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Hello, DJRafe, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! xC | 19:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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References[edit]

Hi DJ. Welcome to Wikipedia. I was very excited to see you contributing to classical music pages. When you need to insert references, the best way to do it is to use "ref" tags. See NatWest Three for an example of how to do this. Thanks. Grover cleveland 07:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

PSO[edit]

Looks good to me! I haven't been watching that article lately and most likely would have made the same changes myself, so thanks for doing so. --Wspencer11 (talk to me...) 14:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Good work[edit]

Great work on all the musicians! Grover cleveland 05:36, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed! Kudos on the Kissin article!THD3 (talk) 00:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry![edit]

Hi DJ. I am new to Wikipedia and unintentionally blanked the page on Simon Rattle. Please restore ist.

Sune Ugered


Formatting references[edit]

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please take a moment to review template:cite web template:cite news, for help on easily creating properly formated reference links. --emerson7 | Talk 01:10, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Britten church parables[edit]

Hi. Good of you to add references to these. I've removed the "unreferenced" tags - but you could have done that yourself (it doesn't need an admin to do so - I'm not one). BTW, could you put a line or two on your User page so that it doesn't come up as a red link. Any old stuff will do! Best. --GuillaumeTell 20:49, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Stubs[edit]

Yes, it's a difficult question. An obvious stub is an article where clearly more needs to be said, and an obvious non-stub is one where all or most aspects have been covered, not necessarily in great detail. So for articles about operas, I'd be inclined to de-stub them if they include date and place of first performance, list of roles, synopsis, list of recordings, and references and external links, if any. Other sections (background, sourced discussion on the music, more performance history, role creators, etc.) are desirable, but the article can stand alone without them for the time being.

For other opera-related articles (singers, directors, managers, opera houses, companies, genres, etc.) it's more problematic. It depends on how much there is to say, but then, for example, a complete list of every performance in which a particular singer appeared would be rather wearying, and not all that notable, even for Maria Callas or Enrico Caruso. So one has to use one's skill and judgement.

If you want more opinions, feel free to raise the subject on the Opera Project talk page. --GuillaumeTell 17:13, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

A Village Romeo and Juliet[edit]

Great job. Delighted to see this. There is also a DVD film version with Hampson. Best from the Opera Project. -- Kleinzach 00:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Belshazzar's Feast (Walton)[edit]

Nice job on the references; thanks! I further changed the bit about the Biblical sources because it's not exclusively Daniel; Psalm 137 is the most obvious. I just realized Psalm 81 is in the finale. David Brooks 19:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Greek Passions[edit]

Dear DJRafe. I recently added Czech article about the opera to the Czech Wikipedia, including several info based on Czech language sources. If You want, I can translate it in a few days into the English article to give You some basis to edit. Anyway - thanks for Your interest in Czech opera, Okino 22:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

In my sandbox, You can find the translation. Choose any info You need - and ask any question. I have also written Czech articles of the Julietta opera and several others about Martinů stage works. --Okino 17:03, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

MacDiarmid[edit]

Hey there

I made a few changes to the article Alan MacDiarmid, adding content and referencing. Could you please have a look and check if I made any mistakes? I'd be much obliged.

Appreciate it,xC | 19:00, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Conductors[edit]

I came across your recent edits to Paul van Kempen and other conductors -- great work adding the references. I wish more Wikipedians were like you!! Grover cleveland 03:09, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Musical Times[edit]

I notice that you supply a lot of references to the Musical Times. Do you know of any way to access old issues online? Google Books occasionally has a "snippet view" but it's not that useful. Thanks. Grover cleveland 02:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Mathis der Mahler[edit]

Many thanks for the additions! Is the 1995 Hamburg production a typo for 2005 or a different production? Sparafucil 11:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

formatting references[edit]

just thought you might find the following templates useful and helpful for including references into articles:

template:cite news: newspapers, news organizations, etc.
template:cite web: websites
template:cite journal: magazines and journals

--emerson7 | Talk 17:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Lucerne Festival Orchestra[edit]

A great thanks for your important edits on Lucerne Festival Orchestra! Do you think of creating the article about Lucerne Festival? (Addaick 02:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

Hey, you put your meesage on my user page! You should put it to the talk page! (Addaick 05:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC))
I have put it back to the talk page. (Addaick 05:44, 31 August 2007 (UTC))

RFC:Conductor infoboxes[edit]

currently underway is an attempt by a just a few editors to prohibit the use of infoboxes in articles of all classical musicians. in my view, the manner in which the policy was adopted was just a bit underhanded, and skeevishly done. if you are at all interested keeping the infoboxes, please go here and join the discussion. if you would like to loose them...well...just ignore this message. cheers! --emerson7 01:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Edo de Waart[edit]

