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Hey there, I replied again last week, but didn't think to add another trackback (nor embed your name in the post, IIRC) but since I hadn't heard from you again, figured I'd leave this message today. Let me know! Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 14:48, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
Hey again, I just posted my detailed feedback on the draft's Talk page. Let me know what you think. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:57, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library Survey[edit]

As a subscriber to one of The Wikipedia Library's programs, we'd like to hear your thoughts about future donations and project activities in this brief survey. Thanks and cheers, Ocaasi t | c 15:07, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Timfrakes[edit]

Hi, Thanks for correcting my mistake and being patient with me! This is my first attempt to contribute to an article. I now understand the image question and how many photo can be attributed to a page. I'll do better next time! I'm a videographer, travel widely and want to contribute to Wikipedia. I'll get the editing thing down eventually.

Thanks for your work.

Tim Frakes tim@frakesproductions.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timfrakes (talkcontribs) 18:09, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! I think it's great that you are willing to provide your photographic art to Wikipedia for free. If you ever need help or find yourself getting in some annoying back and forth with another editor, feel free to pop over to my talk page here and ask for advice. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 18:55, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Help with a small thing at David Marchick[edit]

Hey Dkriegls, happy new year! I have a small thing that I'm hoping you might be willing to help me out with. I just heard from folks at David Marchick's office and, apparently, his date of birth here on Wikipedia is still incorrect. Although the year of his birth is now correct, thanks to your help, his office tells me that he was actually born May 14th, not January 1st.

Unfortunately, I don't have a source for this date, so I'm not sure what the best course of action is. Methinks the best thing is just to remove the date and leave the year of birth, unless you're willing to make the change based on what I've been told (and I'd surely understand if you didn't want to trust that alone). What do you think? Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 06:59, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

So, I've been thinking about it. I hate leaving a birth date blank once it's out there. The reason is becasue once Wikipedia puts it out there, removing it doesn't correct the error. The internet worm has already propagated it and the only way to correct it is to give the internet worm a new birth date to replace the old. Just one of the curses of Wikipedia being a top information source. I've seen this happen on biographies I've work with. However, my only source is you (OR). But I think our role in propagating an incorrect birthrate is a (BLP) issue that supersedes (OR) in this case. I'm wikilawyering myself here, but it's why I just went ahead and corrected the date. I also removed the unreferenced birthplace. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 06:03, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
All of that makes sense. Best outcome for an imperfect situation. Thanks for following it up. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:25, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Stage 32[edit]

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Nomination of List of people from Harvey, Illinois for deletion[edit]

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Art Spiegelman article and Ladybelle Fiske[edit]

Hi-- Perhaps this is the wrong place to write to you, not sure. Art Spiegelman, whose page you said you felt I was not notable enough to merit mention on, had a long and intense relationship with me and with Quarry Hill. If you look at his new book, Co-Mix, there is a strip called "Grain of Sand" comics. Down the side of one of the "I"s in this title are the words, which may need to be read with a magnifying glass"-- "I love you, Ladybelle."

There are also many photos, quite a few of them presently available on FAcebook (run a Google search on Art and me and look for Images and you will probably see them) showing Art and me together.

Our relationship was probably the closest thing Art had to a marriage before he met Françoise Mouly (while he and I were again engaging in a renewed love affair, but I didn't know of her till later, when we became friends). Many of our mutual friends would affirm that I was a profoundly notable person in his life. I am not sure how to "prove" this, or even if it's worth bothering with, though I am working on a memoir in which he is mentioned. I feel that perhaps the Wikipedia rules on this sort of thing are too rigid. Take a look at the items I have mentioned. Thakns Ladybelle Fiske (talk) 03:35, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

While I would personally have no problem adding a mention of your relationship, Wikipedia guidelines are biased against non-traditional relationships, and another editor would just delete the entry. This bias stems from our desire for vitrification; and sadly, traditional relationships like marriages are easier to verify. While I believe you when you say you were more than just a girlfriend, an "I love you" in print and some Facebook pictures are not enough to meet WP:Verifiability. I can sympathize with your frustration as I spent more than a decade trying to convince people that my lover was more than just a "girlfriend". Long ago editors decided that mentioning non-notable girlfriends was not encyclopedic information. What you would need: A mention of you in some significant way in one of his works (not identified by a pseudonym). What is significant? Not just a story about dating you, but about you being some significant part of his life. I know this is still vague, but if you find something, bring it to me and I will put give you some feedback, and put it in if I think it is proper. If you think I am being too timid on this point, feel free to petition another editor for help, but I will always be happy to review any edits you wish to have made. Cheers. Dkriegls (talk to me!) 07:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

HI Dkriegls. The last thing I can think of to say re Art Spiegelman and myself is that he has already noted me by name in MAUS (the Prisoner on the Hell Planet section). He says, "I had just spent the weekend with my girlfriend, Isabella. (My parents didn't like her.) Indeed, there was some question in both our minds whether his mother had (horrible!) killed herself because she disapproved of me as a "Goy) (My father was Jewish, but my mother was not). Along with all the other things that Art has said and done to mention me-- the mention of Quarry Hill and my father and "my girlfriend" in MetaMaus, pp 24-25, and all the other stuff, I feel he has made a case that I was an important person in his life. The fact is, no one else was with him when he went mad (as a lover) or when his mother died. We spent that year together and moved in together in Brooklyn in the fall. We spent the next year in a dark, Manson-like (no killing) commune in New York. Many friends of mine would be glad to affirm this relationship. I believe Wikipedia is too fussy about this stuff, whether it's that the editors are fearful that they will be sued or what. It seems obvious to me that I was important to him-- otherwise, why does he keep mentioning me?

