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Category:Wikipedia administrators? – S. Rich (talk) 15:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

No thanks. It's not compulsory, and I don't feel like it. DS (talk) 15:21, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Understood. You've got a great supercount, so I was wondering. – S. Rich (talk) 15:25, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Drop-in Fuels[edit]

Dear DragonflySixtyseven, I got a notification that you have reviewed my draft for the above topic. However, I am not clear whether my article has been accepted as it still shows the status: under review. Please let me know. Thanks Prithvi Simha 16:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prithvisimha092 (talkcontribs)

Thanks, Could you let me know when I can expect a review? I can judge by the amount of backlog Wikipedia has that you must be completely occupied. Prithvi Simha 16:41, 27 July 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prithvisimha092 (talkcontribs)


Hi! Here's FilBenLeafBoy and I'm glad that you approved my userpage... Thanks!!! ;-) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FilBenLeafBoy (talkcontribs) 20:11, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Review of my userpage[edit]

Hi. I got a notification that you reviewed my userpage, but I don't see anything. What happened? QiwXAatUnL (talk) 00:51, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Kim Revell[edit]

Why have you deleted Kim Revell? It might have been created by a banned "sockpuppet" but it was expanded by other editors and survived an AfD. You seem to have kept Bridgette Starr on that basis. Kindly put it back. (talk) 22:50, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops, you're right. DS (talk) 23:00, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


Estimated DragonflySixtyseven:

I do not know English. I'm not a puppet.

Regards: Girardelli G.EAA.svgEscucho 18:49, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

OIKOS Software page[edit]

I am confused why this was deleted. We rewrote a couple times. I recently wrote to: To: ________________________________________ I hereby affirm that OIKOS Software, Inc., is the creator and/or sole owner of the exclusive copyright of “OIKOS Software”. ® I agree to publish that work under the free license "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported". I acknowledge that by doing so I grant anyone the right to use the work in a commercial product or otherwise, and to modify it according to their needs, provided that they abide by the terms of the license and any other applicable laws. I am aware that this agreement is not limited to Wikipedia or related sites. I am aware that I always retain copyright of my work, and retain the right to be attributed in accordance with the license chosen. Modifications others make to the work will not be claimed to have been made by me. I acknowledge that I cannot withdraw this agreement, and that the content may or may not be kept permanently on a Wikimedia project. Janice Leahy, CEO August 5, 2014 OIKOS Software, Inc. 250 Commercial Street, STE 3012 Manchester, NH 03101


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Can you please tell me how to get the page reinstated?

(talk page stalker) I took a look at that page and have to agree with DragonflySixtyseven that it was far too promotional. It's so full of buzzwords that I had trouble determining what it meant to say. Or, "driving virility amongst professional users" - your products are making your customers more manly? Seriously? You may want to take a look at Wikipedia's guideline on conflicts of interest. I had intended to undelete the article and to have a community-based deletion discussion determine its fate, but this article was so bizarrely over-the-top promotional that doing so would just be a waste of everybody's time. It doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. Huon (talk) 20:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Can someone send me the file so we can edit and repost? Yes, maybe 'virility' wasn't the best choice of words. Our intention was the technology drives word of mouth. I don't have the original file. J Leahy — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaniceLeahy (talkcontribs) 15:32, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Request to revert your deletion[edit]

I would like to request you revert your deletion of File:Tom Carstairs In Concert.jpg. Contrary to your deletion rationale it was in use at Right to be forgotten, and consensus at WP:FFD was against deletion. Monty845 19:37, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm afraid we're not happy with the copyright status of the image, the photographer is unclear and it will be deleted here and on Commons as a copyright violation, Monty845. Nick (talk) 19:41, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
While we can certainly discuss that point, this is clearly not unambigious copyright infringement as required to justify speedy deletion. A deletion discussion was already underway prior to deletion, with an emergent consensus to keep. While we can have a deletion discussion on the copyright issue, the unilateral deletion was wrong. Monty845 19:47, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
You can't keep a copyright violation no matter what happens, it's pointless discussing an image with unclear and contradictory licencing status. Nick (talk) 19:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
F11 requires the article to be tagged for 7 days prior to deletion. The deletion is still not compliant with policy. Monty845 19:56, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I decline to restore the picture, as I have not been convinced either that there is any real reason for it to exist on Wikipedia (to illustrate 'people who wanted their embarrassing old selfies, originally uploaded to illustrate spam, taken off wikipedia'?), or that it should have been uploaded in the first place (uploader claimed it was a photo of Tom Carstairs, but uploader also claimed to be Tom Carstairs; at least one of these statements is necessarily false, and we therefore cannot trust any statements made re: copyright). That said, should a different administrator feel strongly enough to restore the picture, I won't argue the point. Bear in mind, however, the dangers of process masturbation. DS (talk) 19:59, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Well another admin is already promising to take it to DRV if Nick doesn't undo is redeletion, so I guess we will see where it goes. Don't want anyone to be able to accuse me of a WP:WHEEL violation given its been deleted twice now. I'm gonna go prepare a fair use template for the DRV just in case. Monty845 20:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I've no issue with it being used under the auspices of Fair Use, if you're prepared to deal with the fair use rationale, reduction of the image size, etc. Nick (talk) 20:15, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
If, after discussion, it is decided that the licensing is invalid, I am prepared to provide the fair use rationale and take care of the size reduction. Monty845 20:18, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
How/where would you want the licencing issues to be discussed ? I'd be inclined to suggest a Possible Unfree File discussion, that do ? Nick (talk) 20:21, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to be picky on that, personally, I'd just amend it to the existing FFD discussion under a subheading, but either way is fine. Monty845 20:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Possibly_unfree_files/2014_August_6#File:Tom_Carstairs_In_Concert.jpg - I've asked the closing administrator not to delete the image, if it's agreed the copyright information is unacceptable, so you guys can put on the fair use rationale. Nick (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm working on behalf of Mr.Williams and Plaid Cymru and we have decided it is best if he has a Wikipedia page as many people when searching for him don't find much information on him and with the elections people want to find as much as they can about a candidate before they vote for them, I would be very thankful if you reverted the deletion. I'm sorry that you saw it just as a cheap advertising ploy, but it really isn't about that it wasn't telling people why to vote for him, persuasion wasn't the text type, it was designed to inform, I thought that was the purpose of an encyclopaedia?

(talk page stalker) @TheunisGilasbey: You seem to mistake the purpose of Wikipedia. It's an encyclopedia, not a voter guide. We only cover subjects that meet certain standards of notability, and I don't see that Mr Williams does so. Members of Parliament are assumed to be notable (though evidence still needs to be given), but mere candidates for political office usually are not, with the exception of high-profile races that attract lots of media attention (say, US presidential races). For Mr Williams, all the third-party coverage you provided was a brief report in the local newspaper about his being chosen as candidate that did not provide any details about Mr Williams beyond his age. Let me give a historical analogy: We have an article on the Member of Parliament for Llanelly, 1922-1936. But would you really expect us to have articles on all those candidates who lost to him? Would there even be enough information to write articles about them beyond "was a losing candidate in the 19xx election"? Right now there's no indication there's more to be said about Mr Williams (except the "losing", of course). If he wins, then we can write an article about him. On an unrelated note, I also have to say that the article that was deleted was rather blatantly promotional, portraying Mr Williams in the best light possible and giving him a platform to present his views. For his own website or even for a voter guide that may be appropriate; for an encyclopedia we'd want a third-party assessment of Mr Williams. Compare the article on the 1920s politician; that's a much more neutral summary of his life, based on reliable, independent sources, not on his own pamphlets or journal. Huon (talk) 23:25, 8 December 2014 (UTC)


