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Speaking of potential FAs[edit]

I just remembered the hassium article you edited some time ago; I've given it another look and I think it only needs a few last touches (well, apart from things like prose review and refs checks, I'm not to judge that) before it can be nominated, being closest to FAC of any articles you want to feature. Are you interested?--R8R (talk) 17:52, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

@R8R Gtrs: Absolutely! Double sharp (talk) 03:22, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
Great :) Then I'll try to check it carefully during this weekend (however, no promises on dates)--R8R (talk) 12:32, 23 September 2014 (UTC)


Here] you deleted yout earlier, 16:12 post. Was that intentional so we forget, or would you keep it (so I can respond)? -DePiep (talk) 18:25, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Not intentional at all, actually – I managed to edit-conflict with myself again... it's back now, hopefully. Double sharp (talk) 02:27, 21 September 2014 (UTC)
OK. -DePiep (talk) 18:52, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

With regards to [1][edit]

You must construct additional pions!

To add something of substance to this post, here's a list of some notable objects in Corona Borealis that could be useful for the article whenever you decide to write it: Abell 2061, Abell 2065, Abell 2079, Abell 2111, Abell 2124, Abell 2142, Abell 2162, 3C 332, PG 1211+143. StringTheory11 (t • c) 20:30, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

LOL, yeah. Give me enough protons and neutrons to make 208Pb, then we'll have a great source of virtual pions! XD
Thanks for the list! I'll probably do it when I don't feel like working on an element, though. Probably after I'm done with Ra. Double sharp (talk) 02:30, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Livermorium[edit]

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GA assessment of chalcogen[edit]

Thanks for your efforts. I apologise for not being able to get involved but there has been a death in the close family and the aftermath is taking a lot my time. My comments on the reassessment are here. A disappointing outcome but undeterred I have marked up chalcogen with missing and dubious flags to highlight the shortcomings and mistakes, currently I am ill so have had some internet time available. The more I read it the worse the article gets! Axiosaurus (talk) 18:32, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I know, right? I took a look through and found problems too, but you beat me to most of them. ;-) I did join in the tagging, though.
Since further GAR seems likely to be unproductive it appears that we will have to completely rewrite the article in a better way. The tagging should make it clear to readers in the meantime that the content that is currently there has many shortcomings and mistakes.
I must admit that I'd approach the rewriting task with some trepidation – Greenwood and Earnshaw after all splits off discussion of O and S from the rest of the group, and while Hollemann and Wiberg keep them all in one chapter they put the elements in different subsections that almost behave like separate chapters! But it seems that we have to now. I think a better group for a newcomer to do would be the halogens – that's at least not as easy to mess up, and is one of the first groups typically encountered when beginning chemistry (the other being the alkali metals). Double sharp (talk) 07:03, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Livermorium[edit]

The article Livermorium you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold Symbol wait.svg. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Livermorium for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mike Christie -- Mike Christie (talk) 22:20, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Regarding A-sharp minor...[edit]

There might be works in A-sharp minor that the site has missed (I wrote to them about that):

  • Louise Farrenc, 30 Études dans tous les tons majeurs et mineurs (piano)

I did not have to look very far: I found them in the Wikipedia article "Music written in all 24 major and minor keys".

Then there is the set of 111 two-and-three-part canons for the piano by Max Reger but I haven't looked through them so I don't know if they cover all 30 keys. The number 111 itself is rather quaint as it is divisible by neither 24 nor 30. I don't know what to make of it. The title says all keys but it's impossible to tell a priori if that means all 24 keys or all 30 keys. On the other hand the site shows that set includes pieces in C-flat major, so who knows.

In any case that site would already have to add three items to every one of their four lists.

Note however that all of the pieces in A-sharp minor (including the two they already have, the ones by Christian Heinrich Rinck) would still only be items included in collections that were written precisely in order to cover all of the 30 keys, and so the choice of A-sharp minor could not be called a real choice.

For the pieces in the next most uncommon key, C-flat major, they do have a few real pieces, but a couple of them are pieces for harp, so maybe not a real choice either.


