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Your GA nomination of Telengard[edit]

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Mentorship[edit]

I'm down to help out with some gentle mentoring. --PresN 03:18, 2 October 2014 (UTC) (pretty sure mentoring on request is part of being an admin!)

Anyone can always drop a note at my talk page too. My free time fluctuates but if I'm around I'll gladly offer advice. PS - This is something I'm interested in doing as well. I recently picked up accountcreator rights specifically for that reason. Can I ask what level you're teaching (High school/college/grad) ? And is this your first time doing it? I may need to come back for advice when I get my act together and launch something of my own. -Thibbs (talk) 05:50, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Count me in? I'd like to help out with mentoring too? It would be a good experience. Jaguar 10:50, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of TowerFall[edit]

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Your GA nomination of Monument Valley (video game)[edit]

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DYK for Development of Mother 3[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:04, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

List of satellite television service providers in Nigeria[edit]

Greetings Czar, since you closed the debate as a merger without even waiting for my opinion, I reckon all other articles (like List of satellite television service providers in Uganda) should also be merged with the parent article.Darreg (talk) 23:24, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for that—discussion looked to be settled and didn't know we were waiting for your opinion. I recommend first starting a merge conversation at the main list article and then notifying the talk pages of the individual country lists. Would likely be smarter to do that (solicit feedback) before BOLDly redirecting a bunch and having to deal with any ramifications. czar  23:54, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

TFYC DYK[edit]

You haven't responded at the nomination page in a couple of days. Would you mind responding?--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 21:13, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

@The Devil's Advocate, I'm busy at the moment. Would you prefer for me to bow out so you can have another reviewer? czar  23:26, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
No, it's fine. I just wanna make sure you haven't forgotten about it.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 23:28, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
I did not see your response there, I made an edit that I think addresses your concern.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 23:02, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
No worries. It's on my watchlist so I'll see the replies there czar  01:24, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Fez gameplay[edit]

Your Featured picture candidate has been promoted
Your nomination for featured picture status, File:FEZ trial gameplay HD.webm, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate another image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Armbrust The Homunculus 02:30, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

On the Announcements template[edit]

Hey Czar. I'm wondering if there's any template that can be used in the announcements page for GTC additions. Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Final Fantasy XIII/addition1 and Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Music of the Final Fantasy series/addition4 are up and I'm not sure how to add them. GamerPro64 15:13, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64, good question. I added a field so it'll work from now on
czar  09:23, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
@GamerPro64, while we're on the topic, how would you feel about combining "Article reviews and reassessments" and "Peer reviews" in the template? I think it would be uncontroversial since they're so similar but wanted to run it past you czar  16:03, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
I don't see the harm in that. It should be moved to the right hand side to even things out though. GamerPro64 16:04, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Mother 3 DYK[edit]

Just letting you know that the nomination has been successful :) Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Muthu Alagappan[edit]

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Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Book:EarthBound_series_vs_Book:Mother_series[edit]

Please participate at the above discussion. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 14:55, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Re: Angel of Darkness - plus[edit]

Thanks. That reference had some interesting information in there. By the way, could you take a look at Final Fantasy Type-0 to see if there's any grammar or reference mistakes. I'm feeling slightly cross-eyed from the research I've needed to do. I'm surprised I was able to find so much about its mobile incarnation. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Telengard[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:04, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mother 3[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

A page you started (Hatred (video game)) has been reviewed![edit]

Thanks for creating Hatred (video game), Czar!

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Your GA nomination of Mother (video game)[edit]

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I Am Bread listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect I Am Bread. Since you had some involvement with the I Am Bread redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 18:18, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting Feedback for Art+Feminism grants[edit]

Hi Czar, we are laying plans for the 2015 Art+Feminism editathon. As part of this process we have written two linked PEG and IEG grants. We have given extensive community notice, but haven’t generated substantial feedback. As one of the Satellite Event organizers we would really like your feedback, comments and questions, and if you support the grants, your endorsement of one or both of them. Additionally, we have confirmed International Women's Day, March 8th 2015 as the date of the international editathon. We hope you will be able to participate, as an organizer, facilitator, or participant. On behalf of my co-organizers. --Theredproject (talk) 21:18, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Apple Pay[edit]

HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:28, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Recent articles[edit]

Hi. You've stolen two article creations from me recently. First Apple Pay and now Google Inbox. Keep up the good work! :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 04:26, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Autoblock[edit]

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Sounds reasonable to me. Chillum 20:38, 24 October 2014 (UTC)


@Chillum, hey—currently teaching a class and this was one of my students. He has desisted (you can keep him blocked), but please unblock the IP for us? Sorry for the trouble czar  20:35, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. Let me know if you have any more trouble. Chillum 20:38, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Mordin Solus[edit]

So, I did get your message, concerning the GA. Ah, my apologies, got distracted by life, exams, all that. Beyond that, just wanted to say, speaking as a big Deus Ex fan, nice seeing Development of Deus Ex not only an article, but a GA.

