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May 2014[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Ahunt. I wanted to let you know that I removed one or more external links you added to the page gNewSense, because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. - Ahunt (talk) 20:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Information icon Please do not add inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to Trisquel. Wikipedia is not a collection of links, nor should it be used for advertising or promotion. Inappropriate links include, but are not limited to, links to personal websites, links to websites with which you are affiliated (whether as a link in article text, or a citation in an article), and links that attract visitors to a website or promote a product. See the external links guideline and spam guideline for further explanations. Because Wikipedia uses the nofollow attribute value, its external links are disregarded by most search engines. If you feel the link should be added to the page, please discuss it on the associated talk page rather than re-adding it. Thank you. - Ahunt (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Wikipedia, as you did to BLAG Linux and GNU. It is considered spamming and Wikipedia is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Wikipedia uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Wikipedia will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. - Ahunt (talk) 00:09, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ahunt: These are not spam links but license references. Is it Wikipedia policy to ignore a problem on the grounds that the FSF reports it? --David Hedlund (talk) 00:13, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
FSF does not set policy for Wikipedia. Your continued insertion of FSF and GNU.org links is disruptive and after many warnings not to do this, is now vandalism. See see Wikipedia:Vandalism#Spam_external_linking. - Ahunt (talk) 00:16, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
@Ahunt:No, its hard work ruined by you. Congratulations, I hope you are satisfied. It would be so much better if you assume good faith instead of pointing out how bad my edits are. -David Hedlund (talk) 00:19, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Curious - when you say the FSF reports it, what are you referring to? Would it help to use the talk page of the articles to resolve these issues, and refrain from making mass changes until there's WP:CONSENSUS. Ahunt has a point about disruption (and edit summaries) [1], and maybe worth reading WP:BRD, hope that helps with the understandable frustration of reverted work. Widefox; talk 11:47, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
@Widefox: There is a problem with the term "source model; it's described in http://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#SourceModel and "Market"; it's described in http://gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Market. Despite name-calling like "spam" and "vandalism", the problem calls for attention. If I haven't used the right method to signal the problem, what method should I use? Is there a way to raise the issue that follows rules but isn't a hopeless dead end? --David Hedlund (talk) 18:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Coordinating[edit]

(The preferred method is to archive your talk page, rather than delete). I was looking for a reply to my question [2], care to? Widefox; talk 19:31, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

May 2014[edit]

Stop icon You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by inserting commentary or your personal analysis into an article, as you did at Linux. Can you explain why you're adding WP:CSECTIONs (and NSA controversy generally) to articles? [3] (although reworded here [4]) Would it be possible for you to not give me the impression WP:IDHT. I ask you again to use edit summaries. This is no place for WP:ADVOCACY. These edits are fail WP:NPOV and I've reverted several of them. Stop now and engage in dialogue about this - WP policies and guidelines, or you will be blocked. Widefox; talk 20:02, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Ahunt: pls can you double check the Linux article changes (and any others) for neutrality, as I'd rather get a second opinion than revert all myself. Thanks Widefox; talk 20:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
@Widefox: Because they all contain the same text so I didn't want to confuse the readers by letting them having different titles. --David Hedlund (talk) 20:09, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Firstly, read WP:COPYPASTE, then have another attempt at justifying all this disruption I've asked you above. I'm sure Ahunt is with me here, it really would be cool to have more Linux editors around here. Widefox; talk 20:37, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Bitmessage.ch[edit]

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Article expansions[edit]

Hi: I appreciate your effort to expand articles, but please don't refer to copyediting when expansion is all you are doing. It's doubly misleading since at both National Security Agency and Red cabbage, your addition contained grammar/syntax errors. In addition, please cover bare URLs. There are a number of ways of formatting references, and it is best to follow the model already used in the article, but at a minimum you should be giving the title and the publication, and preferably also the publication date (or retrieval date if none) and the author's name. Note also our strong preference for reliable sources; the red cabbage addition used a nutrition article from some sort of filler service for newspapers, but admittedly the source already present in the article also turned out to be not very good. However, you should use academic books and journal articles when you can, especially for health-related material - and one of the reasons for identifying sources is so the reader can judge their merits. Yngvadottir (talk) 04:38, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I will likely[edit]

...bring RHaworth before an admin noticeboard at some point, for his shoot-before-discussion attitude, and general user incivility. However, I am not a wiki-techonocrat, and for me it would take enormous time to generate the WP:this and WP:that text needed for a successful visit to a noticeboard. Please advise if you or others you know are experienced at this, and would collaborate on making this case. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 16:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

@Leprof 7272: Thanks for your support Leprof. I'll try to make something useful of our Wikipedia relationship sir. --David Hedlund (talk) 19:08, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Also[edit]