I am wondered why HKPO is not listed in the succession box. Edo is currently the music director and chief conductor of HKPO. (Addaick 11:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC))

I see, thanks:) (Addaick 02:18, 12 October 2007 (UTC))

Yakov Kreizberg[edit]

Thanks for your work on the Yakov Kreizberg page. It is atlast word looking at! Mariah-Yulia 20:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Harmonium (John Adams)[edit]

Nice improvement! Thanks. -- Myke Cuthbert (talk) 05:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Contemporary music[edit]

Hi DJRafe, I wonder if you would be interested in joining the new WikiProject Contemporary music that I helped organize recently? You seem to be very knowledgeable about the subject. Best, --S.dedalus (talk) 04:02, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

No degree required. :) Many members of the project are amateurs or students like me. Wikiprojects like WikiProject Contemporary music are informal collaborations between editors. Project try to help standardize the articles within their scope (improving categorization, formatting, naming conventions, et.) and are a place where other users can seek help if a particular article requires expert attention. To join all you need to do is add your signature to this list and remove it if you leave. There are no “hours” required. You can contribute whenever and however you want. Hope to see you there! --S.dedalus (talk) 00:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Much thanks to your great contribution to Holiday Overture[edit]

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I am delighted to see that you have made great edits to Holiday Overture. In addition, I am impressed by your tireless and enormous efforts to Wikipedia. I am here to award you the Orginial Branstar to you. Addaick (talk) 13:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

PS: I am thinking about those list of instrumentation in Holiday Overture to be changed back to the nornmal form, ie: point-form or simply a sentence. Addaick (talk) 13:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


Václav Talich[edit]

Hi, I´m new here and i tried to contribute to Václav Talich page.. Can you please check it or look at it, maybe I´ve done something bad and I don´t want to do harm here.. Thanks Vejvančický (talk) 09:25, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your remarks, I´m learning..Vejvančický (talk) 22:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Les Troyens[edit]

Hi there, we in opera project is trying to make the information as complete as possible, therefore the frame format has been standardized into almost all articles excpet for the some with lack of info. In the frame, we have list of roles + the singer. The frame format is the standard, if you have enough info for the rest, please add them on into the frame format. Thanks - Jay (talk) 01:46, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Purcell School[edit]

I can't see the source material you cited for "the oldest specialist music school in the UK". Is it correct? I'd have thought one of the cathedral choir schools would have a pretty solid claim on that title. Cheers, Bazj (talk) 16:24, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Jakub Hrůša[edit]

Yes, he studied in Brno, I´ve added it to the article. Another important fact: Hrůša´s father is renowned and respected Czech architect Petr Hrůša (atelier Hrůša-Pelčák), he projected many awarded buildings (and maybe deserves own article). Is it appropriate to mention him?? Vejvančický (talk) 11:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for copyediting, I left the last tag there, my English language skills are still imperfect. Vejvančický (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello DJRafe. No, I don´t intend to create the article for Petr Hrůša, and you´re probably right, he´s not enough renowned internationally. Nevertheless, I would support creating of this article also on English wikipedia, since Hrůša sr. is one of the most important architects in the Czech Republic in last two decades, he and his works appear in almost all books about contemporary Czech architecture, and his notability prove also many google hits (most of them is unfortunately in Czech). The precise English article may be very useful also for some people, who can´t speak Czech.

I consider the English wikipedia rather as a world encyclopedia, with detailed and complex informations from all parts of the world. I´m very glad, when I find here specific informations from various, often obscure, areas. The English version is more useful for me, since the informations about classical music, or the culture topics in general are on Czech wikipedia very underdeveloped, and I can´t find help there. That´s why I decided to work here, even though my English language skills are imperfect. The world (not only English world) works together right here, the possibilities are much bigger. But this whole matter is just my point of view, I´m always willing to listen to others, to reach an agreement, and I don´t intend to add to wikipedia not notable or nonsense stuff. Thank you for your opinion and cooperation. Have a nice day Vejvančický (talk) 11:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Good job[edit]

on the H.T. Lowe-Porter article. It looks much better now. Gunnar Hendrich (talk) 07:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Mr Gilbert Levine[edit]

Well done! Thanks. -- JackofOz (talk) 06:54, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Ben Lyons[edit]

