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Wrong WP rationale you're using[edit]


You reverted my changes I made to the UNSD statistics division articles while linking WP:CRITERIA. However, the rationale you hold per this WP is false, including the saying that it's "overprecisement", as the UNSD is just one of the many departments the UN organ has. Other UN (UNICEF, FAO, etc) departments define the regions of the world differently, and for different purposes. Therefore, putting these articles titled as "United Nations Geoscheme for..." is plain wrong, as other UN departments and definitions deviate from it. Look at the official cartographic UN maps, or the definitions provided by UNICEF, UNESCAP, UNDSP, etc. It needs to be therefore precisely United Nations Statistics Division in the title, as otherwise it's misleading and people will erroneously assume that these definitions are used by the whole organisation comprising the UN, which is absolutely not the case. When common people think about the UN, they usually think about exactly the main organ of the UN, and definitely not about its statistics department of which those articles are actually about, and statements/references rely upon a single page of the UNSD website.

On top of that, the UNSD website, where that whole concept is from, repetitively personally states that it's created by and for the United Nations Statistics Division department.

Regards and awaiting response,

LouisAragon (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, where does the UNSD website state that it's created "for the United Nations Statistics Division department"? I can't see that anywhere.
According to the UN, these statistical areas are "used by the United Nations for statistical purposes, developed and maintained by the United Nations Statistics Division." So in fact they are used well beyond just by UNSD, and the suggestion that they are "used only by the United Nations Statistics Division" is not correct. This is supported by the practice of other divisions, for example Population Division, Division for the Advancement of Women, and various others. Certainly, other agencies and funds use different regional groupings for specific purposes, but unlike the UNSD divisions they are not used throughout the UN.
Note that this link, from UNTERM whose goal is to "ensure accurate and consistent usage" of terminology, refers to the divisions as the "United Nations geoscheme" and not "United Nations Statistics Division geoscheme". I've never seen any WP:RS use the title you are proposing. We should follow sources and not invent a new name for it.
This is analogous to United States primary statistical area, which isn't titled United States Office of Management and Budget primary statistical area simple because the Office of Management and Budget develops and maintains them, even though there are lots of other statistical areas in use within the United states. TDL (talk) 20:04, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
What about as a compromise, renaming it something like United Nations statistical divisions? TDL (talk) 20:17, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
TDL, thanks for your prompt response.
I think we can meet each other perfectly with that compromise. By that way people will understand easier for what reason its used for and what all this stands for. I will start fixing the articles somewhere later today or tomorrow according this agreeing.
Oh btw, thus we will name those separate geoscheme articles about the regions of the world "United Nations statistical division for Europe/Africa/America" etc etc.? Sounds good to me.
Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 02:41, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, that sounds good. The only suggestion I would make is to use the plural "United Nations statistical divisions for Europe/Africa/America".
Glad we could find a compromise! TDL (talk) 14:22, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

International recognition of Kosovo[edit]

Looks as if STP does not recognise right now. Would you like to add anything to Talk:International recognition of Kosovo before any changes are made? --Oranges Juicy (talk) 16:03, 25 May 2015 (UTC)