Thank-you for patrolling my page, Wiki's obviously incredibly backlogged at the moment so I hope it helps :) If you have the time, do you have any advice for improving the article? ( I'm new to Wikipedia and this is my first article so I'm still learning the ropes and getting used to it. Thanks again! Anthony Collier 00:16, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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catch your own world Sherry26 (talk) 13:25, 7 August 2014 (UTC)


I've received a notification that you reviewed a draft page I have in my userspace. I'm not sure what that means. Is there anything I should know?SPACKlick (talk) 13:50, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response. I wasn't aware of that partrol.SPACKlick (talk) 14:07, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

some reason for notability[edit]

hi, you recently deleted the page:Kashf Al Qemmah the reason mentioned is : (notability not asserted), this book counted as a source historical book among scholars in religions and sects ans also a dated book.. besides, as mentioned in references, some Articles in university referred to it as a important book in pertaining to understanding Shiites..Mehdi ghaed (talk) 16:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Maybe, but you didn't say anything about that. If you're willing to expand it to explain why the book matters, I'll restore it into your userspace, and you can work on it there until it's ready. Okay? DS (talk) 16:49, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
before anything I appreciate of you for pay attention to the page..but I added the references such as Pazuoki as a Article in journal of university..i added the the reason for notability and importance of book...Mehdi ghaed (talk) 17:46, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Hi Mehdi ghaed, DS has asked me to reply as he's away from his computer right now. You've shown the book exists and that it might be important, but you've not shown why exactly it is important (i.e why it is notable). There are tens of thousands of books written every year and to show that any one of those books is notable, you need to show it being extensively discussed by scholars in papers or presentations, reviewed by various sources when published, the book winning a major prize or being included in a list of important and influential works. These sources don't need to be online, they can be print reviews from several decades back, just make sure you let us know enough to allow an intrepid researcher to track down copies and use them in their own work. Hope this helps, Nick (talk) 19:39, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) @Mehdi ghaed: I just had a look at the article, and I couldn't verify even the existence of the sources you cite, much less what they say about the Kashf Al Qemmah. Every search I undertook, including WorldCat, at best turned up Wikipedia mirrors. That might be due to typos, but I'm rather concerned when I can't even verify that the conference whose proceedigs are cited took place. How would I obtain a copy of, say, Introducing the book of Kash Al Qemmah? Are there some English-language sources discussing the book? Also, the article did not say that this is a historical source for scholars. In fact, the only parts of the deleted article that come close to discussing the book's impact, instead of summarizing the content, were the "style" section (which gave no indication of notability) and the "translation" section, which listed translations without providing any useful information about them, not even when they were made or how they differ. I have restored the article and moved it to User:Mehdi ghaed/Kashf Al Qemmah, but it will need significant work to establish that the book is notable and to make sure that the article's content is verifiable. Huon (talk) 20:42, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

AN notice[edit]

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Michael Lennick[edit]

I sent my first ever article on “Michael Lennick” for review a few weeks ago. How long does vetting usually take? And will Wikipedia contact me with issues? — Preceding unsigned comment added by OwenLars66 (talkcontribs) 01:30, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

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Soffian Abdul Manaf[edit]

Hi there DragonflySixtyseven! I am currently trying to create a wiki page on this company I enjoy, Photobook Worldwide, which you had recently removed the draft from my sandbox and stating it as overly promotional. I’m a bit surprised by this because I figured it’s merely informational and not promotional since I had omitted certain facts which I think would be somewhat endorsing. I’m pretty new to Wiki so I may not be meeting some content guidelines here. If you don’t mind, please advise on what I did wrong and what necessary changes I should make to get the content up and running. Thanks.— comment added by Soffian Abdul Manaf (talk) 04:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Let me put it this way: If you don't consider "Their business is based on a unique selling proposition of 4 prime guarantees" to be "somewhat endorsing", I don't even want to know what the omitted parts would have said. The entire content, practically every single sentence, sang Photobook Worldwide's praise, was chock-full of marketing buzzwords, and cited no reliable sources. Huon (talk) 11:47, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt response! Appreciate it. Alright noted, I'll take your comments into account. I have however taken the information for Photobook Worldwide from their various sites such as official website, facebook and some articles. It was just a draft and I haven't gotten around to putting in the citations just yet as I temporarily didn't have internet connection. The wordings came from those sites as well. I also took examples from a similar company (Shutterfly) as a guide when I created this draft. I'm in no immediate rush to publish the page yet until I get it right, and am creating a similar one with the sole purpose to keep it as a draft for now. I hope you would consider not removing it until perhaps I present it to you or another admin for consideration. I apologize for having wasted your time and am still learning how things are run within wiki. — comment added by Soffian Abdul Manaf (talk) 08:43, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
The fact that you took the content from company websites may be related to the fact that it was unduly promotional. Wikipedia is not in the business of parroting company self-representations. Furthermore, there might be issues of copyright. You should instead summarize in your own words what reliable, independent sources such as newspapers or reputable tech magazines have reported about the company, and you should cite your sources. See WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily do so. See also WP:NPOV. Huon (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for all reviews[edit]

Hello DragonflySixtyseven, Once again, I want to thank you for the goodwork you do reviewing articles. Stanleytux (talk) 14:35, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Clearing the air, lets give it a try[edit]

Hey DragonflySixtyseven, as we had our conversation on IRC last night, I would like to continue the discussion here in a public forum instead of on IRC, so others can also comment, as there are more people involved than just you and I. For clarity, the reason I dismissed the ArbCom case request was because I was informed that ArbCom can't do crap all except remove administrative rights. That's not what I wanted and I thought they could do something like an injunction on your use of the unblock button without discussion IF the case didn't work to resolve the issue. So, my issue, and why I have issue with all the 5 incidents (though the last two are the ones that are relevant), is that you failed to just open up and talk to the administrator who originally made the block. I'm not here to dispute whether the blocks were right in the first place, because we all make mistakes, maybe my block was wrong in 2011, but i'm not here to say i'm right or wrong. My ultimate goal, where I would like this to go, is for you to consult administrators before unblocking. Mostly (because watch there will be one or two) every other administrator on this site follows the standard as it's outlined in WP:UNBLOCK. You've avoided the issue before by having it all disappear under a cloud, like in 2011 where you placed yourself under restriction which ended the incident. Here we are though in 2014 having the same issue. It's really simple to go and ask the original administrator about unblocking, and if they disagree with you, there is ANI, where you can get it reviewed by your peers, and the a consensus can be formed about the issue, and maybe the original admin's block is cleared. We might as well just get rid of ANI if were not willing to talk about it with anyone, as that's what it is for. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 14:42, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Can't; he quit and blocked himself. But I usually ask people who're involved; it's just in cases where I'm really concerned about BITE that I sometimes rush in. DS (talk) 14:58, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not asking you to go back to User:Toddst1 and talk to him about that block now. I was talking about at that point in time in which you made the unblock. I've also made good on blocks where people are mad that they are blocked, feeling like they are being bitten after talking with the appropriate administrators. If they are really that volatile, then what happens when they get fed up with the first conversation towards consensus that doesn't go their way? I don't see how BITE excuses the need to talk with other admins. And we aren't here to talk about the "usually" were here to talk about at least 2 of the 5 incidents where you haven't. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 15:32, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Frankly, DS, I did not know of your history until I saw DQ's edits and reverts. If I had, I doubt I would have accepted your promise or agreed to the close. At a minimum, I would have raised the issues that DQ now raises. And even your responses here presume that you know best (e.g., your BITE comment), which is the same impression I got at AN. I also found Floquenbeam's comments when he closed the topic interesting, mostly for what he didn't say. Even now I'm not sure what he meant.