As a native English speaker with roots in the EU, I would be glad to review important edits that you make for English language. Call the important ones to my attention at User_Talk:Leprof_7272. If you wish to know who I am, go to the User page and un-gray it via the Edit tab. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 16:37, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

@Leprof 7272: I would be very happy if you would like to help me proof read the whole entheogen article as I've dedicated a lot of energy in it. --David Hedlund (talk) 06:25, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Will do. Give me through the weekend, but it will likely be sooner. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 14:05, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
I added Ethanol#Human metabolite, can you pls rephrase it and later add it to List of common misconceptions? Please also confirm if you do this. Regards. --David Hedlund (talk) 18:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Instant Heart Rate[edit]

Hello David Hedlund,

I wanted to let you know that I just tagged Instant Heart Rate for deletion, because the article doesn't clearly say why the subject is important enough to be included in an encyclopedia.

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You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Fenix down (talk) 11:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines[edit]

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Notification of potential conflict of interest[edit]

Information icon Hello, David Hedlund. We welcome your contributions to Wikipedia, but if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about in the article GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines, you may have a conflict of interest.

All editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content policy. People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible.

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@Ahunt: Why don't you just edit GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines and point out what I've missing so I can learn how to avoid problems with people like you? --David Hedlund (talk) 14:45, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
I tagged you here for a potential COI because you seem to be here on Wikipedia just to promote GNU and FSF and not to build a neutral encyclopedia. I did some small fixes on GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines, but the problem is that it is an article about a non-notable policy of an organization. It shouldn't be an article. - Ahunt (talk) 15:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of GNU Free System Distribution Guidelines[edit]

I have nominated this article for deletion due to the reasons provided at the deletion discussion. You may wish to make a comment there. Seraphimblade Talk to me 15:33, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello David, I wanted to follow up with you as I really do want to see a Linux-focused editor be successful. I'm a strong proponent of Linux and free software in general as well, but as Wikipedia editors, while we all have our personal feelings on things, it's critical to leave them at the door and edit entirely from a neutral perspective. Edits should be based upon what reliable sources have to say, never upon what we as editors personally think, and not upon our personal interpretations or synthesis of the source material. Primary sources may be used with appropriate precautions, such as never being used to provide promotional or surprising information, but should not be the main source material for any article. Standalone articles must be notable; that is, their subjects must have been extensively covered by reliable sources unaffiliated with the subject. If that is not the case, we cannot sustain a full article on the subject, though it may be appropriate for brief mention in a parent or related article. A redirect to that other article can also be used if the title may be a common search term. I hope that helps to clarify things a bit, and I do know it can be a bit overwhelming at first. Please feel free to ping me if you have any questions. Seraphimblade Talk to me 16:25, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade: Notable distros with their own articles have adopted GNU FSDG, why isn't that enough? --David Hedlund (talk) 17:08, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Because Notability is not inherited. A famous person might own a can opener, that doesn't make the can opener notable. - Ahunt (talk) 17:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
To add to what Ahunt said, if we're going to write an article about GNU FSDG, it is not allowed to write an article based upon one's personal knowledge. To be verifiable, material must come from a reliable source. In any article, the bulk of the article's content should be referenced to published sources which meet our reliability guidelines and are unaffiliated with the subject. Sources closely affiliated with the subject or written by the subject are not likely to be a neutral analysis. It might, of course, be appropriate to note in the article about the distro that it has adapted those guidelines, and to note them as an undertaking by GNU/FSF in those articles, but for a full article with the guidelines as the subject, we must have reliable sources that discuss them in a reasonable degree of detail. If such sources do not exist, we've nothing to base such an article on. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:21, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

In re[edit]

Your message to me…

RHaworth deleted Instant Heart Rate that I created without talking with me first. You told me to contact you if this problem would arise again. How can you help me? --David Hedlund (talk) 13:12, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

I will look into it, and get back with you. Look to conversation here. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 20:24, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

@Leprof 7272: Thank you. Just use {{ping|<username>}} on my talk page or and yours to send me a Notification. --David Hedlund (talk) 02:53, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of System distribution commitments[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: Fermanted beverage[edit]

Hello David Hedlund. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Fermanted beverage, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a recently created redirect - consider WP:RfD. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

@Malik Shabazz: Is not "Fermanted" in the article name "Fermanted beverage" a typo? --David Hedlund (talk) 18:28, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
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@Malik Shabazz: I did that, thanks. --David Hedlund (talk) 18:37, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Block[edit]

I have blocked you briefly. Today's spate of edits are little better than vandalism. Do not propose deletion of any well-established redirect. Do not move any article unless you can show a clear consensus for the move. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

