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Winston McCall Comment[edit]

About the PROD, someone placed a no-reference BLP, which was rectified. I was torn between CSD and AfD, hoping to give the author/others a chance to expand. Therefore I did a normal PROD on it. Unless there is any improvement today I'll AfD Winston McCall.--☾Loriendrew☽ (talk) 18:50, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Entirely fair enough :-) - David Gerard (talk) 19:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


List of content management systems[edit]

Hey there,

Do you think you could review this page again? I have been trying to delete entries that do not have any notabilities and/or even pages but my changes are being reverted! (By people who added their own companies I am guessing)

Thanks :) Puda (talk) 11:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

A Sisyphean task. Just cleaned out the redlinked and unlinked entries again - David Gerard (talk) 11:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
You are the best. Puda (talk) 12:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

errol dave et al[edit]

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or something like that satusuro 16:12, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

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Mark Overmars Nominated For Deletion[edit]

Hello there, I noticed you were in the previous discussion for the deletion of the Mark Overmars article which has since been recreated posing the same issues as before. If you could possibly weigh in on the new discussion it would be appreciated. Thanks. BlitzGreg (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Amira Pyliotis > Tecoma (musician)[edit]

I've opened a discussion at talkpage suggesting the above move. I believe it is not controversial so I haven't used the formal 'plate. If you have an opinion either way you're welcome to provide it.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Brendan Eich article[edit]

Hi David! As an editor on Brendan Eich, would you be up for contributing to the discussion at Talk:Brendan Eich#Prop 8 donation? Thanks! Dreamyshade (talk) 00:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Reference Errors on 27 January[edit]

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D'oh! - David Gerard (talk) 00:24, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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OpenOffice.org[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic OpenOffice.org. Thank you. --Tóraí (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Not sure content disputes are administrative issues - David Gerard (talk) 08:41, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Delete all unsourced BLP statements on sight?[edit]

Your input would be appreciated at BLP Talk . Dezastru (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

OpenOffice[edit]

David, thank you for your compliment on my recent edit to OpenOffice. This is a thoroughly confusing, misused and misapropriated phrase both in common parlance and (even) within technical circles. I further elaborated on that subsequent to your acolade (interspersed by an edit by User:Walter Görlitz) ... especially now that there is a new generation who seem to be anaware of, for example, OpenDoc.
Enquire (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a tangled mess. I'm not sure your rewrite is ideal, but it's not wrong. I can see someone taking exception to the link in the header for the link to OOXML. (Though I suppose in a disambig page, we can't really put a reference to the Microsoft person erroneously calling it "Open Office XML" at a conference ...) But in general, cheers for diving in :-) - David Gerard (talk) 22:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

rfc/u[edit]

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VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

February 2014[edit]

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Tablewaiters[edit]

An AfD discussion for the article on Tablewaiters is currently being debated. At this stage I am undecided as to whether it should be kept or not but I do feel the arguements for its deletion are a little light on. Given your extensive knowledge on the Australian music scene in the 1980s I thought you might be aware of the band and/or have some thoughts as to where I might find some additional references/sources on information pertaining to the band. In order to determine whether its worth retaining.Dan arndt (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:D.A.F. (band)[edit]

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Minny Pops[edit]

Hello David... how kind of you to thank me for my very tiny edit to the Minny Pops page. I was astonished to see your note this morning - what a nice thing to do. I went to a Wikipedia edit-a-thon last night and met some wonderful Wikimedia UK folks, and it's inspired me to try to learn more and contribute more. Thanks for making me feel so welcome. When I remember how to send you a kitten, I will! 9frm (talk) 09:40, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I feel those of us working on the obscure post-punk that approximately nobody cares about need all the encouragement available :-) And I think the "thank" function is a FANTASTIC idea - David Gerard (talk) 10:15, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor RFC[edit]

I undid your comment at the VisualEditor RFC, as the discussion is not yet opened. We are currently working on improving the format of the discussion, so we will hopefully arrive at a meaningful conversation and consensus. If you'd like, I can contact you directly when the RFC does open. Thank you for your interest. - Ypnypn (talk) 21:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, sorry for jumping the gun :-) - David Gerard (talk) 23:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

