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Backdraft[edit]

Solving the Five Pillars of Annoyance by a Kid Half Your Age 1. Undid revision to Backdraft. 2. Will undo revisions again if they are removed again. 3. Three-reversion rule will then trip. 4. This will then notify administration of the edit war. 5. I've been here for years, am 72 years old, have been in Hollywood over 50 years and taught newcomers in the university system for over 30 years. Go bother somebody else.

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Reversion on Poseidon Adventure[edit]

I just took a look at your reversion of the edits made by Titanicgeek1912, and I agree with your reversion. But I really don't see any evidence of vandalism there. Dropping a level 2 warning, especially in the absence of a level 1, strikes me as possibly being a bit of an overreaction. It looks more like a case of excessive enthusiasm getting the upper hand on good judgement. I suggest looking at his/her contrib log. This is not a vandal. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:31, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

My understanding has been that level 1 is good faith and level 2 is no faith, good or bad. The edits resulted in blatantly inappropriate links and suggested to me that the edits had at best been made rather carelessly (the editor didn't seem to have reviewed their own edits) and at worst were intentional vandalism. If they're not a vandal then the notice is pretty much just a case of me having wasted my time warning someone pointlessly. :) Anywho, the wording does say that the edits appear to be vandalism; there's no explicit statement that anyone believes vandalism was intended. Thanks for your concern though. I always watch the pages of editors I leave notices for, so if they express any concern there, I'll be happy to discuss it with them. DonIago (talk) 05:45, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
A level one warning leaves open the possibility of good faith. Anything above that is generally understood to be an accusation of malicious intent. The wording leaves little doubt of that. When you post on someone's talk page that their edit "appears to be vandalism" I don't see any other reasonable interpretation. -Ad Orientem (talk) 06:37, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
I re-read the information regarding the warning levels and I don't really agree with your interpretation. Level 2 is "Caution – No faith assumption, just a note.", which to my mind is basically what I said in my prior message. Saying an edit "appears to be vandalism" is only a comment on how the edit looks, it is not a reflection on the intention of the editor. If I accidentally delete a paragraph from an article it may appear to be vandalism, but in fact it is just a mistake. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 15:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
In any event, I noticed that the editor in question re-inserted the same erroneous link to SS. It seems to me that they're either inserting vandalism intentionally or simply not reviewing their work, but as this is the second time they pushed that edit through and they got a notice about it the first time I'm rather less inclined to assume good faith. Even if they're "accidentally" inserting an incorrect link repeatedly, competence is required. I did note the specific issue in the warning I issued. DonIago (talk) 16:54, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Unless the Poseidon was not a steamship,the link is perfectly accurate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:10, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
The most recent one, yes. The edit where they linked to SS? Not so much. Might I recommend that before you chastise me for what you believe to be inappropriate conduct that you grant me the same degree of good faith you are granting the editor I was reverting at the time? DonIago (talk) 19:26, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Mediation committee[edit]

Would you be interested in applying for membership on the Mediation Committee? I'm Chairperson there and would nominate you if you are interested. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:44, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Heya TM. I'm flattered that you'd approach me about this. I'm going to need a few days to think about it, especially as I'm currently battling a case of plague, though I did start skimming the relevant pages. Anyhow, whether or not this goes anywhere, I do appreciate you coming to me with it, and I'll let you know what I think when I'm more coherent. DonIago (talk) 20:41, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Take your time, but when you decide either {{ping}} me here or drop a note on my talk page, please. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 15:11, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Will definitely do that, and thanks again for the interest! I'm hoping things on my end will settle down again in the next week or so. DonIago (talk) 15:33, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

The Bourne Supremacy[edit]

I have received your message regarding my unsourced change to the Critical Reception area of The Bourne Supremacy (film) article. The reason I didn't put a source was because the information I required was from the exact same source that was already cited. The website cited tends to change over periods of time, so I was just simply updating a few stats to make it up-to-date and current. I'm sorry if what I did created any confusion. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.111.237.239 (talk) 01:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Hi, my concern was actually that you added Ebert's review without providing a citation for it. Also, we generally prefer to include some sort of quote rather than just the star rating as a way of providing additional context. "Roger Ebert gave the film 3 out of 4 stars, noting that "You'd think this film would suck, but it actually keeps you riveted to your seat for its entirety"", as an example. Hope this helps! DonIago (talk) 03:32, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Re: Noah Revert Oct 2014[edit]