OK, most of the moves were of redirects you had created. But creation of multiple redirects is not a particularly useful activity. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:14, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

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June 2014[edit]

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@Dr.K.: Actually I provided a reliable source if you did read the beginning of the edit summary. Is that a violation? --David Hedlund (talk) 23:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

My new edit-summary explains that a non-peer reviewed work such as a book is not a reliable source for these claims. The book by LaBerge is not peer-reviewed and therefore it is not a reliable source. In any case, this discussion should take place at the article talkpage so that we can have other editors participate and comment. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 23:07, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
@Dr.K.: The quoted text from http://www.lucidity.com/SleepAndCognition.html referred to LaBerge, S., Greenleaf, W., & Kedzierski, B. (1983). Physiological responses to dreamed sexual activity during lucid REM sleep. Psychophysiology, 20, 454-455. that you can review. If its valid I suggest you revert the edit back and add it as a reliable source. Thanks. --David Hedlund (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
I moved the discussion at the article talk and also replied there. Δρ.Κ. λόγοςπράξις 00:31, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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Welcome[edit]

This page WP:MEDHOW can help with your editing. Best Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 03:54, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jmh649: Thank you! How did you get the idea to inform me? --David Hedlund (talk) 03:57, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Saw your edits to methanol. The other thing that we recommend very highly is the use of secondary sources such as review articles. Often primary sources get removed on English Wikipedia. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 04:01, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Moving content around[edit]

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Thank you for the reminder. I wrote about it on Talk:Alcoholic beverage a while ago but now I also added a notice about it in Talk:Alcohol (drug). --David Hedlund (talk) 04:13, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

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Got your note about this, will look in. Don't forget the 4 ~'s. Get me here faster. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 02:29, 21 June 2014 (UTC)
@Leprof 7272: I updated your talk page. --David Hedlund (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Alcohol (drug)[edit]

@Wahrmund: I need your help to proof-read alcohol (drug) as Swedish are my native language. Thank you for all your contributions to the alcoholic beverage article! --David Hedlund (talk) 05:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

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Date rape drug[edit]

@Sue Gardner: Date rape drug was reverted by you.[6] Why didn't you Talk first? Regards --David Hedlund (talk) 20:54, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I explained what I did here. Thanks Sue Gardner (talk) 21:06, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
@Sue Gardner: I splitted the articles. Do you think this compromise is ok? --David Hedlund (talk) 21:14, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Looked at substituted alcohols article[edit]

David: If you do not understand this message, past it into Google translate, and see if that helps. I am writing after reading and reviewing carefully your new "Substituted alcohols" article. The pharmacologic activities of alcohols that you highlight at the new article are only a small subset of the material required for this to become a substantial, important article. Fortunately, all of that additional material—information on alcohol naming (nomenclature), history, physical and chemical properties, occurrence in nature, toxicity, other applications, their reactions and production, etc.—already exists at the Alcohol article. For this reason, I strongly advise you to merge this material into that article. You cannot keep an article on one subtype of alcohol up to date, in all these areas, without help. Other chemistry and pharmacology editors will not agree with the distinctive importance of "substitute alcohols" as needing a separate article, and they are already working to keep the "Alcohol" article up to date.

Though I was tempted, if I make any edits to your article, it will make it more complicated for you to move its material and delete the empty article (which, as an expert on this subject, I advise you to do).

Here is what I recommend you do, specifically: (1) Read this, [7]. (2) Copy and insert each bit of your short "Substituted alcohol" text into the Alcohol article. Do 3-4 sentences a day, and ping me (@User:Leprof_7272) when you do them, and I will check them for English, chemistry, and proper placement. (3) As you make the additions, delete the material from the "Substituted alcohols" article, and state in the edit summary "Text moved to related Alcohol article." (4) When you are done moving all content, then in the Edit area, delete any last remaining markup/coding, leaving the article space blank. Write in the Edit summary "As sole editor, preparing page for deletion."

When we reach this point, I will call the empty article to an Admin's attention, and ask for it to be deleted.

