User talk:Drovethrughosts

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Recent edits to Hannibal (TV series)[edit]

Information.svg Hello, and thank you for your recent contributions. I appreciate the effort you made for our project, but unfortunately I had to undo your edit(s) because I believe the article was better before you made that change. THe correct word here is indeed "subtly", not subtlety. Feel free to contact me directly if you have any questions. Thank you! hamiltonstone (talk) 10:44, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

If you think it's incorrect, then use the proper method when dealing with direct quotes, which is [sic]. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:08, 23 January 2014 (UTC)


Since you originally uploaded File:Thexfiles.jpg I thought I'd let you know that another editor has uploaded a new version, which appears to be a derivative of the non-free title card. I've looked through all of the aired episodes and can't find the new version of the title card. The same editor has been replacing title cards with logos at several articles. I've fixed several but thought I'd get your thoughts on this file. --AussieLegend () 08:49, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, it was reverted back by another editor. I believe that new one that was uploaded was from the revamped season 9 opening credits, and obviously the classic title card used for all the previous seasons is much more significant and recognizable for main article use. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:56, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for updating the Bondage & Beta Male Sexuality page. Yay teamwork! Drywater2k (talk) 15:20, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

The Walking Dead[edit]

Thank you for helping to revert edits made by the user who keeps adding Idiotbox pages as references. If you have a chance to undo the most recent edit at Still (The Walking Dead), that would be much appreciated (another revert by me would violate the 3RR rule). Thank you. --Another Believer (Talk) 20:44, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. Best idea would be to add some reviews (IGN, The A.V. Club, etc.) to fill out the section, so it's not empty and maybe that user won't get keep readding it. I'll try and do that tomorrow if I can. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Your revert has since been reverted. Methinks this user needs a warning issued by an admin. --Another Believer (Talk) 23:26, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Both users have been blocked for three days. I anticipate more accusatory emails in my personal inbox. Thanks for your work on these articles. --Another Believer (Talk) 18:41, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
No problem, happy to help. I'd like to see what those emails say, lol. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:48, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for updating pages on Community. I'm having trouble using the picture of the "Old Timey Photo Club" due to lack of license:

I'm not sure how exactly to proceed since I don't have the license. Could you please help? Drywater2k (talk) 21:06, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

You can only upload to Wikipedia Commons if you have the license, or possibly if you are granted the license. You should upload images via here: Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:27, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Plurals of proper names[edit]

I was going to just revert your edit to The Americans (2013 TV series), but I figured I'd discuss it with you first. Using an apostrophe to make a proper name plural is grammatically incorrect. I have not seen a reference that recommends anything other than "-es", e.g. "Joneses" (see [1][2]). There are sites that recommend optionally leaving off the -es for certain names ([3]), so "Jennings" would probably be acceptable in this case, but an apostrophe is definitely incorrect (except for possessives, which this is not, though it could be reworded to be). --Fru1tbat (talk) 14:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Anya Jenkins[edit]

Hi, I've just added a new information about Anya's returns. Can you copy edit it, please? Thanks.--NeoBatfreak (talk) 01:47, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

The Americans[edit]


I notice that you have undone the changes that I have made to The Americans again. You do realise the paragraph I have deleted is duplicated in the next section (Development).

TwoNineFour — Preceding unsigned comment added by TwoNineFour (talkcontribs) 21:03, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. That's why it's best to explain your edits when removing large chunks of text. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

24: LAD poster[edit]

Saw it online the other day and thought about doing it. Thought maybe the 24 logo would be better, but this does look damn cool! — Wyliepedia 13:57, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Probably best to differentiate it from the original series, much like the season pages or Redemption, which uses the individual poster art. And yeah, it looks awesome! Drovethrughosts (talk) 20:36, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

List of The Walking Dead episodes[edit]

Hello! You did this. But don't you think it's clearer way to say it? As you can see in the article history, there have been many users who keep changing the date to 2014. It is confusing. --Cary (talk) 21:28, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I changed it because the the other way doesn't sound that good ("will be made" or the missing "it" after the date), nor do I think it makes it any clearer. I don't understand how it's not clear, and I'm continued to be baffled why anonymous editors keep changing can something be renewed on a date that hasn't happened yet? I've never seen this problem anywhere else besides that page. Sadly, the more popular this series gets, the more it attracts undesirable anonymous editors... Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi. Didn't realize that you had edited the episode summaries. I thought Wikipedia swallowed the space between paragraphs.

