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Nice to see your name...[edit]

When I saw you'd done some editing (in my watchlist) I smiled to myself. Hope all is well...  ;) A Sniper (talk) 08:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Did you get the book? I sent one I thought you'd like to your work address. All the best, :) A Sniper (talk) 20:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I will have to check - it has actually been a while since I looked at my work email box. Thanks for that - I will let you know. --Descartes1979 (talk) 20:39, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Note: this was a real world book sent to your real world office, to your attention, via the post. Hope the grad school thing is coming together & that life in general is good. A Sniper (talk) 20:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Oops I meant "mail box" - the "e" slipped in there on accident - anyway I understood what you were saying. Grad school: 2 applications in, three to go - shotgun approach - so hopefully I get into one of them :).--Descartes1979 (talk) 03:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
Hey! The company I used to send the book claim it was 'lost in the mail' and gave me a refund. I've now used another and it should arrive within the week...Hope the grad school apps bear fruit. :) A Sniper (talk) 17:09, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

List of Publications Critical of Mormonism[edit]

Thanks for the note on my talk page. I actually don't even remember doing that, but if Wikipedia says it then it must be true. Probably it was part of the "Anti-Mormonism" article and I wanted to delete it, but couldn't bring myself to annihilate someone else's work entirely, so gave it its own list. In any case, I'm not invested in it. You can certainly do what you please with it, including deleting it.CaliforniaKid (talk) 07:18, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Request for proofreading[edit]

Hi! You're listed in Category:Proofreaders_es-en and as a near-native speaker of Spanish in Category:User_es-4, although you don't seem to have the userboxes (any more?). Could I persuade you to check a translation for me? It's a short excerpt from Lope de Vega's Isidoro de Madrid, in Homo unius libri#Interpretations. My translation is in the footnote. The language is a little archaic, and it's in verse, so this was a challenge for me and I could use your input (especially for the line «como van dejando atrás», which I translated to maintain the meter rather than literally). Thanks, if you're willing to help! - Unconventional (talk) 20:32, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


Simple Inquiry[edit]

Howdy! So obviously I've seen you presence around Wiki since we both seem to be watching the same articles. I was wondering to myself earlier though, so I figured I'd read you own page. And I came upon a question that I figured can only be answered by you since making assumptions usually ends up wrong. Your statement "I was a Mormon most of my life (though no longer practicing)" is what brought this about. So here's my question(s), and please, if I'm stepping on toes feel free to shoot me in the foot. Do you still consider yourself Mormon, or do you consider yourself a former Mormon? And as such (either/or) what is your position/take on Mormonism (a term I've come to dislike)? As I stated on my reply to the talk page of the article I proposed a change to (linguistics of BoM), I may not reply as speedily as normal due to outside circumstances...but I will reply nonetheless. Infero Veritas (talk) 16:33, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It is in your capable hands[edit]

Descartes, West Ridge is now in your hands. It is boggling to work with an editor that is on the outside of reality looking in. I think Doyle will have more confidence that you are neutral than me. I will step back and let you handle him for a while. If you could help him understand the arbitration process and when it is appropriate, it would be helpful. I am confident that Doyle would not like the process should they shock me and accept to participate. Good luck. --StormRider 19:25, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree - there is no way this is going to arbitration - but I will do what I can. At the end of the day, I think this is a lot of hubbub for a pretty minor article and some pretty obscure "controversy". I will do what I can (though I might tire of this article as well...)--Descartes1979 (talk) 19:28, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
I just saw your archive and had to laugh out loud; I could almost see the frustration with all the kibbitzing back and forth; hands go up in the air and dumped to the archive it goes. I commend you for your effort and I think it was probably a good choice. It will help everyone breath. I couldn't stay away...work was not demanding and I had too much time on my hands. Thank you for sticking with it.--StormRider 03:06, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
Lol - thanks Storm, I chuckled a bit myself when I did it :). Btw, I know we don't always see eye to eye on Mormon topics, but it is nice to have another established editor around who knows the standard processes - especially when we are dealing with such extreme voices on both sides of the debate on this particular topic. Oh and that is not an admission that I will always back you up by the way - lol. --Descartes1979 (talk) 03:12, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you both for your assistance. I could certainly use some advice at this point and have done all I can to avoid edits and let you two make the edits, do what you feel is best. This little, tiny article is not worthy such outrageous hours of attention. Just when things had calmed down, we are right back where we started from and a large majority of issues have been freight-trained again. I really am not motivated to spend another 40 hours on this 400 word article. How do we arbitrate this, or even just shut it down. It is a productivity killer and frankly not worth it! As you said, a lot of hubub for minor article. I have done all I can to follow your lead and instructions and have left the editing to you. I don't want your agreement or even support - just instruction on how to cease this great sucker of time and energy. Any help would be appreciated. If there is no solution for getting this one back on track, even to where we were this morning, just tell me and I will cease trying. Thanks again for any recommendations or assistance or education. DoonRay (talk) 23:34, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

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Barnstar !!![edit]

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Proposed deletion of Jeff Lindsay (engineer)[edit]

I have removed the prod tag you placed on Jeff Lindsay (engineer) because the article was discussed at AfD with a consensus to keep in July 2006, and is therefore permanently ineligible for prod. Compliance with policy/procedure is the only reason I did this; I have no prejudice against opening another AfD. —KuyaBriBriTalk 20:07, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Understood - thanks. --Descartes1979 (talk) 20:09, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Archaeology and the Book of Mormon[edit]

I have a suspicion that User:Kovesh and User:Onondaga are socks one of the other. If you look at their contributions they are exactly parallel. --Taivo (talk) 00:32, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