IP address block[edit]

David, it seems you blocked a corporate network probably years ago now based at 12.145.184.6, with the reason "{{blocked proxy}}: Appears to be compromised corporate network machine - could the sysadmin please email me for unblock". I don't have an email address for you, so this is the next best option. Someone was trying to create a new account from one of our PCs and the block prevented this. If you prefer email, that's perfectly fine by me; just let me know where to send stuff to. --Jemiller226 (talk) 20:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

If you can link to the block, I'll unblock it - David Gerard (talk) 20:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Found it! Unblocked. Be good now ;-) - David Gerard (talk) 20:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Natural News[edit]

Hello David Gerard! Just wondering if you’ve seen my most recent comment on the Natural News talk page, I was hoping you could help me clear up some confusion regarding some of the concerns I’ve been having. Thanks for the help! Adamh4 (talk) 20:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (bug 54361http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54361).
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the Ctrl+Alt+S or  Command+ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

ANI Notice[edit]

FYI, I didn't mention you by name, but I listed a few diffs involving you at ANI here. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks.   — Jess· Δ 20:50, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

SaaS Sub-list Request in "List of Content Management Systems"[edit]

Hello, David. Thank you for policing the List of Content Management Systems. I'm writing to ask if you're comfortable taking an additional editing step: in the SaaS subsection you'll notice the "Huddle" editor has ignored alphabetical order and placed that system first, ahead of all of the other systems. As a contributor myself I'm loathe to start an edit war, but am hoping that with your experience in policing the list you might feel comfortable moving Huddle to its rightful place in the list. All the other contributors have played nicely in the sandbox, the lone exception should be brought into line. Thanks -- Snoddoggy (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it a big deal, MediaWiki table syntax is horrible and confusing :-) Will shift it shortly - David Gerard (talk) 19:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Brendan Eich[edit]

Thank you for your comments on the Talk page for Brendan Eich. I am concerned that one editor seems to be risking an edit war for political reasons, and if you have time I would appreciate any further attention you might spare.TVC 15 (talk) 01:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Ian McFarlane[edit]

Hi. I know you created this article almost a decade ago now, but an editor at the Teahouse has questioned the notability of the article Ian McFarlane, among other concerns. If you want, you can give your thoughts on the matter there. Regards, Mz7 (talk) 05:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

An Unbelievable Embarrassment for Wikipedia[edit]

Hey, I've never really talked to you but am a big fan of Rational Wiki and last night, as I took a break from my schoolwork still (legally) wired by pharmaceuticals to learn, I read the whole of the Arbitration Committee drama from your bold and just action to the end. I don't know why I'm writing to you other than to say that I kept reading hoping to find the part of the story where the ridiculous policies and actions end- and they never did. I honestly think that the best thing that could happen for Wikipedia as a whole in regards to the Arbitration Committee would be for the next elected committee to abolish themselves.

Right or wrong, I do know that I have to compare you to thinkers such as Frank Knight. He was a man who, his own ideas put aside, had no issue being harsh and to the point when critiquing other academics who he felt could not defend their position or lacked any real reasoning. You did not act like a coward when treated like garbage for doing the right thing, and for reasons like that I feel confident that my upcoming donation (after I finish this post) to RationalWiki's legal/booze fund will be in good hands. Yuppie Puppy (talk) 21:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Heh. Cheers :-) - David Gerard (talk) 22:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jeyênne[edit]

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Speedy rules[edit]

