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My stress level, induced by editing Wikipedia? So far, so good. :)
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Bit rot[edit]

Don't you hate it when that happens? ;) -- (talk) 21:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I really don't get it... There's something bad with the crash / tabs recovery within Firefox — hm, it would be nice to trace it down and at least submit a reproducible bug report to Firefox developers. -- Dsimic (talk) 21:26, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Replaceable fair use File:SATA Express host plug.png[edit]

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SATA images[edit]

I have removed them from the article due to non-compliance with WP:NFC. Do not re-add them. Our policies on non-free media is very restrictive, and those are replaceable, and thus not acceptable. Werieth (talk) 20:04, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

  • Ok, will re-tag the pictures as orphaned. -- Dsimic (talk) 20:07, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Uop Cache[edit]

Dude whats your problem with my aricle that was revelant information. You yourself make blog if you want to.Oranjelo100 (talk) 10:11, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Please excuse me, but can't you see how did you write your sentence above? It has a few misspelled words, and it's such a simple sentence. Also, for those two sentences above you needed four commits, what makes little to no sense – if you agree.
All I wanted to say is that you need to practice more before contributing to Wikipedia.
Also, do you think I was born with the knowledge of English? No, and English isn't my native language. But, I've spent many years working hard on it, and I still don't consider it to be as good as I'd really want it to be – so I still keep learning it. Learning and practicing is the key – but only when performed in appropriate places. When people learn and practice for their drivers licenses, do they go straight to highways doing 100 mph? Please consider Wikipedia to be some kind of a highway.
How about placing your edits into sandboxes, so other people can have a look at them first? -- Dsimic (talk) 12:12, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Just noticed that you also selected a wrong section title level for your addition to my talk page, so I fixed it. :) Can't you really see your own mistakes, and learn from them? Is there anything more I can do in order to make noticing your own mistakes easier for you?
Please note that the contributions are good, but not in case fixing them requires more effort than the actual contribution would require by itself. Also, each system has its own rules, and that applies to Wikipedia too. -- Dsimic (talk) 12:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Maybe stop arrogantly patronizing me, and you still didn't respond why you deleted relevant information from uop cache.
You're probably right, as I'm obviously wasting my time trying to provide some suggestions to you on how you should improve yourself. That actually makes me a bigger fool.
Back to your question, I've deleted some of the stuff you added there because it was (a) written in very bad English; and (b) contained hardly verifiable platform-specific information that actually doesn't help explaining the micro-op cache to the people who will be reading the article.
Hope that answers your question. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:38, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
Btw, please sign your posts on talk pages. That's one of the rules here. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
You are full of yourself instead of acting high and mighty explain what you mean by very bad english and hardly verifiable platform-specific information .L1 cache is commonly used term and you deleted relevant technical information about uop cache inner workings.
I'm really sorry about your true inability to see your own mistakes. Every single article you touched, ended up looking like a real mess. You are unable even to properly space words, or to use periods and commas properly. It's all the same to you, those little dots on the screen seem to be irrelevant. Are you using some kind of an automated translation engine to produce such "Me Tarzan, you Jane" English? -- Dsimic (talk) 19:41, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Texting: The choice of a new, illiterate, generation... Thanks for the laugh, Dsimic! Props to you for trying. PaulMEdwards (talk) 10:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

@PaulMEdwards: Hello there! You're welcome, and I'm glad that someone actually reads the stuff I'm putting into Wikipedia. :) Though, I'm asking myself quite often whether all that makes sense? Wikipedia is a great thing, no doubt about that, but who cares about all the effort so many people are putting into it? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:54, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
@Dsimic: Well, you and I, and certainly a few others, do care... Isn't that enough? Hopefully future generations will look back upon us as akin to the scholars who founded the Library of Alexandria. We stewards of information must remain vigilant and diligently curate this valuable resource. — PaulMEdwards (talk | contribs) 20:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
When looked from that side, it makes sense. Though, do you really think that new generations and "modern people" care about the Library of Alexandria, or about the older (or more complicated) stuff available on Wikipedia and elsewhere?
A few days ago I watched a motherboard unboxing video on YouTube, and the presenter (a young guy) wasn't sure what's actually provided by the expansion slot bracket that came bundled with the motherboard – and it was a serial port. He was like "is it a VGA port? not sure, but don't need it anyway", what really struck me. Also, he just tossed away the manual, which is for that particular motherboard full of extremely valuable information and simply a must-read. Though, all that guy cares about is to stick two graphics cards into it, click ten times to get a running installation of Windows, and spend countless hours with W, A, S and D keys.
Library of Alexandria? C'mon. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

SATA Express wiki page[edit]

Hi Dsimic,

Thanks for the explanation after you reverted some of our edits back to their original form. All makes sense.

However, with that said, we would like to request a few edits to the Serial ATA Express (SATA Express) wiki page:

  1. Would you change the title of this page to SATA Express (as opposed to Serial ATA Express)? This is how the specification is usually referenced in papers and publications.
  2. SFF-8639 connector is referenced as the device connector. Although it can be used that way, this connector is not part of the SATA Express spec. Is there anyway you could edit this to make it clearer to readers?

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns to the requests above.

Many thanks,

Jbalich (talk) 19:30, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello there!
I'm glad you're Ok with the edits I performed. Thank you very much for your suggestions, especially regarding usage of the SFF-8639 connector — that's something I haven't described well enough within the article. Already went ahead and edited the SATA Express article so it properly describes used connectors, please check it out.
Also, I agree about the renaming, it's going to be shorter and better that way — and that's how all the papers are referring to the interface itself. I'll ask the admins tomorrow to perform the article renaming, can't do that myself as the SATA Express article already exists in form of a redirect (and copy&paste is not an option as commits history gets trashed that way).
-- Dsimic (talk) 05:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Renaming of the article is done. :) -- Dsimic (talk) 02:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
Looks great, thanks for your edits to the connector section! Also, I appreciate your help in renaming the page! On another note, are you able to add an image to the SATA Express page? I found a simple yet informative image of hosts and drives from the SATA Express page on, found here: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbalich (talkcontribs) 15:54, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) I'm glad you like it, and I'm really hoping that the whole article will help anyone in understanding better what's SATA Express about, as it can be quite confusing at the beginning.
Regarding adding images, Wikipedia is very, very strict about disallowing non-free images. I've already uploaded images of all five types of connectors used for SATA Express, in form of plain black-and-white sketches borrowed from a SATA-IO paper, and they were quickly deleted as disallowed. Well, it took me at least 45 minutes to crop, export and upload those wasted pictures. :) It's all about preventing any copyright issues down the road... Basically, unless it's a picture of a building that's been taken down, or a picture of no longer alive person — only the pictures you've taken yourself (or graphs created from an empty canvas) are allowed here.
-- Dsimic (talk) 16:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
I see, thanks for the clarification. If I had permission from SATA-IO (the owner of the above mentioned image) to post this image, how would I go about getting it up on the page? Once again, thanks for your help! Jbalich (talk) 16:43, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
You'd have to obtain a "free to use" license from SATA-IO for the particular image, in form of a page on their site explicitly stating such a license. With that available, you should provide URL of that page while uploading the image using the Wikipedia's File Upload Wizard (Toolbox --> Upload file on the left side of Wikipedia's standard layout). That would be basically it, together with adding image to the article itself.
Quite frankly, I'd say you'd be much better re-creating the illustration yourself, than chasing the SATA-IO for a license. You'd save yourself from a lot of pain. :) -- Dsimic (talk) 17:16, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Got it, thanks again! Jbalich (talk) 17:29, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. -- Dsimic (talk) 17:35, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

M.2 (NGFF) page[edit]

Can we change the title of the "Next Generation Form Factor" wiki page to "M.2"? NGFF is its former name and I feel that the page should reflect that change as it is listed on many other pages by its proper name "M.2". Thanks! Jbalich (talk) 18:54, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello there! That's a good proposal, things changed in the meantime and it should improve the clarity. I've placed a request for admins to perform the rename, as the M.2 article already exists as a redirect page. -- Dsimic (talk) 19:51, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks much! Jbalich (talk) 20:29, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome. -- Dsimic (talk) 20:32, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Regarding move request on Talk:Linux Gaming[edit]

Just a note, I went ahead and merged the two move requests on Talk:Linux Gaming. Having two separate move requests happening at once on the same talk page can be a bit confusing to readers, and it makes it so that consensus has to be form only once. Steel1943 (talk) 04:13, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello there! Looking great to me, less cluttered and a lot easier to discuss. Thank you for merging the move requests. -- Dsimic (talk) 13:02, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Form factor[edit]

I'm more than happy to discuss anything - however; just because something's 'accepted' does NOT mean or make or correct.

Wikipædia IS an encyclopedic work.

If we follow your logic, then it's almost certain the (so-called) 'bastions' of American journalism would sink - dramatically in quality.

However, they ALL have guides to proper language use.

All of them.

Regardless if their writers' personal idiosyncrasies, they write in a UNIFORM style.

Additionally, I was speaking to the head editor of PCWorld the other day (sheer coincidence) and HE brought up his displeasure with it's use by 'readers.'

Another point; on ourpise, I forgot the gentleman's name, but, he 'writes' for an inline 'journal,' & he used INCORRECT grammar.

When I pontes it out, he responded: 'rules are meant to b broken.'

He must think he's Shakespeare - he's not.

Just 'because' is NOT an answer.

We ALL need to uphold things.

No - it's not 'the end if the world,' but it's WRONG to encourage continued MISuse.

Finally. As I'm NOT changing the arrocle's structure, I fail to see HOW it has to b removed - by ... you.

Of ALL people, it's people LIKE you who should ENCOURAGE PROPER use of words & speech.

Why not just LEAVE it - if - IF - theirs an 'outcry,' THEN 'correct' it (lol).

But, in fact, all I did was WRITE it CORECTLY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by UNOwenNYC (talkcontribs) 23:46, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello there! I apologize for the confusion, please allow me to explain.
Basically, "form factor" is something I've seen used in many places so far. There are even some definitions around, like this one, or this one. It's also used in other areas, for example while describing electric motors. That's why I was against editing it out, and also "configuration" isn't such a great general replacement word. It would be better to use "footprint" instead, though saying "hard disk footprint" would be quite awkward, if you agree. :)
Please don't get me wrong, I'm all in for improving things whenever and wherever possible, and for not allowing "everybody does it that way" approaches to creep in. Many people are doing wrong things, and that isn't making wrong things right.
Any chances, please, for describing in more detail why the "form factor" is actually wrong? Any examples, definitions etc.?
-- Dsimic (talk) 00:14, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


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  • Thank you very much! I'll make sure to use this privilege only with the best intentions, and according to the Wikipedia rules. -- Dsimic (talk) 13:45, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: Android 4.4 screenshot[edit]

The Android 4.4 "launcher" is exclusive to the Nexus 5, and is technically part of the Google Search app, it is not a stock component of Android, and requires the non-free Google apps in order to function (thus, I cannot consider it to be a stock screenshot of Android). All other builds of 4.4 (even from Google itself, ironically) use the stock launcher from 4.3. ViperSnake151  Talk  17:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

You're totally correct there, and it might be some kind of a new product launch strategy for Google (so they somehow differentiate the Nexus 5 from other devices running 4.4), who knows. I've just edited the Android version history article so it states that pictured launcher is currently exclusive to the Nexus 5, please check it out. Hope you'll find that acceptable. -- Dsimic (talk) 18:14, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I still object because, despite how Google has promoted it, it is not a new feature of Android 4.4, and we are giving false expectations to readers. ViperSnake151  Talk  18:11, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I agree there, it's a launcher feature. Is it better after this edit to the article? -- Dsimic (talk) 18:23, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
The launcher is part of the Google Search app. Updates to Google apps are not considered to be part of Android for the purposes of the version history article, because they are distributed through Play Store and not technically part of the stock Android system. And as you can see there, this launcher is "not" exclusive to 4.4, so its not a feature of 4.4 either (my Galaxy Nexus proudly uses it just fine, thank you very much) ViperSnake151  Talk  18:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
Ok, makes sense. I can live with that. :) -- Dsimic (talk) 18:33, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:RouterBoard R52n-M.jpg[edit]

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Number of edits (Oranjelo100)[edit]

(Discussion started on Oranjelo100's talk page and continued here.)