Yeah, I've seen his edit history, which is why I presented my suspicions of a conflict of interest when I presented his edits to the administrator noticeboard. He's currently banned for a bit. However, while I kept your edits to the rest of the page, I did revert the criticism section. Not because your edits were in bad faith or hurt the article explicitly, but because it is better to have sections like that in prose rather than bulleted lists. Also, I'm curious as to why you felt the section wasn't neutral. Of course it paints a percieved negative light of Lyons, but when I wrote it I tried to make sure that it was clear that each statement made was a sourced statement from another person, and I don't think that the prose surrounding the quotes reflects any bias. But that doesn't mean I'm against toning it down, I just think that we should come to a consensus of just what we're toning down. Either way, thanks for helping out with the article. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 18:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, I didn't see your comment on the article's talk page. I responded to some of your comments there. Rwiggum (Talk/Contrib) 18:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Closer Than Ever[edit]

Updated DYK query On April 4, 2009, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Closer Than Ever, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Kreizberg[edit]

Thanks for the revert. I bet the previous was done by an agent. -- kosboot (talk) 19:12, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Ivor Bolton[edit]

Thank you for your recent edits on the article. I'd very much like to know, though, if there are any good reason why you deleted the references provided originally and the list of orchestras Bolton worked with? Thank you --Karljoos (talk) 00:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Giorgi Latsabidze‎[edit]

I'd be grateful if you could have a look at this article. This article is definitely in your specialism. I am concerned about the general tone (Talk:Giorgi Latsabidze‎) and the lists used at the end of the article. Cheers!--Karljoos (talk) 00:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

WP:CTM election notice[edit]

WikiProject Contemporary music

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CTM scope review[edit]

Following on from this discussion, I have started to review the scope of WP:CTM's coverage on WP. There are two main possiblilies, so far:

  1. We refine our scope according to the "written in the last 50 years or so" statement agreed upon a few months back and included in the Overview - Scope section on the main page.
  2. We redefine our scope to include only living people and their works (while retaining the other relevent articles such as contemporary classical music etc).

The former position was agreed by consensus, of course, so redefining our scope to the latter position is a radical shift that needs full discussion and consensus. In essence, the question of redefining arises from the recent mass sourcing drama:

  1. It has been suggested that CTM take full responsibility for all composer BLPs.
  2. If that goes ahead, WPComposers may wish to unbanner composer BLPs and leave them to CTM (see here for example).
  3. Therefore, CTM simply focusses in on those people relevent to our project but not bannered by other projects eg composers with BLPs.
  4. Other articles on people are then treated in a similar way ie we would then cover BLPs only and their related articles (plus any other contemporary-music-related articles, as appropriate).

The full review and discussion is found at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Contemporary music/Scope.

I am also looking more generally at our project's focus, especially as regards the notability criteria etc: User:Jubileeclipman/CTM. Thoughts on that are also most welcome!

Thank you --Jubilee♫clipman 13:55, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

WP:CTM guidelines regarding infoboxes[edit]

In the wake of the proceedings at the Composers project, I am reviewing CTM's guidelines regarding infoboxes: at present we simply follow all the other CM-projects on this issue. I propose that we simply leave it to editors to use common sense and avoid policy-violations. Thoughts welcome at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Contemporary_music#CTM.27s_advice_to_editors_regarding_Infoboxes. Thank you --Jubilee♫clipman 23:06, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

Alan Buribayev[edit]

Hi there. I have restored {{RTÉ Performing Groups}} to the Alan Buribayev article under a collapsed state. He is mentioned in the template as he is the principal conductor designate. Thanks, —  Cargoking  talk  07:02, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Tzigane[edit]

Thanks to your improvements the article on Eugene Tzigane doesn't say the slightest bit on music. I can read the German refs which show that a lot, but others may have a problem. Please expand. I would be more interested in his work than his private life. Also I don't believe that he is "known" under his original family name. His name is pronounced as the composition by Ravel Tzigane, but unfortunately that also is without IPA. Btw, a disambiguation might be a good idea. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Andris Nelsons[edit]

Thanks for improving. Could you also write a bit more in the first line which doesn't quite capture his international importance at the moment. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. But I would differentiate between a Lavinian conductor who is important (only) there and a conductor of the Nordwestdeutsche Philharmonie and the CBSO. The former is going to turn 60 on Sunday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:30, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Kirill Karabits[edit]

please look at Talk:Kirill Karabits --A1 (talk) 19:47, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Frédéric Chaslin[edit]