Finally, it's not clear to me that what DQ was told about arbitration cases involving admins is accurate. I'm fairly certain I've seen administrators admonished and topic-banned rather than desysopped. I don't see why ArbCom can't fashion whatever remedy it chooses. Certainly, DQ can request a particular remedy so it's clear he's not asking for you to be desysopped. But that's up to DQ. I haven't decided whether I will do anything further at this point.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:04, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Since you ask, I'll pontificate after all: I think that an admin should block an editor without getting consensus first iff they are confident that they could get consensus for it if they needed to (mostly because getting consensus ahead of time would be a time sink 98% of the time). If another admin reasonably disagrees, the default state should usually be to unblock, pending a discussion (like BRD). If there's consensus to block after discussion, then block. if there's consensus to leave unblocked, or there is no consensus either way, then leave unblocked. I'm concerned that requiring the blocking admin to agree before unblocking, or requiring a consensus to unblock before unblocking, rather than requiring a consensus to block, sets a bad precedent, and leads us further down the path to "admins vs. peons". I think the current wording, where prior discussion with the blocking admin is strongly encouraged, but not required, strikes the proper fuzzy balance.
This is a difficult position to take when, like me, you generally believe blocks should come sooner than they sometimes do, and last longer than they sometimes do. Some people will end up unblocked doing it this way, who I would prefer remain blocked if I was God Emperor. But I'm more concerned about the overall slide towards the First Mover Advantage than I am with a few borderline cases being unblocked rather than blocked. That particular AN/ANI thread, and some of the admin comments in it, seemed to me as one more lurch in a direction I don't want Wikipedia to go. I wish DS67 had held off a little and discussed it first, and I think he risks damaging a principle he believes in by not discussing first whenever possible. But I wish even more Bbb23 hadn't opened that thread. Particularly when it appears to non-admins that we're more concerned with an admin's feelings about being reversed than with the blocked editor's feelings at being blocked.
I don't have an actual strong opinion on this particular editor who was unblocked; if anything, I probably would have blocked them too. But I'd love to see us be a little more tolerant of admins who give occasional (once every one to two years) undeserved second chances. I'd love to see more admins have an attitude of "please reverse any admin action I've made if you think it's a mistake, and we can talk about it". We expect editors to swallow their bile and do this in content disagreements all the time. Sometimes we block them when they don't do it. Why can't admins follow BRD for this kind of disagreement?
From what I saw of DQ's now-withdrawn post, some of DS67's unblockings have been mistakes. And I don't support this idea of "I'm keeping an eye on him, don't block yourself but talk to me", nor of unblocking people who are fairly obviously causing problems. But still, one unblock every one to two years that turns out to have been wrong... that's not really that bad.
So next time, think twice before wondering aloud what Floquenbeam thinks about something; he's liable to tell you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Your comments don't suprise me a bit. I didn't ping you because I thought you'd agree with me. As you know, this wouldn't be the first time we've disagreed, but I thought it was only fair - and I'm a big believer in fairness - to find out what you meant by your close.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:52, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Floquenbeam, your comments definitely made me think. My original request wasn't meant to be 100% of the time to request the original admins comments. I think a flow of common sense comes with that. Such as the admin not being around, or it being a mistake, or frankly just a purely stupid block (yes, i've seen them before). I've unblocked first before talking before also. It's the cases where the block was reasonably made, that I would like to see some attempt at discussion before unblock.
I think also if were going to say "admin should make sure they would have consensus to block" that we should be saying the same about unblock unless they have talked with the blocking administrator, like in cases of just holding on to hope of a second chance working. If we are a community of consensus, and admins are supposed to act on it, then the same standard needs to exist for unblocking. That's what I'm challenging here, is that there was minimal likelihood for unblock, yet it was still made without discussion.
As for the 1 or 2 bad unblocks a year thing, I can understand that everyone makes mistakes. But I think people should learn from their mistakes to not make them again, as we expect editors to do with dispute resolution. This is not the case with what i'm outlining with DS, he's making the same one. And it's not that he decided to unblock, it's a matter of when. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 01:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Right now, I've started the discussion process, and I think it would be stupid to repost the case at this point in time without trying to finish this discussion. But it has to remain mutual that this discussion is going somewhere and working to prevent the issue at hand and not dancing around it. I'm also not just going to accept a blanket response like in 2011, where there is a promise not to undo anyone's unblock. I'm not going to accept this thread going stale before it's resolved either. D67's responses here are critical. That's why the title of this thread is "Clearing the air, lets give it a try".
To be clear on what I'm looking for, it's for D67's understanding that the out-of-process unblocks are disruptive, even if he believes it's in the best interest of the project. I'm also looking for the understanding of what the process is if you disagree with the block (aka talking to the admin), and if the admin doesn't agree with you (taking it to ANI). It's a matter of protocol or "meta" as DS would call it (I think), and it's what holds us accountable to each other as admins, and it works. Otherwise we might as well create a "Chief admin" at Wikipedia for the person who can fight long enough to hold their administrative action.
As I've been talking to more people, it seems like what I was notified of was more a what ArbCom can vs. will do, though i'm not 100% on that either. I'll try and talk to some individual Arbs or might even go to WT:ARB to find out, to make sure i'm on the right page for the future, if it ever comes to refile, which I hope it doesn't. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 23:40, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
In Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Tea Party movement Arthur Rubin was topic-banned. In Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes, then administrator Nikkimaria was admonished. And in perhaps the one most similar to this one in terms of administrative privileges, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Manning naming dispute, among other remedies, David Gerard was "indefinitely prohibited from using his administrator permissions (i) on pages relating to transgender people or issues and (ii) in situations involving such pages." I'm fairly certain there are others if I continued to look.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:08, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Bbb23, thank you for that. I will keep that in mind if this comes to a true request for a case, and not the current "procedural" case. And I would have stuck with the original case, if I had the correct information, but now that I have started the discussion, I would be hypocritical to continue to request the case while trying to resolve it through other means. -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 01:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration request restored[edit]

I have restored the arbitration case request. The committee's procedures prohibit the withdrawal of unresolved arbitration requests. AGK [•] 10:39, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

RNLB Charles Burton[edit]

Hi Dragonfly I have gone round the block prior to this being my last resort, I have had my page reviewed twice and I have made the changes previously stated, You have recently reviewed my page but do not seem to have left any comment on the matter, I am currently at a loss as to what to do next with the article. Any reference to this matter would be much appreciated. Wikiremarks (talk) 12:05, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

"Reception" section on the Clans of the Alphane Moon article[edit]

Hi DF67, I apologise if I'm doing something incorrect here. I have to admit this is my first attempt to contribute to Wikipedia.

I was cruising some topics yesterday and stumbled across the article for Clans of the Alphane Moon book which I read many years ago. I was surprised by the Reception section because... 1) it was so negative 2) in my opinion "Reception" discusses how a book was received when it came out, and I was surprised that there were links to reviews on a book that came out in 1964.

However, following that link I discovered that the article referenced in the Reception section was from 2014. The other thing I found out was it was a fairly extreme opinion piece, written with a very new-millenium PC overtones, criticising works from 50 years ago from that perspective. It was a different (and very low-budget) world back then. If you read the comments section of this blog post Sandra Newman gets pretty soundly criticised for this article as being biased and unfair. It also deals with CotAM quite cursorially - there are only 8 sentences about the book.