Hi -- you just stated that you don't speedy things that have been around for years. Can you point me to the support for that in our policies or guidelines? Also, are you the creator of the page? Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:05, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Epeefleche, I think you've been around here long enough to know how to check the page history. If you do you'll see that the article content was not contributed by David. (He originally created a redirect at that title, but the article currently located there is entirely the work of others.) So I hope your question wasn't a prelude to making some specious accusation about him removing a speedy deletion tag from his own article. —Psychonaut (talk) 09:01, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
A creation of a redirect is, to my knowledge, a creation. And as to the edit summary explaining the redirect, it appears to be a made-up rule. The two together, coming from a sysop, seem not to satisfy our goal that admins act as we would like editors in general to act.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
To be fair, it's almost worthless and I turned it back into a redirect. The target article XPQ-21 is also currently worthless, even though they're actually notable, but we do have to show it - in its present state I'd have been tempted to PROD it if I didn't know they were noteworthy. I've put out a call for help on my Twitter/FB - David Gerard (talk) 09:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I have zero problem with the result. Just with the two points I made; I think the process was less than I would hope for from an admin -- unless you can demonstrated that your "we don't" comment was something other than a made-up rule, being addressed to me by a sysop whom I should believe. But I had no problem with the result.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry, I was wrong - old-timer's memory. It used to be one, but you're quite right it isn't one now. Think of me as "old Wikipedian yells at cloud" - David Gerard (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks -- do me a favor ... next time you're yelling, think twice. You might drive away an editor, without good reason.Epeefleche (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I know, I'll try to be good. DON'T SEND ME TO THAT HOME - David Gerard (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I won't. I'm there now, and using their only computer.Epeefleche (talk) 21:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of XPQ-21 for deletion[edit]

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/XPQ-21 until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Hard to call that unfair in its present condition - David Gerard (talk) 09:18, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014[edit]

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Deletion of Simple Scale link[edit]

What's the reason you delete the link to the simple scale open source framework on the embarrassingly parallel page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.103.29.153 (talk) 09:13, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Lack of an article, lack of evidence of noteworthiness - David Gerard (talk) 09:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
  • You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing  Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
  • VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and MediaWiki.org). If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
  • When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
  • The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
  • The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
  • If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "Move" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "Edit source" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "Edit source" and "View history" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.
The drop-down menu is on the right, next to the search box.

Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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I heard your interview on the radio and was impressed by your clear, simple explanations and reasonably good humour. Thanks for helping to improve public understanding of Wikipedia! BethNaught (talk) 22:11, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
They ran my bit? I thought they didn't! About when in the programme was it? Are you sure you didn't hear Seddon's piece on Radio 4? Cheers :-) - David Gerard (talk) 00:00, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
You were on in the last ten minutes of the show. They mentioned Wikipedia several times which may be why you thought they cut you. They used about four minutes of you in the end. :) BethNaught (talk) 07:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
There I am! 2:51:00 on. Thank you :-D - David Gerard (talk) 23:02, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Molyneux article slow revert war[edit]

I appreciate your efforts to point out the flaws in the Molyneux article, but several people over many months have worked to improve it. The sources are far better than when the tags were placed on it. Since your only edits on the page are to continually re-insert the tags, I can only assume you're continuing this slow revert war in order to shame the subject of the article. Please describe your specific complaints on the talk page, not in edit summaries of your reverts. -- Netoholic @ 18:06, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

No, it's because the sources are still terrible, per past discussion on the talk page - the problems haven't been remedied. If that article suffered a proper BLP blowtorching back to solid RSes, there'd be almost nothing left. Perhaps it needs one. I have reiterated my concerns on the talk page - David Gerard (talk) 18:37, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
This is a discussion you need to have on the pages Talk page, not here. Describe which sources are poor. Also, your last revert removed a source, which you didn't mention in your edit summary. This is getting careless. All you seem to want is to keep the tag spam on top of the page at all costs. You've not made any effort to either improve the page or communicate specific problems. If the article is not notable at this point, this long after... then submit it for deletion and we'll see how far that gets. You are warned that your slow revert war for the tags is unacceptable now at this point. -- Netoholic @ 18:49, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
I have noted it on the talk page just now. Please discuss there rather than removing tags that really just have not been addressed - David Gerard (talk) 18:50, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
Hoping against hope, I have responded to Netoholic's rejection of the tags on Molyneux talk. I forget all of the various ones that he has removed, but if you have the time and energy, perhaps now is a propitious time to restore all the erased tags. I hope they will generate increased participation and also attract some new editors to see whether this article can be salvaged. SPECIFICO talk 20:00, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Hillsborough[edit]

Hello, I've no idea if it's appropriate for you to get involved, but there's some discussion about whether the recent events regarding vandalism should be mentioned in the Hillsborough article itself (current consensus: no) Talk:Hillsborough disaster#Removal of the section about the government IP edits. 2.25.112.149 (talk) 13:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014[edit]

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The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "Cite" menu, press "Cite" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "Cite" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Language" tool in the "Insert" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "Formula" item in the "Insert" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "Cancel" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Style text" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "Save page" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

warning re: notability tag[edit]

Warning icon Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Stefan Molyneux, you may be blocked from editing.