It's none of your business how many edits J made.--Oranjelo100 (talk) 14:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

It is my business to make Wikipedia better, and unfortunately your edits aren't helping in that. So, I need to point out what's wrong, so we can make it better together. Also, there are rules on Wikipedia we all need to obey, as we've already discussed. -- Dsimic (talk) 14:41, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
J will use whatever references J will like J am not your servant. Do it yourself without deleting without deleting relevant information if you have problem and my edits help make Wikipedia better like them or not. You feel you are important when you talk about rules.
I don't want to sound important or whatever, and I don't want anyone to serve me. We're all here to play by the rules established by Wikipedia. All those rules are reasonable, and targeted at improving quality of the content provided through articles.
On the other hand, you sound like a totally ignorant and unreasonable person, unable to see your own mistakes. For example, can't you see that you're using letter "J" instead of "I" when referring to yourself – and four times in a row above? Can't you see that? Also, why are you writing "gb" instead of "GB", for example? That's not a rule imposed by Wikipedia, that's something from the elementary school.
Please, understand that you need to follow the rules, and to apply some common sense while editing. Otherwise, please get yourself a blog, and do whatever you want there. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
My bad with J, English is not my native language but will make edits in whatever way I like and I will not make blog just to appease you don't you have anything better to do then stalking my edits and nitpicking everything.
English isn't my native language either, but I've spent many years learning it. Sorry, but I see no point in spending more time and words towards trying to educate you. You just don't want to accept anything, or at least take it into consideration. -- Dsimic (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
And stop trying to discourage others from editing Wikipedia for example me.
Please excuse me, but I'm feeling sorry for your obvious lack of intelligence. -- Dsimic (talk) 16:23, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I feel sorry for you because you have to try make yourself feel superior by trying to put down others.
I'm trying to make you better, but you don't seem to understand that. Btw, please sign your posts. -- Dsimic (talk) 17:27, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── you will make me feel better when you will stop stalking and harrasing me.

You're taking all suggestions as if they were against you, but they're not. I'm telling all that so you can improve yourself, but that seems to be pointless as you simply don't understand.
Once again, please sign your posts. -- Dsimic (talk) 18:29, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
I don't need your help in improving myself like I said stop stalking my edits and making mocking messages on my talk page or any other messages for that matter I dont want to talk with you. Another issue is that you broke Wikipedia rules by making personal attacks against me.
Dude, you're ridiculous. I'll stop talking to you, as it's a totally pointless waste of my time. -- Dsimic (talk) 21:58, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

About your Third Opinion request: I am a regular volunteer at the Third Opinion project. Your request for an opinion has been removed because this is primarily a conduct dispute. 3O does not handle disputes which are primarily conduct disputes, which are handled through RFC/U, ANI, or ARBCOM. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC) PS: @Oranjelo100: While I express no opinion about any of the rest, you do need to sign your posts with four tildes. Failing to sign them makes following a conversation very difficult. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 22:49, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Your request for rollback[edit]

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  • Thank you very much! I'll make sure to use this privilege only with the best intentions, and according to the Wikipedia rules. — Dsimic (talk) 14:18, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Sandy Bridge and FinFET[edit]

(Discussion started on InternetMeme's talk page and continued here.)

Hi there,

The idea was to link to the page and section:

So a user who clicks the "FinFET" link will be directed to a section specifically about FinFETs, rather than a more general article about various multigate devices. Is that not the correct thing to do? Or is there another issue I'm not seeing?

InternetMeme (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

  • Hello there! It's just a small confusion, please allow me to explain...
FinFET is a redirect page, and that redirect was basically broken until a few hours ago, when I got it fixed. Previously, FinFET was redirecting to a section title anchor (and that section was renamed at some point in time) within the Multigate device article, and I edited both pages so an explicit anchor is now placed and used. That corrected the FinFET redirect, and it's also preventing such issues with renamed section in the future. Please check out the FinFET redirect, and these two edits: edit #1, edit #2.
Hope it makes sense, please let me know if further explanation is required. — Dsimic (talk) 15:37, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Desktop Enviroment[edit]

Rainbow trout transparent.png Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

You have been trouted for: Under Microsoft windows Do not used "Windows" Xp" / "Windows 7" Used Lana and Areo okay?

Thank you for pointing that out! I knew about Aero, but had no idea about Luna... What do I know, my migration to Linux took place back in 1998 or so. :) — Dsimic (talk) 04:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
Under Microsoft windows Do not used "Windows" Xp" / "Windows 7" Used Lana and Areo okay?
Mathsquare (talk) 03:43, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you! It's somewhat funny I got a barnstar for something related to MS Windows, but that at least shows I'm not biased. :) — Dsimic (talk) 04:11, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

BLAST protocol edits[edit]

Dear Dsimic, please see the "talk" section of the BLAST (protocol) article for my response to your much appreciated attention to said article.Synchronist (talk) 01:54, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello there! I'm glad you're fine with my edits to the BLAST (protocol) article. :) Right now I'm reading you comments and further edits, and will be replying shortly. — Dsimic (talk) 13:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Android 4.4.1 revision[edit]

I saw that you reverted my update. Thanks for catching the layout issue. It didn't seem to show up for me under preview or even after I saved the changes until I collapsed and then expanded the Android 4.4 subsection. It should be good now. I have also added some sources. --Jimv1983 (talk) 02:51, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello there, and you're welcome. :) It's looking good now, with the inline references backing new 4.4.1 content. I've touched it up a bit, please check it out. — Dsimic (talk) 03:12, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Google Experience Launcher[edit]

Take a look at this. Cheers. --uKER (talk) 14:33, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for a heads-up! I'm already looking at it. :) — Dsimic (talk) 14:35, 6 December 2013 (UTC)


Thank you for this; I hadn't noticed so thanks for updating it. In addition, while I'm sure it was implied via my use of the "thanks" feature, thanks for all your work on the Nexus 5 article. :) Best. Acalamari 23:52, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) Exactly, I went to see who thanked me for my edits on the Nexus 5 article, and spotted an outdated external link. :)
While we're there, would it be possible to provide better integration of various external tools into Wikipedia? Or is it all up to the actual Wikimedia software? Some of the tools (for example, page views stats) are confusing and burried so deeply, that I doubt many people are actually using them — while their value and actual usability is undoubtful. Any insights, please? — Dsimic (talk) 00:03, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Hmm...I actually have no idea what processes are used to integrate the external tools! I'd recommend asking Cyberpower678 about this; from my experience, he's fairly knowledgable about technical matters such as this one. Acalamari 09:36, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
In order to integrate them, the devs of this site need to get off of their butts and start doing something. :D. Actually, these tools are used a lot. I recorded that Page History Statistics tool was used over 88,000 times last month. That's quite a lot.—cyberpower OnlineMerry Christmas 12:37, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you both for the insights! Ah, as always, elbow grease is required for new features and improvements. :) — Dsimic (talk) 15:10, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Improved quotation style in article on BLAST protocool[edit]

Yes, Dsimic, it does look better! Synchronist (talk) 02:34, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm glad you like it. :) — Dsimic (talk) 02:38, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Laravel (Framework)[edit]

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  • @MrX: Hm, what's going on? It wasn't me writing this article, I've just renamed it so the second word in its title isn't capitalized. — Dsimic (talk) 20:41, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
Just as a note, quoted from the article's talk page:

You created the redirect at the (almost) same time as I nominated the article for speedy deletion. You can ignore the notification. - MrX 20:48, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

— Dsimic (talk) 20:56, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Laravel (framework)[edit]

History nicely fixed :-)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 20:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Looking good, thank you very much! — Dsimic (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

FYI: FlexRAID at AfD[edit]

Didn't seem notable to me. Someone should look the promo contribs of Special:Contributions/Wikidevb (and other SPAs which wrote that FlexRAID piece) in other articles. Someone not using his real name (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for a heads-up! — Dsimic (talk) 18:29, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

@Dsimic: That section isn't about FlexRAID. An article on FlexRAID is being prepared separately. The section was about RAID over File System as a general RAID approach. Refer to prior discussion on the entry here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spectwiki (talkcontribs) 17:41, July 30, 2014‎ (UTC)

Hello there! Well, Ok, it doesn't hurt to keep it if you insist. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:19, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Nexus 4 Modification Rejected - no reason given?[edit]

Dsimic hi, I don't normally edit articles so perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick. The material in the Nexus 4 page was waffle at the very best and that is what I removed. Is it that I have not correctly followed a procedure (there seem to be a lot) or just that you don't agree, and as a prominent editor/contributor you therefor felt justified in removing my edit with no reasoning? Just so I know what I should do in future. I contribute financially to Wikipedia and hate to see it dumbed-down with junk text. Nick (ozy1ozy) Ozy1ozy (talk) 21:42, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello there, and sorry for my delayed response! I apologize for not providing an edit summary while reverting your edit, so please allow me to explain now... In a few words, your edit deleted majority of the article's content, without a clear link with the deleted content being "bloat-text or advertising adding no useful information", especially as that content already went through multiple rounds of reviewing, debating and consenting. Of course, Wikipedia has clear rules against advertising, WP:Spam etc,. and the whole content has been already verified against them numerous times. Basically, your edit was bordering with blanking as a form of WP:Vandalism, and in such cases it's acceptable to perform the reverting while providing no edit summaries.
Hope it makes sense. If required, I'm more than happy to discuss it further! — Dsimic (talk) 22:37, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Editing OpenStack page[edit]

Hi Dsimic,

I'm very interested in your decision to pull the list of notable people in the cloud computing industry that drive the globally significant OpenStack project? Wikipedia has no problems with low rate movies having lists of actors and such, so why should the cloud computing industry and it's currently most significant project OpenStack not be able to list the leaders of the project? it's a larger than usual "key people" list, but that's the way the governance model is structured, so it's justified to declare that. I will be putting more information up about the unique and innovative OpenStack governance model in the coming days.