...Can't help but wonder why a woman with a stove is watching me type this message. – Mr. Stellarum (talk) (contribs) 18:57, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shemford[edit]

Hi. The above discussion has now been closed by a fellow admin as 'delete'. As coordinator of the WP:WPSCH, I vote on, but in order to remain impartial as an admin, I do not close school AfDs. There is a common misapprehension that a plethora of sources automatically confers notability on a Wikipedia article. Indeed, I admit that our Wikipedia notion of notability is not always easy for many people to grasp, and even harder to teach. Especially in the case of teaching college professors how to teach their students to edit Wikipedia. Some professors themselves are notable without being famous, while others are famous without being notable.

In spite of often having many sources, kindergartens and primary schools are very, very rarely notable for anything unless, for example, they were the centre of a very important and lasting news item, or famous for trail-blazing a revolutionary new concept in education. Just being a run-of-the-mill school directory listing however has unfortunately no value whatsoever. More useful info available at WP:WPSCH/AG, or don't hesitate to ask me directly, or even DGG, one of our most highly qualified experts on notability of educational institutions. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:39, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

@Kudpung, thanks, I suppose, but I'm familiar with how notability works. If you take a look at the now-deleted article, I had updated it with multiple reliable sources. The chain has claims for notability—it was as if no one even looked at the quality of the sourcing. For what it's worth, with everyone referring to Shemford as a preschool, that was "Shemrock"—"Shemford" has its own sources as a group of secondary schools czar  03:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
It's still as I said: basically a directory listing written like advertorial. Apparently notable for only having opened a lot of branches in a short time, but for nothing in an educational context. With words such as Their in-house marketing team led a campaign to use the character in class activities, and released their first television commercial with the character in 2013. there is no misunderstanding that this is a piece about, if not necessarily for a very commercial and aggressively marketed franchise (as are most franchises). If one of the individual establishments had a claim to notability it would be different. The fact that none of the linked sources actually works, or are only accessible to a privileged few in order to be examined for verifiabilitye also casts doubts on its notability; there appears to be no public, independent in-depth media coverage.
I wouldn't normally be bothering about any of this at all, but as, like me, you are involved in Wikipedia EPs, I feel it's best to see if we are all educating from the same text book, and if not, to see how we can consolidate our interpretations of policies and guidelines and converge our classroom methodology. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
@Kudpung, I don't think that's fair. ProQuest and LexisNexis are the most mainstream of academic databases. Yes, behind a paywall, but only serving as a shortcut to digging up those actual secondary sources in (public) print. (They are among the few foreign, reliable sources—to discount them based on paywall access would be playing to systemic bias.) I can give a printout of any of those references. My concern is that the AfD was closed as lacking significant coverage, though the sources used in the article should refute that at the least, especially with many more available. I understand the caution against promotional press, but I found those sources with due diligence. And I've seen worse off businesses with weaker sourcing pass AfD and I didn't understand why the other AfD respondents chose not to address the list of found references. Would you say it fails to meet the GNG with its current sourcing? czar  05:18, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
I can't pronounce on the GNG because I'm not privy to your sources. You are welcome to email them to me, but for probable copyright reasons, we may never be able to publish them on Wikipedia. However, if those paywall services are only shortcuts to sources otherwise available in public print, then I would generally assume there to be no problem in linking to the original sources. I otherwise have to maintain my opinion that the subject is not really notable for anything that justifies a Wikipedia article. It makes sufficient claims to notability to escape A7 and that is one of the cases AfD exists for, but AfD decides whether an article (in its current cast) fulfils all the other criteria for inclusion. Regular Wikipedia editors are reluctant to give their support to anything that their voluntary time and skills helps to promote a for-profit organsation, while sympathisers for the subject, the article creator, and often other related editors will of course try hard to get the article kept.
I don't think anyone can fault Dennis for his choice of closure. It may be interesting, if only academic, to see what would happen at DELREV, but as a courtesy and to save bureaucracy, it may be an idea to wait until DGG chimes in. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:25, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
@Kudpung, this is a temporary link to a number of Shemford-related articles through LexisNexis (LN). There are more for Shemrock (the preschool chain) on LN, and more for both on ProQuest. (My recommendation was to rename the article Shemrock and Shemford despite copious coverage for Shemford Futuristic Schools [secondary schools] alone.) That linked PDF of sources on its own, though, should be enough for the GNG, which is why I was surprised that my citations at the AfD were completely ignored (even by several admins experienced at AfD). As for linking refs to their respective websites, you can try if you'd like, but, ostensibly, the reason why deep web databases exist at all is because most of the articles are no longer or never were online. Especially in a place like India, not all newspapers are fully digital. Having a link to the database is a courtesy, otherwise it'd just be an offline ref (and it's slightly easier to use the paywalled database than to request a copy of the original newspaper article). Let me know what you think? czar  16:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)