Contact Basemetal here 18:07, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

@Basemetal: C-flat major may be a real choice, but only for Alexei Stanchinsky's Op. 1 No. 7 and the trio of Frédéric Chopin's Contredanse (the overall key is G-flat major)! And I haven't seen collections of 24-key works that use C-flat major or A-sharp minor but not their enharmonic equivalents, so maybe they are really just useless keys that are only encountered as modulations (kind of like theoretical keys). Double sharp (talk) 04:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Campanelli: 30 keys.
Farrenc: 24 keys (six keys have two études each: C, D, E, Ab, Eb major, and D minor).
Lee: I don't know.
Reger: 27 keys (no G# minor, D# minor, or A# minor). Burzuchius (talk) 18:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for these clarifications. I assume Campanelli is a typo for Campagnoli.
Note regarding they mistakenly use parallel key for relative key (no doubt because that's how it goes in German).
Contact Basemetal here 09:04, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

FTC/GTC reviewing[edit]

Nice to see more Elements topics being made. Especially after the review for the Period One topic. I'm wondering if you would be able to review some of the other nominations on the board. Just to help get a consensus for them made. GamerPro64 22:08, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

@GamerPro64: All right – I'll give them a look through. Double sharp (talk) 12:34, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Periodic Table[edit]

Sorry i thought it would look better.

User:R. Portela F. 19:42, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ununpentium[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 25 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I am not aware of any application for radium. It looks like the production stopped a long time ago and other materials like tritium or americium took over. For me it looks like the other materials are not much different in production costs, so why the radium fell out of use except for the luminescent paint is strange. --Stone (talk) 21:54, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

Extended Betza notation[edit]

I conceived a very simple ad-hoc extension of Betza notation, less powerful than my Betza 2.0 proposal, (which would require a separate article to explain), but sufficiently powerful to handle virtually all Shogi moves. It requires only a single new modifier 'a', for 'again', rather than the plethora of new ad-hoc modifiers that the Wikipedia Shogi articles introduce now. And it is rather easy to explain:

The notation xxxayyyK stands for an xxxK move followed by an yyyK move, not necessarily in the same direction. Larger numbers of 'legs' can be indicated by repeated application of 'a'. Directional modifiers on continuation legs must be interpreted relative to the previous leg, where 'f' means 'continue in the same direction'; default is 'all directions'. The default modality of the final leg is the usual 'mc', but on non-final steps also includes a hop over an obstacle, provided the path does not bend back on itself there. Other (combinations of) modalities would have to be written explicitly, where the power to hop over an obstacle at the end-point of the step is denoted by 'p'.

This extension reduces a complete Lion to just aK, because the first-leg default modality exactly describes Lion power. The Soaring Eagle becomes RbBfavF, the v=fb in the second leg enforcing linearity. The Lion Dog becomes KavKafavK, the Teaching King QavKafavK. Hook movers become RmasR (or, equivalently but more contrived WmaR) and BmasB, where the 'm' robs them of the Lion powers. This also works for area moves, e.g. Tenjiku Vice General BcppBWmaKmamaK.

Shall I replace the dd, dh, tt, th-based description by this in all large-Shogi articles? I think that descriptions like KdhKdh3Kc2tt[DW]c2tt[AF]HG are really requiring more explanation than they provide... — Preceding unsigned comment added by H.G.Muller (talkcontribs) 11:00, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