I have also suspected that - but I don't know how to prove it, or the appropriate process for reporting and investigating it?--Descartes1979 (talk) 02:45, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I initiated a report here. This is the first time I've submitted one, so I don't know how automated the process is after posting. --Taivo (talk) 03:14, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

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John Gee[edit]

Hi! I've declined your PROD on John Gee, but I would suggest you consider listing it at Articles for Deletion, and better grounding your rationale in references to Wikipedia policy. I think there's an entirely fair question as to whether Gee is notable under WP:SCHOLAR, for example, and "signficant coverage" is a nuanced term with regard to the general notability guideline WP:GNG, but my reaction (that is, my sense that there is a good question there) is based on a cursory read of the article and sources, not a careful analysis. Good luck! --je deckertalk 02:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough - thanks!--Descartes1979 (talk) 03:01, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion[edit]

As the creator of one or more or the article involved in this merge discussion I thought you should be informed about the discussion.--ARTEST4ECHO (talk/contribs) 16:03, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Thx - I added my comments. I say go for the merge if you think that is what is best. --Descartes1979 (talk) 19:23, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Duke53[edit]

His page is still on my watch-list, and I saw your comment. Would it be worth taking that off-wiki issue to WP:ANI? I don't know if anything can be done, but maybe the admins ought to be made aware of it. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 23:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

proflowers[edit]

they where paid a premium amount for a delievery they botched for my mothers funeral. my brothers girlfriend was in tears over her flowers being the only one not there,proflowers sent a EMAIL!! at 1230 when the funeral started at 1pm,the funeral directors were on the phone trying to get a rep and they were not available.

she spent $200 for a flower arrangement and got zilch... how is that unsubstantiated??? do you need a invoice copy????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anitasmalling (talkcontribs) 04:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Don't matter dude - Wikipedia is not a place for personal beefs. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience - but your claims can't be substantiated by an independent source, and are not notable for inclusion in an encyclopedia, and your edits are considered vandalism according to WP standards. You will be blocked if you keep this up. --Descartes1979 (talk) 07:12, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

so get off your high horse and LOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you can claim this and that all you want but it is you! that can not prove a dang thing.report all you want as i can do the same ,i can also create a 100 email accounts too.vandalism??? please..you have no clue what vadalism is ,you can edit anything you want huh?? ok then try and edit the page i will create and bash proflowers for desecrating a funeral....

protect the villain and pound the victim???????????????????? that must be your way... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anitasmalling (talkcontribs) 23:42, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Dude seriously - take a chill pill. Wikipedia is an ENCYCLOPEDIA. Not the Better Business Bureau. Nor is this, or will it ever be, a place for revenge. If you have an independent newspaper article or report about how awful Proflowers is because of your funeral fiasco, then that is great - that is an independent source and we can include that information. If all you have is your word - sorry but that is not good enough. Raise hell with ProFlowers or the BBB, or the state government for all I care. Don't try to muck up an encyclopedia with such an obviously extremely minor incident. --Descartes1979 (talk) 02:13, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

COI and AFD[edit]

Coming from the opposite side of the fence, I respect that you removed your vote here. On the other hand, I don't think you need to; AFD is a perfect place to discuss something even with a COI. I admire that you are able to discuss topics from an objective point of view. Because of that, I'm curious what your opinion of this AFD is; I don't care if you !vote for or against, I just would appreciate your opinion. tedder (talk) 17:59, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I guess I removed my vote not only because I felt like I had a COI, but honestly I am not quite sure what I think about it. It is easy for me to say Strong Keep if I have my nose in the article all day, but when I step back I am not so sure. The thing is - I often find myself perusing these mormon vs. science type articles and trying to add some balance to them because left untouched and unscrutinized, they almost always end up uncritical missionary tracts for the LDS church - with no skeptical balance whatsoever. I have seen it happen a bunch of times at Book of Abraham, Linguistics and the Book of Mormon, and Archaeology and the Book of Mormon, and Genetics and the Book of Mormon. But ultimately - if I was god of the Wikipedia - I would have all of this information much more concise and intertwined within the main Book of Mormon page itself - because ultimately these other pages started as POV forks, and ended up being "teach the controversy" pieces. I do think the Wikipedia is better that they exist - because they have become incredibly thorough because of the friction between critics and faithful Mormons. So what is the answer? I don't know. As a side note - I already weighed in on the AFD you mentioned, you probably didn't notice - see [1]--Descartes1979 (talk) 23:25, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Indeed, having a lot of articles is effectively a content fork- it gives the limited number of wikipedians who are remotely interested in the topic of Mormonism 40 acres and a mule of their very own, which nets a worse 'pedia. On the other hand, by the policy, they could merit their own article. It's hard to balance that. On the AFD- oops, I didn't think you had weighed in, but obviously you had. Sigh. I'll listen to a few of their podcasts, but that doesn't have any bearing on my opinion of its encyclopedic merit. tedder (talk) 23:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Welcome Back![edit]

Thanks for the hello! I had been meaning to reply for some time but never managed to. Glad to have you back editing again - hope you're well in the real world, etc. You will only see me occasionally fix a vandalism at the JSJr. page or one of the historical articles, as I'm not concentrating on that topic much these days. At the JSJr. page I mostly act as guardian of the small Emma Smith section towards the bottom, and also contribute when I can to JSIII and various reorganization pages. In any case, all the best & keep in touch. Best, A Sniper (talk) 09:23, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Thanks for the info! --Descartes1979 (talk) 17:00, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

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