Your participation in vote on the talk page RFC is tacit acceptance that the article is about a notable subject. As such, repeated misuse of the {{notability}} tag has now fallen under the realm of WP:VANDTYPES "Abuse of tags" because that tag is specifically designed for an "article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted." If you believe in good faith that one of those options is necessary, then you need to take action on those options... not re-insertion of the tag. -- Netoholic @ 20:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Considering you were just blocked for 48 hours for personal attacks on the talk page ... - David Gerard (talk) 20:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Philosopher Molyneux[edit]

I suggest you request an Admin close, per SNOW, rather than change the article text without a declared consensus. Given the recent history of the article, I'm afraid that the issue will recur. As to 'cyberphilosopher' -- I think it's kind of an undefined and maybe even tongue in cheek term and I'd suggest we just remove the "philosopher" name after the close and leave him described as a podcaster and writer, both indisputable, who discusses this and that. SPECIFICO talk 23:02, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I felt removing "philosopher" was justified on sourcing grounds. I'm pretty sure "cyberphilosopher" doesn't stand - David Gerard (talk) 23:32, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

please be advised[edit]

Due to circumstances, this is the most convenient way for me to inform you of [1] which i suspect may be of some interest with regards to your satirical efforts. 223.104.5.8 (talk) 09:29, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Britain First protection[edit]

Did you mean to fully protect Britain First? The semi it already had seems sufficient, as the user who rolled back made a mistake (see their contribs) GedUK  12:34, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

There is still a pending indefinite semi-protection for Britain First, which I believe is best as it is IPs who are vandalising the page more than a content dispute '''tAD''' (talk) 12:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not worried either way, I thought it was logged-in editors then warring after the semi. If others want to take it back to semi, I have no objection at all - David Gerard (talk) 15:18, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Geoff Collinson (2nd nomination)[edit]

How is this a keep close? At best a no consensus. LibStar (talk) 14:01, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I notice you made both delete nominations and needed subject-area jargon explained to you along the way; it's possible you're a bit wedded to this one - David Gerard (talk) 14:03, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
so whilst not a vote, a limited participation afd comes out as keep? Why did you not use this reasoning when closing? LibStar (talk) 14:07, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Why does this make a difference to you? What different effect do you anticipate in the world? - David Gerard (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Because procedures need to be followed, on face value it looked like you applied a super! vote LibStar (talk) 14:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
That precisely does not answer the question I asked - David Gerard (talk) 14:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

So why did you not explain your keep conclusion when it appeared no clear consensus for keep especially due to lack of participants. LibStar (talk) 14:44, 16 June 2014 (UTC) I also question why you closed it when it was only relisted 3 hours earlier. LibStar (talk) 14:16, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Because it was the second relisting and should have been a close in some direction. I was actually going to close it today anyway - David Gerard (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
2 relistings are permitted as per WP:RELIST. LibStar (talk) 14:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
"can be" and "should" are different matters. Again, what difference do you expect in the wider world? What actual substantive difference are you anticipating? - David Gerard (talk) 14:41, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Again, you should explain why you have performed an early close. Cutting corners on procedure does matter, other editors cannot read your mind. LibStar (talk) 14:44, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

It's not early, it's a week late. Now, for the third time: What difference do you expect in the wider world? What actual substantive difference are you anticipating? Please answer this question before you ask any more questions - David Gerard (talk) 14:45, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
for the 2nd time, please answer "So why did you not explain your keep conclusion when it appeared no clear consensus for keep especially due to lack of participants" ? LibStar (talk) 14:53, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
  • The nomination was to delete it and there was no consensus to do so. The status quo thus maintained is to keep it. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:18, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Deletion review for Geoff Collinson[edit]

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VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

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Did you know?