Thanks DHOTOU — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drhopontopofus (talkcontribs) 11:51, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello there, and sorry for my delayed response! On second thought, and especially with your intention of adding more details about the OpenStack's governance model, that list makes more sense. Having such a long list isn't that useful per se, as there are hundreds (and probably even thousands) of other people also playing important roles in OpenStack's development, but if we add more details about the structure, inner workings etc., that list will become more useful... Looking forward to your edits!
Also, just as a note, seeing the word "committee" is always bringing me a bitter taste. :) — Dsimic (talk) 22:14, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
@Drhopontopofus: Any updates, please? :) — Dsimic (talk) 15:11, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi Dsimic, I have been a bit snowed this month. I'll get onto this as soon as I can. I'm going to enlist one of the docs guys to help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drhopontopofus (talkcontribs) 04:30, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Just take your time, there's absolutely no hurry. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:35, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

It has been a pleasure[edit]

Hey Dsimic, I've really enjoyed collaborating with you on Replicant (operating system). I think we have made some significant improvements. If you ever need help on a project in the future, I'll be glad to assist. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 00:00, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you very much – I'm glad you enjoyed it, and I'd say that the pleasure was all mine. :) Sure thing, we've made clearly visible improvements, and that's probably going to make Replicant more understandable to a broader audience, while preserving the knowledge and facts for the future. In the end, that's the goal, if you agree. :)
Speaking about bigger projects, there's one I've been putting aside for a long time. :) It's the Logical Volume Manager (Linux) article, which is currently a totally outdated mess. It's such an important part of Linux, and a quite confusing part to many people at the same time; thus, having a good article would have multiple benefits.
Would you like us to go into that as a kind of joint venture? :) — Dsimic (talk) 00:38, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I'd be happy to help with the LVM article. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 01:27, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Sounds great, thank you! I'll try to provide some kind of a "new layout proposal" for the LVM article in the next few days, and we can start from there, if you agree? — Dsimic (talk) 01:31, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
That sounds like a plan. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 02:01, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, I've been sidetracked... Hopefully I'll be able to present the "new layout proposal" in the next few days. — Dsimic (talk) 18:02, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Talk before you revert[edit]

I believe you are in violation of Wiki consensus in your constant reversion without explanation. I carefully explained my reasons in the Talk section for reverting your original edit. You ignored the talk and went ahead and reverted or reinserted without responding, twice. Please see Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. While this is not a policy, your continued reversion without discussion is close to an edit war. Tom94022 (talk) 00:46, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Please, let's take it easy, there's no need for running too fast. I do agree that I should've provided feedback first, but I was at the end of writing my quite long reply on the Talk:Data corruption, when you reverted my two edits. While I totally agree (and stand corrected) that it wasn't the best behavior from my side, you should've also waited for my response before deleting my edits (and you just reverted it once again before talking first).
However, let's move forward; I'll stop doing anything before we reach a consenus. Looking forward to discussing it further! — Dsimic (talk) 01:33, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

C algorithm for Damerau–Levenshtein distance[edit]

I've read your discussion and I understand your reason, on one hand you're right when you say that wikipedia is not a source code repository on the other when I googled Damerau–Levenshtein distance, I was interested into knowing what that was, its applications an so on but, on the other hand, I also needed to implement it in one of my programs, so it would have been very useful to have a runnable (and possibly well written) source code on hand rather than googling again and reinventing the wheel taking pieces of sources here and there (I built the algoritmh i published from various questions on Stack Overflow). So this is my proposal: I publish the source on one website like or github and then I publish the link into the "External Link", section. I've just noticed that there is already a link to a C implementation on github that I skipped yesterday, but I've looked at it now and it seems way too complicated yto be useful (for example I don't understand why a function returning a distance between 2 char vectors never uses the char or char* datatype, I'm sure that a deeper reading will unveil all the mechanism that probably threats char vector as vector of unsigned integers and that in the end it will definitely work, but my implementation, taking simply the two char vector as an input seems to me much easier and clear)Alinoli (talk) 12:24, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Totally agreed on your "External links" proposal, please go for it, and there should be no rules against such inclusions here on Wikipedia. It might be bordering with the WP:HOWTO rules forbidding HOWTO's as external links, but an algorithm implementation could hardly be treated as a HOWTO, and there's already a bunch of such external links in the Damerau–Levenshtein distance article.
Regarding the already linked C implementation and no usage of char, they do use unsigned int instead (possibly for an extended alphabet), there's even a comment on top of the source file stating that: Note we use character ints, not chars. At the same, that implementation looks a bit inefficient, as they use a linked list for deduping and storing stuff, what involves linear searches every time. — Dsimic (talk) 16:25, 3 January 2014 (UTC)
I also agree -- posting source code to some source code repository, and then editing the relevant Wikipedia article to add a link to that source code, is a great idea.
I am unaware of any "rules forbidding HOWTO's as external links", although I often discover new rules I was previously unaware of.
Please give me a link to any Wikipedia policy, guideline, or essay that includes any such rule. Thank you. --DavidCary (talk) 16:50, 4 January 2014 (UTC)
Hm, unfortunately I seem to be unable to find that policy again; the best I can come up with at the moment are WP:LINKSTOAVOID (which doesn't explicitly forbid HOWTOs as external links), and WP:NOTHOWTO (which says that content of articles isn't to be in form of a HOWTO). Maybe I just got it wrong back at the time?
Ah, I know how confusing all those rules, guidelines and policies can be sometimes... There are even a few studies stating that Wikipedia is pretty much no longer growing in terms of getting a lot of quality new content, as not everyone wants to learn all those dozens of rules scattered all around. — Dsimic (talk) 17:21, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Android 4.4 image revert[edit]

Hi, I thought from the talk that one should not make any distictions between Android/AOSP, thus not distinguish between open and closed sourced software. Threrefore, Android as the end used know it is what is provided by Google, thus making screenshots of the GEL appropriate to represent the Android home screen. Looking at, images of the GEL is displayed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pandabear123 (talkcontribs) 21:47, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! This thread on the Talk:Android version history talk page hasn't received any feedback yet, though I partially agree with the proposal itself. Though, there was another discussion before (scattered around), concluding that we shouldn't be including screenshots of the Google Home (also known as Google Experience Launcher), as that's basically a closed-source application which can be running on any version of Android, not only on the "AOSP-like" variants. On the other hand, not providing those Google Home screenshots probably brings in a lot of confusion, as the readers are actually expecting to see them.
In a few words, that's still an open question, and I'd suggest we try first to gain some more attention on the talk page; I'll post a comment there shortly. In my opinion, the solution might also be to include two screenshots ("AOSP" and Google Home), but I'm unsure whether that would actually be a good solution. — Dsimic (talk) 22:07, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Delay in responding about Data Corruption[edit]

Hi Dsimic: I've been down with a bad cold since Jan 2 so haven't responded, but will in the next day or so. Thanks for being patient. You can delete this after u read it. Tom94022 (talk) 21:56, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! No worries, thank you for the notice, and there's no hurry... I hope you're feeling better now? Looking forward to making Data corruption article better! :) — Dsimic (talk) 22:18, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

Concerning your revision on the Android kernel[edit]

Android can technically be built upon any Linux kernel and was never limited to 3.4.10. In fact that version with the citation in the article is wrong. It's the kernel version for the HTC One ONLY. The Nexus 5 for instance uses 3.4.0. The Snap 800 note 3 also uses 3.4.0 with a slightly different revision. Older kernel versions are also used on KitKat, the second Nexus 7 has 3.1.10.

Some devices are able to use kernel 3.12 with proper sources. Even my i9001 runs 3.4.77. There is simply no standard/generic kernel version for Android, it all depends on the SoC, device and sources.


Yowanvista (talk) 11:45, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

  • Hello there! Sorry if my edits sounded like me being lazy or something similar, it was only about the need for providing references while changing articles in such ways. I knew things were the way you edited the Android article, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia where everything is about verifiability of the provided content.
Sure thing that Linux kernel versions are depending on the actual device, and pretty much any (recent) kernel version could be made to fit – it's all about what each manufacturer sticks with, and whether it wants to invest more time (and money) into porting whatever in-house kernel changes they've made, onto a newer version. Remember those infamous (from the security standpoint) changes Samsung had done to the Linux kernel, in order to support cameras on some of its cellphones? Not to mention the main differences introduced by Android's "fork" of the Linux kernel. As we know, once manufacturers do the required "hacks" just to make a device work with a specific Linux kernel version, they're reluctant to invest more resources into further upgrades, as all those different versions seem to be the same ish to their upper-level management. :)
— Dsimic (talk) 02:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


What does the non-breaking space do? --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 02:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

In this case, improves the way content of table cells is wrapped, by keeping together compounds that include a space. In case you'd like to see more details about the inner workings, {{nbsp}} is a good starting point. — Dsimic (talk) 02:15, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Interesting --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Right, and it all comes from the standard &nbsp; HTML element. — Dsimic (talk) 02:43, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Android hardware requirements[edit]

Ooops sorry I don't know what happened, your link work, but when I did the change my browser (firefox) was jumping to the bottom of the page. --Dadu (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! No worries; you're right about the redirects to anchors not working properly sometimes, regarding the vertical scrolling of pages upon such redirects. I've seen that myself too on various redirects to the Android version history article, as well as on some other articles.
As far as I can tell, that's up to the anchors positioning being performed by using JavaScript code, not through plain anchors in URLs – and probably something becomes messed up with the vertical positioning because of those collapsed sections in the Android version history article. I'm not a JavaScript expert, but that could be debugged quite quickly using Firebug by placing a few breakpoints into the JavaScript code and tracing what's happening there. Maybe it would be good to post a MediaWiki bug report?
Also, please have a look at the discussion provided within the section which is now linked as see also above – in its second half, that discussion provides a further insight into the inner workings of MediaWiki redirects. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:42, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

About sue from Nikon[edit]

Nikon sue only for the style, but IMO Nikon worry about Android OS, Nikon worry if something happen as mobile phone and mainly smartphone made compact camera sold only 40 percent than 2 years before, while 2013 DSLR sold is also declining. Thank you.Gsarwa (talk) 04:29, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! That sounds as a good possible further addition to the Android (operating system) article; are there any references providing such a description of the lawsuit? If there are such sources, Android (operating system) § Cameras section could be expanded further. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:40, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Help request[edit]

If you are looking for a new article to edit, I just created Ark OS. It's pretty minimal right now, and could seriously benefit from that magic Dsimic touch. --WikiTryHardDieHard (talk) 00:38, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing, I'll have a look. By the way, I'm not a magician (wished I was one), but just a guy spending too much time at his computer screens. :) Also, regarding the previously mentioned Logical Volume Manager (Linux) article, that's somewhat on ice for now, but we'll get to its rewrite eventually. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:45, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Column formatting[edit]

I've noticed you're setting up column formatting for References and See also in numerous articles. This is all well and good. Would you mind marking these edits as minor to keep our watchlists reasonable? Thanks. ~KvnG 14:21, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thanks for noticing on that, I've been thinking more than a few times whether such edits should be marked as minor or not; guess my dilemma is now resolved. :) Though, on my watchlist (currently 1,100 articles) I'm reviewing minor edits as well. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Matrix at feature hashing[edit]

Re: your edit, what was shown instead of the matrix? I have MathJax turned on because it's more reliable and produces better-looking output, so I hadn't seen the problem. Sometimes, saving without changes can force the LaTeX output to be regenerated. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 20:50, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Instead of the expected matrix, this message was displayed in red (of course, you can log off Wikipedia and look at the revision in order to verify it):
Failed to parse(PNG conversion failed; check for correct installation of latex and dvipng (or dvips + gs + convert)): \begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 & 1 & 1 & 2 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 \\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 & 1 \end{bmatrix}
Tried a few things, including reducing the number of columns, and for some reason everything over 8–9 columns (or so) seems to result in this error. I really have no idea why – that's not a huge number of columns? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Your revert of Ethernet[edit]

It's not a matter of better language but of verifiability. "A frame begins with preamble and start frame delimiter, ..." implies that preamble and SFD are part of the frame which they are not.

