User talk:Dazedbythebell

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{{help me}} There is a conflict on the Meher Baba page. An unregistered user, apparently using different computers in a single location, continues to replace an external link with a Persian language website.

See page history. Also see relevant discussion.

All the user's IP addresses begin with 117:199...

I don't know how to approach the problem. Please help. Thank you. Dazedbythebell (talk) 16:12, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

IP range blocked for 24 hours. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 17:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Dazedbythebell (talk) 19:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to ask for help twice

{{helpme}} I'm sorry to ask for help again, but for the last few days there is a very disruptive editor, Liam.jones, on the Meher Baba article. Three editors, including 2 very expeienced ones, have tried to work with him. He has a history of such behavior on the article, interspersed with long periods of inactivity. He has edited under numerous names in the past. See Old Sockpuppet Investigation here. Also see my most recent comment here

The whole issue begins in this section.

I have to point to particular sections because the editor adds so much to the discussion page that the issues can't even be followed clearly. I don't know if that's his intention. He only edits on the Meher Baba article and no other. Please help. Editors no longer know what to do. Dazedbythebell (talk) 14:57, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Hi there.

I have looked into this a little, but I am not able to come to any conclusions without spending a lot of time investigating. I therefore feel that this matter would be best dealt with by following the dispute resolution process. At this stage, the most appropriate action is perhaps to copy your question, as above, to Wikipedia:Wikiquette alerts. If, however, you feel that more urgent administrator intervention is required, then please use the Administrators' noticeboard. Sorry I can't help more directly, but I hope that this points you in the right direction; if you do have further questions, please use a further "helpme".  Chzz  ►  17:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Chzz. Dazedbythebell (talk) 20:34, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

He's headed for a block. I just sent him an e-mail regarding some highly inappropriate comments he posted across multiple pages; now that he's been warned, if he so much as looks at someone the wrong way, let me know and I won't hesitate to block him. rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 01:18, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much Rjanag. I will watch things closely and let you know how it goes. Thanks again. Dazedbythebell (talk) 14:29, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Request

Please keep discussions on topic, I really can't see why you needed to post these links into Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin R. D. Shepherd. I'd recommend that you strike through them as they seem to show that you are trying to push an agenda in the discussion. This is unnecessary when it already looks as if there is not enough secondary coverage to merit the article. Smartse (talk) 23:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry if it looked that way. What happened is I went to try to find out if Shepherd has some credentials, etc. But quickly came to those. The point is that Shepherd doesn't seem to be a notable academic at all. I also believe those editors are either him or meat puppets. The only proof given that they aren't is Shepherd's word for it on his own website. That is circular reasoning, isn't it? Anyway I have now removed the links. Dazedbythebell (talk) 23:22, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Your points may well be true but adding links to sites that slag him off don't really help in the discussion. I'm assuming good faith on the COI and puppets ideas for the moment. Thanks for removing the links. Smartse (talk) 23:40, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

I could see your point and that's why I removed them. I was, like you said, getting off topic. The nomination is for deletion due to notability, and those links diverted attention from that topic. What I meant to show was that he isn't a notable scholar, but it came off like I was just slagging him for some personal thing. Dazedbythebell (talk) 23:45, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

File Deletion Process

Did I do my deletion request properly at this page? I had listed it for speedy deletion but another editor removed my tag. So I am trying to put it up for discussion. This is an obvious rip of a picture that has now been added to Commons by the original photographer David Bradley and the his licensed version has since been added to the article where the old one was. Dazedbythebell (talk) 20:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, the image is certainly deletable as a replaceable fair use image; I have modified the reason to reflect this. Robert Skyhawk ^{(T C B)} 20:39, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Dazedbythebell (talk) 20:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Tagging for deletion due to duplicate on Wikimedia Commons

How do I tag ths picture to be deleted since there is this picture now? Dazedbythebell (talk) 14:58, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I've tagged it for you, but for future reference you add a tag to the image you want deleted which reads {{db-nowcommons|1=address of the Commons file}} Ironholds (talk) 15:02, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Help with Gabriel Pascal page

