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Aramis Knight

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Aramis Knight. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the content has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have particular issues with the article please discuss that on either my talk page or the talk page of the article in question. Blanking sections of text is not helpful for readers, nor does it aid in editing and expanding the article.Booth088 (talk) 05:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

You have removed the sources at the bottom of the tables for the article Aramis Knight. I will once again replace the IMDB references, since these are considered a reliable, and readable source for this for this field. (By blanking, I am referring to removing sourced material, and removing sources to remaining material and then subsequently claiming that the article lacks reliable third party sources (when the article had been approved as a draft and moved by another user after having been determined to have the qualities that you claim it lacks))

In removing the sources from the bottom of the tables, and replacing them only sparsely in a few locations in the table: 1. Adds unnecessary clutter (Please see Wikipedia:REF#Avoiding_clutter) 2. leaves information unsourced now that was previously sourced.

I would encourage you to bring up any concerns on the talk page and refrain from draconian actions on this or any other article. Therefore, I have once again re-edited the page. I have retained the BLP sources Tag, and replaced sources that you have removed, and replaced material that was sourced and removed.

Please also refer to WP:AVOIDEDITWAR Booth088 (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Why, thank you so much for welcoming me to Wikipedia! Sadly, though, you're about seven years and ten thousand edits late.

To help you catch up a little, I recommend you read:

• WP:Don't template the regulars:

  sticking to "did you know we had a policy here" mentality tends to be counter-productive in resolving the issue, as it can be construed as being patronizing and uncivil

• IMDB as a reliable source:

  The IMDb should be regarded as a questionable source, especially for future films. Its content is user-submitted and often subject to incorrect speculation and rumor. The use of the IMDb on Wikipedia for referencing is considered unacceptable and strongly discouraged. Reliable sourcing from established publications cannot be stressed enough. Anonymous or pseudonymous sources from online fansites are generally not acceptable.

• Search for 'IMDb' on the Reliable sources noticeboard - 66 results, approximately none of which think that IMDb counts as a reliable source.
• WP:REF#Repeated_citations says:

  For multiple use of the same citation or footnote, you can also use the named references feature, choosing a name to identify the citation, and typing <ref name="name">text of the citation</ref>. Thereafter, the same footnote may be reused any number of times by typing just <ref name="name" />.

  The following paragraph, WP:REF#Avoiding_clutter, says:

  Inline references can significantly bloat the wikitext in the edit window and can be extremely difficult and confusing. There are three methods that avoid clutter in the edit window: list-defined references, short citations or parenthetical references.

  That is, it refers to cleaning up clutter in terms of what's seen in the edit window, not what's seen on the article page—so for repeated citations, named references (i.e., what I used) are perfectly acceptable.
• WP:Manual of Style/Record charts was the only MOS page I could find that explicitly refers to citations within a table; if you look at their examples, they're not just perfectly acceptable, they're required ("references should be individual and specific to each chart that is being used. Sources per column or table are insufficient.").
• BTW, using a footnote at the end of a table means that the source covers everything in the table. Which clearly is not the case here; making those edits fall into what's generally considered to be sneaky vandalism.
• Blanking:

  Removing all or significant parts of a page's content without any reason, or replacing entire pages with nonsense.

  Which was clearly not the case, thank you. Nothing significant was removed, and no nonsense was added (at least not by me).
• And so on, and so on.

Really, stop with the accusations, and learn something about how WP works. First. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:59, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Aramis Knight

As well as other things (I have asked another user to step in for support as well here), citing a birth date is not necessary. It is not potentially defamatory. For the time being I reverted to 478712992, which seemed to be your desire anyhow. Also not every fact or line needs a citation, even for BLP articles. -Aaron Booth (talk) 00:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

"However, in practice it is only necessary to provide inline citations for quotations and for any information that has been challenged or that is likely to be challenged." -Aaron Booth (talk) 00:16, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

You also removed at least one piece of information that was in fact sourced. -Aaron Booth (talk) 00:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

If you think that sources are only needed for statements that are "potentially defamatory" or likely to be challenged — well, you've got a lot of things to learn about WP. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 00:54, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I guess I just like following WP policy. Like I said on on the other user's talk page: please get to work on Daniel Radcliffe. -Aaron Booth (talk) 00:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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John Micklethwait