This is my best advice. If I edit at all, you will no longer be able to make this change yourself. And I cannot devote time to an article whose content belongs as a subset of an longer and more well-developed existing article. It is a waste of time to duplicate effort this way. This is my strong advice. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 16:12, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

@Leprof 7272: I reply short here as I suffer from muscle wikinffection after a wikimaraton (~2000 edits this month).
Thank you for being clear how you think I best can achieve something useful with the concept of the article. Would it be even better to merge it to another article I started recently, Alcohol (drug) (think substituted amphetamines)? --David Hedlund (talk) 17:19, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Alcohol (drug)[edit]

Please stop making unexplained changes to numerous articles adding links to alcohol (drug) when such links are not appropriate for the context, as you did in wine and other articles. Some of them are OK, others are not. You've done it so many times it may be easier for me to mass-revert all your changes for today. Please use the edit summary to justify these changes. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:21, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I am torn, but I would support a mass revert and a gathering of consensus before such a massive change. In principle, I like the idea, but the article being linked is far too weak at this time.Unfriend14 (talk) 23:12, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
In fact, reviewing the talk page at I see Alcohol (drug) "will hopefully improve Wikipedia articles significantly by using a link that clearly states that alcohol is a drug". It would seem that this article and associated links are intended as wp:POINT and pushing a strong wp:POV. With that in mind, I am going to open a discussion at wp:ANI as I simply don't know how to call attention to the article, and will add a POV flag to the article as well.Unfriend14 (talk) 23:17, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I went through all the edits today. POV-pushing disruption like this consumes a lot of time from other editors. I am not the only one reverting these edits. Fortunately, most of them seemed OK, actually. Some seemed unnecessary but harmless, a couple clearly misrepresented the cited source, and I reverted probably 10%-20% of them that were clearly the wrong context or reduced precision for the sake of linking to a drug-related page. It's possible I missed some. ~Amatulić (talk) 23:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Editorial commentary[edit]

Information icon Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Journal of Studies on Alcohol and Drugs. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. ~Amatulić (talk) 22:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. G S Palmer (talkcontribs) 23:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm disappointed to see that you're continuing your edits, despite concerns being raised at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, and that you appear to be ignoring the discussion there and not engaging with the community. If you wish to be unblocked, you will need to reassure me or any other administrator who reviews your unblock request that your first priority will be to engage with the community and come to an agreement concerning your recent alcohol related edits. Nick (talk) 12:15, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
@Nick: I have done my best to add links to Alcohol (drug) after context in the articles. I think I did more good than harm. Also, I was never warned about being blocked at my page. --David Hedlund Sweden 12:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Why did you ignore the discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents ? Nick (talk) 12:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
@Nick: Only because I didn't reply does not mean that I ignored it, I read the whole discussion and even quoted it in Talk:Alcohol (drug). --David Hedlund Sweden 12:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@Nick: So can you please unblock me so I may participate in Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents? --David Hedlund Sweden 12:30, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, on the understanding that you will be reblocked if you immediately return to making the same edits you were making before. You must ensure you gain consensus for the edits you are making before proceeding to make such wide reaching changes. Nick (talk) 12:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
@Nick: Of course. I am sorry but this is how I edit occasionally. I will put Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents in my Link page so I care to use it more often. --David Hedlund Sweden 12:34, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Your signature[edit]

Hi, I notice that your signature includes a template, specifically {{country data Sweden|flagicon/core|variant=|size=10px}}, and that the template concerned displays an image, File:Flag of Sweden.svg. Please note that these practices are contrary to WP:SIG#NT and WP:SIGIMAGE. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thank you for the notification. I replaced the flag with text. --David Hedlund SWE 15:52, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Face-smile.svg Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 15:56, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Mailtor listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Mailtor. Since you had some involvement with the Mailtor redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. — Rhododendrites talk |  16:01, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Please stop[edit]

Please refrain from making major edits to the area of alcohol abuse on the English Wikipedia until the discussion at the administrators' noticeboard concludes. You have shown to be unable to contribute with a neutral point of view in this matter. This includes your recent creation of Alcohol and crimes. Stop making WP:POVFORKs.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 15:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dysphoriant[edit]

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Stop what you're doing[edit]

You were unblocked on the condition that you would discuss, and stop making controversial edits without getting consensus for your edits before making them, but you continue making controversial edits, without discussion. I also noticed that you try to sneak edits through with a deliberately misleading edit summary, such as this edit on Alcohol (drug) where you try to add the infobox for drugs, with the edit summary "adding/improving references". Did you honestly believe that noone would notice? Thomas.W talk 17:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Ditto the above.
Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:17, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Reblock_recommended JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) David, if you continue, an uninvolved admin may choose to block you. As an alternative remedy, I have suggested at AN/I that it is time to consider imposing a topic ban on you, since you have demonstrated that you cannot edit neutrally on the topic of alcohol and have not voluntarily stopped making contentious edits in the area, such as the creation of Alcohol and crimes. One way or another, you need to stop making these edits; it would be much better for the encyclopedia if you would turn your attention to other areas. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