{{help}} Hello, I need help with this page discussion as an editor is approaching an edit war and I can't do anything else. We need either arbitration or a block. Maybe I'm wrong. But his 1970 autobiography, "The Disciple and His Devil" McGraw Hill says he was Hungarian born in Hungary. It was the Austro-Hungarian Empire in 1894 when he was born. By the time of his obituary the map had been redrawn. But it does not follow he was born in Romania. I included a map of the region from the time of his birth to try to explain it. If we change where people were born each time a boarder changes then you have very strange records of birth. You have to stick with the birth year. We can't change biographies with each change of the map. I don't know how to explain it. The editor who is not a registered user shows he is a citizen of Romania when you do an IP search and thus might have a bias to want him to be Romanian for national pride. And indeed after WWII he was often referred to as a Romanian director, in line with the newly drawn map of that time. But he and his wife (like Ja Ja Gabor who was their friend) always said they were born in Hungary and were Hungarian. Dazedbythebell (talk) 02:40, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't see anything approaching an edit-war at this stage; it looks like they decided to get a user account, and since then, have entered into the discussion on the talk page.

I will leave the new user a bit of a note;

Please continue the discussion towards consensus on the talk page. If another user does insist on forcing the change, then we could consider appropriate warnings perhaps, but most importantly, please remember that it takes two people to make an edit-war.

Therefore, even if it is changed again, consider leaving it, while discussions take place. Once an agreed consensus forms, change it back, referring to the agreement.

If you have trouble reaching consensus, seek a third opinion, or consider other options; see WP:DISCUSS. Best,  Chzz  ►  03:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Moving a page

{{help}} Hello, how do you move a page to where there is already a Redirect? I know you are not suppose to just copy paste. Dazedbythebell (talk) 13:13, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Tag the page with {{db-move|1=<ARTICLE TO BE MOVED HERE>|2=<REASON WHY THE PAGE SHOULD BE MOVED>}} and an admin will review the request, delete the redirect and move the page. Regards SoWhy 13:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

To learn more, read Help:Moving_a_page. If you need further help, feel free to request it again. --Lexein (talk) 13:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

I still have one question. Where do I insert that tag given above for moving? On the Redirect Page or the Page to Move over the Redirect? I ask because it says "Page to move here" so I am assuming that means you put it on the Redirect Page, but wanted to be sure. It seems strange to put it on the Redirect Page that has the proper name to use. Dazedbythebell (talk) 20:29, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you put it on the page you want to move to, i.e on the existing redirect page. 79.123.72.44 (talk) 20:31, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Trivia section

Yes, I was thinking of doing exactly what you did, but left it for you to decide. Trivia sections are no more advisable, so integrating the info is best. Cheers. Hoverfish Talk 17:32, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think it's in fact an improvement. The trivia has been there long enough so that most who are interested in her can pass it on. And it all lives in the page history. I think the editor had a point that much of it was too trivial. Dazedbythebell (talk) 22:29, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Tajuddin

Thanks for the reference.--Nemonoman (talk) 16:18, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. Dazedbythebell (talk) 21:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Saint infobox

The Saint infobox should be on the Hazrat Babajan; she was recognized as a saint by her followers and therefore it should be included.--Imadjafar (talk) 09:07, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

According to herself she was not a saint. Her followers recognized her as a satguru. This is not a saint, although its implications are not acceptable by the Moslems. As far as I am concerned, a saint is as different from a God-realized person as the moon is from the sun. Hoverfish Talk 13:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Saint Francis of Assisi
Mystic, Confessor, and Founder
Born	1181/1182 Papal States
Died	3 October 1226 (age 44-45) Assisi, Papal States
Honored in	Catholic Church, Anglican Communion, Lutheran Church
Canonized	July 16, 1228, Assisi by Pope Gregory IX
Major shrine	Basilica of San Francesco d'Assisi
Feast	October 4
Attributes	Cross, Dove, birds, animals, wolf at feet, Pax et Bonum, Poor Franciscan habit, Stigmata, Tau Cross ("T-shaped")
Patronage	animals; the environment; Italy; merchants; stowaways