So, how do other series' episode summaries handle B- and C-plots? All as a single paragraph, or each plot in a separate para?

- Last Contrarian (talk) 18:54, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

It's no big deal, but usually plot summaries within episode lists don't use line breaks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:17, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

BSG Series[edit]

Apologies for reverting your edit. I caught the other edit in my notifications list and reverted on that without checking if any other edits were made subsequently. Apologies again. Canterbury Tail talk 02:01, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014[edit]

Please stop making test edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Party Down. It is considered vandalism, which, under Wikipedia policy, can lead to being blocked from editing. If you would like to experiment again, please use the sandbox. And please, always be sure to include the edit summary for your future edits on Wikipedia. ItsAlwaysLupus (talk) 21:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Please don't send me boilerplate messages like this, it wasn't a "test" edit or "vandalism". If you want to open a dialog, please do it properly. "Deadpan" is inappropriate in an infobox as a genre (because it's not a genre, but a type of humor or delivery method of comedy). It's one person in a review stating it has deadpan humor, that doesn't override everything else. It's a comedy, you don't need to get an more in depth than that unless it's animated comedy, black comedy, comedy-drama, etc. (look here. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:46, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I needed you to explain yourself and you did so this is a progress. I am not fond of users' tendency to go around canceling edits of their fellow users randomly without a single explanation provided since actions like that are unjustifiable and plain confusing. Imagine if all 21,181,438 Wikipedians or whatever the real number is also did that, does it seem normal to you? Anyhow, if deadpan is not a genre on its own as you claim (you can't use the Wikipedia itself to support your claim though but I'm just going to take your word for it) then it surely belongs in the format line with sitcom because it's a modifier and a mood-setter of the entire show like sitcom is. I insist on that deadpan part inclusion since The Suite Life of Zack & Cody is also a comedy and this can be a little confusing but Party Down does not seem to be categorically same or even remotely close, is it? ItsAlwaysLupus (talk) 22:47, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

May 2014 disambig contest: let's do it again![edit]

Greetings fellow disambiguator! Remember back in February when we made history by clearing the board for the first time ever, for the monthly disambiguation contest? Let's do it again in May! I personally will be aiming to lead the board next month, but for anyone who thinks they can put in a better effort, I will give a $10 Amazon gift card to any editor who scores more disambiguation points in May. Also, I will be setting up a one-day contest later in the month, and will try to set up more prizes and other ways to make this a fun and productive month. Cheers! bd2412 T 18:47, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

24 Season 9[edit]

I have noticed that you keep on reverting my fixes to the 24 page referring to the new season of 24 as a new series instead of the 9th season. This can be very misleading since it is in fact a new season. I don't really want to continue this edit war but I'd like to see the page have the most accurate information possible. --Jimv1983 (talk) 09:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from, but it's not officially referred to as "season 9". When Fox announced Live Another Day, they didn't say they renewed it for a ninth season, they said it's a "limited event television series", which is what we have to refer to it as well. Hope you understand. Thanks. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:09, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Facebook as an EL[edit]

Talk:24: Live Another Day#Official Facebook external link, if you need something to read. — Wyliepedia 19:48, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

24 LAD Deletion[edit]

I noticed that you seem to have a problem with what I have updated about 24 LAD and spent a great deal of time creating for many Wikipedia users and 24 fans alike, to view and gain information on the main characters that will be on their screens throughout season 9 of 24.

To be honest, I would rather not start an editing war as that would be impolite and just a foolish waste of time. In my opinion it is better to have separate pages for each character so that users can gain a more extensive view on these characters' lives.

You may wonder why I cannot just leave it as part of the main page for 24 season 9, whereas I struggle to find your reasoning behind the issue of a separate page for each main character. The positives of creating a new page for each character means that there can be sub categories which can divide up certain aspects of these characters' lives. This means that other Wikipedia users can add in their own sections to the page if they ever account for more information about the characters. If you still don't agree with me I would like to stress the fact that this is the format that has been used by past Wikipedia users for 24 seasons 1-8 and I believe it is important to carry it on for season 9.