in general
1)Lexis and Proquest and the like are not references, but places where references can be found. Depending upon the level of subscription, one can see titles, or abstracts, or full text. JSTOR and MUSE, similarly, are places to find sources. In all these cases, the sources are the actual journals in them.
2) it is not enough to show that something is mentioned in an article--sometimes the tile alone will make it clear that the article is substantially about something, but more often, one has to actually read it.
3)we have various ways of getting articles--the WMF has arrangements with an increasing number of publishers, and those who have access through those arrangements or through their own universities can provide copies to others. There are also such things as libraries and interlibrary loan, though they tend to be very cumbersome. (I at one point organized a very fast and non-cumbersome interlibrary loan service, but it was extremely expensive. Fortunately, I was at an extremely rich university. Most libraries are not like that.)
4)But we can deal with articles the same way wie deal with printed books: page numbers and quotations. The excerpts in google books are too short to show context, but we can use longer ones. It still takes judgement and good faith to make sure they are being used fairly.
5)Given enough effort, I or any good researcher with good facilities, can prove almost anything notable by the GNG. Given some ingenuity, I can also give a pretty good argument for most articles that whatever sources are proposed for the GNG are either unreliable, nonindependent, or non-substantial. I will argue by the GNG because its the custom here, but I think it basically worthless. I do here what most people do--I make my own global decision on whether we should or should not have an article, and then go above trying to demonstrate it. Some people say they don;t do that but only judge by dispassionate consideration of the GNG, but I think they are fooling themselves.
6)SCHOOLS is a compromise. To avoid endless discussion, we divide them into two parts: on high schools as notable, lower levels as worth only inclusion in a list. It's to some extent arbitrary but it gives as good results as anything more elaborate, considering the inconsistency at afd discussions. I wish we had such criteria in as many fields as possible. I wish we uniformly interpreted the special notability guidelines as the guidelines for the relevant subjects while recognizing there will always be special cases--a few primary schools, for example, are actually famous. And I would try to find such guidelines for as many topics as possible, leaving as little scope for the GNG as can be managed. But I must admit that this approach is not the consensus, nor likely to be.
more specifically, I've looked again at the article on Shemford. I think I should not have nominated it for deletion, even in its original form. A chain of primary schools is like a school district, and we should have the article, that would list the individual schools. I consider that I made an error, and I am not sure how to account for why I made it (except from the fatigue of looking at so many utterly impossible articles--it tends to carry over) I urge you to bring a Deletion Review . where I will give a proper argument. The argument will be that it should not have been judged as an individual school, but this was not discussed at the AfD, so it should be relisted. DGG ( talk ) 09:22, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
@DGG, re: #2, I would think that anyone skeptical of or interested in seeing those sources in depth would have asked me during the AfD, no? Happy to provide them, though I'll note for what it's worth that I can't think of an AfD where my database citations/conclusions weren't just taken on good faith. I made a PDF available to Kudpung above, if you want to see some of the sources I was referencing. I think it should have been more than enough to substantiate an article, but let me know if you think deletion review is still the best route. czar  16:25, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
The PDF articles appear to be mainly advertorial and/or press-release based, and are all extremely promotional in nature. What I see here is still an (unitentionally) promotional article about a very aggressively marketed business franchise that has remarkably little in common with a traditional school district or other education authority. And, again, a plethora of sources all reporting much the same thing do not necessarily add up to notability. DGG is equally well versed in WP:ORG and may well look more favourably on retention as a business article rather than one of educational content. I would defer to his superior knowledge on such issues. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:10, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Apart from the one business source I will note, the rest of the sources are reputable and on par for foreign papers. I looked into each one:
They're not all reporting the same thing—I made a point of pulling reports that didn't overlap in coverage. Also there would be no difference between a "business" article and an article about privatized education, no? czar  05:28, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
There are various forms of privatized education, and each educational system must be considered separately. The distinction between private and public is not always sharp--for instance the US primary and secondary charter schools are privately operated, but under some degree of public supervision and with public money. In US higher education, the distinction for colleges is not really public/private, but non-profit/profit-making. is not always very sharp, nor is it always the best. I know other systems less well, but in India also, most private colleges are run for religious purposes, or as charitable trusts--and some to make a profit. I think this is likely for private primary or secondary schools in India also, but I am less familiar. It is fairly well established hat the way of handling sub-notable institutions is as part of a combination article. We do this for companies and their subsidiaries, and I think this is particularly applicable to chains of schools or chains of hospitals, where there is relatively little to say distinctive about the individual ones besides the basic statistics. There are additional problems with institutions that are primarily or entirely conducted over the internet--it is relatively difficult to distinct what is a distinct college or school in some cases.
The question is not what is necessary as a minimum to support an article, but what is useful to have as a separate article. WE can and do organize WP in whatever way makes sense, and that includes whether or not to make combination articles.
among the things that don't seem to need the GNG are governmental divisions and their major agencies. How far down the line to carry it is a question: for State governments and well as national , we normally accept the first order agencies; we usually do for major cities. For towns and counties, and their equivalents, it's a matter of judgement. If there is not much information, it may be simpler not to have separate articles on subdivisions. But we do seem to accept boards of education,at least for the US, and, once more, I see a chain like this as an exact analogy.
But the lease useful thing to do at WP is to debate on how to go about doing something .I intend to restore the article myself tomorrow, using the material provided above, and if anyone disagrees, it will be better discussed at afd than here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talkcontribs) 07:52, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Amen. Sounds good—thanks czar  07:56, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Halloween cheer![edit]