In addition Imadjafar, the use of a particular template is not a policy by Wikipedia. Editors use the template that best meets the needs of the article. Consider for instance the infoboxes on the articles about Meher Baba, Hazrat Tajuddin Baba, Upasni Maharaj, and Sai Baba of Shirdi, all of which use the philosopher template, even though none of these persons are referred to as philosophers. It simply is that the design of the template is at this time in the evolution of Wikipedia most apropos for these Eastern mystic figures. In fact the guru Osho uses the Infobox for an Artist. It is the layout of the template as it appears to the general reader, and not the name of the infobox itself that is important. These infoboxes are merely designed by volunteer editors. There is no policy over their use, only that one use common sense in choosing one that conveys the information best on the front page. The "Saint" infobox, at this time, is not appropriate to many Eastern figures that fall into the religion category. It appears more designed for Western Catholic saints. Consider how it appears for Saint Francis (on the right). Note that its references to Catholic ideas such as canonization don't apply to Eastern spiritual figures. This is why in the case of non-Catholic mystics and masters, Artist and Philosopher infoboxes have been used. In the case of Hazrat Babajan there is no appropriate Islamic template either, as you can see here: Islamic Infoboxes. It is because of this that other infoboxes are utilized to improve the articles. Dazedbythebell (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Meher Baba

The page Meher Baba is being vandalized by users like ConcernedVancouverite. The page is being edited with statements such as Cult Leader - which was never indicated or stated by Meher Baba himself.

(Dragonbooster4 (talk) 17:59, 9 August 2011 (UTC)).

This is all your doing, Dragonbooster. I tried to warn you kindly. Hoverfish Talk 18:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your many recent efforts

Busy, busy, busy! --Nemonoman (talk) 21:27, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Avatar

Kindly see the talk page of the article, and please explain why you reverted my removal of Hindi from the first line of the article.117.214.21.28 (talk) 14:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Participating consciousness

I just thought I'd let you know that I saw your article Participating consciousness in the New Articles list-- The content seems pretty substantial.It would be great if you could also add references to the related article Mental fact. Jipinghe (talk) 01:28, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jiginghe, I started this article for the sake of a friend who knows more about this than me, who is new to Wikipedia. I will pass this on to her. Thanks. Dazedbythebell (talk) 15:04, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Need Help

I have an image of myself I put on Wikipedia a few years ago, and I feel it is an embarassment. What would be the procedure for me to ask for it to be speedy-deleted. It is also an orphaned image, and has no function, and is not in Commons. The Picture is here. I must have been out of my mind. Dazedbythebell (talk) 19:32, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Hello. There are a few steps you can take to delete this image, some more preferred than others:

• The guide itself for deleting images is here.
• If you want the image in its current state to go away immediately, just overwrite the image by creating a different picture (say just a random square or something) and save it as the file name of the image you don't want as on wikipedia. Then upload the image as the same name as the image you don't want, and it should be overwritten.
• Alternatively (or after you've done that), nominate the file at images for deletion and say that you're the uploader and you don't want the file anymore. I'm not sure you can get it speedy deleted unless it's a copyright violation or corrupt.

Hope this helps, just ask for any more info, sorry if any of this is a bit vague. Merry Christmas --andy4789 ★ · (talk? contribs?) ^Merry_Xmas! 15:55, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

I need help knowing how to propose a page for deletion.