I am writing a book about my life in which he will not be a major character, but he will exist in a space appropriate to that which he did occupy in my true life. We were friends till the mid 1990s. Thirty years! My husband and I took care of his kids on numerous occasions. I know that nothing I can say or do will convince Wikipedia that I was a significant person, but I just want to state it here because it is true. Thanks and good luck,

Ladybelle Fiske (talk) 16:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

General question[edit]

In Wikiproject Cities Guidelines: Notable people it says the list is there for people "born in, or lived significant time in"... what is "significant" in that context?

The problem came up due to an issue of an army officer who served for less than a year (1853-1854) at Fort Humboldt, in Eureka, California. He wasn't famous when he was there. He left the Army ( a career-changing move ) because of his hassles in Eureka. As best I can remember his name has been on the Eureka notables list since before I started editing. Recently someone took him off; I reverted - they got nasty. I decided to stop caring if that particular person was on the list or off the list because of the nasty nature of the arguers against. Later, thinking about it, I decided to go over to the guidelines page and see if I could find someone to ask "what is significant?" What about the case of a serial killer who turned himself in to the police in a particular city and became big news. He's not "from" there, or lived there a long time, but his name is forever associated with the place, should he be on the list or off? And so on... if a child was born in the hospital in Eureka, but the family is from Garberville, is that a Eureka notable or a Garberville notable? So many questions, such a short list of names! Thank you in advance for your help. Ellin Beltz (talk) 18:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

You are right. Living in a place is also to "be from" there. To solve the problem I just moved the whole list to a stand alone list. There's a lot more clean up that needs to happen to that list. If you're interested, here is the best example of what I am trying to get all these lists to look line: List of people from Park Ridge, Illinois. Dkriegls (talk to me!) 07:39, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

You are an angel! I will work on that list to get the citations and information, photos etc. to try to get it to the quality of the Park Ridge, Illinois list. Cheers!! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:12, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Great! If you have any questions about format, feel free to ask. I find that when we get these lists into a table format, we get a lot fewer red links being added. But it doesn't discourage people making honest notable adds to the list. Makes them easier to manage. Dkriegls (talk to me!) 17:45, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Natasha Laws Mick page[edit]

Hi DKriegl. This page is a work in progress. I wouldn't too readily delete it. Press, and therefore references are coming. Trust me on this. As well as other projects.

If you feel you have some citations that meet WP:Notability, you should bring them to this page: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Natasha Laws Mick, as I will not be the one deciding if the page is deleted. I am only the nominating editor. Dkriegls (talk to me!) 07:55, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Article: Joseph Steinberg[edit]

Hi. A page I wrote that you edited has been relisted for deletion. Please take a look. Thank you. Jersey92 (talk) 16:25, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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IIT Alums[edit]

Hi, Dkriegls! Thanks for the greeting (drunken late-night or not) on my Talk page. :-) Krakatoa (talk) 16:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

"Land of the Silver Birch"[edit]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Silver_Birch

Alas, the article incorrectly states that it's a folk song and correctly that it's by her. Masalai (talk) 07:55, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I was hopping for and Wikipedia:Verifiability reference. But I now see where you got it. Cheers. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 08:43, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

WP Cities in the Signpost[edit]

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Nicknames[edit]

I understand, and even agree with your point in an abstract sense, however I think we need the specificity in the city guidelines. This came up during the last few weeks on the Cleveland article, where an editor wants to include "Mistake by the Lake". If you look at the LA and DC pages, you'll see that they also include pejorative names. I just feel that we need to make it as clear as possible, which simply citing NPOV doesn't do. Onel5969 (talk) 04:58, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Mentioning that LA and DC both mention pejorative names makes me even more skeptical of using this project to institute a new policy. I would imagine editors at both those cites spent a lot of time considering the inclusion of what constitutes a notable nicknames. Therefor, if you think a policy should be implemented, you should work to build consensus first, because simply editing a policy page will not get you any further with your desired result, even if I hadn't reverted it. I'm not "blocking" you. I'm simply stating that you citing an edit on a policy page that you and only you implemented would not impress other editors to agree with your desired edit. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 05:51, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Regarding "Lewis, VT"[edit]

Not sure what the issue with that is, it's an interesting fact, and Wikipedia is full of those. True it is not a "trivia page" but you'll find similar bits of information literally everywhere on Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.99.203.172 (talk) 05:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

It's not a notable fact about the town. The article you cited was about Club 251 as a whole, not about the town's role. While the town's role is mentioned, Wikipedia policy for what is notable is not met but the limited coverage. While you may find it interesting, it does not meet our encyclopedic level of interesting. --Dkriegls (talk to me!) 05:45, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Pedantic edit[edit]

Greetings again: Please see [1] for the latest pedantic edit on U.S. Grant's residency in Eureka, California. I'm not reverting it, I don't want an edit war with some pedant. Cheers! Ellin Beltz (talk) 03:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I reverted it and added an explanation of his relationship to the area. Perhaps that might help prevent future pedantics--Dkriegls (talk to me!) 05:42, 22 July 2014 (UTC)