Halloween cheer![edit]

Lightning FA request[edit]

I was wondering if you would give the article for Final Fantasy XIII character Lightning a source review as part of its FAC. It's got three supports and an image review. As far as I've gathered, it just needs a source review before it could theoretically be promoted to FA. If you don't feel like doing this, you don't have to. --ProtoDrake (talk) 16:10, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Saints Row: Gat out of Hell[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

WikiCup award[edit]

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WikiCup 2014: The results[edit]

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RFA?[edit]

I looked closely at your contributions after your request, and I think you are well qualified for RFA and I'm more than happy to nominate you if you wish. You got a strong history of content contributions, and your help in admin areas is really appreciated. I don't see any red flags. I could get the nomination started today. Thanks Secret account 16:50, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

I remember discussing a similar idea with you some months ago, but I'll reiterate: you would have my total support, Czar. :) ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  18:27, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Huh. I was thinking about Czar being at RfA recently. I can get behind him handling the mop. GamerPro64 21:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Appreciate the support, all. I think I'm ready to go, but I have pre-reviews pending with @Dennis Brown, TParis as part of my due diligence/prudence. Not sure how their schedules are looking, but pending response from them, I wouldn't mind starting a draft nom. (@Stalwart111, MelanieN, heads up—looks like this is happening.) czar  00:53, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Glad to hear it! I think I was one of the first (of many) to suggest this to you. Your qualifications have only gotten stronger in the meantime. MelanieN (talk) 01:01, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I started a review page, which I recommend before a draft, at User:Dennis Brown/RfA/Czar. I try to cover all the stuff people will ask. I don't have time to concentrate and fill it out properly today, plus do the other research, but I will try tomorrow. It has the basic questions at the bottom, you can work on them there, in the Final area (after a full search is done) I might have questions and such. The idea is find anything that someone will object to, and deal with it up front. Being honest about past mistakes make them easier to overlook. As far as TParis, I don't mind sitting next to him as nom/conom anytime. Same with Secret. Dennis - 01:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I've got 6 down, you're number 7. So I should have it done by tomorrow.--v/r - TP 01:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Let me start the nomination then, I don't mind Dennis and TParis as co-nominators :) Thanks Secret account 01:12, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Could you explain why you enrolled a VOA in a course? here?--v/r - TP 01:30, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I'm co-teaching a WP class at a local high school—the vandal is my student. You can see the related autoblock request higher on this talk page. Lo, the reason why I had to manually add him to the course is the same reason why he is blocked. And similarly, he'll have to appeal his block to continue editing with the class. That's the gist but let me know if you want more czar  01:38, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I am going to need to pay more attention to RfA to remember to !vote in this. (I would also co-nom but more than 3 is seen as over the top and showboat-y by a segment of the community) --Guerillero | My Talk 01:49, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I wonder... I'd love to see an RfA with dozens of nominators LOL ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  01:55, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
