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Tech News: 2014-31[edit]

08:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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Let me clearly notify you of this before you once again support an argument on that talk page without merit; you will be blocked if this continues to happen. Dreadstar 22:17, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

A warning for what, again? I pray you to explain, what is this supposed to mean? Diego (talk) 22:55, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Meaning if you use the talk page to attack the subject of the article without reliable sources to support your assertions then you will be blocked. Further unsourced attacks against the subject of the article will result in blocks, whether you are initiating the attack or supporting the unsourced attack. You'd best make sure that every attack on this subject is backed by an impeccable, WP:BLP compliant reliable source before you support and drag it out, or the initiatior and supporter(s) will be blocked. Period. If that isn't clear then I don't know what is. Dreadstar 01:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
And may I ask you to provide a link to the diff of what I wrote that you consider an unsourced attack? You know, so that I can understand what it is that you consider unacceptable behavior and on what basis it is supposed to be blockable. Diego (talk)
If you can't comprehend what I'm saying here, then I strongly recommend that you not edit that article or talk page again. Dreadstar 06:22, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
If you can't provide evidence of the rules that I broke, I strongly suggest that you refrain from making warnings based on your administrator capabilities without a solid basis. I want you now to quote or link the exact text of policy that I've broken that would merit a block, or to withdraw the warning. Admins are expected to follow the highest standards of behavior, and posting empty threats on a topic where you've been involved before is certainly exceeding your attributions, and I won't let it pass unless you can back it up with something more substantial than "In my opinion, your proposed change was not backed up by RSs". I was going to let the talk page discussion go without any more comment on my part until I saw your warning and accusations of making personal attacks toward the article's subject, something that I'm proud to avoid doing on purpose. Diego (talk) 12:27, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
The warnings stand, the message here is to make certain you have seen and understand it, since you seem to be involved in many conversations on that article that are critical of the subject yet have no WP:RS to back them up. If you can start with reliable sources, then we won't have a problem. Dreadstar 15:09, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Tell you what, out of good faith, I've struck my warning here, I'm sure you'll follow RS and BLP in those articles and talk pages. And I'm sure you remember the incident from here and here, that's how I first became aware of you, when you restored a BLP vio I removed that talk page. It's been rev-deleted now.[13]. So yes, use great caution on BLP's. Dreadstar 16:10, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

The RS for the change I proposed to make is the Kickstarter campaign page, a primary source which is reliable for the change I supported - saying that "5 videos were originally planned and later were expanded to 12". I'm baffled as to what is considered an attack or "criminal allegations" on a BLP nowadays, but I'm thankful that you reconsidered and retired the warning for this particular instance. Diego (talk) 17:20, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
A good move would be to take the source to the WP:RS/N board and ask about it instead of continuing to try and bang it out on the article's talk page - if it's not a RS, then repeating what it says over and over on the talk page isn't good, and may violate BLP. And we need to be careful of WP:PRIMARY when adding content from them to BLP's. Happy to retract the warning, definitely appears you have an earnest desire to do the right thing and I think you will. Dreadstar 17:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)
By way of diffusing this, I think a lot of this conflict is based on misunderstanding. It was the anon who proposed[14][15] mentioning 12 videos based on Sarkeesian's own Kickstarter page. Among the various things wrong with the proposal, the insurmountable problem is that the source doesn't say the Kickstarter initially included 12 videos. Diego's initial comment wasn't especially clear, but what he proposed was using the same source to give the correct number of videos in the original campaign (5, expanded to 12 later).[16] This source and similar ones are in fact already used to cite the account at Tropes vs. Women in Video Games, and in fact it's used to cite an unrelated fact at Anita Sarkeesian already. The source is accurate, but it's a self-published primary source, so determining whether and how to use it is definitely something to hash out on the talk page. Unfortunately, the discussion got weighed down by the back-and-forth (partially based on another misunderstanding) and dealing with the further intransigent comments from the anon. Having interacted with Diego before, I don't believe he was defending the most disruptive parts of the anon's proposal in this case. As for the earlier restoration of BLP-violating material, my assumption is that it was a mistake Diego will take precaution never to repeat.--Cúchullain t/c 19:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks Cúchullain for the analysis, that is too my reading of what happened; the thread was derailed by the mutual aspersions of incivil behavior (of which I'm ashamed for being part), preventing any possibility of discussing the proposal on its own merits.

I can no longer read what the material said exactly, but I know my impressions at the time were certainly not that of an editor making accusations of illegal misconduct against Sarkeesian. It's common knowledge that Kickstarter doesn't consider its rewards as binding contracts, so I read the "crime" that the original poster accused her to make was that of disappointing her supporters - which, when seen in that light, I couldn't consider as defamation but a mere lament. Deletion of the whole thing seemed an over-reaction to me (and I can't re-assess my view now, which is what happens when discussion content is removed - all accountability is lost).

Since that talk page has a previous history of having comments removed without trace over disagreements (remember that, Cúchullain? ;-) we managed to solve our differences there), I was concerned that this unfortunate trend was resurfacing, thus my restoring of the thread.

Calm calls to provide RSs and avoid gossiping are acceptable, but the chilling effect that comes from that well-meaning attempt to avoid disruption is contributing to the rarefied atmosphere, rather than preventing it. Now, if only those warnings were issued to editors in both sides of the confrontation whenever an editor jumped to guess intentions (such as with the comments from Euchrid and Orangemike), so that we could perceive it as a *neutral* approach to maintain civility, not allowing snarky remarks at either side, that would be different.