Your source, clause "The preamble <preamble> begins a frame transmission. [...] The SFD (Start Frame Delimiter) <sfd> indicates the start of a frame ..." is ambiguous – it doesn't really tell where these sequences belong to. Please take a look at the more basic clauses 3.1.1 and 3.2 which very clearly show and state that preamble and SFD are not part of the frame but the (largely neglected) packet: "A MAC frame starts immediately after the SFD." (3.2.2).

With respect to your preferences I'll change the phrase to "a frame begins after the preamble and SFD". Zac67 (talk) 18:45, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you very much for pointing out sections 3.1.1 and 3.2 (from the 802.3-2012_SECTION1.pdf file), where the relation between Etherner frames and packets is clearly stated. Also, current language is looking good to me; went ahead and added a reference, followed by a small language cleanup. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Great – I keep finding the same problem here and there, but we can surely weed that out. Zac67 (talk) 10:33, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Sure thing; I've seen your further edits correcting that in the Ethernet frame article, and I've improved and corrected the Start frame delimiter article so it clearly states the difference between Ethernet frames and Ethernet packets. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 20:50, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Debian timeline[edit]

Sorry to bother you. I've spent over an hour trying to find the origin of {{Timeline Debian GNU/Linux}} as used in the main Debian Wikipedia article. It's out of date (and I think about to become more so), but I can't find the "source" with which to fix it. I see you take an interest in that Debian article, and are probably more skilled than I am on Wiki-matters, so I hope you can point me to the relevant editing page. Larry Doolittle (talk) 20:35, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! You're not bothering, we're all here to help each other. :)
That chart is a template, and it can be edited just as any other Wikipedia template or page. Just click on the above template link (which I've created in this edit), and you'll go to the template page where it can be edited as usual. I know it's quite confusing to get to those templates (and not documented AFAIK) – that's where the {{t|Template_name}} tag comes handy. Also, you can manually create and open a direct URL in form of
Hope it helps. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:07, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
That helps tremendously! I've already edited that template to include the 7.3 update. Thanks so much! Larry Doolittle (talk) 21:36, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:39, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Template:Android tablets[edit]

It doesn't look like ThinkPad Tablet 2 is Android? Frietjes (talk) 23:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

You're totally right, it was simply my brainfart to get it included there, sorry. Thank you for catching it so quickly!
The same applies to ThinkPad 8, and I've already corrected that, while adding it into the {{Windows tablets}} template. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Redirect template formatting[edit]

Regarding your "cleanup" of my edit on Intel HD Graphics, I was following the format mentioned to me by Paine Ellsworth (talk · contribs), who told me that {{redr}} should be used even if only one category is desired and that a line break should be put between the template and the redirect itself. Is there evidence that this is no longer the consensus? (I see now that WP:REDCAT mentions the line break but not {{redr}}; I'm not sure how regularly that guideline is being updated though.) --SoledadKabocha (talk) 05:45, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Regarding my edit, the main intention was to have this redirect page using the {{R ...}} categorization syntax; basically, {{redr}} template is (still) just a proposal for a redirects unification and not officially suggested to be used, as visible from its documentation and WP:REDCAT. If {{redr}} template had become the offical way for tagging redirects, there would be bots automatically editing redirect pages thus making it used all around.
Regarding putting everything into the same line, it's somewhat common to do that if there's only one {{R ...}} tag – I've seen hundreds of such redirects (and zero redirects using {{redr}} template, by the way). I'm not saying that merging it into the same line is by the book, but it makes such "one-R" redirects a bit more readable, I'd guess, so editors tend not to put single "R-tags" into separate lines. IIRC, I've even seen a few bots placing these tags into the same line, while fixing double redirects etc. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:08, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Since my name was mentioned, I suppose my "2 cents" is welcome here? Since there is no set rule on whether to use the {{This is a redirect}} (Redr) template or place Rcats on redirects individually, and since both ways accomplish the same thing in terms of categorization, then there is no reason why either method cannot be used. Most of the redirects I come across, whether or not they already have an Rcat or two, usually need at least one more Rcat, so I use the Redr template to tag redirects with up to six Rcats in one template. I suppose I may be a little biased since I've put so many hours in improving the Redr, but I favor the way it presents text over just to add the Rcats individually. I recently enabled the Redr template to take Rcat parameters as I explained in the documentation and am still looking for ways to improve it. I also made a comparison page so editors can see the difference. This has become more important now that the two bugs were fixed and text appears on redirects. I wish I could judge you and say its wrong to convert from the Redr template to individual usage, but I convert in the other direction whenever I get the chance, so I cannot be one to judge. At this point it is a matter of contributor preference, and even though I consider the Redr usage as a major advancement over individual usage, others' opinions may differ. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 14:49, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Of course you're welcome – the whole Wikipedia was built by many two-cent contributions. :) As always, it's good to have multiple ways and different options for doing the same thing; the only bit unclear to me is that the official redirects categorization manual nowhere mentions usage of the {{redr}} template? Why is it so? Did it go through an extensive voting procedure to go out of the proposal state? Also, while looking at the usage and results differences, {{redr}} template produces somewhat "too blingy" messages on the redirect pages, when compared to the messages produced by {{R ...}} tags – though, that's only my opinion. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
If "blingy" means "gaudy", "flashy", etc., then perhaps it can be toned down, although it would be nice for you to explain exactly what you mean. For nearly all of the Rcats, the messages are the same whether the Rcat is deployed individually or within the Redr template. So if the messages are too blingy, then they are so no matter which method is used. The reason I have not added Redr to REDCAT is because up until very recently Redr had some limitations that needed to be improved, plus the fact that only last month the bugs were fixed and text was then allowed on redirects. If you'll check the oldest bug, bug 14323, you'll see how long it's been in the fixing, and little "warning" was given that it was about to be fixed, so until now there hasn't been any big hurry to improve Redr. As we speak I have almost completed the addition of another parameter that will fully enable {{R from alternative language}}'s parameters in Redr. A few more tests to make sure the expected performance is up to snuff, and I will deploy the new parameter. Then Redr's limitations will be few and far between. Keep in mind that I and others have been using Redr to tag and sort redirects for nearly six years, so even without its recent improvements, its utility has been excellent for all but a few applications. If it's blinginess from your perspective turns out to be in its usage of color, then if you like, we could try a different type of Mbox to get a less blingy color scheme? The "type" parameter choices can be found at Template:Mbox#Parameters if you would like to experiment with how the different types appear. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 02:02, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for a detailed insight! That longstanding bug #14323 is quite a good example of how much persistence is often required to make something happen. With all that effort going into the {{redr}} template, I'd say you should go ahead and include it into the WP:REDCAT once you feel it's ready.
Regarding the "bling factor", I'm not sure how important are my own aesthetics assessments, :) however I went and compared again two variants of the Intel HD Graphics redirect page – "R-tag" and "redr template"... On second thought, and after spending some time erasing the mental imprint of the {{R ...}} tags, I'd say that adding a 1em top padding to the message box would make a world of difference, as right now it sits too close to the redirect description. It's somewhat "blingy" when compared to the R-tag's output, but it's quite nice once that old imprint is gone – but still, that padding would put a cherry on top. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:00, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Is there any conclusion I should draw from this discussion yet? (Paine Ellsworth, sorry for relying on WP:Notifications rather than notifying you manually.)

Is it worth formally proposing that {{redr}} is to be used iff multiple categories are desired? What syntax will be used for "{{R from alternative language}}'s parameters in Redr"? --SoledadKabocha (talk) 18:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Hehe, iff, thumbs up! In my opinion, it is worth proposing the {{redr}} template for official inclusion into the WP:REDCAT manual, once the last bits are ironed out; to me, its use shouldn't be limited to multiple categories only. Of course, all that only if Paine Ellsworth agrees. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:01, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
It's all good, SoledadKabocha. It's probably "high time" to add Redr to REDCAT, and I agree with Dsimic that Redr should not be limited to multiple Rcats. While I haven't yet come across a redirect that couldn't be sorted into at least one category, Redr is designed to tag redirects that don't need an Rcat into Category:Miscellaneous redirects. That cat now has 22 inhabitants, and while I haven't scrutinized them yet, I would bet I could put at least one Rcat on all or most of them. The sandbox version is ready to be deployed with the "to" parameter for {{Ralterlang}}, and I wonder if both of you would mind having a look? Not too sure yet about the minor addition of the small text at the bottom, which notifies that it is the This is a redirect template. Too blingy, maybe? Also, I have placed a non-breaking space at the top of the sandbox code that may accomplish what you, Dsimic, have suggested? It's elegance is a bit wanting; however, this may be better than spacing the top of the Mbox that probably has applications for which a top space would not be appropriate. Please do not pull any punches, as my main concern is to improve Redr. Joys! – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX! 07:27, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
PS. There is a ready comparison of live vs. sandbox at Template:This is a redirect/testcases. PS added by – Paine Ellsworth CLIMAX!
I had a look at the sandbox version, and—quite frankly—the addition of "This is the {{This is a redirect}} template." at the bottom doesn't look good to me. I've never seen something like that on any of the Wikipedia's templates, and such kind of an "advertisement" (or a usage hint) shouldn't be there, as it's perfectly normal to have a look at the source code; if someone cares about it, the source code is already there, otherwise no ads would do any good. :)
Regarding the top spacing, it might be better to use a surrounding table or <div> element with the required CSS definition, as those might play better with the rest of the page elements, when compared to placing a more simple <br />. Also, including a simple <br /> actually creates a surrounding <p> element containing that <br /> in the rendered HTML code, what results in a vertical spacing much larger than the desired 1em spacing. Of course, no modifications should go to the already existing templates, everything goes into the {{Redr}}'s composition of them.
Just my $0.02. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:38, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
Just as an example, here's a table bringing the desired 1em top spacing, as described above:
{| style="width: 100%; padding-top: 1em;"
| {{Redr}}
Sorry if I'm overexplaining. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:48, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Didn't mean to[edit]

Undo you here. I just thought I accidentally inserted two blank lines. Beware that there has been some unholy MOS war about this issue, i.e. how many lines are allowed in the footer. (General pointer [1]) Someone not using his real name (talk) 20:25, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

No worries, it's just a newline character, nothing more. :) Interestingly, WP:STUB states that "it is usually desirable to leave two blank lines between the first stub template and whatever precedes it." Based on that manual entry, there actually should be two blank lines, leaving more vertical space before the stub template? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:28, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