Hi. :) I have again corrected the information on his romantic affiliations to conform with the source used. WP:BLP, of course, requires impeccable sourcing for biographical details; in this case, however, the alteration was done at behest of the article subject, who has edited as User:Fredchaslin and confirmed his identity to the Wikimedia Foundation via e-mail (Ticket:2010100510005546, though I'm afraid only individuals with access to Foundation e-mails can confirm this; if you'd like to ask another one to confirm, please see meta:OTRS/personnel). As indicated at his talk page, Mr. Chaslin would prefer no information about his private life at all; however, it is beyond the scope of the e-mail response team to remove material from reliable sources. That said, particularly when the subject has complained, we must make sure that the information in the articles conforms to the sources provided. 2002 is 8 years ago, not presently. Mr. Chaslin indicates that the information is outdated but declines to supply an update, as is his right. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 12:12, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Prague Philharmonia, NPOV editor (213.29.241.26) back[edit]

Re your message: So I see. I added the page to my watch list and if they return again, I'll either re-protect the article or block the editor in question. It is obvious that some marketing person with the Prague Philharmonia is trying to push their version of the article since that IP belongs to them. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Re your message: I had forgotten about that article. It has been awhile, though I see nothing has changed like you said. I suspect that it is their marketing person doing the re-inserting of the same text. I reset the semi-protection to six months. Maybe that will clue them in, but I don't have high hopes for that. I suspect that will be right back at it in December. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:15, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Kerry Andrew[edit]

Well done!! Great editing. Thanks, Ian Cairns (talk) 22:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Manchester Camerata / Gabor Takacs-Nagy[edit]

One has attempted to update your edit concerning the changeover of leadership here. Just hope other editors have not taken umbridge at our effort ! Anoraker (talk) 11:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Kinderszenen[edit]

A few years ago you added the following sentence (among many others) to Kinderszenen:

Robert Polansky has discussed the unused movements.

The online reference you gave for that statement does not provide any meaningful information on what Polansky said about the unused movements, because only the first page of the cited article is available on that site to the general public. That leaves the typical Wikipedia reader with only the fact that Polansky discussed the movements. Surely what matters is what Polansky said about them, not just the fact that he said something.

Most readers have no idea who Robert Polansky is and why his discussing some topic is noteworthy, but anyone reading this WP article might well be interested in what he said about this topic. If it's useful to tell the reader that Polansky said something about Kinderszenen, it would be even more useful to give the reader some idea what he said. To say that he said something and then not say what he said is somewhat like telling a child you know a secret and then not revealing what the secret is.

Instead of bothering you, I first tried to get the information and add it myself; but when I followed the link I found that access to the whole article is restricted and unavailable to me. If you have access to the full article cited, it would be helpful to WP readers if you could add a brief summary of what Polansky said about the unused movements. If not, in my opinion, it would be better to remove that sentence, because its main effect is to frustrate the reader rather than add to his or her understanding of the article's subject.

Thanks. --Jim10701 (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

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Need some expansion in Karelia Suite[edit]

In this edit you stated that " Ralph Wood has commented on the role of the percussion in this composition." Wood doesn't seem to be a notable commentator, and in any case the reader would surely like to know what he said. I do not have JSTOR access at hand, so I would appreciate it if you would expand upon what Wood found worthy of comment. Mangoe (talk) 15:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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Emil Gilels and others[edit]

Hi, DJRafe ! I understand your idea of toning down some hagiographic (and potentially unencyclopedic) statements in Wiki articles. However, the "widely considered one of the greatest pianists of the 20th century" compliment, regardless of whether it's true or not, has been applied to many other pianists other than Gilels: it is there on the first paragraphs of the Wiki articles on Richter, Rubinstein, Arrau and Michelangeli, amongst others - to say nothing of the piece on Alfred Brendel, which comes with an even taller claim: "one of the greatest pianists of all time" (!!). It seems to me that, provided there are sufficiently reliable sources, this kind of declaration does not violate Wikipedia standards. Either that or, for the sake of consistency, the "widely considered" line should be removed from every article on pianists and musicians in general, and not just from Gilels'. Regards, MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 14:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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2015 in classical music[edit]

DJRafe, I noticed that you had deleted Ji Liu's "Piano Encores" (2015) from the album list of 2015 in classical music and added your note "wrong year; it's on the '2014 in classical music' pagte already". But mind you, on the "2014 in classic music"page (mind you again, you spelt the word "page" wrongly as "pagte" in your note. Please be responsible for word-checking), Ji Liu's album was Piano Reflections (2014). The one you deleted from 2015 in classical music was Piano Encores, which was released on Jan. 19th. 2015. It is quite logical that this artist has released his NEW album in 2015. Please watch out carefully and be respectful when edit on Wikipedia. Thank you for your contribution! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gramophoneplayer123 (talkcontribs) 22:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

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Thank you for your additions. I have taken the liberty of retaining the useful material and reverting the rest, though acknowledging it as WP:GF Tim riley talk 00:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

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