I've reblocked you. I am disappointed you ignored the condition of your unblock and continued to make edits which others find unacceptable. You will now be restricted to discussing your edits and behaviour here. Nick (talk) 19:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Its ok that you are dissapointed @Nick:. And its ok that I made my mistake too. Humans are err. However, did you read all my messages at your Talk page? Also, did you have a look at User:David_Hedlund/Alcohol_(drug)? Why cannot I edit it when I'm blocked? Please answer all 3 questions. Regards. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 19:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

You were unblocked to take part in the ANI discussion, why did you think it was acceptable to go off and resume editing again ? Nick (talk) 19:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@Nick: Because I stopped adding alcohol (drug) to articles and instead focused on improving the article so it made sense at all. There must have been a missunderstanding here. Can you unblock me from edit my own user space until this has been resolved? --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 19:51, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
When blocked, you can only edit your talk page (this page) and no others. Your priority should be to resolve the issues that have resulted in you being blocked, not continuing to work on what some people clearly believe is a POV fork. Nick (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@Nick: So how do I make that move from here? I will continue to edit the article on the top of this page. I hope thats not a problem as Wikipedia is not censored. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 20:07, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@Nick: Are you admins even able to set permissions in different zones of Wikipedia? For exaple limit a user to edit only Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents until that has been solved? --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 20:16, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
No, you don't understand. You will not continue to edit any article while blocked. If you copy an article to this talk page, you will lose your access to this talk page, and then you will be unable to appeal your block. Admins cannot control zones of blocking. When blocked, you have access to your talk page only. Any other restriction by zone must be voluntary on your part.
I will say that I thought you did good work in alcohol (drug), when taken section by section. The problem was that the article as a whole constitutes a WP:POVFORK, bringing together diverse topics that should remain in their own articles. Much of your work would be appropriate if moved into other articles; for example, the table of beverage alcohols would be good to include in alcohol by volume.
Then you compounded the problem by indiscriminately replacing the word "alcohol" in several hundred articles with a link to your POV fork, in my cases inappropriately replacing better-context links with yours. This type of disruptive activity resulted in your first block. Your overlinking as taken other editors (including myself) days to clean up.
Your first priority now is to come to an understanding why you were blocked, determine what activities you will perform on Wikipedia if you are unblocked, and describe your understanding and plans in an unblock request. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:26, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
@Amatulic, Thomas.W: Just looking if there was a way to hack around Wikipedias policy. As it was not possible I strongly suggest that you add some text that using the Talk page for article writing is violation if its not already mentioned. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 20:33, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
What I don't understand is why you would want to continue editing your draft article here on Wikipedia. You have been blocked indefinitely, not for a day or a week, so by the looks of it you will never be able to turn your draft into a real article (something that would also involve getting consensus for it...). So why don't you just download the text to your own computer and continue writing there? The only way you can get unblocked is if you manage to convince the blocking admin, or some other admin reviewing an unblock request, that you understand why you were blocked, and can present convincing arguments for why you would not cause any more disruption on Wikipedia. And collaborate with others, something you haven't even tried so far. Thomas.W talk 20:41, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
By the way, "indefinitely" does not mean "forever", it means "for an indefinite time", determined by when you can convince the blocking administrator that you understand your block and that similar disruption will not resume if unblocked. You had one chance already, but you spoiled it by resuming your regular editing rather than keeping a promise to participate only in ANI. Overall, I believe you do good work and would be a net benefit for Wikipedia if unblocked, provided you agree to certain restrictions. I will leave it to you to figure those out. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:55, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
(ec) We have a guideline on this: WP:OWNTALK clearly says "the purpose of user talk pages is to draw the attention or discuss the edits of a user." Working on draft articles doesn't meet that purpose. Some new inexperienced editors do use their own user page or talk page for drafts, however, this isn't an appropriate use of your talk page while you are blocked. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Amatulic: Thank you for your humble words. I listen to you and will think about this situation in overall. Meanwhile, can you please inform the people at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to check if User:David Hedlund/Alcohol (drug) might suit as better content for the original article? Thank you in advance! --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 21:19, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

That isn't a discussion suitable for ANI. It would belong on the article talk page. I gave you my opinion above: pieces of the article should be incorporated into other articles, such as the tables of beverage alcohol being included in alcohol by volume, where they would fit better than in an article having a drug context. ~Amatulić (talk) 03:05, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Amatulic: The table would suit perfect in Alcohol by volume (especially as ABV are used in legal context too). Yes you are right, can you bring User:David_Hedlund/Alcohol_(drug) to Talk:Alcohol_(drug)? --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 05:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
David, let's make something very clear: There is no way to "hack around Wikipedia policy", as you alluded to above, because Wikipedia policy isn't a set of rigid rules with corresponding loopholes but rather a set of guidelines. Attempting to "hack around" using hyperlegalistic interpretations is itself a violation of the "rule" against wikilawyering. The expectation of all editors is that you will follow the requirements of editing here in letter but even more importantly in spirit. If you're not here to do that, you won't and shouldn't be unblocked. Seraphimblade Talk to me 05:51, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Unblock request[edit]

