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Again, welcome!  Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 10:09, 22 November 2013 (UTC)]

There is a great tool in the top of the edit box that helps you format references. Instructions are here [1] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 10:15, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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You are picking up Wikipedia editing fast. Many thanks for joining us. Let me know if you have any questions. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 11:29, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

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The Pulse (WP:MED newsletter) June 2014[edit]

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Medical Translation Newsletter
Issue 1, June/July 2014
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There has previously been some resistance against translation into certain languages with strong Wikipedia presence, such as Dutch, Polish, and Swedish.
What was found is that thre is hardly any negative opinion about the the project itself; and any such critique has focused on the ways that articles have being integrated. For an article to be usefully translated into a target-Wiki it needs to be properly Wiki-linked, carry proper citations and use the formatting of the chosen target language as well as being properly proof-read. Certain large Wikis such as the Polish and Dutch Wikis have strong traditions of medical content, with their own editorial system, own templates and different ideas about what constitutes a good medical article. For example, there are not MEDRS (Polish,German,Romanian,Persian) guidelines present on other Wikis, and some Wikis have a stronger background of country-specific content.

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    Through extensive collaborative work and by respecting links and Sweden specific content the last unintegrated Swedish translation went live in May.
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    Translation and integration into Polish also comes with its own unique set of challenges. The Polish Wikipedia has long been independent and works very hard to create high quality contentfor Polish audience. Previous translation trouble has lead to use of unique templates with unique formatting, not least among citations. Add to this that the Polish Wikipedia does not allow template redirects and a large body of work is required for each article.
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Hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daasgupta (talkcontribs) 03:55, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Empty sections[edit]

We do not typically create these. Thus removed the one at cloxacillin. Hope all is well. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 21:59, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Doc James (talk · contribs I noticed it in quite a few pages and hence did on some others too. Will remove them. Thanks for pointing out. But it suprises me that many drugs have information on mechanism of action but no adverse effect section. An empty section mark might help bring focus. What do you think ? Drsoumyadeepb (talk) 06:50, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
We do definitely want to include sections on side effects. Would be great to go around and start these sections with a small amount of content when they are missing. This is a good easily accessible source. [5] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 23:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Journal of Family Medicine and Primary Care[edit]

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The article Journal of Family Medicine and Primary Care has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Non-notable new journal. Not indexed in any selective databases (PubMed indexing is through PubMed Central), no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. Randykitty (talk) 10:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


Many thanks for your query about the journal. I think it should not be deleted and merits a wikipedia page because It meets criteria of WP:NJournals it is indeed indexed in Pubmed. Please see If you can click on any article you see that it has a PMID as well as PMCID. I guess one checked the NLM catalog which still says the older status " PubMed: Coverage to be announced " BUt indeed is is coveredin Pubmed as well as Pubmed Central. It also meets the third criteria since it is the first medical journal from India on family medicine and primary care. Please discuss further. Drsoumyadeepb (talk) 10:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Journal of Family Medicine and Primary Care for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Journal of Family Medicine and Primary Care is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Journal of Family Medicine and Primary Care until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Randykitty (talk) 10:30, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Randykitty Can you please specify what are the exact points. I addressed the points already and it does meet the WP:NJournals or WP:GNG Telling my points again. I think it should not be deleted and merits a wikipedia page because It meets criteria of WP:NJournals it is indeed indexed in Pubmed. Please see If you can click on any article you see that it has a PMID as well as PMCID. I guess one checked the NLM catalog which still says the older status " PubMed: Coverage to be announced " BUt indeed is is coveredin Pubmed as well as Pubmed Central. It also meets the third criteria since it is the first medical journal from India on family medicine and primary care. Please discuss further. Drsoumyadeepb (talk) 10:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

  • It meets neither NJournals nor GNG. To claim a historic purpose it is not enough to say that it's the first journal to cover xyz. You need independent reliable sources that discuss this. PubMed is not selective. It's enough for a journal to be OA and then it gets included through PubMed Central. MEDLINE or Index medicus are selective parts of PubMed, but this journal is not in those. There's not a single independent source, so this does not come even close to meet GNG. Hope this explains. --Randykitty (talk) 10:39, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Randykitty 1. Please note again that it is IN PUBMED and not just PUBMED CENTRAL. Those journals that are in PMC only do come up in Pubmed searches but they do not get PMID. They get a PMIC ID only. NJournals does not require it to be in MEDLINE. 2. Please see Refernece 2 in the now revised article. Journal of Family Medicine and Primary Care. I hope this is fine.