Hi Dori,

Please explain your intervention for the edition of the external links on John Micklethwait. What you posted is promotional - you are sending traffic to the London Speakers Bureau... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamesstatham (talk • contribs) 09:11, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I merely reverted an edit of yours to John Micklethwait, as User:DMacks had twice before (1, 2), and as he did on Chris Anderson (writer), and as he did on Jane McGonigal, and as he did on Thomas J. Sargent, and as User:Beetstra did on Dan Ariely, and as User:Spanglej did on Malcolm Gladwell. I'll also note that you were previously warned about this behavior by both DMacks and OrangeMike.

Perhaps you should realize that with your COI, it's best that you avoid editing speaker's bureau external links altogether, as both DMacks and Beetstra recommended. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 22:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

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Clarification

Regarding the Given Lubinda page, isn't news that a minister of a country bungee jumped from the number 1 tourist attraction in the country useful information for his profile page on Wikipedia?

By removing this sentence "Given Lubinda, made a bungee jump from the Victoria Falls to reassure visitors of the safety of bungee jumping in Zambia after a rope snapped sending Australian Erin Langworthy plunging into the Zambezi River." from the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Given_Lubinda page this information is now not available to anyone.

I'd like to ensure that I do not violate any link spam issues, but how does one add potentially useful information about a person and still provide a reference to the source article for this information? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheZambian (talk • contribs) 13:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) Dropping by... this sounded interesting so I had a look. I see two problems here: (a) the username User:TheZambian is the same as the organisation/website http://thezambian.com/, which is against WP:CORPNAME policy on usernames, and (b) we don't know whether TheZambian is a Reliable Source - there is no Wikipedia article about it and it does not seem to have been discussed at Reliable Sources Noticeboard. (Oh and 3rd problem: the refs in that article are dreadfully formatted - will fix!) PamD 14:04, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

And I got a bit carried away and have re-added the bungee piece, with a BBC source. PamD 14:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

To add to the above: User:PamD added a {{uw-username}} to User talk:TheZambian; User:Orangemike then blocked him. I love it when everything gets straightened out before I even look at WP. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 22:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure the user should have been blocked - following WP:BADNAME I did "talk to the user", using a template "to encourage the user to create a new account with a better username. Often, the problem can be cleared up in an amicable way." Seeing that the editor had created their account under a specific outreach project, aimed at increasing participation, and had only edited three articles, adding a ref to tThe Zambian to one, an addition with no mention of The Zambian to another, and a verifiable piece of content sourced to The Zambian to the third, a block seems WP:BITEy. PamD 00:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

You'd have to ask User:Orangemike about the why/wherefores of his block; I just mentioned it here to note the current situation. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 00:09, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Sure, after I typed that lot I dropped a {{talkback}} on his page to bring it to his attention. PamD 00:17, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I sent the user an e-mail with a note assuring them that while we encourage Zambian participation, it will have to be with a more acceptable username. TheZambian.com seems to be a user-written news site, and thus fails WP:RS. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I Survived BTK wiki page

Hi Dori,

I'm writing you regarding the page i'm creating for our documentary film on Wikipedia. I am the owner of the copyright, the director, writer and producer of the film and we are in the process of creating a wikipedia page for our film using the film's synopsis, plot, artwork, etc. (all intellectual property is owned and created by me) and we've hit a snag in that we've been flagged for speedy removal. I'd like to know how to navigate this issue. Please advise. I can be reached at . Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Isurvivedbtk (talk • contribs) 20:10:50

Before you go any further, I strongly recommend that you read:

• WP:Conflict of interest
• WP:FAQ/Organizations
• WP:Suggestions for COI compliance
• WP:Best practices for editors with conflicts of interest
• WP:FAQ/Copyright
• WP:Donating copyrighted materials

Best of luck! Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 04:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Dori,

I've read everything over and it appears that there are rules for COI editors of which I guess in some way I fall into that category but, I'm confused: you either encourage or discourage COI editors?

