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Categories can be moved - please stop copy&pasting them[edit]

Please update Cydebot to use the move feature for categories, in stead of copy&pasting them. This feature has been around since late May. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up (I wasn't sure if this had gone live yet). I'm looking into it now. --Cyde Weys 18:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Great, thanks! Presumably, if the new name already exists, you'll leave this for manual editing/deletion as at present. I think that will still be desirable. – Fayenatic London 15:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
I request that you not update Cydebot to use the move feature for categories. Personally, I find the page history of a category moved in that manner to be needlessly convoluted. Although the feature may have been around since May, I'm not aware of any consensus to utilize it. -- Black Falcon (talk) 19:38, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
No, please use the move feature (I asked for this a few weeks ago). A category's page history gets no more "convoluted" than any other page's history, and in fact is often much less convoluted than an article's history. It's not like we'll be hitting the 5000-revision limit that would make certain fixups much more difficult. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:53, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree with RedRose64, and believe that BF is in a minority on this point. Now that the facility exists, moving the category page after a CFD was (I thought) generally accepted as advantageous and desirable, based on my scanning the discussions at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive262#Category_pages_will_be_movable_soon and Wikipedia_talk:Categorization/Archive_15#Limiting_category_moves. – Fayenatic London 17:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I may be in a minority, or I may be in the majority. The fact is that we don't know because there has been no focused discussion aimed at reaching a consensus, and I don't think we should be changing long-standing practice in the absence of that. I see no general acceptance in the discussions you link to (especially the AN discussion), and in any case neither discussion really focuses on the issue raised above. Most of the AN discussion was contentious and revolved around the user right, and the WT:CAT discussion focused on trying to discourage users from moving categories out-of-process. -- Black Falcon (talk) 20:07, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Surely the reason that CydeBot was copypasting the category pages was as a workaround, because it was not possible to use the normal "move" function on a category page? After all, the bot was moving the category talk pages in the normal manner. Now that the normal "move" function can be used on a category page, and the old restriction no longer exists, it is no longer necessary to use the workaround. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:48, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps, but that should not matter if we deem the workaround to be superior to the so-called "normal" process (and on this point we may disagree). In truth, I do not think that the move function is a normal process for categories. Categories are fundamentally different from pages in other namespaces: when a non-category page is moved, its contents are moved as well; in the case of a category move, the contents must be removed from the original category and placed in the new category. In any case, I think that changes to a well-established practice should not take place without discussion. -- Black Falcon (talk) 04:25, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
That makes no sense at all. A category and its description page are completely separate, and have very little in common other than the name. They're not fundamentally different, and there's no reason to destroy their history just because it's the way we've always done it (especially since the only reason we did it like that is that we had to. I'm reminded of [1]). The page move functionality absolutely should be used to move categories. Jackmcbarn (talk) 04:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Cydebot and duplicate categories.[edit]

Is there anyway for Cydebot to check that a category is already in the article before renaming 10 separate categories deleted at CfD to the exact same name? Bgwhite (talk) 04:56, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Probably. I'll have to investigate how PyWikiBot handles this particular part of category manipulation again. A long time ago it was done in the current manner because there were some issues (that I no longer perfectly remember) with trying to do a rename and cleanup. --Cyde Weys 20:53, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 August 2014[edit]

Question for you[edit]

All the way back in 2006, you blocked StrangerInParadise (talk · contribs) to implement an arbitration remedy of this case. However, you did not log which was the other account that the editor was using. If you can recall it, would you mind logging to that page? - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 11:26, 25 August 2014 (UTC)