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Winston McCall Comment[edit]

About the PROD, someone placed a no-reference BLP, which was rectified. I was torn between CSD and AfD, hoping to give the author/others a chance to expand. Therefore I did a normal PROD on it. Unless there is any improvement today I'll AfD Winston McCall.--☾Loriendrew☽ (talk) 18:50, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Entirely fair enough :-) - David Gerard (talk) 19:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

List of content management systems[edit]

Hey there,

Do you think you could review this page again? I have been trying to delete entries that do not have any notabilities and/or even pages but my changes are being reverted! (By people who added their own companies I am guessing)

Thanks :) Puda (talk) 11:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

A Sisyphean task. Just cleaned out the redlinked and unlinked entries again - David Gerard (talk) 11:26, 16 January 2014 (UTC)
You are the best. Puda (talk) 12:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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or something like that satusuro 16:12, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

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Mark Overmars Nominated For Deletion[edit]

Hello there, I noticed you were in the previous discussion for the deletion of the Mark Overmars article which has since been recreated posing the same issues as before. If you could possibly weigh in on the new discussion it would be appreciated. Thanks. BlitzGreg (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

Amira Pyliotis > Tecoma (musician)[edit]

I've opened a discussion at talkpage suggesting the above move. I believe it is not controversial so I haven't used the formal 'plate. If you have an opinion either way you're welcome to provide it.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Brendan Eich article[edit]

Hi David! As an editor on Brendan Eich, would you be up for contributing to the discussion at Talk:Brendan Eich#Prop 8 donation? Thanks! Dreamyshade (talk) 00:29, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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D'oh! - David Gerard (talk) 00:24, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion is about the topic Thank you. --Tóraí (talk) 23:59, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Not sure content disputes are administrative issues - David Gerard (talk) 08:41, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Delete all unsourced BLP statements on sight?[edit]

Your input would be appreciated at BLP Talk . Dezastru (talk) 00:49, 13 February 2014 (UTC)


David, thank you for your compliment on my recent edit to OpenOffice. This is a thoroughly confusing, misused and misapropriated phrase both in common parlance and (even) within technical circles. I further elaborated on that subsequent to your acolade (interspersed by an edit by User:Walter Görlitz) ... especially now that there is a new generation who seem to be anaware of, for example, OpenDoc.
Enquire (talk) 22:29, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, it's a tangled mess. I'm not sure your rewrite is ideal, but it's not wrong. I can see someone taking exception to the link in the header for the link to OOXML. (Though I suppose in a disambig page, we can't really put a reference to the Microsoft person erroneously calling it "Open Office XML" at a conference ...) But in general, cheers for diving in :-) - David Gerard (talk) 22:38, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


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VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

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An AfD discussion for the article on Tablewaiters is currently being debated. At this stage I am undecided as to whether it should be kept or not but I do feel the arguements for its deletion are a little light on. Given your extensive knowledge on the Australian music scene in the 1980s I thought you might be aware of the band and/or have some thoughts as to where I might find some additional references/sources on information pertaining to the band. In order to determine whether its worth retaining.Dan arndt (talk) 01:55, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

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Minny Pops[edit]

Hello David... how kind of you to thank me for my very tiny edit to the Minny Pops page. I was astonished to see your note this morning - what a nice thing to do. I went to a Wikipedia edit-a-thon last night and met some wonderful Wikimedia UK folks, and it's inspired me to try to learn more and contribute more. Thanks for making me feel so welcome. When I remember how to send you a kitten, I will! 9frm (talk) 09:40, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I feel those of us working on the obscure post-punk that approximately nobody cares about need all the encouragement available :-) And I think the "thank" function is a FANTASTIC idea - David Gerard (talk) 10:15, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor RFC[edit]

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Yes, sorry for jumping the gun :-) - David Gerard (talk) 23:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

IP address block[edit]

David, it seems you blocked a corporate network probably years ago now based at, with the reason "{{blocked proxy}}: Appears to be compromised corporate network machine - could the sysadmin please email me for unblock". I don't have an email address for you, so this is the next best option. Someone was trying to create a new account from one of our PCs and the block prevented this. If you prefer email, that's perfectly fine by me; just let me know where to send stuff to. --Jemiller226 (talk) 20:10, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

If you can link to the block, I'll unblock it - David Gerard (talk) 20:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Found it! Unblocked. Be good now ;-) - David Gerard (talk) 20:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Natural News[edit]