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This blocked user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy). Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

David Hedlund (block logactive blocksglobal blocksautoblockscontribsdeleted contribsabuse filter logcreation logchange block settingsunblock)


Request reason:

I were unblocked on the condition that you would discuss, and stop making controversial edits without getting consensus for your edits before making them, but I continued making controversial edits, without discussion. This was wrong of me and I'm positive to make a behavior change; I'm willing to revert my changes. David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 6:50 am, Today (UTC+1)

Decline reason:

Since you broke your agreement to restrict your editing before, why should we trust what you say this time? The discussion above indicates to me that you're far more interested in getting your way than in listening to other users and abiding by Wikipedia's policies - this unblock request does nothing to convince me that you will be a net positive to Wikipedia if unblocked. Yunshui  08:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first and then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page for as long as you are blocked.

@Yunshui: I though I was just blocked to add links to the articles so I tried to make things right by improving the article. Obviously this was the wrong decision, I should have reverted my changes from the very beginning and not doing anything else. Can you please point me to a link with policies that should be followed when one is blocked? --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 08:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Yunshui: Also, do I have to make new requests in order to be unblocked? --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 08:50, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Nick: Please have a look at my unblock request. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 08:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Guidance on filing an unblock request can be found here - and yes, you will need to file a new request. Yunshui  09:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
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Request reason:

I were unblocked on the condition that you would discuss, and stop making controversial edits without getting consensus for your edits before making them, but I continued making controversial edits, without discussion. I need to revert my faulty edits so other people do not have to clean up for me. Please forgive me. Amatulić said on this page that "I believe you do good work and would be a net benefit for Wikipedia if unblocked". Also, I have spent some time reading Wikipedia policys to avoid this situation from happening again. It is ok for me if you set a time limit for a unblock if you decide to make it. David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 09:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Decline reason:

It isn't clear to me that you have learned from your block. Can you come back in 1 month and ask again? When you do, I'd like you to clearly state in your own words and with reference to policy what you did wrong and why it won't happen again. John (talk) 17:41, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first and then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page for as long as you are blocked.

@John: Sure. Happy summer. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 18:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

While we wait for an unblock request, could you answer the following questions:

  • You write something about the effects of alcohol and point to a book source you like. Another editor reverts your edit with the summary "rv POV pushing, bad source". What do you do?
    • I respect that decision by either let it be or trying to rewrite it from a neutral point of view if I feel that the reference are important.
I'm sorry, but I was hoping for an answer that involved using the talk page, especially since you cite WP:BRD below. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:22, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Ritchie333: Ok. I bolded discuss anyways below in my message to Nick. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 15:54, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
  • If somebody else thought of editing in the same topic areas that you have, what policies and guidelines do you think they should read. Can you provide some links to the most suitable ones?

@Ritchie333:

If you answer those well, I think your chances of being unblocked will be greatly improved. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 10:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I would very much like the see responses to the above questions, and a bit more of a statement from you David about your behaviour, what policies you believe you've read, where you've breached them, where you think you could improve and so on. Nick (talk) 10:58, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Nick: I've been focusing on the policies and guidelines that I described above. I think that its most important that I discuss before I make decisions even if I'm impatient as they might very well turn into fulfilled contra productive tasks otherwise. I've written several personal notes how I can achieve them. I'm used to work alone but Wikipedia is a community that can be to a great benefit if I learn how to interact with it. I wish to make an apology to the ANI board too. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 13:30, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