Hi, just saw the message about the revert. I agree, for the most part, I remember thinking the plot summary as a whole needed quite a bit of pruning but I hadn't slept in a while at the time. I do want to put back two things, though. The change I made to the part that mentions cannibalism, simply because cannabalism never happens in the movie. It's the fact that girls are being kidnapped and traded in for animals that are then eaten alive that disgusts Noah. Also the last paragraph I wrote that mentions Noah's alcoholism, survivor's guilt and forgiving himself thanks to Ila's reasoning which is the most important part of the movie. From what I've read, the whole survivor's guilt thing was a major motivation to making the film, hence why the events that convinced him humanity must die and the reasoning behind his self-forgiveness are so important. MatrixM (talk) 10:32, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't have any problem with things being added back into the plot summary per se, but if it's going to expand the summary significantly beyond the 700 word maximum recommended in the guidelines then I believe a consensus to disregard the guideline should be reached at the Talk page first. DonIago (talk) 14:25, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Rollback[edit]

Wtf was this about? If you want your rollback rights removed, you can just ask an admin to remove them—it's less hassle than than rolling back admins on project pages. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:59, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Would you care to rephrase that in a more civil tone, or would you prefer I just assume you were blowing off steam and pretend I didn't see this? DonIago (talk) 15:02, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Goinia incident[edit]

It is also on the Thine Own Self page without any sources and has been there for years. Did you remove that too?--66.7.139.222 (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
It's there as a see also and described as a similar incident, with no claim that the episode is based on the incident, loosely or otherwise. DonIago (talk) 19:55, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Southwest Airlines at PHX[edit]

Hello and thanks for your feedback, as regarding the removal of content in relation to Southwest Airlines operations at Phoenix involving flights to both Cleveland and Dallas-Love, it was done in order to clean up the page and make it look more presentable and eye-pleasing. I understand referencing sites when new flights are added or about to commence in order to make sure that what is being shown is as factual as possible, I however notice that other pages delete both (start date) and the reference once the flights have commenced, as leaving the reference in afterwards just makes it less pleasing.

Thanks for explaining! DonIago (talk) 13:30, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Gargoyles debate, listen to me.[edit]

Thanks for keeping an eye out for vandalism. Its Zarbon, I decided to create an alternative account just so Shane wouldn't have me on his computer. I am being met with constant trouble by a banned editor, Wiki-star (talk · contribs · logs). I am looking at a period of over 10 years at the time being. He keeps creating various sock puppets, likely performing cross-wiki vandalism as we speak. He follows me around, hounding me in other words, to either revert my contributions or just plain vandalize. Now going back to out Gargoyles discussion, show me where it isn't ok to educate readers on an exclusive Wal-Mart edition. Policies aside, because you haven't presented any actual reasons other than your opinion. You may reply on my other username. Thanks for listening, Zarbon

Regarding the issues with the banned user, if they are sockpuppeting you should refer the matter to WP:SPI. I'm not an admin so there's nothing I can do about it in any case. Sorry to hear he's going after you.
Regarding the Gargoyles matter...as I stated, I don't believe the Wal-Mart information should be included unless a third-party source took note of it. I bought Gargoyles on Amazon well over a year ago, so what's the big deal that it's at Wal-Mart now? When the addition of material is contested, whether it is included, barring policy matters, should be determined by WP:CONSENSUS, and there isn't one right now as far as I'm aware. If you still feel strongly that the information should be added, there's numerous options discussed at WP:DR, though my first step would likely be to contact a relevant project page (see the top of the Gargoyles Talk page) and ask for additional opinions there.
Hope this helps. DonIago (talk) 15:30, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Your information is helpful, but when I tell you that I have tried contacting othe sysops like Deskana and Favonian on stopping this vandal, you're going to have to trust me. I have a feeling, Doniago, I know who is really behind it all. It is either Sesshomaru (talk · contribs · logs) or Recoome (talk · contribs · logs), but I wouldn't be surprised if Wiki-star was the puppet master all along. Now I will think about contacting a third party to back me up on Gargoyles, but you alleging that the material is WP:CRUFT isn't helping anyone. I will add the copyright tag to the image if that's what it takes, you also tend to get me angry sometimes, and I don't like to be angry, and will never stop following the rules. What else, dear comrade, do you have to say for yourself? Zarbon
In cases of sockpuppetry, going through WP:SPI is a much better approach than contacting single admins or sysops. SPI is specifically intended for addressing sockpuppetry concerns, so it should really be the first place you go. In any case, as I said, there's nothing I can do about the matter, so while you're welcome to share your frustrations with me, and I do sympathize, that's about all I can do to help.
I have every right to express my opinion that the material you wish to add to Gargoyles isn't appropriate on whatever grounds I wish to bring up, just as you have the right to disagree with me. That's how Wikipedia works: when two editors disagree on whether material is appropriate for inclusion, they discuss it to try to reach a compromise, and bring in other parties (as outlined at WP:DR) if they can't solve it between themselves. I'm sorry if you're upset that I don't agree with you, but I'm not going to stop feeling the material is trivial simply because you ask me to, and it's not really cool to ask other editors to stop expressing their feeling on a matter just because you don't want to hear it.
Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:41, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
With all due respect my good sir, I understand what you're trying to say, but all it is is WP:BIAS, and we typically ignore pointless ideas if they have no merit. What about all the other pages that mention only-exclusive and useful information on DVDs? Should we start by deleting everything we simply don't agree with? I admire your WP:BOLD words, but to do that what I've conveyed will only detriment the value of such a resourceful encyclopedia. Well I no longer will fight tooth and whatever for my inclusion of WP:SOURCE material. May take further action when I log into my other account. Blessings to all... Zarbon
Okie-doke. DonIago (talk) 13:45, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