The record is 6 [1]. Really, two is typically plenty, 3 is acceptable, but more than that is problematic. If Czar wanted me to bow out, I would completely understand. I assume the same for the others. At this stage, my primary concern is helping him have a fair shot, whether or not my name is at the top or middle of the page. Dennis - 02:19, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Unless I'm missing something about RfA culture, shouldn't it be fine as long as each co-nom has something unique to add? I would think it's more of a good thing to have been vetted so thoroughly from so many different angles and to recognize that prominently, especially with all of the work y'all are putting into it (thank you) czar  02:49, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
All of that seems perfectly logical, but this is RFA we are talking about. Volunteering to serve is like hanging from a tree, telling everyone that you are stuffed full of candy and toys, then handing them bats. There is simply no way to predict how anyone will perceive anything, because it changes from week to week there. Dennis - 02:55, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Dennis Brown, you're the most highly quotable person I know. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  03:03, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Have to say, Dennis, you know how to describe things. That does sound like RfAs in a nutshells. Guess that means mine was full of Chocolate-covered raisin. GamerPro64 03:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Well, for what it's worth, I welcome all co-noms that add perspectives different from those already posted—no matter the count. And when I'm dangling from the tree, I'll supply the party hats czar  03:08, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the ping. I'm as supportive now as I was a year ago. You explain things in easy-to-understand terms, especially in the context of deletion where (unfortunately) too many new editors/contributors end up. Nothing in your edit history since our discussion in 2013 suggests you've done anything that might make people disinclined to support you. I'll endeavour to be among the first yea votes. Stlwart111 05:51, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
  • @Secret, Dennis Brown, TParis, what's the next step for this? czar  13:55, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
    • You can go to RFA, start the RFA page, but not transclude it yet. just edit it there, move all your questions/answers there. It can sit there a day or a week, while you figure the rest out. Once completed, you can transclude, thus start it, at any time you choose. While others are nominating you, it your request for adminship, so you are in the driver's seat. Dennis - 15:33, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Czar—yep, I meant more for the co-noms or any feedback czar  17:05, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Secret needs to fill out his nom, and Tparis the same. I think that bowing out is best for me. I'm involved in a contentious Arb case, mainly as observer, after being involved in an uncontentious Arb case (was very obvious in fact), and frankly, I would prefer to not be a lightning rod. While it isn't likely, it is possible, so this is in your best interest. Unquestionably, you will have my support, and frankly, with two rock solid noms and your own impressive history, you don't need me. Dennis - 17:26, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Just my 2¢, but I think the "general comments" might be better positioned in a little acceptance statement, otherwise most people risk not seeing them before jumping to the question section. :) ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  19:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Thought about that, but gen comments was designed for that stuff. I wanted more to put it out for those who want it than to make a point of it. (By the way, saw your thread at WTVG, but it looks resolved) czar  02:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
When will the RFA be ready for others to give input? Snuggums (talk / edits) 19:42, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Waiting on the co-noms, unless anyone else has preliminary feedback. I sent a ping recently, but don't want to pester czar  19:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I will do the nomination today, no later than tomorrow. I got slightly discouraged by my failed arbcom bid, and was otherwise busy. Sorry for the delay. Secret account 18:17, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

RFA is ready, all 3 nominations set, all we need you to do is accept. Thanks Secret account 22:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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AfD[edit]