There's lots of clean-up still needed after your totally careless editing, David. On Talk:Alcohol (drug) there's a proposal to try to restore the content from other articles that you moved there, and then messed up, and then nominate what's left for deletion. Which will probably involve going through all of your thousands of edits to see where you moved content from, so that all articles you deleted content on can be restored to what they once were. This is a collaborative project, David, not a place where you can do whatever you want, without caring about other editors, or even caring about the project. Thomas.W talk 13:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm going to leave this unblock pending for a while, to see if more people wish to comment, specifically on any unblock conditions they feel should be imposted and any enforcement actions they think necessary. If I do decide to unblock you, it will likely require some conditions concerning your editing and would definitely be on the basis that any further disruptive alcohol/drug/pharmaceutical related edits (of the sort you conducted before) would result in you being re-blocked, with a minimum period of 3 to 6 months before an unblock will be considered. Nick (talk) 13:56, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Thomas.W: Congratulations Thomas, no one have accused me, exaggerated situations, or been as aggressive as you are. Please write to me in your Talk page so I don't have to be reminded of you everyday I'm going to read how to manage this situation. I find it very hard to talk with hateful people and I feel that you master that pretty well. Thanks in advance. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 13:58, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@Nick: I'd suggest an unblock on the simple condition that David restrict his editing on alcohol-related topics, broadly construed, to other than article pages (including - no editing of his userspace draft). In other words, editing talk pages, Article for Deletion pages, AN/I, on that broad topic is ok - articles are not. Additionally, he should not move his userspace draft of the main article in question to any talk pages for editing. I think David means well and can get past this current situation - let's work with him. JoeSperrazza (talk) 14:11, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Will he be asked to take part in any of the recovery work that is listed on the talk page of Alcohol (drug)? Or will that be left for the rest of us to clean up? I have yet to see any indication from him that he understands what a mess he has made, or that he has any intention of cleaning any of it up. And I seriously doubt that he will accept or be able to live with a requirement that he not make any edits in alcohol-related articles. --MelanieN (talk) 19:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Alternative psychoactive alcohol use for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Alternative psychoactive alcohol use is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Entheogens[edit]

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Nomination of Methanol outbreaks for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Methanol outbreaks is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Methanol outbreaks until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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User space article of Alcohol (drug)[edit]

@Amatulic: My final saying about User:David Hedlund/Alcohol (drug), please mention it in Talk:Alcohol (drug). I will have a wikibreak for 1 month and read Wikipedia policys meanwhile. I wish to thank you for your great support. Also, I seeking an adoption. Are you willing to help me? Best regards and happy summer. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 18:20, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@David Hedlund: I made mention of User:David Hedlund/Alcohol (drug) on the talk page. JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
@JoeSperrazza: Face-smile.svg Thank you Its not particular easy to see it but hopefully it make some sense.--David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 19:06, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of List of people who have had an alter ego for deletion[edit]

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New subsection with improper citations moved here[edit]

The following subsection: (1) contains improperly formatted citations, (2) uses bare URLs to link to pubmed entries, and (3) those entries, once traced, are unacceptable primary sources, from old literature, and so constitute WP:OR in their selection and inclusion. Before reintroducing this text, first, find reputable secondary sources, to be sure the result you are presenting reflects the preponderance of scholarly scientific opinion (and not your opinion, as proof texted, by finding a stray primary source that agrees with you). Then, if you find such sources, two further steps: first, make sure that this is the right article, and the right place in the article to place the text (preferably, given the disruptive nature of your very aggressive editing, by raising the possible change here in Talk, before you add it); and second, by not making the edit until you have time to include a proper, full scientific citation for the secondary source (not a link to Pubmed, and NOT a bare URL). You are trying to run before you have learned to walk. Stop creating large tracts of poor text—poorly considered, poorly formatted, poorly copyedited, poorly cited. Have a more senior real-world colleague in the sciences review what you write, so you also can stop creating large blocks of text that demand English copyediting This is not good for WP: You are making messes, and not contributing as a solid editor.

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SECTION Human metabolites

Studies have found trace quantities of endogenous alcohols of healthy volunteers from exhaled breath with a mean of 450 ppb methanol REF http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16705261 CLOSE REF and 244 ppb ethanol.REF http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16312013 CLOSE REF The mean endogenous methanol in humans of 0.45 g/d may be metabolized from pectin found in fruit; One kilos of apple produces up to 1.4 gram methanol.REF http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9267548 CLOSE REF However, methanol should never consumed on its own as it is poisonous to the central nervous system, and may cause blindness, coma, and death. These studies are not guidelines that consumption of alcohol found in alcoholic beverages are healthy.

See also notes from me and another editor in the Edit history at alcohol (drug), and at that Talk section. Your editing is becoming a pervasive problem, however well meaning. Slow down, do a little of high quality, not a lot of poor quality research, writing, citing, and placing. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 11:58, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@Leprof 7272: I agree with you that I try to run before I can walk. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 18:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
@Amatulic: I asked for an unblock so I could revert my own edits but was denied. However, I want to return something back to all the people who cleaned up for me when I get unblocked. I only meant well from the very begining. Do not hesitate to give me tasks for your own interests later and I'll do my best to help you. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 18:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)
@Amatulic, Leprof 7272: I'm a wikipedian who seeks adoption. I would appreciate if someone of you guys would like to do that as I trust you, think you are humble, and I'm interested to learn how to write encyclopedic material. I'm also trying my best right not how to interact with the community better. --David Hedlund SWE (Talk) 18:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Comparison of specific absorption rate for smartphones[edit]

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Nomination for deletion of Template:Pharmacology of ethanol[edit]

Ambox warning blue.svgTemplate:Pharmacology of ethanol has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:51, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Substituted alcohols[edit]

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The article Substituted alcohols has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

No reason for this article to exist. It's not even clear what it's meant to be about - what distinguishes a a "substituted alcohol" from other alcohols?