I'm not sure if that matters in Wikipedia. I guess you can find an article on the internet that takes any view on any subject and reference it. Is there a criteria that makes a reference good or bad?

In my opinion, I don't think the section you've added is fair as it quotes a fairly extreme and biased article. Also I think that there is no date in the wikipedia text and it is listed under "reception" makes it seem like a contemporary review which it is not. My thought was that either the section should be simply removed, (i.e. undo those changes) or modified to at least include the date of the article (i.e. something like:

Writing in the Guardian *BooksBlog in 2014*, Sandra Newman cites ...

I thought of diving in and making changes myself... but I am loathe to start "correcting" a contribution done by an experienced wikipedia contributor. I don't want to offend you or do something that is against wikipedia policies, of which I don't have a lot of experience. My impression is that the most important policy of editing wikipedia is "don't put in your opinion, use 3rd party material and cite your references", and taking your contribution out smacks to me of just thinking "this 3rd party reference is not fair or credible" and how do I justify that? So maybe just making it clear the date it was written.

I dunno - hope this isn't offensive to you - I'm just trying to do what I feel is right but need guidance.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:22, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops - also should this discussion be held on the page in question or here. I couldn't see a way to add information on the talk page of the book page but that could be because I'm clueless.

However, I have at least created a user account (yay!) so hopefully I can sign this. Or at least watch it.

As per your suggestion, I've added a note that this was something said in 2014. The responses in the Guardian's comments section, however, I will not be adding, because it's just the comments section after an article. DS (talk) 02:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your Reviews[edit]

I just wanted to thank you for reviewing so many of my articles. I appreciate the concern you admins show for the integrity of this platform and for the service it offers to people. --3world Kid (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Review of me[edit]

Hi, just wanted to ask why you reviewed my account. Were there any red flags? dnsla23 18:47, 14 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnsla (talkcontribs)

Deletion of The Chelyabinsk Superbolide: we didn't see that one coming (e-book)[edit]

I would like to enquire on the deletion of that page. I never received any warning about the page being voted for deletion, that should be mandatory, I believe. Wikipedia is a "democratic" device and as such deletions should proceed in a "civilized" manner not as "sudden events". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starcluster (talkcontribs) 08:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

You were not notified of a deletion debate because there was no deletion debate. The page was deleted because it made no comments whatsoever about notability. It's an e-book! Written by... someone who wrote "one of the first published solutions for the orbit of the parent body" of the meteor! Published by... some company that doesn't seem to exist outside of having published this one e-book! Sourced to... the page that lets you buy a copy of the e-book! So that's basically a "buy this book" thing. There was also a summary of the contents of the book (described as "easy to read"), and some references to New Scientist and JPL... except that those references don't say anything about this e-book at all, they're references to support some statements that the e-book makes (#1: there was an asteroid near-collision in 2002, and #2: the risk of an asteroid impact is not significantly higher today than it was 100 years ago). That says nothing about why anyone should care, unless they're trying to sell copies of the e-book, in which case they're doing it in entirely the wrong place. In summary: should there have been a Wikipedia article about this e-book? Not unless there's actually information about why anybody should care about this e-book as opposed to all the other e-books -- and if that information exists, then why wasn't it in the article? Yes, articles can always be improved, but they have to start somewhere. And the only place that article started was the "BUY THIS BOOK" page on Amazon. So that's why the article was deleted: it made zero assertions of notability. DS (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Arbitration case request declined[edit]

An arbitration case request in which you were named as a party has been withdrawn, and that withdrawal has been accepted by the Arbitration Committee. The arbitrators views on hearing this matter, found here, may be useful. For the arbitration committee,--S Philbrick(Talk) 12:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your review of the Ernest Hinton biography page - Kent Kllwiki (talk) 13:15, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Reviewing pages[edit]

Hi, thanks for reviewing my page and also I got an award from another user, keep up the good work! --Allen talk 00:14, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Have a good old crumbly New Yorker cookie[edit]

Choco chip cookie.png ... since I just realised you have literally reviewed dozens of articles of mine - thanks! Kareldorado (talk) 18:09, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Suspected Sock[edit]

Hello DragonflySixtyseven, User:Coal Press Nation 1 who just created the article Nosa (artist) is a sock puppet of User:Coal Press Nation, an account that was blocked by another Admin not long ago. This user seems to have decided to evade the block and create new articles under new usernames. It is just like the case of User:MarkMysoe. Stanleytux (talk) 19:11, 22 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi, please create a redirect page for 'Urimai Kural' to Urimaikural as the page 'Urimai Kural' was deleted on 2009 and locked only for administrators.Vaidyasr (talk) 13:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Done -- the one that was deleted in 2009 was for a movie that hadn't been made, but if you want to point to a movie from 1974, that's not a problem. DS (talk) 13:41, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Advice on Userspace Drafts[edit]

Hi DS-

I've noticed that you have assessed several of my userespace drafts. I understand that this SOP and am grateful.

My question actually is whether you have any advice about the most beneficial strategy, that is, whether to futz around developing drafts until they seem worth moving to the main space or whether it's better to move them as substantial stubs (i.e. two or three paragraphs). Does the userspace take up Wikipedia's mainframe space or overheat it? Do you have any observations about the psychology of it?

No rush or need for an elaborate answer if you don't feel like one. It's a matter of curiosity about the etiquette and the norms more than about policy.

Cheers, ch (talk) 16:59, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Reviewed Pages: bodrad[edit]

Thanks for reviewing my article. I noticed that it has not yet been moved to the main article space, and after reviewing other messages on your Talk page, I assume you did a patrol of the article. Is that correct? That is a new concept to me so I just wanted to be sure. Does this mean the article is still in the queue to be moved to the main space? Thanks for your time and the review! (talk) 01:53, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Correct; it's still in the queue. DS (talk) 02:28, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Important Note[edit]

You described my edit to the Christine Lagarde page as "hostile", yet all I did was add the simple fact of the reported raid on her home in the course of the investigation. Lagarde is a prominent international figure. The state of formal investigations involving her activities are important facts about her progress in the public sphere. There was simply nothing "hostile" about the sentence added by me. There is more hostility (though not much) in your commenting as you have than in the contribution made by me (zero). user: sirlanz

That's not at all what I was referring to. I was referring to your creation of a userpage for another user (a userpage which I deleted). You may be engaged in a dispute with that other user, but that's no excuse for creating that sort of userpage. DS (talk) 02:46, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Wilfred Risdon[edit]

Hi DragonflySixtyseven.

Thanks for reviewing my article Wilfred_Risdon; I'm guessing from my current reading of the article and the √ in the review that you consider that it 'passed muster', about which I am most gratified. I did revert one change though, which I hope you will accommodate: to some extent I think there is a British/American divide on this one, but I find hanging apostrophes [as shown here in Charles'] visually inelegant [and actually grammatically wrong in the singular, but I wouldn't argue that one: I think it is more of a style issue].

Keep up the good work. Jonrisdon (talk) 10:49, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Liberation Day[edit]

Hi, the notability of the source can be assessed from:

Allow me to re-create the page and add the proper references, thank you.

