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Revert[edit]

Hello Diego Moya,

I'm interested in the revert you carried out on the page Heterosexuality after Flyer22 became agitated. You reverted it citing 'peacock language' though I cannot see how fact can be interpreted as such.

On the edit history page Flyer22 kindly gave me a link which supported my edit, yet continued to rail against it. The method of argument by that particular user is most odd and contradictory, I don't think I've ever encountered quite such a reaction since the Wiki started.

Further, Flyer22 claimed that I was "clearly confusing sexual behavior with sexual orientation and sexual identity, and haven't a clue as to what you are talking about." That neither claim could be further from the truth is academic, the page is entitled "Heterosexuality," not "Heterosexual Behavior," "Heterosexual Identity" nor "Heterosexual Orientation." Perhaps Flyer22 would be interested in starting pages with these specific titles to avoid the distress elicited by an edit of this more generalised page.


Kind regards, tcg3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tiredcleangate3 (talkcontribs) 11:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:TRUTH and Wikipedia:Exceptional claims require exceptional sources (it's not the same saying that Heterosexuality is a sexual orientation than qualifying it as "by far the most common" without solid reliable sources supporting that wording), and please discuss this topic-related matter at the article page instead of my talk page so that other editors may intervene. Diego (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft talk:Interactive Art and HCI[edit]

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Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. JMHamo (talk) 10:45, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft talk:List of Metaheuristics[edit]

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Let me clearly notify you of this before you once again support an argument on that talk page without merit; you will be blocked if this continues to happen. Dreadstar 22:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

A warning for what, again? I pray you to explain, what is this supposed to mean? Diego (talk) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Meaning if you use the talk page to attack the subject of the article without reliable sources to support your assertions then you will be blocked. Further unsourced attacks against the subject of the article will result in blocks, whether you are initiating the attack or supporting the unsourced attack. You'd best make sure that every attack on this subject is backed by an impeccable, WP:BLP compliant reliable source before you support and drag it out, or the initiatior and supporter(s) will be blocked. Period. If that isn't clear then I don't know what is. Dreadstar 01:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
And may I ask you to provide a link to the diff of what I wrote that you consider an unsourced attack? You know, so that I can understand what it is that you consider unacceptable behavior and on what basis it is supposed to be blockable. Diego (talk)
If you can't comprehend what I'm saying here, then I strongly recommend that you not edit that article or talk page again. Dreadstar 06:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
If you can't provide evidence of the rules that I broke, I strongly suggest that you refrain from making warnings based on your administrator capabilities without a solid basis. I want you now to quote or link the exact text of policy that I've broken that would merit a block, or to withdraw the warning. Admins are expected to follow the highest standards of behavior, and posting empty threats on a topic where you've been involved before is certainly exceeding your attributions, and I won't let it pass unless you can back it up with something more substantial than "In my opinion, your proposed change was not backed up by RSs". I was going to let the talk page discussion go without any more comment on my part until I saw your warning and accusations of making personal attacks toward the article's subject, something that I'm proud to avoid doing on purpose. Diego (talk) 12:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The warnings stand, the message here is to make certain you have seen and understand it, since you seem to be involved in many conversations on that article that are critical of the subject yet have no WP:RS to back them up. If you can start with reliable sources, then we won't have a problem. Dreadstar 15:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Tell you what, out of good faith, I've struck my warning here, I'm sure you'll follow RS and BLP in those articles and talk pages. And I'm sure you remember the incident from here and here, that's how I first became aware of you, when you restored a BLP vio I removed that talk page. It's been rev-deleted now.[115]. So yes, use great caution on BLP's. Dreadstar 16:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The RS for the change I proposed to make is the Kickstarter campaign page, a primary source which is reliable for the change I supported - saying that "5 videos were originally planned and later were expanded to 12". I'm baffled as to what is considered an attack or "criminal allegations" on a BLP nowadays, but I'm thankful that you reconsidered and retired the warning for this particular instance. Diego (talk) 17:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
A good move would be to take the source to the WP:RS/N board and ask about it instead of continuing to try and bang it out on the article's talk page - if it's not a RS, then repeating what it says over and over on the talk page isn't good, and may violate BLP. And we need to be careful of WP:PRIMARY when adding content from them to BLP's. Happy to retract the warning, definitely appears you have an earnest desire to do the right thing and I think you will. Dreadstar 17:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
By way of diffusing this, I think a lot of this conflict is based on misunderstanding. It was the anon who proposed[116][117] mentioning 12 videos based on Sarkeesian's own Kickstarter page. Among the various things wrong with the proposal, the insurmountable problem is that the source doesn't say the Kickstarter initially included 12 videos. Diego's initial comment wasn't especially clear, but what he proposed was using the same source to give the correct number of videos in the original campaign (5, expanded to 12 later).[118] This source and similar ones are in fact already used to cite the account at Tropes vs. Women in Video Games, and in fact it's used to cite an unrelated fact at Anita Sarkeesian already. The source is accurate, but it's a self-published primary source, so determining whether and how to use it is definitely something to hash out on the talk page. Unfortunately, the discussion got weighed down by the back-and-forth (partially based on another misunderstanding) and dealing with the further intransigent comments from the anon. Having interacted with Diego before, I don't believe he was defending the most disruptive parts of the anon's proposal in this case. As for the earlier restoration of BLP-violating material, my assumption is that it was a mistake Diego will take precaution never to repeat.--Cúchullain t/c 19:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks Cúchullain for the analysis, that is too my reading of what happened; the thread was derailed by the mutual aspersions of incivil behavior (of which I'm ashamed for being part), preventing any possibility of discussing the proposal on its own merits.

I can no longer read what the material said exactly, but I know my impressions at the time were certainly not that of an editor making accusations of illegal misconduct against Sarkeesian. It's common knowledge that Kickstarter doesn't consider its rewards as binding contracts, so I read the "crime" that the original poster accused her to make was that of disappointing her supporters - which, when seen in that light, I couldn't consider as defamation but a mere lament. Deletion of the whole thing seemed an over-reaction to me (and I can't re-assess my view now, which is what happens when discussion content is removed - all accountability is lost).

Since that talk page has a previous history of having comments removed without trace over disagreements (remember that, Cúchullain? ;-) we managed to solve our differences there), I was concerned that this unfortunate trend was resurfacing, thus my restoring of the thread.

Calm calls to provide RSs and avoid gossiping are acceptable, but the chilling effect that comes from that well-meaning attempt to avoid disruption is contributing to the rarefied atmosphere, rather than preventing it. Now, if only those warnings were issued to editors in both sides of the confrontation whenever an editor jumped to guess intentions (such as with the comments from Euchrid and Orangemike), so that we could perceive it as a *neutral* approach to maintain civility, not allowing snarky remarks at either side, that would be different.

I know that is tiresome to repeat the same things again and again, but the regulars also have a responsibility to maintain a good tone. I don't know, maybe a neutral F.A.Q. section could be benefitial so that we could point newcomers there as the first thing, so that they could have their first objections addressed. Diego (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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