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Medical Translation Newsletter[edit]


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Wikiproject Medicine; Translation Taskforce

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Medical Translation Newsletter
Issue 1, June/July 2014
by CFCF, Doc James

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This is the first of a series of newsletters for Wikiproject Medicine's Translation Task Force. Our goal is to make all the medical knowledge on Wikipedia available to the world, in the language of your choice.

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Spotlight - Simplified article translation


Wikiproject Medicine started translating simplified articles in February 2014. We now have 45 simplified articles ready for translation, of which the first on African trypanosomiasis or sleeping sickness has been translated into 46 out of ~100 languages. This list does not include the 33 additional articles that are available in both full and simple versions.

Our goal is to eventually translate 1,000 simplified articles. This includes:

We are looking for subject area leads to both create articles and recruit further editors. We need people with basic medical knowledge who are willing to help out. This includes to write, translate and especially integrate medical articles.

What's happening?


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CFCF - "IEG beneficiary" and editor of this newsletter.

I've (CFCF) taken on the role of community organizer for this project, and will be working with this until December. The goals and timeline can be found here, and are focused on getting the project on a firm footing and to enable me to work near full-time over the summer, and part-time during the rest of the year. This means I will be available for questions and ideas, and you can best reach me by mail or on my talk page.

Wikimania 2014

For those going to London in a month's time (or those already nearby) there will be at least one event for all medical editors, on Thursday August 7th. See the event page, which also summarizes medicine-related presentations in the main conference. Please pass the word on to your local medical editors.

Integration progress

There has previously been some resistance against translation into certain languages with strong Wikipedia presence, such as Dutch, Polish, and Swedish.
What was found is that thre is hardly any negative opinion about the the project itself; and any such critique has focused on the ways that articles have being integrated. For an article to be usefully translated into a target-Wiki it needs to be properly Wiki-linked, carry proper citations and use the formatting of the chosen target language as well as being properly proof-read. Certain large Wikis such as the Polish and Dutch Wikis have strong traditions of medical content, with their own editorial system, own templates and different ideas about what constitutes a good medical article. For example, there are not MEDRS (Polish,German,Romanian,Persian) guidelines present on other Wikis, and some Wikis have a stronger background of country-specific content.

  • Swedish
    Translation into Swedish has been difficult in part because of the amount of free, high quality sources out there already: patient info, for professionals. The same can be said for English, but has really given us all the more reason to try and create an unbiased and free encyclopedia of medical content. We want Wikipedia to act as an alternative to commercial sources, and preferably a really good one at that.
    Through extensive collaborative work and by respecting links and Sweden specific content the last unintegrated Swedish translation went live in May.
  • Dutch
    Dutch translation carries with it special difficulties, in part due to the premises in which the Dutch Wikipedia is built upon. There is great respect for what previous editors have created, and deleting or replacing old content can be frowned upon. In spite of this there are success stories: Anafylaxie.
  • Polish
    Translation and integration into Polish also comes with its own unique set of challenges. The Polish Wikipedia has long been independent and works very hard to create high quality contentfor Polish audience. Previous translation trouble has lead to use of unique templates with unique formatting, not least among citations. Add to this that the Polish Wikipedia does not allow template redirects and a large body of work is required for each article.
    (This is somewhat alleviated by a commissioned Template bot - to be released). - List of articles for integration
  • Arabic
    The Arabic Wikipedia community has been informed of the efforts to integrate content through both the general talk-page as well as through one of the major Arabic Wikipedia facebook-groups: مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربي, something that has been heralded with great enthusiasm.
Integration guides

Integration is the next step after any translation. Despite this it is by no means trivial, and it comes with its own hardships and challenges. Previously each new integrator has needed to dive into the fray with little help from previous integrations. Therefore we are creating guides for specific Wikis that make integration simple and straightforward, with guides for specific languages, and for integrating on small Wikis.

Instructions on how to integrate an article may be found here [10]

News in short


To come
  • Medical editor census - Medical editors on different Wikis have been without proper means of communication. A preliminary list of projects is available here.
  • Proofreading drives

Further reading



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Synthetic cannabis[edit]

It looks like on your last edit you never finished a sentence. I removed the fragment for now but wanted to notify you in case you wanted to change it or add to it.MartinezMD (talk) 18:07, 24 July 2014 (UTC)