The character formatting menu, or "Style text" menu lets you set bold, italic, and other text styles. "Clear formatting" removes all text styles and removes links to other pages.

Do you think that clear formatting should remove links? Are there changes you would like to see for this menu? Share your opinion at MediaWiki.org.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

The VisualEditor team is mostly working to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

  • They have moved the "Keyboard shortcuts" link out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Within dialog boxes, buttons are now more accessible (via the Tab key) from the keyboard.
  • You can now see the target of the link when you click on it, without having to open the inspector.
  • The team also expanded TemplateData: You can now add a parameter type  "date" for dates and times in the ISO 8601 format, and  "boolean" for values which are true or false. Also, templates that redirect to other templates (like {{citeweb}}{{cite web}}) now get the TemplateData of their target (bug 50964). You can test TemplateData by editing mw:Template:Sandbox/doc.
  • Category: and File: pages now display their contents correctly after saving an edit (bug 65349, bug 64239)
  • They have also improved reference editing: You should no longer be able to add empty citations with VisualEditor (bug 64715), as with references. When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to replace it with another reference instead. 
  • It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor. Remember that inline images cannot display captions, so existing captions get removed. Many other bugs related to images were also fixed.
  • You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the "Page options" menu, rounding out the full set of page options currently planned.
  • The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler.

Looking ahead[edit]

The VisualEditor team has posted a draft of their goals for the next fiscal year. You can read them and suggest changes on MediaWiki.org.

The team posts details about planned work on VisualEditor's roadmap. You will soon be able to drag-and-drop text as well as images. If you drag an image to a new place, it won't let you place it in the middle of a paragraph. All dialog boxes and windows will be simplified based on user testing and feedback. The VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for citations. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments and adding rows and columns to tables.

Supporting your wiki[edit]

Please read VisualEditor/Citation tool for information on configuring the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". This menu will not appear unless it has been configured on your wiki.

If you speak a language other than English, we need your help with translating the user guide. The guide is out of date or incomplete for many languages, and what's on your wiki may not be the most recent translation. Please contact me if you need help getting started with translation work on MediaWiki.org.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Saturday, 19 July 2014 at 21:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas and Pacific Islands) or on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 9:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East, Asia).

To change your subscription to this newsletter, please see the subscription pages on Meta or the English Wikipedia. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Control (2005 film)[edit]

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Kay Sievers[edit]

Hi, is there a reason why you reverted my edits on the Kay Sievers page? Was I violating a guideline? Thx! 59.182.251.53 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:53, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

One argument with Linus Torvalds is not a defining event in someone's life - in a biography of a living person, every incident needs to be noteworthy. This got some news reports, but kernel arguments happen lots and lots (and are easy fodder for a ZDnet writeup). I think it wouldn't help if we got lots of kernel devs' bios and added "and was flamed by Linus Torvalds [1][2][3]". YMMV and I could be wrong, of course. The problem is really that Kay Sievers is a minorly-notable person who does a lot of important things in the world but hasn't had a lot of third-party coverage as a personality - David Gerard (talk) 10:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Fair enough. Your reasoning is hard to find fault with. :) OTOH I still feel that this page needs to cover more about the controversial aspects of Kay's work. I'm not sure all his work is important but some might think it is more notorious or a nuscience. 59.182.255.187 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:25, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Might be worth a mention in the systemd article, maybe. There should be enough substance that the software is controversial (which it is) without seeming to get personal - David Gerard (talk) 21:59, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmm..Ok. But you reverted my edits on the systemd article too? Same reason? 59.182.252.107 (talk) 12:59, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

In case this is of interest to you:[edit]

I believe you have a long historical perspective and have tried to be helpful with some of the concerns. [2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by SPECIFICO (talkcontribs)

[3] - David Gerard (talk) 19:31, 11 July 2014 (UTC)