@H.G.Muller: Yes, please! This is much more elegant than the current one! Double sharp (talk) 11:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for being so indecisive about this. I made the change, but now that I look at it I perceive a shortcoming. Although this new 'a' modifier allows very compact and elegant description of the Lion and such, the explanatory power has decreased to almost zero. You basically already have to understand the Lion before you can understand what aK means. To someone who had not digested the description at the top of the piece table, it would mean absolutely nothing. In the Chu-rules page on my XBoard website I describe Lion in Betza 2.0 as KNAD(cK-aK)(mK-bK), and this seems a much more intuitive description: all direct leaps, plus two special moves: capture as King followed by another (unrestricted) King move, and move (to empty) as King, and back, for a conditional null move. Even without going to Betza 2.0, using the 'a' modifier in stead, we could write a similar thing: KNADcaKmabK. This might seem 'needlessly' verbose to the equivalent aK, which makes use of the clever defaults of 'a' and the tricky use of (bent) hops to implement the KNAD. But to those not intimately familiar with these defaults, the verbosity is in fact a big help, explicitly attracting attention to what is possible, rather than hiding it. caK for capture and move again and mabK for move and move back is quite intuitive. The hook movers were already clear enough, as they made neither use of default modality of 'a' for the first leg, neither of default directionality for the second: masR. For the Eagle moves it might be better to write FAcabfFmabF, to stress the conditional null move as a move and back term, and the igui / hit-and-run as capture and then move again, back or further. Similarly, the Lion Dog could be written ADmabKcabfKpmcafpmcabfK rather than the maximally compact KavKafavK, for hop, move or capture, and then again hop, move or capture in the same direction, and finally move in or out. What do you think? H.G.Muller (talk) 16:46, 28 September 2014 (UTC)
@H.G.Muller: OK, I think this is better and clearer for readers who don't already know much about these variants (i.e. most of them). I think it's also good to spell things out, so that readers can compare the notation with the text description next to it and understand even better. Double sharp (talk) 03:01, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Livermorium[edit]

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Nikos Nikolaidis[edit]

This is, I simply have a dynamic IP address. I have attempted to add Nikolaidis' image and category to his template yet they only shows on Template:Films directed by Nikos Nikolaidis and do not appear on the individual pages contained therein. Could you please help me sort it out? Many thanks! (talk) 10:30, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

It's already appearing on the individual pages. I think you need to purge the page (i.e. clear your cache) to get it to show up, though. Double sharp (talk) 11:02, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
I can see it now too. Thanks! (talk) 11:20, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
By the way, the talk pages of each of the four existing articles about Nikolaidis' films request photos of their theatrical release posters. These are available at their respective IMDb pages which can be accessed in these entries' external links section. Would you it be possible for you to please kindly upload these poster images to Wikipedia when you have the time? Thanks! This is again. (talk) 09:31, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Sure: I will probably have some time this weekend. Double sharp (talk) 10:15, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks! Please leave a message at my talk page once you are done. (talk) 10:26, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Here, by the way, are the direct links to the posters of Morning Patrol, The Loser Takes It All, Sweet Gang, and Singapore Sling. (talk) 14:11, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Apologies: I've been more busy than I expected I would be for the last few days. I'll try to get it to it today or tomorrow if it is at all possible, though. Double sharp (talk) 05:04, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
Take your time. Nobody is in a rush. PS: If you will not be able to upload these posters via IMDb, they are also available at Nikolaidis' official website here, here, here, and here. (talk) 09:16, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
My IP address was once again changed to the one following this message (even though I have absolutely nothing to do with the edits contained therein), so please leave a message at that address' talk page rather than at any of the previous ones' once you are done. Thanks again! (talk) 09:06, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
Believe it or not but my IP changed once again within only a day! It might therefore be better in the current situation if you will just post your replies here once you are done rather than in any of my talk pages. Thanks and sorry for the mess. (talk) 09:03, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


I have a couple of words to say.

First, I finally realized I won't argue about how to build an FA. I can present my view on that, but there are other views on that which may still be right. Sandbh built metalloid a lot differently than how I would do it, and still succeeded (which is great). That is, you surely understand how I would write, say, alkali metal, but there's another reviewer and if you trust him or you believe him, do what he says. (This is more for me than for you, but I'm writing this anyway in case you want to, but are struggling to satisfy anyone)

Second, you're totally right about FAs. I don't expect our table to ever become ever-blue, but the most important articles should be blue. I'm glad you realize and support what I was getting at. Therefore, your offer on FAing Li or Be is very interesting for me. But

Third, I became very busy (thus tired when free) lately, and I don't expect that to change any time soon (speaking of years, not months). Last year was just the beginning. Plus, I'm losing my motivation. Worse still, I think this distracts me from what I really have to do (it's great to volunteer, but not when you have no spare time). I even think FAing At and 117 will be the last major changes done via this account, if I ever can get to that. If not, please do that. Both articles are only ref styling and copy editing away from getting their stars (astatine had a great CE in 2012, so no worries on that). They need no real work on them.