Red links[edit]

Please do not remove red links, as you did at Metadata - they're a deliberate feature of Wikipedia; see WP:REDLINK. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Yeah, I've read about the redlinks a long time ago, and they used to be much more recommended back at the time when the Wikipedia's coverage was much more narrow. Also, according to the manual, it actually isn't recommended to create redlinks for people's names – "red links to personal names should be avoided". Anyway, I'm fine with leaving the Metadata's redlink as-is. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:06, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

App Ops[edit]

On reflection I think this comment was unnecessarily harsh and I'm sorry for it. – Steel 22:50, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

No worries! I'm always open to other people pointing out my deficiencies, bugs in code, areas for improvement etc. In my opinion, that's the only way to learn and improve yourself; taking a primrose path is much more convenient, but isn't good at all. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:02, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
For your distinction between Android RAM requirements and recommendations. read (talk) 23:03, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much, read! Though, I'm not sure that I deserve the credit – I've just cleaned up and propagated further the edit on Android version history article, which was originally submitted by XSpidey01x. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Nokia X[edit]

I removed categories because the article already was part of subcategories of them, for example, all Capacitive touchscreen mobile phones are automatically "also" Touchscreen mobile phones, and as a consequence automatically "also" Mobile phones. At least at Commons, where I'm more familiar with categorising, this would be a clear case of overcategorisation. |FDMS 17:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! You're right, I stand corrected; Category:Capacitive touchscreen mobile phones is covering all deleted categories. Went ahead and re-introduced your changes to the categories in Nokia X article, and cleaned them up even further – please check it out. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 17:33, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I overhauled the PCI express pinout chart[edit]

I'm curious what you think. If you want to revert it all, or make massive edits, that's okay. I just figured it wasn't so dubious I had to do it in a talk page; I figured I'd WP:BB and do the edit process live. (talk) 23:40, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! You did a good job with layout compaction, but to me it seems like something that might be confusing to the readers, especially as we have different types of cards ending at various pin positions. Also, it looks even more confusing when viewed on small screens... Trust me, I love compact layouts, so reverting it was really difficult to me – it hurts me to see so much work going down the drain. :( Anyway, I'm still thinking about how to make the layout more compact; any suggestions, please? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 18:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
I was thinking about how to make it more compact while not introducing any potential confusion, and came to nothing that would be an acceptable solution. Having all that in mind, I've just reverted my revert, restoring your initial compacted version. If anyone becomes confused by it, well, that's not our fault. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:45, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, thanks for the fedback. Actually, it could easily be compacted further, as the comments describing the differential pairs have very little information content and can be easily compressed. What window size are you using? Using a 640x480 pixel window, the main problem I see is that the line-wrapping of the legend thickens some rows at the bottom of the table.
I think a bit of prose explaining that the power and low-speed signals all come before the key notch, while high-speed signals all come after in a variable-width section could be combined with long explanations for the before-the-notch pins and terse ones for after.
Can you explain the issues you'd like addressed? (talk) 07:08, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome, and thank you for your feedback! Actually, I see no big issues with various browser window sizes (to me, rows thickening you've described isn't a big deal), while the only "itchy" thing is to somehow "connect" two "columns", making it clear that a ×16 card is what takes up pins listed in the second column. That's, in my opinion, the only thing possibly causing confusion – otherwise, the new layout is as good as it gets for so many pins to be listed. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:25, 3 March 2014 (UTC)


Hi, cool guy

I could come up with several reasons to perform this deletion but I chose one that covers them all. In case I wasn't clear enough, here is my concerns: You see, the text is unreferenced, has no context and is very technical, so much so that only interests a minority. So, I supplied manual as the reason because manual is the place where you read unreferenced technical stuff like this. (If you'd have to add a source for them, your source would be most likely a manual.)

When I removed them, I thought chances are that they are listed in one of the sources in close proximity, so no one misses anything. But if nothing else, let's at least solve the invalid HTML problem. It's ordered list item -> definition list -> definition item, which is not good. The same list can be written in prose form.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 01:32, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Hey, how are you? :) Please, let me check first whether those instructions are contained in one of the already existing references, and I'll come back with an update. My main reason for reverting your edit was that such information might be helpful and usable to some readers, so preserving it might be better than deleting. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:40, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay. I've checked the surrounding references, and now I agree that the note is pretty much an overkill, representing a marginal information already contained in the reference #22 (starting on page 65) for those who need such specific stuff. Went ahead and reverted my earlier revert. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:40, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Always a pleasure working with you. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 04:39, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Please undo yourself...[edit]

Well, I thought my edit summary was quite clear that I was about to do another undo (which I can't do now due to the edit conflict and overlapping edit region). Can you revert yourself so I may show you without me having to undo again? Widefox; talk 22:37, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Ok, there you go, though that doesn't make much sense, honestly. While here, you could've also explained what are you actually intending to achieve, if you agree – maybe we could discuss the whole thing in order to find the best option, for example. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:45, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
You had to revert something in order to perform this edit? Please tell me you're kidding. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:01, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Eventually Yes check.svg Done If my edit summaries weren't clear please say. If they were clear to you, best not to undo when someone else is mid-undo! All yours now. Widefox; talk 23:30, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome! I see what you wanted to achieve and that was just fine, but the revert was somewhat confusing. Anyway, it's all good now. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:36, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for the kind words. Someone not using his real name (talk) 23:41, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, and you're welcome! Hopefully, this advice (if I may call it so) might be helpful. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:12, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Dear Dragan[edit]

Dear Dragan: I am injecting myself into the dialogue regarding artificial intelligence (see the newly created User:Synchronist), and I am counting on you to be my Virgil! User:Qwertyus also alerted! Synchronist (talk) 05:21, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Wow, your life and work sounds quite amazing! As someone born in one of not so shiny parts of the world (but striving toward the escape), I'm always amazed seeing anyone doing things out of ordinary, and making for a living the same way – heck, even by working as a kinetic sculptor. :) Please feel free to call me crazy, but to me, that's quite amazing.
At the same time, I guess Wikipedia isn't that much of Hell and Purgatory? :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:51, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Don't kid yourself -- like 99% of all other artists, I have a day job, and not a very glamorous one at that, since I am trying to preserve my mental energy for my art -- and for my participation in this here noosphere. P.S. Thanks for the indents -- I didn't know how! Synchronist (talk) 15:49, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. Thank you for the clarification – it's quite interesting that the majority of people has day jobs which have little to do with their true desires and passions. I'd say that only truly successful companies are managing to somehow connect people's passions and commercial viability; in my opinion, that's what creates progress through creation of brand new products, ideas etc. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:27, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Inversion of control[edit]

Thanks for the thanks. I’m confused by your latest edits here. "Assembly object" is a fairly important concept. I’m not sure what your objection to it is, but I found the new edits harder to understand. I think we should put more work into this.Strebe (talk) 08:35, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! I totally agree that the Inversion of control article could be improved further – no article can ever be too good. :)
Regarding the above linked edit, I really see no point in keeping the "assembler object" which is actually quite confusing – to me, it sounds like some special piece of object code doing the work while involving usage of an assembler (what's, quite frankly, next to a nonsense), or it also could be understood as some special object hidden somewhere while doing the magic. In fact, there's no such special object or code doing the inversion of control (or dependency injection), which is in fact an extremely broad concept based on what programming languages are offering through their basic language constructs. There's no mystery behind the whole thing, so defluffing the lead section by stripping out the "assembler object" can be only a good thing.
Having the "assembler object" is pretty much similar to as if we had some kind of a "recursion manager" for the plain recursion, or a "template selector" for template metaprogramming. :) Hope you agree, and of course I'm more than open to further discussion. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Yun OS[edit]

As far as I'm noticed, the last part of the article was about whether that thing is android or not, but the last statement which i removed and you added back suggest there are android applications available......The system's android compatibility is announced officially and as far as I concerned, neither side of the argument used the ability to install many android apps as a main argument...C933103 (talk) 20:17, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello there, and sorry for my delayed response. I see you've already changed that part of the article, while leaving the part describing Aliyun's app store distributing pirated Android applications. It's pretty much important to keep the note on pirated applications, as it also confirms the fact Yun OS is capable of running ordinary Android applications what's related to the clash between Google and Aliyun regarding the true nature of Yun OS. I've improved that section further, please check it out. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:28, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

The tech barnstar for you![edit]

Barnstar-lightbulb3.png The Technology Barnstar
For your extensive contributions in the field of computing. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 13:17, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much! Knowing your expertise in the field of artificial intelligence, I'm even more proud of this barnstar. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 20:02, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Congratulations! (And thank you for improving my talk page by adding the two templates. I am still not very knowledgeable of the many templates that are available.) — Anita5192 (talk) 21:42, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, and you're welcome! The vast variety of templates (which is good, of course) is what makes knowing and using them quite time-consuming. Even worse, there seems to be no single point of entry into that maze of templates. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:01, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Minor wiki code cleanup on RAID[edit]

I'm glad I'm not the only one bothered by Lowercase sigmabot's failure to add a line break! Thanks for fixing it. Note that I complained about the issue earlier this month, but the issue stalled after the fix caused an error. If you would like, you are welcome to ask the bot's owner and reference my thread in the archives. – voidxor (talk | contrib) 05:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Guess what, now I'm also extremely happy knowing I'm not the only person bothered by such things. :) Thank you very much for commenting!
There's another related issue with this bot (or maybe another bot, will explain) – when the {{pp-protected}} tag is removed later by a bot, an empty line is left at the beginning of the article source code, producing in most cases additional empty vertical space when rendered into HTML and displayed. I've already fixed one or two of such removals, but unfortunately can't recall on which articles and whether it was the Lowercase sigmabot or some other bot removing the tag.
Thank you for pointers to the bugfix request, I'll try to post again a bug report about these issues. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Ah, yes, those empty lines were the error caused by the introduced bugfix; sorry, didn't go immediately through provided links. Why people don't test changes they make against such anticipated regressions? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:10, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Operating system–level virtualization[edit]

Hey, with this edit: Special:Permalink/596825429 you moved the article because of its punctuation. How do you know the correct punctuation? Help:Punctuation does not help me. User:ScotXWt@lk 15:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Please have a look at MOS:ENDASH and a detailed discussion which addresses suffixed compound adjectives much further while slightly confronting with that MOS section; while you're there, it might be worth to also have a look at a related discussion. By the way, in case you haven't looked at the Manual of Style discussions before, you'll be discovering a whole new world of its own. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 18:29, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Just in case anyone reads this later, here's another related MoS discussion – a lengthy one, of course. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

And/or considered harmful[edit]

Thank you. :) Sloppy writing has no place in the compendium of the human knowledge, we should extinguish this uclear construct used by those too lazy to decide whether to use and or or. Sofia Koutsouveli (talk) 23:07, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. :) I agree, and that's inline with "if you're gonna do it, do it right". — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:13, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Blank lines in talk page discussions[edit]