Deletion issue settled.It stays. Drsoumyadeepb (talk) 11:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

  • I'm sorry, but you are misunderstanding our procedures. I understand you're new and they can be daunting then. An AfD notice should not be removed before the AfD debate has been closed after having run for 7 days. This is the place where you should place your arguments, not here, because the issue will be settled there, not here. Please read the linked policies before you do so, as it may make your life a lot easier and your arguments more effective. NJournals indeed does not require MEDLINE indexing, but it also does not accept PubMed alone as a selective database. The reference you added is not independent (as one could already suspect from its breathless enthusiasm). It's the website of an international organization announcing the new journal of one of its member organizations. --Randykitty (talk) 12:53, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Randykitty I think you are just bullying me because I am new in Wikipedia. You did not put up the notice after discussion and neither can you justify that it does not meet NJournals criteria. First you said it is not in Pubmed.. when proved wrong you said not in Medline .. when pointed out is not an essential criteria then you are saying weird things like "does not accept PubMed alone as a selective database" . About history Can you please point out any other journal from South Asia on this. I searched NLM catalog just now and could not find any. One can put up such notices on hundreds of wiki articles and we will then only discuss ! Kindly remove the notice.

Note : The journal is indexed with CNKI (China National Knowledge Infrastructure), Hinari, Index Copernicus, Indian Science Abstracts, National Science Library, OpenJGate, PrimoCentral, and Ulrich's International Periodical Directory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drsoumyadeepb (talkcontribs)

  • I am sorry you feel bullied, that certainly is not the intention. As I said before, WP is pretty daunting in the beginning because there are many policies and guidelines. Article creation is one of the most difficult things here. As for the indexing services you listed, none of them is considered both major and selective. As for PubMed, I don't think I changed my "story", just read again what I actually said. --Randykitty (talk) 13:22, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Randykitty Please tell me what is considered major and accepted. I will then put up notices like you did on all articles which are not in that index. Drsoumyadeepb (talk) 13:27, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

  • There are many indexes that are considered major and selective. For medical journals, that's for example any Thomson Reuters database (Science Citation Index Expanded, Current Contents, and such), MEDLINE, Scopus, or, to a lesser extent CINAHL. ProQuest and EBSCO databases are not regarded as very selective. Apart from that, there are probably indeed articles on journals that should be deleted. It is certainly possible (even rather certain) that, hopefully, a small percentage of WP's articles do not meet our inclusion criteria. Of course, that could still be a large number, given that WP has over 4.5 million articles. Arguing that something should be kept because other similar articles exists is therefore not a strong argument (we call that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS or, less reverently WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS). One last remark: please don't confuse "notability" in the sense that WP uses it with anything like "worthy" or "deserving" or the like. Whether or not a journal gets an article is not decided based on its quality or lack thereof, but solely on the basis of whether it has been "noted". Indeed, we have articles on some journals because they are of such low quality that reliable sources have reported about this (needless to say, such journals are almost never listed in any reputable database). Hope this explains things a bit. --Randykitty (talk) 13:47, 6 November 2014 (UTC)


and where is this list given in WIki policy ? And please note " Essays are not Wikipedia policies or guidelines".Drsoumyadeepb (talk) 14:29, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
You are right that NJournals is only an essay, not a guideline or policy. NJournals was designed to make it easier for journals to get into WP. If you reject NJournals, then the remaining guideline is WP:GNG, which for the great majority of journals is almost impossible to satisfy. --Randykitty (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

that is what I am saying Randykitty you are just bullying around because you are a admin based on weird essays which do not make any sense and are not a guideline or policy. I do not see why PubMed should be excluded from the list of reliable indexing . I will refrain from any further editing unless such vandalism by you is stopped. Try developing sensible policies instead of shouting on flawed and vague essays . Drsoumyadeepb (talk) 15:07, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

  • What you don't seem to realize is that by invoking NJournals, I was trying it to make easier for you to show this journal's notability. I'm perfectly fine if you want to ignore NJournals. To keep the article, you will then have to show that it meets WP:GNG, which, as I said, is almost impossible for an academic journal. I am not bullying you, nor have I at any point mentioned the fact that I am an admin, which is a purely technical position and does nto give me any more "power" in a debate like this than you. This is not an admin thing and I am not using my admin tools in any way here. Please stop these baseless accusations and try to familiarize yourself with how things get done here. If you take a look at the AfD debate, you'll see that several editors actually agree with my position (although it is still early and other people with different opinions may turn up before this gets closed in a week's time. --Randykitty (talk) 15:28, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

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