I would be very grateful if you could undo the edits you made to the pages I spent a great deal of time preparing for, planning out and creating for the 24: Live Another Day main characters, thankyou. JohnGormleyJG (talk) 21:10, 9 May 2014 (UTC)JohnGormleyJG 9th of May 2014

You have understand this isn't the 24 Wikia where on there it's okay to create an article for every character. This is an encyclopedia, not a fansite. The character must be notable and contain more than a character summary, please see WP:ALLPLOT. All the new character articles you created had nothing beyond a basic character description (which is already included in the Live Another Day article; let alone spelling mistakes, incorrect wikilinks, and I'm assuming a bad copy-paste job of incorrect Wikipedia categories that you applied to all the articles even though they're wrong). Any further character/plot information will be in the episode summaries in the main article, so the character articles will serve no purpose, especially if they are just plot reiteration, which is what Wikipedia is NOT. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:21, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Thankyou for your response. The point I am trying to make is that this format for the 24:season 9 main character's is not the first time it has been acquired. I am asking if you could look up the previous 8 seasons of 24 and read their character articles. On these pages they too have separate pages for each character. I understand that the information about the characters on the pages I have created isn't hugely extensive. However you should understand that I am dealing with limited information as 24: season 9 is only two episodes in. I will be making alterations to the pages as the season progresses and other users will too. I hope you can understand my point and make an effort to look up the pages I have previously mentioned, as these are in the same format as the pages I am trying to create. I also hope you can understand my frustration at the fact that you deleted the articles I spent a great deal of time on and put a lot of effort into creating. I hope you can understand my point of view and I must stress that i do not want this to turn into an editing war. As i said my reasoning behind this, is the fact that it is a format that has been used for every other season and I would not make these alterations if I did not think it was a good idea.JohnGormleyJG (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)JohnGormleyJG 9th of May 2014
I didn't delete them, I redirected them per the fact there's no notability for them to have their own individual article. Please read WP:NOTPLOT to understand this properly. Also, please do not do what you did here, recreating Adrain Cross, purposely misspelled. Yes, I understand the previous season's format (trust me, I've been on Wikipedia a long time and have edited those articles extensively as well), but that's just how those articles were done at the time. We shouldn't just remove information and references for no reason. That information was added to the article over time as it expanded, and we shouldn't just delete it for conformity sake. I hope you understand. Everything I'm saying is basic Wikipedia guidelines, and I suggest understanding them before making further edits. Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
As I said previously I do not want an editing war to ensue so if you insist on having the articles laid out this way that is your right. As I do not wish to add anything more I will finish with this discussion. I never intended on anything like this happening. I saw the format for the previous seasons and noticed they were different to those of season 9. I thought I was making a positive contribution to the article and I was just a bit startled when I noticed that all my work had been deleted.JohnGormleyJG (talk) 22:05, 9 May 2014 (UTC)JohnGormleyJG 9th of May 2014


Just wanted to take a second and say thanks for all the good work you do here on Wikipedia. I went looking for some things over on the Fargo page, and saw there had been a bit of a dustup there a while back about the story summaries and the allusions in the episode titles. Thanks for helping explain things to that editor, and for continuing to do great work on all the TV articles. They're a great resource. Thanks, and take care! 2607:FCC8:B886:7200:A010:11BF:B579:520A (talk) 23:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the nice words. I appreciate it! Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:28, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Broken section redirects to List of Gilmore Girls episodes[edit]


I was doing some wikignome work on Say Goodnight, Gracie when I found that I needed to repair the section redirect I found here. I found that the section redirect became broken due to your edit here. I would expect that all the other episodes now have broken section redirects, you might wish to look into that.

Hey, it's something to do on a rainy day, anyway. Cheers! Ashanda (talk) 15:50, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Wow, this threw me for a loop! I remember making that edit, but didn't realize it was so long ago. Weird. Yeah, I must of randomly stumbled upon that page and made those edits (I don't watch GG), to be uniform with other LoE pages. I don't know how many redirect articles exist for that show, so if you want to revert back to the old section links, for ease, you can. It won't bother me. Drovethrughosts (talk) 16:27, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll see what I can do. Thank you.Ashanda (talk) 21:00, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

"we go by what they"[edit]

What? Also the TV series is based off of something so Jed and Joss didn't "create" it they "develop" a pre-existing idea. And was the edit description meant to end in say?--Ditto51 (My Talk Page) 13:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, the page loaded before I finished my edit summary. I made a null edit to say what I meant to say. To reiterate, the series does not use "developed by", but "created by". To me, it's that simple, we go by what they're officially credited as. I understand the developed by credit, but it's not used in this instance. Anything else is editorial opinion. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:34, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