*A Separate Peace*[edit]

Doniago, thank you for your (undeserved) thank you to me regarding our talk page discussion for the A Separate Peace article, as well as for your wise counsel. I have added the section in question, but I could sorely use your assistance regarding adding the links. Please see my latest entry on the talk page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:A_Separate_Peace

If you like the new section, please feel free to edit its substance as you please.

Thanks again even if you don’t have time to render the assistance I have asked for and best regards.HistoryBuff14 (talk) 18:48, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Personally I think anyone who's willing to express the willingness to properly reference information they wish to have added to the encyclopedia deserves all the thanks I can give them. Anyway, I've commented at the Talk page noting that the refs have been cleaned up (and the tool I used). Cheers! DonIago (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Doniago, thank you so much for your kindness in answering my call for assistance. Sometimes I have managed to insert links that are relatively clean in appearance and are functional, though often they have been refined by other editors. In this case they were totally incompletely inserted and I gave up trying after awhile. I intend to read over a Wikipedia tutorial that I found as well as the tool you kindly referenced to see if I might learn and do better in the future.
I very much admire your campaign for civility and you are indeed the consummate gentleman. After having created my first and only article awhile back (regarding a subject whom I have absolutely no interest in (a British child entertainer) and had only recently heard of; I just wanted to take a crack at actually creating an article rather than merely editing them, and he presented a rare target of opportunity as he hadn’t yet had a Wiki article though he seemed to merit one by Wiki’s standards), I was invited to vote in a Wiki election for the first time. If you decide to run for an administrative post (as you seem to indicate you might one day on your user page), please notify me and if I am still eligible to vote then rest assured you'll have my vote!
Thanks again and best regards, Don SchneiderHistoryBuff14 (talk) 17:51, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Glad I could help, and you're too kind! Please don't hesitate to get in touch if you run into situations in the future where you think I may be of assistance. DonIago (talk) 18:00, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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look @ User:Zarbon[edit]

He is a sockpuppet, not aye. Found this, Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Zarbon AND Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Zarbon. thats all i wanna tell us. please block him as such

As I'm not an admin I can't block users. Your best option would be to file a report at WP:SPI. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 15:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Justification of removal of references to obvious materials[edit]

Concerning your removal of my reference to the Otto Dix artwork being captured on film (CABARET), I suggest you also take a look at the original Otto Dix artwork referenced (Sylvia von Harden), take notice of the CABARET reference there - and watch the actual film, again.

When I rewatched the film these still images immediately reminded me of paintings - and their compositions! - as done by Otto Dix. During the opening scenes of CABARET it's rather obvious that Bob Fosse recreated Otto Dix's Sylvia von Harden painting with an actress - sitting exactly like in the painting and wearing her distinctive monocle.

This isn't a coincidence, but clearly suggests that the director was acquainted with Dix's Berlin and night club scene paintings and thus paid his tribute to Otto Dix by capturing some of his artwork in the language of film shots.

I can't see the necessity of providing a "source" or "reference" for something that obvious, which just adds an interesting facet to the film and the work of director Bob Fosse. Please restore my information. (Frank Bitterhof (talk) 11:20, 25 November 2014 (UTC))

Observations made by Wikipedia editors without being backed up by reliable sources are considered original research and are inappropriate for inclusion. If something is "obvious", then hopefully finding a source to substantiate it will not be particularly difficult. Cheers. DonIago (talk) 16:09, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:PATH (Toronto)[edit]

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Track listing question[edit]

Hello! I was reading a comment you made in a recent AfD discussion about removing track listing from certain articles per the MoS. Just so I know, which part of the MoS is that and which articles should we be removing track listings from? --Cerebellum (talk) 13:50, 28 November 2014 (UTC)