Please don't insert blank lines between indented talk page posts, as you have been doing at User talk:Σ. This goes against both WP:LISTGAP (Do not separate list items, including items in a definition list (a list made with leading semicolons and colons)) and WP:INDENTGAP (Blank lines should not be used between indented lines as they are currently rendered as the end of a list and the start of a new one.). Thank you. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I know about those list rules, but I have that bad habit only because it makes editing long lists easier – and I do that only on lengthy talk pages, never in articles. However, I'll do my best to get rid of that habit. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 16:16, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

That guy[edit]

Oranjelo100 is at it again. Now he's moved on to game emulation. I'm not asking you to do anything. I just thought I'd let you know, in case he's continued abusing your scope of involvement with Wikipedia, because I saw your history of trying so valiantly and thoroughly to deal with this person. You handled it perfectly, and incredibly thoroughly, and positively but realistically, and I completely agree with you. You were given ridiculous advice such as "perhaps you could have been slightly" blah blah. No, you pretty much couldn't. :( — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 10:57, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for a heads-up and for kind words!
Yeah, I've seen that Oranjelo100 is back, now in different parts of Wikipedia. The main trouble with him/her is complete absence of self-criticism and obviously not-so-good English. Well, English isn't my native language either, but at least I've been hard at work learning it for the past 20 years or so – and I still keep learning it. :) On the other hand, I'd say that Oranjelo100 is quite good in adding raw facts, but the troubles arise when raw facts are to be converted into good and usable content.
At the same time, I'm sure we'll agree that nobody is perfect, but humans are supposed to become better with time and work – at least in theory. Making mistakes is a way to learn. Though, the trouble is I haven't seen any of those improvements from Oranjelo100, and I've seen tons of mistakes.
Regarding those advices on the RFC, ah, you know how it is – those advices are generally good, but they're like proposing world peace and such stuff... It's all great, but how do we deal with the stuff currently on our hands? :) Should I have walked away from repairing damaged articles while proposing world peace? :) That's a standard issue with disconnected management, as things are always looking good from a greater distance.
Hope it makes sense. Unfortunately, I'm afraid I really have no idea how to help, as talking to Oranjelo100 simply doesn't yield much. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 17:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)


Hello Dsimic. I noticed you reverted my change to the backporting page. I used to think that backporting meant applying bug fixes from new versions to old versions just like the article used to explain, but and the do not fit that mold, hence my expansion. As it is, the article is back to not defining the term in a comprehensive enough manner. Do you have a better definition? If not, all unrevert and let somebody else improve it. ARosa (talk) 04:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Please allow me to explain why I've reverted your edit, and I'm sure we'll end up in further expansion of the Backporting article. Edit summary I've provided didn't describe it well, and I apologize for that.
Basically, you've introduced a pretty much new (article-wise, of course) meaning of the term "backporting" only into the article's lead section, which is there to provide a summary of the article. In other words, that meaning of the term is nowhere available in the article, so introducing a new meaning only in lead section unfortunately isn't the way to go. The article requires a slight layout rework and a new section which is going to describe a somewhat different meaning behind the "backporting" term. Part of all that would be an update to the lead section, of course, but only together with expansion of the article.
Currently, the article describes backporting as taking smaller pieces (like security fixes) from newer versions of software and incorporating them into older versions. New meaning for backporting is about incorporating much larger chunks of code, like complete device drivers or complete software packages. At the same time, current Backporting § Examples section pretty much isn't inline with the rest of the article, and article expansion would nicely tie it all together.
Just as a note, the following sources could also be used as references for the new section:
Hope you agree. Thoughts? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:55, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Another example for the new section (and for Backporting § Examples section, of course), could be Red Hat's backport of GCC 4.4 from RHEL 6 to RHEL 5; please see Red Hat's documentation which is describing this further. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
You've gathered lots of good material. I edited the lead section to be more general. It'd be great if you expanded the article as you described.ARosa (talk) 03:17, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, I'll have a look and expand the article further. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:25, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


Hi Dsimic, good to see you added the bitstream entry. I'd refrained (I guess we both came to BSD dab from Phoronix?!) as there wasn't a vendor neutral target, so I quickly created something and changed the target and entry. Widefox; talk 09:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Actually, I came to creating the BSD disambiguation link while reviewing edits – and one of them added link to a Phoronix article as a reference. A quick search on Wikipedia came back with no vendor-neutral destinations for bit stream decoder so I went by redirecting it to anything useful. That was the first step, and it's awesome you took it from there and improved further! — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:20, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I wanted to add it to the dab when I was cleaning it up, was surprised it wasn't defined anywhere so had left it lacking. Stream processing is a better target, but it'll do for now, and at least we're not making out it's only one vendor. I personally don't use anchors. Widefox; talk 09:17, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Explicit anchors do add some more complexity, but in my opinion they're very usable as many times section titles are changed, breaking the links. At the same time, it's much more neat to have an {{Anchor}} inside section titles rather than attaching those <!-- warning: something links here --> comments. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:36, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Cache Intersystems[edit]

Why did you remove Cache Intersystems from well known DBMS? This is the premier DBMS for healthcare systems and many financial institutions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:59, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Well, I've been dealing with databases quite a lot, and I've never heard of Cache Intersystems; I'm far away from being an absolute expert in databases, but at least should be able to judge what's a well-know DBMS and what isn't. :) If we go into covering a broad variety of various databases, we could also include now pretty much defunct Informix, for example – I know at least a dozen of big companies which are still using it. Even already listed FileMaker Pro should probably be also deleted. However, it's about providing a not too long list of well-known databases in the article's lead section.
Hope you agree. Of course, I'm more than open for discussing this further. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Cache Intersystems is a very well known DBMS that provides solutions outside of the relational DB model. This DBMS should at least be credited for its different style of database management. The article is currently skewed to provide bias towards relational models, the site should be more unbiased. Have you looked into the link I posted? Cache Intersystems in a non-relational database that is the fastest non-relational database system on the planet. I think that because it is the most efficient, and most used by healthcare (and some financial) institutions that it should be included. Please let me know why it is not included, if that's the decision that you reach. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, as you insist I'm fine with the inclusion of a link to the InterSystems Cache article – go ahead, and I won't touch it. :) However, there are other non-relational and/or multi-dimensional databases claiming to be the fastest, like Palo OLAP database. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

<tt> or <code> tags[edit]

You recently changed existing <code> tags to <tt> on the Crypto API (Linux) article. Why? As far as I can tell, there is no visual difference between them. "Code" seems like a more descriptive version and I've seen people convert them the other way around. -- intgr [talk] 09:32, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Regarding my edit you've described above – <code> tag produces pale bluish (#F9F9F9) background for the rendered text, while <tt> tag doesn't do that. Here's an example, try adjusting your monitor to see the actual difference:
Here's some text with inside the <code> tag,
and some more text inside the <tt> tag.
In my opinion, having no explicit background defined looks much better and it's mandatory in tables having background colors other than #F9F9F9 (what's the default for background-color), see Master boot record § Sector layout section for a few examples. The main reason why people tend to replace these tags the other way around is, I'd say, because the <tt> tag is deprecated in HTML5, but that isn't going to become an issue that soon. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
Ah I see now. I really didn't notice that background before you pointed it out. -- intgr [talk] 09:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it's not that easily visible, especially on short <code> sections. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 19:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hm, since when OpenSSH is a fork, and of what?[edit]

FYI OpenSSH is a fork of OSSH, which is a fork of ssh by Tatu Ylönen. See Project History and Credits page of OpenSSH site. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talktrack) 21:16, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out – there's always something new to learn. I've reverted my edit. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:22, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
At the same, I've expanded the OpenSSH § History section a bit, so it's also described there for future reference. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:33, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Microsoft Cortana Easter Eggs[edit]

Hey. Look at this: Microsoft Cortana Easter Eggs. Looks like someone makes an article every time Microsoft so much as sneezes or burps. (talk) 15:20, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Hm, that's a somewhat funny list of predetermined answers (just look at "You're awesome" which leads to "Thanks. My programming prevents false modesty, so I can't disagree."), but definitely not good for having a separate article, so my vote goes for it to be deleted. Thank you for a heads-up. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:32, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about unrestricted bootloader[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:Infobox mobile phone#Unrestricted bootloader. You were selected because of recent edits to the article Android rooting. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:03, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I'll have a look at this discussion while trying to provide a NPOV opinion. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:39, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay, I've added my opinion a few hours ago. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 12:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Graphics Lab Request[edit]

Check the Graphics Lab. I've had a crack at the M.2 keying request.  :) NikNaks talk - gallery 20:13, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! The SVG drawing you've created looks great, thank you very much for resolving the Graphics Lab request! I've added this picture into the M.2 article, and it helps a lot in explaining keying of the M.2's edge connector, as well as providing a depiction of the edge connector and socket with their pins/contacts overlapping on different sides. May I ask whether you'd be willing to have a look at another Graphics Lab request? :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm very much a 2D artist rather than 3D, but if no-one else takes the request I'll probably have a go at it at some point. If it gets archived before it's finished, you're more than welcome to simply repost it. NikNaks talk - gallery 13:04, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Check the lab. :) Also, if your original request further up the page (where you link to PDF files) is no longer required, please let me know, or mark it resolved yourself, so that it can be archived. Thanks! NikNaks talk - gallery 18:37, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Another SVG drawing you've created also looks great, and it looks even better with larger labels, thank you very much! I've added this picture into the SATA Express article – it helps a lot in describing what the SATA Express motherboard (host-side) connector looks like, and how the backward compatibility with legacy SATA devices is ensured. Awesome! :)
Regarding the Graphics Lab request for SATA Express connectors, unfortunately the content of PDF file is copyrighted so creating SVG drawings based on it doesn't seem to be acceptable. I'll mark it as resolved, as File:SATA Express motherboard connection.svg provides enough details until we can find a non-copyrighted source for all available variants of SATA Express connectors. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Okay, then. If you do ever find something suitable, of course, you're more than welcome to make another request. Glad I could help. :D NikNaks talk - gallery 22:40, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for creating the SVG files! I'll feel free to submit new Graphics Lab request(s). :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Red Hat Linux article[edit]