Dark Liberty (talk) 01:06, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm sorry, I looked at those references. They don't indicate any notability whatsoever. They confirm that the game existed, yes, but that's not enough. Gamespot says "not reviewed" and "there are no articles or videos for Liberation Day". IGN includes an ultra-brief description of the game that might as well have come from the game box, and then nothing. And the youtube link is just music (from the game?) played over a montage of still images (from the game?) and photos of the game CD. Please read our guidelines on notability. DS (talk) 01:16, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
I know what you mean. Half the articles on Wikipedia should be deleted or cut down in size. for example, the article has a bunch of b.s. (Maybe you should delete the second paragraph or the entire article. :) Liberation Day in particular, though, sold a few million copies. Sometimes when a company bankrupts, so does the notability along with it. I'll write a few reviews and perhaps upload a few YouTube videos; it's actually a predecessor which many video game companies copied from. In a few years when people start to rediscover this game they once played, maybe I'll resubmit this ticket. Thank you for reviewing the case.
Dark Liberty (talk) 03:16, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
If you could find reviews from back in the day, when Liberation Day was selling millions of copies, that would help. And you're free to trim the article about the virus writer, or even to tag it for deletion. DS (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you![edit]


99+ notifications lol, this reply isn't necessary your just doing your thing but i had to

WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 16:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Request for undelete - Draft:Red Flush Casino[edit]

Hi DragonflySixtyseven,

I would like to please request that you please undelete the draft Red Flush Casino. I am learning how to appropriately present information for Wikipedia and would like to edit the article to this end. I now understand that there are sections of the article that are promotional as well as how to present the draft neutrally for consideration. I appreciate your time and trust that you would be able to assist me with this request.

Thanks you, Human49 (talk) 06:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I'd need to see some evidence of notability first. If you can show me media coverage, that'll help. DS (talk) 13:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

To DragonflySixtyseven: Re My first attempt at writing a page, Ronald L. Dirsmith

(If, conversely, only one person was ever using it, then please post a message on this page to the effect of "regardless of the dual implications of my username, only one person is using this account.")

Yes, I am the only person writing this article ...

It is my first time and quite a challenge to even begiin to understand f the very well written requirements. PLease bear with me during this learning period. In fact, if you could suggest a couple of things for me to learn, I will try.

Many thanks to whoever you are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2BondedForLIfe (talkcontribs) 01:33, 29 August 2014 (UTC)



I would be greatful if you could revdel this lot on this page. It is a copyvio of [1], [2] and [3], among others. Semi-protection may also be warrented, as user appears to have ownership issues per User talk:Mdann52#COMSATS Thanks, --Mdann52talk to me! 13:48, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

You've got mail![edit]

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not sure of significance of "reviewed".[edit]

Just picked up an e-mail that says User:ThoughtIdRetired/draft article on Composite Construction (ship, 19th Century) was reviewed by DragonflySixtyseven. Not sure what this means, but I presume that you are the person to ask? I have just added to the Talk page for this article, explaining why I have stopped working on it at the moment. I hope, however, to have a fully referenced, authoritative, and complete explanation of this technique and its relevance as soon as I can get sight of the sources I have identified. ThoughtIdRetired (talk) 21:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Thank you for moving my article from Rao Bahadhur Dharmapravartha Gubbi Thotadappa to Gubbi Thotadappa. did u reviewed it?? since i'm new here. this is ma first msg. u r admin?? what it means. . NaveenNkadalaveni (talk) 14:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you![edit]

A small cup of coffee.JPG Thank you for moving my article from Rao Bahadhur Dharmapravartha Gubbi Thotadappa to Gubbi Thotadappa. did u reviewed it?? since i'm new here. this is ma first msg. u r admin?? what it means. . NaveenNkadalaveni (talk) 14:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome; I skimmed it and it looks okay (although it needs a lot of work); yes, I'm an admin, which means I can delete and restore articles, change editing permissions on articles, and block and unblock users. DS (talk) 14:03, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Request for undelete Nizamuddin Hussainy[edit]

Hi I am Abubakar Siddiki,and i saw that above mentioned page has been deleted and i am sure that it is true about this person,I am a nearest one to him.Which i noticed on his page were appropriate.So kindly restore this article.Plz plz i will be appreciated of you, so kindly do this plz.Please Sir. Thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bittu Mondal Jhuruli (talkcontribs) 04:03, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Three word budget[edit]

Thanks for reviewing the article "Three word budget" in my namespace (about three weeks ago). Is it suitable for release, do you think?

An earlier version was speedy deleted ("no indication of importance") while I was drafting it, and I feel I have now addressed this, and notability in general.

Thanks, NingBing (talk) 21:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC)


Dear DragonflySixtyseven

I have received this notification: “Draft:Zwetschge was reviewed by DragonflySixtyseven 9 hours ago.” The review status of the draft article has not visibly changed; it has been neither accepted nor declined. I can see no comment, suggestion, edit, or other indication of any outcome of the review. Is that as you would expect, or has something gone wrong somewhere?

Thanks and best wishes

Frans Fowler (talk) 11:22, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for reviewing[edit]

Hi DragonflySixtyseven,

Thanks for reviewing my recent articles. Many are yet to be reviewed, hope u will have a look into that. Thanks again.

jai98 (talk) 19:54, 07 September 2014 (UTC)


Just a quick message of gratitude for patrolling my recently created articles.

Thank you! - SweetNightmares 21:14, 7 September 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for viewing 22 articles of mine. Most admins aren't as quick as you are. :P Eden10Hazard (talk) 18:34, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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My blog File 770 is the source of this picture and I have a comment about the title assigned to the image file. (The rest of the article seems fine to me, and I know the photograper Tarpinian has no problem with the use of the image itself.)

While it might make a better story, the expression on Ray's face wasn't shock. The expression is just the byproduct of somebody with bad eyesight trying to view a computer screen. The photographer, Tarpinian, says Bradbury was delighted by the video the first time he saw it.

I suggest it would enhance the accuracy of the entry if the image file was given a different title. MikeGlyer (talk) 20:13, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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My sandbox review[edit]

Hey I got mail notification:

User:Dkorostil/sandbox was reviewed by DragonflySixtyseven.

How could you do so? What does it mean? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Sebuah BintangWiki untuk Anda![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png BintangWiki Asli
Salam sehat dan ceria selalu ya kang. Tuvlihadi (talk) 14:41, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

No point in reviewing _me_[edit]

. . . I simply made a very small attempt to add something and got booted in the teeth and then ignored. Not really motivated right now, which is sad, because the subject of the article I submitted is a person cited here on Wikipedia as someone who has made notable contributions.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Myrrhis01 (talkcontribs) 18:06, 17 September 2014 (UTC) 

Arctic Moon[edit]

Aloha Dragon! Thank you for reviewing my Jordan Suckley article that I wrote. If possible, at your convienience, please review the Arctic Moon article. It has been nominated for speedy deletion for poor citations, however its not much different from my Jordan Suckley article. If I did something wrong please let me know, otherwise thanks for your great work and contributions! Peterchiapperino (talk) 02:35, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

I Blame Coco[edit]

Dear Dragon - I saw your name on said talk page and wondered if you could help with the migration/consolidation necessary now that Eliot Sumner has started using her real name and released an EP in August with a record due next year. I removed the Eliot Sumner redirect to I Blame Coco, and added the beginnings of both a Eliot Sumner page and Information page. I am not equipped to handle the more technical parts of these pages at this moment, and I thought it polite to alert someone before I made wholesale changes to a page others had worked on.Gavin.s (talk) 23:25, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, and sorry to go rogue on you there. I'm just glad I did ask before I edited anyone else's content. One more request - could you point me to the page that explains how to insert a new entry into a discography? That looked a bit complex. Thanks. Gavin.s (talk) 04:42, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

Missing Records of Article Edits[edit]

Hi DragonflySixtyseven,

I helped edit an article on the Wikipedia, and my account does not show a record of the edits I made. Can you help me find a record of the edits I made?