I know that is tiresome to repeat the same things again and again, but the regulars also have a responsibility to maintain a good tone. I don't know, maybe a neutral F.A.Q. section could be benefitial so that we could point newcomers there as the first thing, so that they could have their first objections addressed. Diego (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

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07:37, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

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07:43, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Tech News: 2014-36[edit]

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WP:FLOW[edit]

I have undone your change at WP:FLOW with an explanatory edit summary. If you still feel I'm wrong, feel free to remove it again, I won't edit war over it. While I believe it to be correct (factually, not as a value judgment), it isn't essential. Fram (talk) 09:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 September 2014[edit]

user:NorthBySouthBaranof[edit]

This user has continued to direct his abusive behavior in my direction, as well as delete stuff from the talk page (not even the article page!), making it very difficult to improve these articles. I appreciate his zeal in trying to adhere to WP:BLPNAME, but his attitude is unacceptable, he keeps making personal attacks (both on Zoe Quinn and GamerGate, which has, at this point, reached the point of notability), does not assume good faith, he has deleted attempts at even discussing THE event which set off the whole thing (namely, Quinn's involvement with Grayson, which has at this point been noted by numerous RSs, including an official response from his employer), and is generally being disruptive, hostile, and confrontational.

He apparently has a history of edit warring according to his talk page, and I don't think he is likely to change his behavior, so I'm going to start a WP:RFC/U if he does not change his behavior. However, according to the guidelines on that page, he needs to have at least two people discuss the issue with him on his talk page, and, frankly, I'd prefer to avoid going through this process if he actually stopped doing it. I don't know if he'll listen to you, but you warned him about his behavior before and I was hoping you could have a chat with him.

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Nomination of Sexual harassment in video gaming for deletion[edit]

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Tech News: 2014-37[edit]

09:33, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Gamergate[edit]

On rereading what I wrote yesterday in the AFD, I just wanted to say my words seemed dismissive of your position. I apologize and want to acknowledge our agreement as wikipedians. You and I have disagreed from time to time, and I wanted to say to you that I often benefit from reading points of view with which I disagree. Thank you. BusterD (talk) 03:31, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Tropes vs. Women in Video Games. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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Tech News: 2014-38[edit]

08:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Both too quick on the trigger[edit]

Oh, I should know better... it's so easy to click the wrong thing and so easy to jump to conclusions. My apologies. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Ok, no offence taken at any side, I hope. But please, next time remember to count 10 before jumping... (Wasn't that at Sesame Street or something?) Diego (talk) 22:29, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 September 2014[edit]

Flow[edit]

I deliberately avoided a WP:Beans discussion of semi-protect. I hope we can drop it at that. Alsee (talk) 17:18, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

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Contentious material at Gamergate controversy[edit]

Diego, I'm disappointed that you restored the challenged wording that had been edited back into the article almost as soon as I unprotected it. I have not looked into the material itself, but it is clear a number of editors have challenged it, and as you know, the burden of evidence is on people adding material. As the most recent person who restored it, please revert yourself so I don't have to pursue edit warring blocks.--Cúchullain t/c 15:07, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Uh, are we following the same article? First, the content I added this morning is not the same one that was removed; I've tried to correct the problems that lead to its removal, so that would put it in line with WP:BRD - bold edits that try to address the concerns expressed by those opposing it, after discussion has happened, are not edit warring. Second, the last person who edited that bit of the article is Ryulong, who opposed the previous version and now has accepted it (and even improved the format of the reference). That sounds a lot as a consensus to keep to me, if you consider it together with the other editors supporting its inclusion at the talk page.
Also, the content is not challenged on terms of verifiability (all editors agree that the content is supported by the references provided) but on potential BLP problems, and the editor who debated it on this ground didn't provide a convincing argument on how the current wording and well-sourced facts refer to any one individual or otherwise fails BLP.
If you want to discuss the merits of the included content, please do so at the talk page, or challenge it yourself on terms of BLP, not WP:BURDEN. If you feel you have to act with respect to the terms of edit warring, bring it to ANI where we will see if there are grounds for that. Diego (talk) 15:12, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
Diego, the material was the subject of edit warring that led me to protect the article. You restored a part of that material almost as soon as protection was lifted. This is edit warring. I'm not getting into the material itself, but the burden of evidence is always on the editors inserting the challenged material. It has now been removed again, which just continues the edit war and increases the chances the article will have to be protected, and that the the participating editors will be blocked. I hope you will do your part to keep further action from becoming necessary.--Cúchullain t/c 18:37, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

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Hey man, looking at the Github I saw you posted on the talk page about the sexual harassment thing. Is there any reason why that's not in the article, not that I care, it shouldn't be in my opinion, but it seems several major outlets covered it, why is it that these particular sources are ignored, wasn't Wikipedia about "what RS say, not the truth"? Loganmac (talk) 10:47, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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Euphemizing Insults[edit]

When I edit the GamerGate talk page, I was subject to a swearing comment and questioning of my contributions to Wikipedia in every single essence. I see that another editor has labeled you as a 'troll' or claiming you have an 'army of SPAs'. These are blatant personal attacks, but since there is no civility enforcement, I cannot report them. I just invite you to hopefully look past them, but if it gets atrocious I will call the editors out on their behavior. It's absolutely unacceptable. Tutelary (talk) 19:35, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

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