Information icon Hello, I'm Masssly. I wanted to let you know that I undid one or more of your recent contributions to Red Hat Linux because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. —Sadat (Masssly)TCM 21:03, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, that edit probably requires some discussion so we find the best possible solution. I'll leave a message on your talk page. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, it's probably better to keep the discussion in one place, and you've also stated on your talk page that's how you prefer it.
Regarding your revert on the Red Hat Linux article, here's why I've deleted the content in the first place. If you have a detailed look at the info it provided, it's pretty much about the history of Red Hat as a company, not about Red Hat Linux as a Linux distribution – deleted content could be classified as WP:TRIVIA simply because it goes too far away from what the article is about. Just as a few examples, what do "1986: ARPANET founded", "February 1999: IBM and Red Hat announce Linux Alliance" or "January 2007: Red Hat launches Certified Service Provider Program" have to do with Red Hat Linux as a Linux distribution?
In other words, the deleted section could fit well into the Red Hat article which describes the company, but not within the Red Hat Linux article which describes the company's primary product that's a Linux distribution.
Hope it makes sense. Of course, I'm more than open to discussing this further. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Taking time to go through the article I understand what yo mean, that stuff doesn't really fit well in Red Hat Linux. Meanwhile some of that sundry information is pretty useful I wish someone could pick that up and include it in Red Hat "company" article. Thank you for corresponding. kind regards —Sadat (Masssly)TCM 08:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm glad we're on the same page. It really hurts me whenever I delete anything that someone had invested a lot of time into, so I went ahead and added a to-do for the Red Hat article that refers to the deleted timeline content. Hopefully somebody will pick that up at some point in the future. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:33, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Discussion at Template talk:KDE[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:KDE. Thanks. Codename Lisa (talk) 10:40, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I'll have a look at this discussion while trying to provide a NPOV opinion. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 20:43, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. It is always good to ask for the opinion of someone who knows more about Linux and its landscape. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 13:01, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome! Nobody knows everything, but many people know a lot together – your edit on my talk page is a good example, thank you for pointing out that additional feature of the {{See also}} template! If I recall correctly, that feature might be a recent addition to this template, as I've seen it at least a few times where rendered output was "Article#Section" instead of "Article § Section"? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:14, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
Yes. It is rather new. Although § sign was part of Wikipedia and people loved {{section link}}, the number of people who knew about it was small. I asked an admin to implement a parsing function in {{Main}}, {{See also}}, {{Further}} and {{Details}} that converts # to § and people seem to love it.
Now I don't go around removing |l1= from people's talk pages; but you are open-minded and friendly. So, I abused your hospitality and did that edit. Face-wink.svg
Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 02:30, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
That's awesome, thank you very much for initiating such an improvement! I totally agree that the "Article § Section" format is much, much more readable and better in general. At the same time, please feel free to abuse my hospitality whenever it leads to improvements or learning of any kind. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:11, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

About UEFI[edit]

I looked at the UEFI articles on 12 computers. Each one carried the n which was almost unreadable by people inquisitive of knowing what boot lingo mean. I thought I could help by making the n bold n.

Anyway, no issues. thanx for the edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zambi007 (talkcontribs) 05:09, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! I totally understand your intentions, but that's not how Wikipedia's Manual of Style defines the intended formatting in its MOS:BOLD and MOS:WORDSASWORDS sections. It's all about keeping the layouts unified across various articles – hope you agree. However, if a reader is unable to distinguish the notion of pronouncing UEFI as "unify" without the n (as formatted in Wikipedia's style), he or she is also most probably unable to comprehend what the UEFI is all about, thus I'd say that additional formatting tweaks wouldn't be of much help in such cases. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Notice on "deletion heros"[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is ScottXW and his "deletion heros". Thank you. Yunshui  08:29, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I'll keep an eye on it. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 09:07, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Note that Editor Review has been retired[edit]

Hi, Dsimic: this is a notice that after a MfD and two RfCs, the Editor Review process has been officially retired. You should not expect further comments on your open Editor Review, which will be archived soon. In the coming weeks there may be information available on alternative processes that you can pursue if you so desire. —/Mendaliv//Δ's/ 21:05, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for letting me know, I've removed the {{Editor review}} template from my user page. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:16, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

SATA Express[edit]

Why does lowercase make more sense to you? If you are going to revert somebody's edit, you should provide a more elaborate reason than what arbitrarily makes more sense to you. – voidxor (talk | contrib) 05:09, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Edit summaries don't allow for longer descriptions, that's why I wasn't elaborate enough. :)
In a few words, MOS:BULLETLIST allows both sentence case and lower case for list items, and the lower case style made more sense to me because those weren't real sentences, and they were quite short at the same time. However, with latest edits that section grew up a bit, so I've edited the article by extending the section further and turning the list items into true sentences. Hope you find that acceptable. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 23:32, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested moves of "Android rooting" and "iOS jailbreaking" articles[edit]

Hi there, Dsimic! Now that the move of "Android rooting" to "Rooting (Android OS)" has been completed, I know you'll be interested in this parallel proposal:

I'll see you there, I'm sure! =) — Jaydiem (talk) 19:36, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I'll keep an eye on it. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

ZFS - use in commercial products[edit]

Thanks for letting me know that I had missed items for my ZFS edit. I've updated it, and it should meet the requirements, year & references. Let me know if additional information is required. A'kwell (talk) 20:30, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! You're welcome, and thank you for providing references and years, it looks good now! Went ahead and improved it further by touching it up, and by filling in a few references so they're now protected from link rot – please check it out. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 22:26, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Great. Thanks for the extras. I'm still learning Wikipedia editing, so some of my updates will be a bit primitive. But, I have the technical details, (with proof), to contribute. A'kwell (talk) 02:32, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. Just take your time, we've all gone through the learning phase here just as everywhere else. As a small suggestion—​and I'm sure you're already well aware of it—​there's the Wikipedia's Manual of Style as a great resource, which is also very usable outside of its primary role to be a general guide to editing Wikipedia. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

En dash[edit]

I do not understand how the article can be full of e.g. "flash-based" with a hyphen, and that is fine, but as soon as it becomes "flash memory-based" the hyphen is supposed to change to an en-dash.

Why??? What is the justification here? What is the benefit? I think it just clutters up the wikitext, makes editing more difficult, and will require more redirects when these things get into article titles (since nobody will be typing in the keycodes for endashes in the search box). Jeh (talk) 06:50, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

And from what I can tell, WP:ENDASH does not support you. "Instead of a hyphen, when applying a prefix (but not a suffix) to a compound that includes a space".
  • ex–prime minister Thatcher;   pre–World War II aircraft;   but not credit card–sized
"flash memory-based" is parallel to "credit card-sized", and therefore, per this point, should NOT get an endash. Jeh (talk) 06:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Hello there! I totally understand your confusion (BTDT), so please allow me to explain – I'm sure you'll see where are the benefits from the whole thing.
As I've already pointed out in my revert on the Solid-state drive article, more details are provided in MOS:ENDASH and in a detailed discussion which addresses suffixed compound adjectives much further while slightly confronting with that MOS section; while you're there, it might be worth to also have a look at a related discussion. You're right that MOS:ENDASH currently doesn't state that en dashes should be used for suffixed compounds, but the above linked discussion(s) provide numerous arguments why the en dash rule should be extended to suffixes as well. That's something I simply don't agree with the MoS, and there are more editors sharing that disagreement – as you can see in these linked MoS discussions.
What are the benefits of en dashes at all? Well, that's a good question. From one side, I've also thought a lot of ditching every form of hyphenation except plain hyphens; on the other hand, that would simply reduce value of the English language what can't be good. Sure thing, it's much more simple to use plain hyphens everywhere, but then we'll slowly end up with a text messages–style language, which is simply disgusting and in a long run makes people less smart without any true reasons of real-life benefits.
Speaking of "flash-based" vs. "flash memory–based", it's all about "flash memory" being a compound. Having a hyphen in place indicates the relation between only two words ("flash" and "based", and "memory" and "based"), while having an en dash idicates that "based" relates to "flash memory" as a whole. Sure thing, human brain is advanced enough to figure out these examples even with no hyphenation, but if we'd extend that a bit further we could easily go even without capitalizing first words in sentences, right? :)
Another examples of the en dashes usage (for a different purpose, of course) are Diode–transistor logic, Eye–hand coordination, Request–response, etc. These are all article titles, and they would have a completely different meaning if en dashes were replaced with plain hyphens; in those cases, using en dashes implies that the "linked" words remain independent what's important for the resulting meaning.
Regarding cluttering of the Wiki code, en dash character () could be used in the source code instead of the &ndash; HTML entity. This should make Wiki code more clear; however, I find typing in HTML entites much faster than going into "Special characters" picker, scrolling a bit and clicking onto the en dash character provided there. Could've used the toolbar available under the source code edit box instead, but I'm somehow used to the "Special characters" picker for that purpose. :)
Hope it all makes sense. Thoughts? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:37, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I think you are vastly overestimating the percentage of readers who will even notice whether a "short horizontal line" is an en dash as opposed to a hyphen... let alone ascribe to that distinction the meaning you think they well. It's not as if we're talking about em dashes, which are obviously different. I am something of a "type person" and the only way I can tell if something on WP is an en dash vs a hyphen with perfect reliability (provided there are no examples of both next to each other) is to use character search on the page to highlight the latter. And your invocation of "slippery slope" is a logical fallacy.
Anyway, as it stands, your edit and your reversion are contradicted by the MOS page. The discussions are interesting, but if there was consensus to agree to that change then the actual MOS page should have been changed. It is unreasonable to post MOS and then say "oh, well, you can't rely on that! See, this discussion says otherwise." Since when? Jeh (talk) 08:35, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, I can always tell the difference in legth between a hyphen and an en dash just by looking at them while reading. You're right that most people don't even know (or care about) the difference between hyphens and en dashes, what's somewhat sad. A flawed "slippery slope" or not, the very fact people don't know about that, or about the distinction in meaning, indicates something... Right?
Linked MoS discussions could've resulted in actual changes to MOS:ENDASH, but there were a few editors completely reluctant to accept anything outside of their "by the Chicago Manual of Style" bubbles, so the proponents of changes lost their energy and interest.
In a few words, please feel free to revert my changes, I won't stand in your way. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I may return to this. Jeh (talk) 09:56, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 10:15, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Changing ref syntax on Android Runtime (ART)[edit]

Please do not use that style of citation syntax on articles. The |publisher field is designed to list the publishing company of the work, not the domain name it came from. The title of the website must be in either a |work or |website field. Also please do not use Android Police as a source; it is a blog, and blogs are typically not considered reliable sources. ViperSnake151  Talk  16:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for pointing this out, moving forward I'll use the |website= parameter. However, to me web sites are publishers and specifying their domains instead is more usable in many cases, but of course that's debatable. For example, if a article is used as a reference, I'd say that 99% of people wouldn't recognize "Eklektix" when it's specified as a publisher, while "" is pretty much widely recognizable. Should we end up using something like "| |publisher=Eklektix" for this example?
Oh, and by the way, please consider including edit summaries in your edits, they're quite usable. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)


Thank you for your recent improvements to kmscon article. Posting here only because I didn't want to spam your echo notification log with multiple "thanks" (for each edit). Good work! — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talktrack) 08:19, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello there, and thank you very much! I'm glad you like those improvements I've made to the article. Oh, and of course thank you for your contributions to the kmscon article – that started everything. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 00:59, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

OpenSSH reverse forwarding[edit]

Hi Dsimic,

I was just commenting on a feature SSH has. Yes, it allows to "punch" through a firewall, but I don't how that affects the text. Should I revert and append a reference to the manpage of openssh where that feature is described? option "ssh -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport"