NicholasDiCostanzo NicholasDiCostanzo (talk) 22:33, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

You have no deleted edits; if a given edit is missing from your contributions list, perhaps you were accidentally logged out when you made it? DS (talk) 00:15, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Nevermind. Thank you for responding.

NicholasDiCostanzo (talk) 04:50, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi DragonflySixtyseven,

I've got a notification "Draft:CryptoNote was reviewed by DragonflySixtyseven". Does this mean that I can move CryptoNote to the article space myself? Or does this mean that there is something wrong with the CryptoNote article?

Thanks and best wishes --MARIODOESBREAKFAST (talk) 13:48, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Devendra Fadnavis[edit]

The page, Devendra Fadnavis, rather looks like an endorsement article. Please take necessary steps to make it a "Wikipedia" article.

Sacramento Comedy Spot[edit]


I am about to start my first article (yay!) and have been a contributor for many years.

I see that you deleted an article about The Sacramento Comedy Spot last year, so I am writing you to inform you that this is the page I am working on. I do not know the content of the previous page, so I do not know the extent of the sources and evidence to show notability. I am confident that this subject is both notable and that I can demonstrate it.


Thank you! DFS (talk) 03:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Unblock on hold[edit]

Opinion is divided, but there are at least a couple of admins who would not have blocked at User talk:OsamaBinLogin. Are you willing to reconsider? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 16:23, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

That welter of game stubs[edit]

I am concerned that these set an incorrect expectation for our readership, but I cannot spot a CSD category that works for them. I fear this requires AfDs. The editor who created them really ought to be persuaded to CSD them as author where there is no meat present. Multiple AfDs will be annoying and a lot of work. a bulk AfD is likely to fail based on a potential gaming claque that drives a coach and horses through WP:GNG because they like games. I think the editor has his heart in the right place, but that his head is not in the same place. Fiddle Faddle 17:58, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

I am content, for the moment, to follow your lead. Fiddle Faddle 18:43, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Overly promotional article[edit]

Hello, I've just read that my article about was deleted and the main reason was stated as "overly promotional". Would it be possible to get some more feedback? Or some guidelines on how to create one that would be taken as subjective cause I tried my best to keep it that way. The waiting time to get the article reviewed is a little long and it's not my first time trying to create it so I would appreciate some help. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Algernoncadwallader (talkcontribs) 09:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for your help earlier today. I'm relatively new to Wikipedia as an editor ("first-time caller, long-time listener," if you will) and I really appreciate your patience and understanding. I hope we cross electronic paths again sometime soon!

Sambres8 (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

1991 UNCAF Nations Cup[edit]


I see you added a few Copa Centroamericana pages to your watchlist. I don't suppose you could take the time to review the above mentioned article? I really do think it is good enough to be a GA.

Thanks. Hawaiifive0 (talk) 14:51, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Take care with deletions[edit]

I have restored AtheistTV. It appears from the logs that you deleted it unilaterally without discussion, and without anyone nominating or proposing it for deletion. I do not see any speedy deletion criterion that would qualify it for deletion, particularly for the reason given in the log, since the lead sentence asserted significance, disqualifying it for deletion in accordance with WP:CSD#A7. The article does not appear to be promotional either.

That said, I do have notability concerns about the topic, so it would be best to take it to AFD if you believe it should be deleted. ~Amatulić (talk) 20:57, 17 October 2014 (UTC)

Russ Bellant[edit]

I noticed that you reviewed my recently created article Russ Bellant. Thank you. I am writing this to ask a question. Shortly after I wrote this article, a certain editor deleted half of it. The same individual has often deleted stuff in other articles too. They are always articles having to do with right-wing politics, anti-semitism, and so on. The reason given is always some legalistic statement about sources and references. My feeling is that this person has a political agenda. My question - are these deletions really valid? You do not need to respond to me if you are too busy. Just asking

Again, thank you for your dedication and hard work in administering Wikipedia. You are a WikiGnome supreme.--Foobarnix (talk) 15:04, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

request help updating a link to the source of my contribution to an article[edit]


I just read the notification that you patrolled me. Not sure exactly what that means, but I guess you looked over my changes to the Cecil Taylor article. I'm taking the notification to mean you're the one person at Wikipedia who saw and is familiar with my minor contributions.

Because I just noticed that PGN Philadelphia Gay News, the source of my contribution, has changed the format of its links, the link to the source of my one-sentence addition is currently incorrect. The new correct link is .

I went to just change this in the References section (reference #12), but encountered
Reflist" [in 2 {}curly brackets].

I don't frequent Wikipedia enough to know what to do now.

Sure, I could research it, but - please Forgive me if this seems lazy on my part - perhaps I could just ask you to make the change to the link? I started this message to you thinking I would ask you to explain what to do or to point me at the link, but I'm sure I could search and find it. I just imagine it'd take longer to do that to write to you. I'm just not going to be that kind of committed to the process - which explains why, despite wishing I could add much more, up to articles, to Wikipedia (especially about musicians who are Gay, music by them is one of my concentrations) I just have not done it.

Thank you. If you need to contact me, you can use the email my logon is registered with. That's how infrequently I log into Wikipedia; I won't see a reply from you for months otherwise. Thanks again for your help. Bill BillStella (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2014 (UTC)


It says you patrolled me, I just wanted to know what that means. It sounds negative so was wondering if I had done something wrong? Thanks --Zj007ny (talk) 14:34, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining! --Zj007ny (talk) 14:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)


Hello Dragonfly - I saw that you patrolled my article on Wheatley School (the one in St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada). Thanks. I used to be able to use/create articles on Wikipedia but it has been a while and things have changed. I am now having trouble moving that article out of my sandbox and into Wikipedia. Can you please assist? Also, I want the new article to link on this disambiguation page:

Appreciate any help you can provide. Dinesh S. Parakh Dsparakh (talk) 13:40, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

seperate message from seperate user: Electrick_Dragon[edit]

I am unable to post 'talk' or messages in here, so I have to edit someone els'es comments (wow, instead of admins 'patrolling' pages, maybe they should suggest problems to fix.. like easier Talk Messages.. still didn't find. ANd even if you tell me later how to, it still means it was not easy to find and others too may find it impossible __________________________________

My page was "Patrolled', .. several of my pages... So I see others have questioned you about this, but you haven't answered? Mine is a book, so 'patrolling' is kinda silly, as any pages I have are in actuality someone elses... ____________________________ How does one print a PDF version of the book?? That is, I've tried, but every time there is a 'problem with te bundler'.. are there too many pages in my book? WHy doesn't wikipedia set a limit then?

I can't answer questions about printing PDFs, sorry. Have you tried asking here? Also, the reason it looks like I haven't answered questions is that I usually answer them on the talk page of the asker. DS (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)


I appreciate for reviewing my article. I understand the huge backlog in the Wikipedia. (talk) 14:12, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

from Emma. Just hello. I haven't actually got a clue how to use the collaborative push - hence me piggy-backing on another's comment. I like the fact that you put your self out into the world. I like that you take risks. Keep on doing. x

Bronisław Urbański[edit]

I thought about it, it's definitely deletable. So far the guy's only claim to notoriety judging by the sources provided is... the fact that he arrived to Australia. What's more, I'm pretty confident that the author (apparently the son of the subject in RL) did a quick internet search and combined his father's stories with info on two other WWII people named Bronisław Urbański, one who was killed after the war and another one who perished in the Katyn massacre. I couldn't find any sources on this particular Urbański anywhere except for the ship manifest.