(Ref: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest: COI editing is strongly discouraged. When editing causes disruption to the encyclopedia through violation of policies such as neutral point of view, what Wikipedia is not, and copyright compliance, accounts may be blocked. COI editing also risks causing public embarrassment for the individuals and groups being promoted.[1] Editors with COIs are strongly encouraged—but not actually required—to declare their interests, both on their user pages and on the talk page of the related article they are editing, particularly if those edits may be contested.)

I'm being genuine and not trying to self promote in the least. These are all facts being provided on this website, pertinent to a micro-budget documentary film and I have examined other film pages on wikipedia like Paradise Lost, The Vow and Human Centipede for example and I am simply trying to create an accurate, factual page open for editing by others. There is no limit to information neither do I have a desire to create a conflict. All edits done by me are in good faith and in no way is the page trying to distort Wikipedia.

What else do you suggest I do?

I thank you for your time and I look forward to hearing back from you soon.

Marc — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.170.245.217 (talk • contribs) 21:03, 25 February 2012‎

Like you, I'm just another editor here—I'm not an admin or staff member. My take is that you created the article by copying information that you'd already published elsewhere and pasting that into the new article form, and that counts as a copyright violation. But I'm certainly not in charge of anything, and can't offer any kind of official "You Should Do This" recommendation. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:25, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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User:NCISfan2

Did you check my userpage? NCISfan2 (talk) 15:26, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Answered at User talk:NCISfan2#Removing help templates without helping.

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Y Done Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Arjun Modhwadia

You tagged article Arjun Modhwadia under COI as you found that I did edits which favoured him instead of establishing neutral view as i had a close connection with him.
Better late then never, I admit that i edited it in a way that it promoted him as he is like my Uncle.
I m extremly sorry for that as i did it when i was not aware of policies of wikipedia.
Now i have made the article neutral by removing the promotional things. So eventually i also removed COI tag. Please review the page and tell me if any further improvement is there in the article and in me!
Again I m very sorry. Thank You! Yasht101 06:54, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

All the {{coi}} tag says is that the article "may have been edited by a contributor who has a close connection with its subject." There's nothing there about NPOV, so it didn't need to be removed. I've re-added it for you, and also cleaned up some of the over-linking issue the article had. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 10:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay..Thanks!! Yasht101

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Speedy deletion declined

Hi DoriSmith. Thank you for patrolling new pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I'm just letting you know that I declined your deletion request for Cronus Chronicles, a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion (A2) you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Whenaxis talk · contribs | DR goes to Wikimania! 01:54, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Honest, I looked to see if there was something it should be redirected to instead, but for some reason I came up empty. I'm glad you were able to find a good target. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Jack of Diamonds (song)

The addition of the artist Rick Pickren to the list of covers is not "promotional". The recording receives frequent airplay and is a very popular download on iTunes and other digital download services. I would very much appreciate your allowing the listing. Sincerely, Wes Artley — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigstrike (talk • contribs) 04:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

If you believe that Rick Pickren is a notable singer, then please consider creating an article on him. But until then, with no wikilink and no secondary sources, your changes look like you're just adding another random singer.

In general, I also recommend you read User:DoriSmith/onCOI. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Want to add links to adf-serials.com.au

Hi Dori,

I am new to updating and editing pages and have a special interest as an Aviation Historian.

Recently, I added some links to a web page which I contribute to (www.adf-serials.com.au) in relation to Article XV Squadrons of the RAAF & RNZAF.

My posting was not intended to be promotion, but does provide links to the largest on-line repository of information in relation to the aircraft operated by these two services under the RAF/EATS Article XV agreement and is a ser.

I would appreciate your feedback and advice on how best to make this information avialble to Wikipedia users without appearing to be promtional.

All the best

Brendan Cowan (AKA Cowanb) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cowanb (talk • contribs) 05:03, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

It's not an exact fit to your situation, but my advice at Now what? is all applicable. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 06:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

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An opinion, if you might...

I'd like you to take a look at User:MichaelQSchmidt/Take This Lollipop and tell me if you think it's ready for mainspace. To be Frank, once I began the thing practically wrote itself. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 23:23, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

New London edit question

Hello. I sent you an e-mail with a question about your recent revision to the New London school explosion article. I look forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wereschagin (talk • contribs) 13:03, 5 March 2012 (UTC)