it a GA I didn't face so many challenges! Now this is something which I call challenging! But I want to do this not only for me but also for WP:Indian television and WP:India. It'll be a great moment for "us"!...Tamravidhir (talk!) 14:36, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
I just looked at your GA article; you did that?? Great job! I have no doubt now that you will succeed. The example articles I showed you will show you the path, and I will hang around as you work. Now let us get off poor Curly Turkey's page! Prhartcom (talk) 16:17, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
  • @Tamravidhir: don't worry so much about fixing the lead right now. For now, you just need to be sure that all the info in the lead is also in the body, and that the citations are in the body, too. Like I said, the lead is supposed to summarize the body, so work on the body for now, and the lead will be easy to fix later. The prose quality is something you can leave to copyeditors to fix. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much Curly Tureky! I'm hyperactive now am very very excited! How can I get to know when a set of DYK will appear on the main page! You know what it's my first DYK which will be appearing on the main page! Please tell me quick! Please please please! Wanna know fast! It's already at prep 4...Tamravidhir (talk!) 09:42, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
And as far as the article and its lead is concerned I am working on it now...Tamravidhir (talk!) 09:45, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't think I can help you with DYK—I haven't doe one in a long time, but I know the rules have changed considerably since the last time I did do one. Crisco 1492 would be the guy to ask, since you're in contact with him anyways. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 11:01, 19 October 2014 (UTC)
Oh! I'm sorry...I didn't notify you. But all my questions have been answered. Thank you so much Curly Turkey. ^_^ Tamravidhir (talk!) 11:06, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Proposal to move pronunciations and other info from lead[edit]

I'm posting here to follow up on the recent Village Pump discussion, archived here, to move pronunciations and other info out of article lead sections. I'm inviting editors who participated in that discussion to comment on the Manual of Style:Lead section guideline. If you would like to participate, please add your comments to the discussion. Cheers! Ivanvector (talk) 20:09, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

FA Thanks[edit]

Thanks for your editorial contributions to Met Gala, which is now a WP:FA and part of an WP:FT.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 06:26, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
  • Well, thank you! But I think you mean Freedom from Want—I don't remember seeing Met Gala before. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:38, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Japanese language skills requested[edit]

Hi CT. Can you by any chance read [6]? I'm considering whether or not to write an article about Yamashina Hechigwan (山科ノ貫, I think), but all the sources I can find are basically copies of Sadler's book on the Tea Ceremony (which I'm currently reading, hence the interest). If this Japanese source is something new and interesting then I'll have a crack at creating a page about the guy, but if it's just another copy of Sadler then I won't bother. If you get a chance to take a look, I'd be jolly grateful. Cheers, Yunshui  12:50, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

  • Hmm...I'm being told I can't access the book. I'll take a look to see if it's in a local library. If I don't get back to you in a couple days, ping me. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
That's odd - try this link instead. Yunshui  13:47, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
      • Sorry, it's not the book I can't access, it's the pages. I can only access from page 126. Google Books is more restricted overseas. And, no, it's not the Sadler book. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:50, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see - I never knew that about GBooks. Please don't trouble yourself with a trip to the local library on my account - since my proposed subject only seems to get mentioned once, I think it's unlikley that the book would constitute significant coverage anyway, and I'd hate to think of you fighting your way through the bureauocracy of the Japanese Public Library Service only to find that it's a passing mention of a completely different person by the same name (or possibly something to do with a transmural mountain department, if Gtranslate is anything to go by...). Much obliged nevertheless. Yunshui  14:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, checking out the library is no beaurocratic nightmare, and there's a good one near my workplace—but it's a moot point, as an online search turned up nothing in either the municipal or prefectural systems. If you're able to screencapture the page or something, you could send it to me and I could tell if if there's anything worthwhile in there. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:03, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
That's a good idea - can you drop me a line with your email address and I'll send it over? (Wikipedia's email system doesn't seem to do attachements). 07:27, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
Hmmm ... I'm getting a "Unable to execute sendmail -t -i " error. I'll try again later. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:43, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
It's almost as though the god of technology is determined to prevent you from ever seeing this text... have you been neglecting the sacrifices again?Yunshui  07:52, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
I've been running out of virgin turkeys—young hens are so promiscuous these days. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:54, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
All hail!
My own burnt offerings do not appear to be producing a pleasing aroma to the Lord. Smells more like burning tyres. Yunshui  07:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
It probably wasn't a virgin, either. Are you able to drop me a line? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:03, 22 October 2014 (UTC)