On the other hand the article was so awkwardly cute in some way, and I would hate to AfD it as there was so much work put into it apparently. Which is why I'm waiting for the author to clarify some things. Most notably, the article mentions he used other names throughout the war and there is a chance those pseudonyms might appear in written sources. I'm not sure it's worth the effort as the author did not edit any other articles and I doubt he ever will, but I really don't like driving people away from Wikipedia... Anyway, what do you suggest? //Halibutt 08:21, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Judging by the author's comment at my talk, there's no other option. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bronisław Urbański. //Halibutt 00:45, 26 October 2014 (UTC)


It is located about 1/3 down this page: [4] below the caption: Children of MONICA KINGSTON and WILLIAM VICKERS are: and it also states the hospital he was born in. CanadaOlympic989 (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

patrolling me[edit]

hi, I saw the notification of you patrolling my profile, can I ask you what kind of check where you doing? thanks Fabiozib (talk) 10:46, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

thanks, it sounded scary at first ;) --Fabiozib (talk) 09:45, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Patrol Notice?[edit]

Hi, I also received notifications that you are patrolling my profile (specifically the Wikipedia Adventure) and I'd like to know why? I'm new (obviously) here so I don't know what patrolling is about. Cyberathenaeum (talk) 9:42, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Dragonfly[edit]

Thanks for your patrolling of my pages. I didn't know about the "singe source" notification, but will go back and include it on on my pages. Question: I created a page for Hominy School, which is listed in Osage County, Oklahoma's Register of Historic Places as #88001183. However, I can't find it on the web. Do you have a suggestion for how I can find the nomination form? ThanksSteven C. Price 14:29, 30 October 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven C. Price (talkcontribs)


I wrote an article named 'Nishith Rater Bibhishika' and I saw you deleted it. There were no copyright violation in the image and the information are provided. Please restore my article, it was about a recently released book. So please, I request you to revert my article. Thank you

Sorry for the Errors[edit]

I'm extremely sorry the errors. But I can prove that the book actually exists. It has just been released a couple of months ago. Please tell me how would you like me to prove the notability? Can I show you some exclusive pictures of the book? Or, the book is likely to have a review from a leading Bengali critic magazine very soon. Should I wait till then and show you the critic response? Please tell me what to do to get the article restored? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:47, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Wait until it gets reviews from leading critic magazines, yes. DS (talk) 12:25, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

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Hi DragonflySixtyseven,

Thanks for patrolling twenty (!) of my articles, you're doing a hell of a job here. Cheers Eden10Hazard (talk) 22:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

A question[edit]


I'm new to wikipedia editing. What does it mean you patrolled me? 8bitbus (talk) 10:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

I dont think i am a sock puppet i am pretty young to be one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khana1054.213 (talkcontribs) 15:15, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Pollen (Game) page deletion[edit]

I noticed you had deleted the page for the game Pollen which I had made. It had been marked that the project was not significant? The page already had links to the Road to VR news site (main news site of VR development) where they covered the game for over an hour of interview and several pics. The page was also included to the list of Oculus Rift games. If it was due to amount of content on the page I didn't want to bloat the article with excess info, but just to state the facts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sinerma (talkcontribs) 19:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

The deletion did not say "not notable", it said "notability not asserted". That means that you, Sinerma, did not do anything to show why it was notable. You said it's an upcoming video game, optimized for Oculus Rift, estimated release in 2015, and... that's it. So what? That says nothing about why anyone should care. Is it the latest huge project by a mega-successful corporation? Is it the delusional plan of some self-taught 15-year-old who has no idea what he's doing? I have no idea, because you didn't say any of that. DS (talk) 19:33, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thank you for being more precise. Its been a while since I made wiki pages and I didn't understand the statement of 'notability not asserted'. Originally I did not want bloat the article, but I can add more info to it and define the articles notability.

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A small cup of coffee.JPG Hi DragonflySixtyseven, This is just to thank you for patrolling my articles. Cheers! Ashish Lohorung (talk) 21:58, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Confused How to submit the Draft[edit]

Dear DragonflySixtyseven,

I have been working on creating this page titled 'Dr. Jagannath Wani' form my username Sachsach. You have patrolled the page. I have completed the page but there is no link for Submitting the draft. In haste I created a new user account in wikipedia and tried experimenting through that. Nothing is working. Please help me how to submit this page. Please note that username Sachsach also belongs to me and this 'Amazingnaive' account I created since I thought there is some problem in my account itself. I hope to get your help soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amazingnaive (talkcontribs) 11:27, November 13, 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@Sachsach: First of all, sticking to one username is a very good idea; while alternative accounts are allowed in rather specific cases, they raise the spectre of sockpuppetry, and it's best to avoid that. I'd suggest you simply abandon the "Amazingnaive" account. Secondly, when you moved that page out of your sandbox, you turned it into a live article, Jagannath Wani. It doesn't need to be submitted for a review. It will need quite a bit of work, though, particularly regarding the referencing. For example, the "Early life and education" section doesn't cite any sources at all. I've done some copyediting, removed the least reliable sources, fixed the categories and reworded the lead a little, but that's just a beginning. WP:Overlinking may also be of interest. Huon (talk) 18:55, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank You for your prompt help DragonflySixtyseven[edit]

I am really thankful to you for sorting out my doubts. I am sorry if unknowingly I have violated the ethics of Wikipedia by creating multiple accounts. On your suggestion I will only use one of them for my work in Wiki.

Please suggest me some tutorial videos, pages which will enable a beginner like me to learn more about editing, creating pages worth for Wiki. I would love to contribute but my lack of knowledge of certain terminologies here hinders my ability to contribute.

What is meant by "patrolled"[edit]

Hi DragonflySixtyseven. I got a alert that you patrolled my sandbox. What does that mean? AlbinoFerret 02:58, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the very fast and interesting answer. I was unaware patrolling existed. But in a large site like WP its is probably very needed. Thanks for keeping WP safe. :) AlbinoFerret 03:04, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


Under which speedy deletion criterion was this file deleted? --Stefan2 (talk) 14:20, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Given that two separate users had, at two different dates, uploaded identical versions of that horribly low-quality picture -- "WillaimMartinPhoto.jpg" and "William Martin Official Photo.jpg" -- and both of them labeled it as "own work", I concluded that it was in fact by neither of them, and thus had a bad license. As well, since it was not used in any article, there was no point in writing up a FUR for the file (either copy). So I deleted it (both copies). It's a horribly bad image. It was useless. It doesn't need to be here. It wasn't free. It was badly licensed. It wasn't being used.