Hello David Gerard! Just wondering if you’ve seen my most recent comment on the Natural News talk page, I was hoping you could help me clear up some confusion regarding some of the concerns I’ve been having. Thanks for the help! Adamh4 (talk) 20:45, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

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ANI Notice[edit]

FYI, I didn't mention you by name, but I listed a few diffs involving you at ANI here. Just wanted to let you know. Thanks.   — Jess· Δ 20:50, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

SaaS Sub-list Request in "List of Content Management Systems"[edit]

Hello, David. Thank you for policing the List of Content Management Systems. I'm writing to ask if you're comfortable taking an additional editing step: in the SaaS subsection you'll notice the "Huddle" editor has ignored alphabetical order and placed that system first, ahead of all of the other systems. As a contributor myself I'm loathe to start an edit war, but am hoping that with your experience in policing the list you might feel comfortable moving Huddle to its rightful place in the list. All the other contributors have played nicely in the sandbox, the lone exception should be brought into line. Thanks -- Snoddoggy (talk) 19:41, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it a big deal, MediaWiki table syntax is horrible and confusing :-) Will shift it shortly - David Gerard (talk) 19:45, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Brendan Eich[edit]

Thank you for your comments on the Talk page for Brendan Eich. I am concerned that one editor seems to be risking an edit war for political reasons, and if you have time I would appreciate any further attention you might spare.TVC 15 (talk) 01:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Ian McFarlane[edit]

Hi. I know you created this article almost a decade ago now, but an editor at the Teahouse has questioned the notability of the article Ian McFarlane, among other concerns. If you want, you can give your thoughts on the matter there. Regards, Mz7 (talk) 05:15, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

An Unbelievable Embarrassment for Wikipedia[edit]

Hey, I've never really talked to you but am a big fan of Rational Wiki and last night, as I took a break from my schoolwork still (legally) wired by pharmaceuticals to learn, I read the whole of the Arbitration Committee drama from your bold and just action to the end. I don't know why I'm writing to you other than to say that I kept reading hoping to find the part of the story where the ridiculous policies and actions end- and they never did. I honestly think that the best thing that could happen for Wikipedia as a whole in regards to the Arbitration Committee would be for the next elected committee to abolish themselves.

Right or wrong, I do know that I have to compare you to thinkers such as Frank Knight. He was a man who, his own ideas put aside, had no issue being harsh and to the point when critiquing other academics who he felt could not defend their position or lacked any real reasoning. You did not act like a coward when treated like garbage for doing the right thing, and for reasons like that I feel confident that my upcoming donation (after I finish this post) to RationalWiki's legal/booze fund will be in good hands. Yuppie Puppy (talk) 21:58, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Heh. Cheers :-) - David Gerard (talk) 22:03, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jeyênne[edit]

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Speedy rules[edit]

Hi -- you just stated that you don't speedy things that have been around for years. Can you point me to the support for that in our policies or guidelines? Also, are you the creator of the page? Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:05, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Epeefleche, I think you've been around here long enough to know how to check the page history. If you do you'll see that the article content was not contributed by David. (He originally created a redirect at that title, but the article currently located there is entirely the work of others.) So I hope your question wasn't a prelude to making some specious accusation about him removing a speedy deletion tag from his own article. —Psychonaut (talk) 09:01, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
A creation of a redirect is, to my knowledge, a creation. And as to the edit summary explaining the redirect, it appears to be a made-up rule. The two together, coming from a sysop, seem not to satisfy our goal that admins act as we would like editors in general to act.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
To be fair, it's almost worthless and I turned it back into a redirect. The target article XPQ-21 is also currently worthless, even though they're actually notable, but we do have to show it - in its present state I'd have been tempted to PROD it if I didn't know they were noteworthy. I've put out a call for help on my Twitter/FB - David Gerard (talk) 09:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I have zero problem with the result. Just with the two points I made; I think the process was less than I would hope for from an admin -- unless you can demonstrated that your "we don't" comment was something other than a made-up rule, being addressed to me by a sysop whom I should believe. But I had no problem with the result.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry, I was wrong - old-timer's memory. It used to be one, but you're quite right it isn't one now. Think of me as "old Wikipedian yells at cloud" - David Gerard (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks -- do me a favor ... next time you're yelling, think twice. You might drive away an editor, without good reason.Epeefleche (talk) 21:04, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I know, I'll try to be good. DON'T SEND ME TO THAT HOME - David Gerard (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I won't. I'm there now, and using their only computer.Epeefleche (talk) 21:12, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of XPQ-21 for deletion[edit]

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Hard to call that unfair in its present condition - David Gerard (talk) 09:18, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

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