Hi. Thank you for helping out by closing AfDs. If you close as 'redirect' please remember to add the approprite 'R from..' template to the redirect page so that it adds information for the reader and automatically populates the corresponding category. In the case of school articles for example, this would be {{R from school}}. If you need any help, just let me know. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:52, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

I usually do this tagging when I redirect a page manually, though from seeing others' redirects, I was under the impression that it is optional czar  14:34, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I need to start tagging my redirects too, I've created a few that are totally bare. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  15:08, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Herbartianism[edit]

Moved as requested. This is some kind of record: anything in the speedy-deletion queue ending in "ism" or "ology" is invariably a "joke" religion or philosophy whose author needs to be pointed to WP:NFT. This is the first exception I can remember in five years as an admin! Regards, JohnCD (talk) 08:32, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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A brownie for you![edit]

Brownie transparent.png Thanks for redirecting the Aceto (album) article! I will include the track listing in the artist's discography section. Have a great day! Dontreader (talk) 03:46, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Image[edit]

Hey, I've finally gotten around to uploading that picture of us; it's right there on my page. I obscured my own eyes to deter facial recognition technology, but if you want to do the same, I can upload a new version. Just thought I'd let you know. Tezero (talk) 06:20, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

NAC[edit]

Hi,

I'm curious how Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Regulatory translation ended as no consensus. Aside from my nomination the only comment was from someone who effectively argued that he found a couple notable uses about "regulatory translation" (the term), but the article isn't about either of them. Though he didn't bold anything officially, he sounds to be advocating for !redirect (and that from someone with an 83.5% keep stat, not that that should necessarily have any bearing). In other words, there's no argument to keep or merge visible anywhere. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 13:52, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Redirection does not require an AfD closure. You or James500 can just redirect the title now if you think it's what should be done. I endorse the general closure as NC per WP:NOQUORUM after two relists, although whether or not it should've been NAC'ed is another matter. I find no fault with Czar's decision. If you still want it deleted, you can speedily renominate it. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  15:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I think Sal covered it—it's a specific "no consensus" close (from too little participation to form a consensus, or no quorum). Not sure if you're calling the NAC part into question, but it's also a standard NAC close that an admin would have closed the same way. There was no suggested redirect target even after two relistings, but that's a fine discussion to continue on the article's talk page czar  12:46, 21 November 2014 (UTC)
Late follow-up, sorry. I agree there was not a quorum and that no consensus without prejudice to speedy renomination is a reasonable close in such a case after two lists. To be clear, I'm not making any accusation of a breach in policy or saying that anything egregious happened here. My contention is within the assertion that "an admin would have closed [it] the same way", which ignores the other possibilities in such a situation e.g. soft delete or redirect -- neither of which are uncommon in a low participation AfD as far as I know. NAC is the problem because there is no one completely uncontroversial close there except when closing as a non-admin (i.e. if a non-admin opts to close such a discussion, it has to be no consensus).
Anyway, any issue that I have here is probably most accurately framed in terms of the deletion process allowing for non-admin no consensus closes to begin with than your particular application of it, and thus more a thread more appropriate for a deletion process talk page. --— Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:13, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
While it's true that an eager no quorum NAC could theoretically supersede a perhaps more appropriate soft deletion, I haven't seen it to be an issue. NACs are supposed to be noncontroversial in nature, the housekeeping that leaves trusted admin for the harder jobs. So NACers should avoid closing discussions where soft deletion is a reasonable outcome, as they shouldn't be closing where there's room for pushback. (That's also the idea of consensus, that the close should reflect what is agreeable to the greatest amount of participants.) The AfD in question, though, was not eligible for soft deletion or even a redirect (already mentioned that there was no target). After two relistings, a no consensus with with NPASR was far and away the most fitting close, regardless of deletion rights. But, more generally, the issue of no quorum closes in lieu of soft deletions is already adequately handled by asking the closer politely to reconsider or by preemptively leaving a note to this effect on the AfD before it closes. I think that's reasonable, and that the NAC system works fine as is. czar  22:37, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mother (video game)[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 22:45, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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AN/I[edit]

Hi Czar; in case you aren't aware, several people (including me) have mentioned you in passing in this thread. Feel free to contribute/ignore as you see fit. J Milburn (talk) 20:12, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The notification was necessary, but I think Czar's involvement in the thread should be avoided. Just my 2¢. ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  20:18, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't aware, so thank you for the heads up czar  08:48, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hatred (video game)[edit]

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