Good enough? DS (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I didn't realise that files were uploaded by different users. In that case, I agree that there are copyright problems. --Stefan2 (talk) 18:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

User Rights[edit]

Hope you would fine. I am working on List of railway stations in Pakistan, my working notes is at User:امین اکبر/railway station in Pakistan. In first phase i created basic pages. Now i am inserting further information to each page. Now i have to insert categories in each page. Is there any way by which i can do this with speed? At Urdu wikipedia I can insert category by clicking plus sign in the bottom of page. Is there any feature here?Ameen Akbar (talk) 13:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your guidance and quick reply.Ameen Akbar (talk) 14:37, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Boginja (Josipa Lisac album - cover art).jpg[edit]

It seems like you inadvertently renamed the article instead of the file - just a heads up... GregorB (talk) 11:56, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Gerard Sweetman entry[edit]

Hello Dragonflysixtyseven,

Thank you for your entry about Gerard Sweetman. I noticed you left comments saying it would benefit from more detailed information about his career etc. Im a relative, can I email that information to you? Also, there are a few inaccuracies in the current article. I'm not sure how Wiki works but can i send you my email address here (privately) so we can contact each other and I could send you a draft? Many thanks Regards Foscot21 (talk) 04:31, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm terribly sorry, but there appears to be some confusion. I've never edited the article about Gerard Sweetman, or left any comments on how the article could be improved. As for how you can expand and correct the article: just click 'edit' and do it. Make sure to supply references, and to use an edit summary. DS (talk) 04:46, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

ok, sorry about that. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foscot21 (talkcontribs) 21:19, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Vincenzo Pastore[edit]

Hello, I came across this article, Vincenzo Pastore (history). I've noticed it's been deleted in the past, and was also reviewed and not accepted at WP:AFC in November 2012. I thought I should bring this to your attention since you deleted the article previously. I don't think it meets notability standards.

--hmich176 17:04, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you for patrolling my page!![edit]

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I saw below as notification:
Draft:Nancy D Erbe was patrolled by DragonflySixtyseven

Thanks! I am new here ! Surance (talk) 22:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Convert this user page[edit]

Help me to convert the User:DJRAZOR/Madhura as a template page. Thanks.


I'm a new user, so what in the world does it mean that you've patrolled my page? Thanks! Tears And Treachery (talk) 18:29, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

@Tears And Treachery: I'm not a new user, but I'd also like to know what is the significance of the notice I received that user:DragonflySixtyseven "patrolled" (not "reviewed", btw) my sandbox (first time I've ever even used my sandbox), where I'd posted the English translations of French material that I wanted to review later for the Bataillon d'Infanterie légère d'Outre-Mer article, w/o having to keep auto-translating it each time I wanted to refer to it during my researching. Azx2 20:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
btw @DragonflySixtyseven: I'm not miffed or anything, just wondering what your interest in the BILOM subject material is, and if I can recruit you to help me continue building out the article to get it up to a respectable class (which two people could achieve with a few hours' work, imo!). Cheers! Azx2 20:07, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
Just found this quote from user:DragonflySixtyseven in the diff of another user's talk page. c'est la vie ...

"I patrolled your page. I went through the enormously-backlogged list of newly-created pages and confirmed that your page was okay: not spam, not an attack page, not a copyright violation, not any of the other reasons for which I would delete someone's page without asking. Then I clicked "patrolled" to remove it from the list of "pages that have not yet been patrolled", and moved on to the next entry. That's all."[emphasis added]

Oh well. Guess DF67 is not interested in BILOM after all :( Azx2 20:24, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Privacy issue in article on low-importance writer[edit]

Thank you for your patrol of Skyler White (writer). I hope you don't object, but I have just revised your change to the lede, and redacted a quote in the article body, due to WP:BLPPRIVACY concerns. I realize that WP:BLPPRIVACY is in tension with WP:FULLNAME in this case, but I think WP:BLPPRIVACY should be the higher priority, particularly because of the erotic genre of the subject's books. I wouldn't want us to give assistance to stalkers by making her legal name so prominent in the lede. Note that all sources use Skyler as subject's first name, without quotes. The subject's original name was mentioned only once in an obscure blog interview; it was not a particularly easy thing to find, and I probably should have used an ellipsis and omitted it from prior versions of the article. Lwarrenwiki (talk) 15:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


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In lieu of quite knowing how to best respond to your patrolling me, here's a kitten. I acknowledge that I am inexperienced and invite your comments, hoping that my edits so far are appropriate and correctly applied.

Thanks :-)

HKgamer (talk) 01:33, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Fist-a-gon2015 (talk) 00:30, 10 December 2014 (EST) Thank you for patrolling me!


Why did you delete the page Saurom? I'd created it, and I think that you ought to have warned me of the page's problems. I'd have tried to improve it. I did it in good faith, and I didn't deserve to look down on.

Best regards --Henars (talk) 19:32, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello. The reason your page was deleted because it appears to not satisfy the notability guidelines for inclusion on Wikipedia. A more specific guideline is the guideline on music which needs to be satisfied in other for inclusion. If you could show that the band is notable, it can be undeleted and put back in the wide world of Wikipedia! GFOLEY FOUR!— 21:38, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Heber Harper[edit]

Thanks, missed that detail. I've replaced it with a differently worded prod. --McGeddon (talk) 21:23, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Patrolling Kanawishi[edit]

Thank you for your comments on my article on "Rocket to Limbo". It's taken awhile, but I think I am getting the hang of contributing to The Encyclopedia Galactica (aka Wikipedia). I try to make my plot summaries as concise as possible. I just need to try harder. Thanks again. Kanawishi (talk) 17:18, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

Patrolling HanSangYoon[edit]

You have not uploaded any reasons, incidents, or explanations of why you have been patrolling my page. I have not committed any wrongdoings in Wikipedia. Please cease patrolling my page unless you give me an explanation. Thank you. --HanSangYoon (talk) 22:05, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

None of my business, but I noticed this and have a question. (I looked around but found no answer) @HanSangYoon: how do you know DragonflySixtyseven is patrolling your page? (I'm assuming userpage?) – JBarta (talk) 23:55, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Apparently people are given notifications when pages they have created are patrolled. DS (talk) 00:36, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Did a little reading on patrolling, but still a little foggy about how it works. Maybe I'll stumble over it again another time. – JBarta (talk) 01:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Jbarta, I did get notifications that I was being patrolled by a specific user (in this case, DragonFly67). I did get a notification from him that it wasn't anything serious, so really, I'm not concerned. Thanks for being interested. HanSangYoon (talk) 03:00, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Patrolling Dcgh96[edit]

I'd like to know why my account was patrolled. There was no explanation or a message saying why. The most recent thing I did was add subtitles to a couple of videos, so I'm confused on why I was patrolled. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcgh96 (talkcontribs) 01:51, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dcgh96 (talkcontribs) 22:53, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Patrolling K4 amirak[edit]

Hello, I am not sure how to add to the end of the talk pages, so I am adding my text here. I am, obviously, a very new user to Wikipedia...and trying to figure out how it works. Like Dcgh96, I was wondering what it means when I get a message (in my email) that I am being patrolled. It sounds ominous. Is it meant to be? As a new user to Wikipedia, I don't feel very 'safe' when I learn I am being patrolled. I am an instructor who is trying to learn how to use Wikipedia so that I can then encourage my own students to try it out and contribute to knowledge. My intentions are only good!

Thanks and I look forward to your response. (talk) 16:49, 18 December 2014 (UTC) signed K4 amirak

Thanks for the quick response and explanation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K4 amirak (talkcontribs) 16:57, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thanks, I think, for patrolling[edit]

Having looked a bit further up your talk page, I think I now understand what the notification alert meant that an article Draft:Robert Long (British Army officer) had been patrolled by you. I guess the fact that it hasn't been speedily deleted is a good first sign! I took a look at some of the talk around AfC backlogs, etc, so truly appreciate the efforts you and other reviewers are making to get new articles up and running. Once I've got the hang of this a bit more (and have more than an occasional stolen lunch-hour to do so) I'll be delighted to join the ranks of Wikipedians in a more collaborative way! Oakvillian1 (talk) 22:07, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

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