24 character redirection[edit]

Look I decided to create a number of articles based on the characters of 24:LAD and I won't give in to your constant editing and seemingly proper corrections of these articles. If there's any extra information regarding critical reception, casting wish to include to make this a plausible article feel free to do so. This is a community based website where multiple people are able to make edits which they think are best for the article. I think that for 24: LAD it is best to have separate articles for the main characters. JohnGormleyJG (talk) 21:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)JohnGormleyJG

Game of Thrones (season 5)‎‎[edit]

Hi, thanks for adding to this article, However, you did change the date format from DMY to MDY, whereas WP:DATERET tells us that the initially used format should be retained. Could you change it back? (I personally prefer DMY because it's what the citation gadget outputs, so it's less of a hassle to add citations.) Thanks,  Sandstein  21:28, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I simply changed some of the date formatting for consistency (some were DMY, MDY and a mix of both), and to be consistent with the other GoT articles (main article, list of episodes, season pages). I feel since it's an American-produced series that mainly uses American publications as references, it should use MDY date formatting (and to be consistent with the previous season articles). Drovethrughosts (talk) 21:38, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, I disagree. The topic isn't particularly associated with the US: it's American-produced, but actors and locales are European, and the setting is a faux-European one; it is seen and written about the world over. There's no particular need for consistency across articles per our manual of style, just within one article. I've restored the original format.  Sandstein  15:21, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
It makes more sense for date formatting to be consistent across the entire article as the body text will use MDY and the fact the all previous season articles use MDY. But whatever. Consistency is key across multiple articles because certain references are transcluded to the list of episodes page. Also, technically, the date format was established with this edit who originally created the article.Drovethrughosts (talk) 23:20, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Film and TV Show Barnstar[edit]

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I, JohnGormleyJG (talk), hereby award Drovethrughosts the WikiProject Film Award for your valued contributions to WikiProject Film and TV Shows. Thank you for all the contributions and hard work you spent on editing Films and T.V. shows.
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The Bridge ratings...again[edit]

Hi, DTG. I saw the low numbers for the recent episode of The Bridge and expected TVBTN to bump it from its Daily 100. That happened, so we'll need a backup source. The previous one, from the similar situation before, doesn't have one yet. — Wyliepedia 05:56, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, I switched the ref. Not looking good for The Bridge though. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:38, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Good reference work[edit]

Excellent reference work on GoT. I am so glad to work with someone who knows how to seek out great references. It is appreciated, sir. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 23:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem, always happy to help out. :) Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:52, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The Newsroom (U.S. TV series)[edit]

Hi. I'd like to keep the extra line regarding Good Dog and Good God in "Series Title". The comments from Maclean's were 'snarky', and the Daily Beast only partially rebuts this, sort of implying that HBO might have simply contacted Finkleman (a random phone call by a lawyer to some unknown guy in Canada). I believe there is value in showing that Finkleman was not merely an afterthought, and was a well known respected person in the eyes of HBO. Your thoughts? Jmg38 (talk) 22:22, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

How is it relevant to The Newsroom that Finkleman appeared on an HBO Canada series? Is there a reliable source that discusses this is notable and is connected The Newsroom? Thinking that extra line implies "there is value in showing that Finkleman was not merely an afterthought, and was a well known respected person in the eyes of HBO" is original research on your part. Drovethrughosts (talk) 22:48, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Homeland season four[edit]

Hello, you recently reverted my edit over at Homeland (season 4). You don't think that having the valuable airing dates of episodes is a good reason to add the table? I personally love having the dates to mark down, I would think it is very useful information to others as well. LLArrow (talk) 01:26, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

From my experience, it's best to wait until there's more information beyond just an air date, such as episode titles, to add a table, especially the entire table, which would have lots of empty space. Hopefully that makes sense for you. Drovethrughosts (talk) 12:55, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
I agree with DTG. In my experience, having so much empty table space on such a high-profile series (unlike, say, Haven) encourages editors (mostly IPs) to add unsourced information like titles/writers/directors, who wouldn't bother otherwise. If that makes sense? -- SchrutedIt08 (talk) 13:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Good points guys. Thanks for insight. LLArrow (talk) 07:41, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

AoS season 2[edit]

Just so you know, I started the season page in my sandbox until it is ready for the mainspace, if you'd like to help build it over the season. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:43, 7 September 2014 (UTC)