Fourth, you are a great editor and a great person to work with. I wish you luck for whatever goals you want to reach.--R8R (talk) 18:51, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your compliments! I will remember your words: you always make a lot of sense, no matter what you're talking about. (Yes, I was kinda trying to satisfy everyone, but I tend to believe him on the importance of chemistry as a section.) And sure, I will help you finish up At and E117 if you don't feel able to do it yourself anymore. (So I guess it means Al and Db are left to anyone who wants to do them, right?)
I wish you luck for everything you want to do, on WP as well as in real life. If you ever get enough time to come back regularly, please do! But even if you don't, you can always remember your work here by just Googling "fluorine", where your and TCO's FA is the top result. ;-) Double sharp (talk) 06:05, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Nice to know you're there to help when needed, and thank you for your words. I still plan to do those two myself (I don't mind some help on that; but I'm not yet asking for it either), but if I'm not able to, I'll let you know. Apparently, yes, I'll have to leave Db and Al.--R8R (talk) 19:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
@R8R Gtrs: (If you were wondering about the "I still got" that used to be here, this was something I started to type, changed my mind, and forgot to backspace; it's gone now.) Double sharp (talk) 10:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Radium[edit]

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Block (periodic table)[edit]

Your most recent edit to remove the clarification tag. Can you describe the, physical characteristic and reasoning, just briefly in a sentence or two, related to the group s2, without using numericals like code s1 in group 4x of configuration 92abf? It makes for much better content... I mean, if you said, "Heliums electrons spin counterclockwise unlike and so on..." And I know that's not it, but atomic spin is in the middle of much more complexity yet referred to and understood so easily. It spins. That spin varies. Each are categorised according to the variation of their spin. No b1s or c2s or xfs, just a load of c4? ~ R.T.G 16:17, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Replied at the Ref Desk (or rather, it soon will be: I'm composing the reply). Double sharp (talk) 16:30, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

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Beryllium toxicity and allergy past screwups[edit]

The problems with beryllium allergic disease (a.k.a. berylliosis, a.k.a. chronic beryllium (lung) disease), dates from April, 25, 2010 when user:Arcadian decided without discussion to carve a big chunk of the well-referenced material that had been recently added [2] to beryllium on "chronic beryllium disease", should be split out. He failed badly at WP:SS and left an inadequate summary in beryllium, which is why it all looks very mysterious there. Moreover, he didn't notice that there had been from 2008 already an article on berylliosis, so he moved the article material (including a lot of material much better on the topic of berylliosis than that already in berylliosis!) to a new article called beryllium poisoning, which now hides the best berylliosis info. This, even though berylliosis is NOT poisoning per se (chemical toxicity or poisoning), but rather the chronic allergic reaction. In March, 2011 the berylliosis talk page had a merge discussion in which a lot of people made various suggestions, but nothing happened. Most people working on beryllium don't even know there exists a beryllium poisoning article, and that this is where the info they are looking for on beryllium allergy, is hiding (some of it is even on the TALK page). All this due to very ham-handed editing.

If you-all want, I'll be WP:BOLD and fix it by moving the allergy info to berylliosis, and putting some summary of it back into beryllium. Or, do it yourselves. I had a lot of arguments at the time with some editor who had decided beryllium wasn't really an antigen, and prevented me from doing anything. User:Sbharris 00:06, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

I think you forgot radium[edit]

You left the radium GA nomination hanging! How can you ignore your own nomination? Parcly Taxel 00:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I didn't forget it, I just really do not have enough spare time at the moment to address the rest – many of which will require some research. The easy things have largely been done. If I get nine or ten moments I can do it, and I hope I can get that within a few days. Double sharp (talk) 06:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)