The page I want to propose for deletion is Meher Baba and Paul Brunton because it is an article about two people, a reporter jounalist and a guru, who barely met once. It should be merged with either Meher Baba or Paul Brunton, or a bit of both if liked, which is only logical. How do I go about proposing it from deletion? The author does not want to merge it. Dazedbythebell (talk) 21:48, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Did you want the article deleted or merged? If the latter, you've already proposed it. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 04:08, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

You may wish to have a read of WP:AFD - it explains how to delete, and also ways to change an article rather than delete.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 16:21, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

19maxx (talk) 24:00, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

If you wish to propose a page for deletion use this tag {{subst:prod|reason}} replacing "reason" with the reason for deletion

Help with photo deletion due to being orphan

Apparently I am utterly confused and getting nowhere after quite some time, and this is my second request for help. There is a picture at Chris_Ott_cafe.jpg which is orphaned. Actually it is of me. I would like it removed as it is orphaned and has always been so. However, a bot named User:Fbot says it is no longer orphaned. I am utterly confused. There is no article that has it. Please help! I tried to do exactly what the last administrator told me, and it did not work. See two sections up. Thank you.Dazedbythebell (talk) 16:14, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at the text of the {{Orphan image}} template. It's trying to say "Look everyone - here is a free-use image, but it's not being used. Someone needs to decide whether it is useful". You solved the problem by adding the deletion notice - the image is not a useful one and should be deleted. The bot responded by removing the attention-grabbing {{Orphan image}} template. Does that make sense? It took me a while to work it out...

I don't think you need to worry about it, though, because the way the discussion is going, the file will be deleted once the 7-day discussion period is over. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:53, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Some diffs of interest

In these diffs of 2006/07 1 2 a refernence to Hypocrisy and Dissent within the Findhorn Foundation: Towards a Sociology of a New Age Community by "Castro, Stephen" was inserted by User:The Communicator. The same user, has been active in Holotropic Breathwork since 2006 3 where he has inserted references to "Stephen Castro"'s book and to Kevin Shepherd (an "independent philosopher"). And BTW, in 2010, while in Paris, someone decided to give "some privacy" to Kevin Shepherd's Afd 4 and blanked the archived discussion, because "some quite nasty things were discussed in this AfD". Also please notice that User:Simon Kidd has been inserting refs to K.Shepherd all over. Hoverfish Talk 01:27, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

(Attempted outing redacted 19:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)) I have edited on many other things too, such as Wim Wenders as you know. Best wishes. Dazedbythebell (talk) 16:11, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know, the "someone" who blanked it was me when I wasn't logged in - sorry about that - I still think it is best to blank it as a courtesy but I'm not overly bothered. (I was in Bordeaux btw, not Paris :) ) SmartSE (talk) 23:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for misjudging. I am simply trying to figure it all out. Since you know this to be the proper thing to do, I have no objection with the blanking. Hoverfish Talk 00:34, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Hoverfish, there is a detailed history of Wikipedia discussion relating to Kevin Shepherd on the latter's own website: http://www.citizenphilosophy.net/Wikipedia_Anomalies.html. This may help to fill in many of the blanks for you. Simon Kidd (talk) 00:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

No problem - I should have been signed in! SmartSE (talk) 01:19, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Hoverfish, there is also a lengthy article here: http://www.citizeninitiative.com/sathya_sai_and_wikipedia.htm. Simon Kidd (talk) 02:22, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping me informed, Simon Kidd. Still I do not think that using Wikipedia is the best way to promote Kevin Shepherd as a writer. Hoverfish Talk 09:14, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I am not trying "to promote Kevin Shepherd as a writer". I often (but not exclusively) edit articles on topics that he, among others, has published books on. Simple as that. Simon Kidd (talk) 09:50, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

January 2012

Do not add personal information about other contributors to Wikipedia. Wikipedia operates on the principle that every contributor has the right to remain completely anonymous. Posting personal information about a user is strictly prohibited under Wikipedia's harassment policy. Wikipedia policy on this issue is strictly enforced and your edits have been reverted or removed, not least because such information can appear on web searches. Wikipedia's privacy policy is there to protect the privacy of every user, including you. Persistently adding personal information about other contributors may result in you being blocked from editing. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:47, 8 January 2012 (UTC)