Cruzzer (talk) 10:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! In your addition to the OpenSSH article, you've described that it "can also be done in reverse direction where the server receives access to the environment of the client." However, that's a bit confusing, as in that case it is still about tunneling connections (or port forwarding requests) that are initiated from the client, what's also clearly described in the man page you've linked above:
-R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport
Specifies that the given port on the remote (server) host is to be forwarded to the given host and port on the local side. This works by allocating a socket to listen to port on the remote side, and whenever a connection is made to this port, the connection is forwarded over the secure channel, and a connection is made to host port hostport from the local machine.
In other words, -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport can be used to connect arbitrary TCP ports both on the server side and and on the client side through an SSH tunnel, but that's still the same thing no matter from which side we're looking at it. Thus, it might be a bit misleading to describe it as being "done in reverse direction", if you agree.
Hope it makes sense. Went ahead and edited the article to include this info in a form that allows no misinterpretation by the readers. Please, check it out – hopefully you'll find this edit good enough. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 11:54, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Avoiding confusion is surely the way to go. My intention was more to highlight the feature, as it's pretty unexpected from a network stance. It's also a security issue, as the client can open connections back into his own network, sidestepping firewall rules disallowing access to the client network. But I guess the the red "flag" is set with the --and to circumvent firewalls-- part. Cruzzer (talk) 12:44, 14 July 2014 (UTC) 
Right, there's already a note that SSH port forwarding can be used "to circumvent firewalls". Thus, if a reader is unable to grasp that, I'd freely conclude that no additional explanations about possible security issues would be helpful. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 13:01, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Additionally, OpenSSH § Features section now contains a link to the SSH tunnel article, which describes potential security issues in detail. That should make it all covered, if you agree. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 13:13, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
However, went ahead and clarified it additionally. Please, check it out. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 13:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I like that. Thanks for your help. Cruzzer (talk) 13:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome, and thank you for your contribution to the article – it started the whole thing. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 13:59, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Power supply unit[edit]

Re: Power supply unit (computer): the calculation is explained in the next sentence. Otherwise, the other result is not explained either. Glrx (talk) 17:42, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Sorry, my bad, everything is fine with your addition to the article. Totally a brainfart from my side. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 18:15, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: List of M.2 SSDs as a section in the M.2 article[edit]

By this logic, the following pages should also be removed, correct?

The list goes on ad nauseam, and that's only the computer related things! The fact is these drives are extremely hard to find information on, instead of removing a list that's a challenge to maintain, we should allow everyone to help grow the list like all these others... Isn't that the spirit of Wikipedia anyway? I created this list out of frustration over not being able to find a good list that shows all available, or even most of the available M.2 SSDs, which I'm currently in the market for. My original plan was to put the list on one of the forums I frequent, but then I thought 'this list would best serve everyone if it was available on an unbiased site where anyone can contribute to it'... There is only one place I know of like that — Preceding unsigned comment added by DracoDan82 (talkcontribs) 15:17, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Personally I agree with the removal and I think most of the above articles should go as well. Wikipedia should not be a product catalog. WP:ITSUSEFUL is not a valid argument for retention. Jeh (talk) 18:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
So what about lists like the following?
Where do you draw the line? There are literally thousands of articles that are either lists or contain lists of products.
I guess it also depends on which definition of "encyclopedic" you use, I grabbed the following from google:
  1. comprehensive in terms of information.
  2. relating to or containing names of famous people and places and information about words that is not simply linguistic.
If you use the first definition then a list is absolutely encyclopedic, assuming the effort has been put forward to make the list as complete as possible.
If you use the second (vague) definition then it could be argued that the list I created isn't encyclopedic, but then neither would half the other articles on Wikipedia that millions of people benefit from on a daily basis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DracoDan82 (talkcontribs) 19:38, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes, those lists should go too. The one of "Dell PowerEdge servers" is particularly egregious. Google's first definition is belied by every encyclopedia on the planet. Tell me with a straight face that any encyclopedia includes "comprehensive" information about any subject it covers. If it did, then no other books or reference material would be necessary for any of those subjects! Can you learn all there is to know about, say, radio design or quantum mechanics or Egyptology from an encyclopedia? Of course not. You learn the history of the field, the key discoverers, the key theories and maybe a few of their implications. We don't need to have a list of m.2 products to provide similar information about the product category. Where do YOU draw the line? Should there be a List of machine screw-threaded fasteners, to include every combination of diameter, thread pitch, head drive type, core material, finish, etc., etc., from every manufacturer who's ever made them? If not, why not? Again, "WP:ITSUSEFUL to you" is not an accepted argument. Jeh (talk) 19:54, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hey everyone! DracoDan82, trust me, I understand your intentions and associated confusion, so please allow me to explain a bit further. Oh, and by the way, please sign your posts on talk pages. :)

Let's start with the definition of "encyclopedic"... As we know, Wikipedia has grown into a medium-sized :) monster when it comes to its Manual of Style and the set of rules articles need to follow, thus it's important what those rules say, not what a dictionary definition of "encyclopedic" might be. :) That's how every system works, and one must play by the rules of a system; luckily, Wikipedia's rules are truly awesome when you compare them to the rules of many other systems. Also, Wikipedia's rules can always be discussed, improved and potentially changed by the principle of establishing a consensus.

Regarding the first batch of "List of XYZ" articles, I totally agree with Jeh that almost all of them are clear candidates to be nominated for deletion. Let's just have a look at the Comparison of stackable switches article, for example – that article looks almost like a bad joke, as not even 25% of the available stackable switches are covered there. At the same time, that article should be called Comparison of stackable Ethernet switches instead, as there are also things like FibreChannel switches, for example – not all switches are Ethernet switches. It's always better not to have a list-of-XYZ at all, rather than having an incomplete and outdated list. On the other hand, lists are almost always badly updated, so they eventually become outdated.

At the same time, when a certain manufacturer (or even a model) is left out from the List of microwave owens, for example, such a list clearly becomes a favoring of other manufacturers (or models), what slowly creeps into the field of adertising. And, we're not here to advertise anything. :)

Let's have a look at more examples from the above. Comparison of Linux distributions is also a true mess, filled with pretty much outdated information; I've tried to clean it up once, and gave up quickly as I by no means have internal knowledge of 50+ Linux distributions, while becoming familiar enough (and staying familiar, for later updates) with each of them would be a very time-consuming (and pretty much pointless) thing to do. Of course, there are people on Wikipedia who have deep knowledge of all those Linux distributions—​such people wrote the associated articles—​but they either don't care about updating the Comparison of Linux distributions article or don't even know that it exists. Thus, sooner or later, all those lists turn into a mess.

Now, let's have a look at the second batch of "List of XYZ" articles, and compare it to the batch #1. The second batch has a much better reason for its existence, as each of the articles lists products coming from a single manufacturer, or a single line of products made by a specific manufacturer. Thus, even if a product or two are missing from such lists, that doesn't turn into advertising, what's a good thing. However, I'd never rely solely on the data available from the List of Dell PowerEdge Servers, for example, and instead I'd always go to the manufacturer's website; however, sometimes even the manufacturer introduces various changes to available server models that aren't even available on its website (and you become aware of them only after you've purchased a server – BTDT). With all that in mind, it's quite hard to expect "List of XYZ" articles to be always up-to-date. However, I'd say that the batch #2 doesn't deserve to be nominated for deletion, as it serves the purpose of an initial look-up for a particular product line.

Then, how does all that apply to the List of M.2 SSDs? Of course, that would be a good question. :) Well, if we had List of Crucial M.2 SSDs (or even List of Crucial SSDs) instead, I might vote for having such an article; though, it would be a quite short article. :) With the List of M.2 SSDs, there's simply too much room for turning it into advertising, especially as M.2 SSDs are currently a somewhat "hot topic" and a few manufacturers (as always) are trying to dominate the market.

Thoughts? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:32, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

OK, you have some points. Let's start by proposing one of those articles for deletion and see what'd happen. I proposed "Comparison of stackable switches" for WP:AFD, the discussion is open here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of stackable switches. All of you are welcome to join that discussion and say again your arguments for or against deletion. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, we'll see how the deletion nomination develops and what the other editors think about the whole thing. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:01, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
The first discussion is over and the consensus was reached to delete "Comparison of stackable switches". I've continued by nominating "List of displays by pixel density" for deletion. Vanjagenije (talk) 20:50, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Great, thank you very much! List of displays by pixel density is a really bad article, and Comparison of smartphones might be later a good candidate for the next nomination round. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 03:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
My feeling is that the base articles for these things (like Network switch in this case) could well mention the most significant products in the field, the ones that represent significant advances, all put into historical context. But a list that includes all of the "me too" products doesn't serve the purposes of an encyclopedia. Jeh (talk) 06:08, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Totally agreed. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
As an example of what product coverage should be, look at History of IBM magnetic disk drives. Although many models there represent only incremental development, each is put into historical context, the fundamental enabling technologies are described, etc. IBM was long a leader in disk storage; many many advances in the field came from their labs, so this article is entirely appropriate for WP. That doesn't mean we should have exhaustive coverage of the myriad "plug-compatible", "work-alike" drives that were made by other companies. Jeh (talk) 01:27, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Exactly, History of IBM magnetic disk drives is a very good product line coverage article. At the same time, it reflects what I was referring to above while comparing the nature of List of M.2 SSDs and List of Crucial M.2 SSDs (or even List of Crucial SSDs) articles – even if some of the IBM's magnetic disk drives aren't included, that provides no room for turning it into anything similar to advertising. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
@Vanjagenije: Just checking, do you intend to continue with nominating these articles for deletion? Both nominations you've performed so far ended up in deletion, so it must be that we were right there. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 09:57, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, Comparison of smartphones ended with "no consensus" (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of smartphones), and newly created Comparison of Music Education Software is also going towards keeping (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of Music Education Software). I'm little bit tired of this. Would you continue with nominating? Vanjagenije (talk) 11:13, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing out those already existing nominations for deletion. However, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of smartphones is a nomination back from 2010, and it's quite possible that points of view have been changed since then, especially when it comes to smartphones and such related articles. I'll see to nominate Comparison of smartphones for deletion a bit later. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, just saw the actual nomination you've referred to, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Comparison of smartphones (3rd nomination). As that was article's third nomination for deletion, which also was closed just three days ago, there's simply no point in nominating it again. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:59, 18 August 2014 (UTC)


Ironically your revert comment came at a point I was fixing the same issue. See reworked version which should be simpler and more direct, and better tone (you probably saw it just now).

See what you think, fix what you need to, but try to avoid wholesale "plain reverting" :)

I look forward to discussing anything you want to, on the t/p later. FT2 (Talk | email) 14:38, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Please don't get me wrong, as I've already noted on Talk:SATA Express § Stimulus for SATAe your latest additions to the article aren't bad per se, but they're simply way too wordy and make the article look a bit like a forum post.
The only reason why I went with the "revert everything" approach (which I really don't like) is because at the moment I don't have enough time to dedicate for going through everything in detail. In the meantime (until later today, or early tomorrow latest), to me it's better to leave the old version. Of course, that's only my humble opinion. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 14:50, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

kpatch listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]


An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Kpatch. Since you had some involvement with the kpatch redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. -- intgr [talk] 10:52, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I'll provide some feedback in the above linked redirect discussion. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 01:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

TSX article[edit]

HI, this is my first reponse on a talk page, please forgive me if I mangle this submission. I found your TSX page quite good. I was wondering if you have an affiliation with Intel or have a contact with someone responsible for TSX at Intel? Regards, AndrewX – (talk) 13:07, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! No worries, it's Ok and I've just cleaned up your post a bit. :) Actually, I haven't created the Transactional Synchronization Extensions article, I've just contributed some improvements to it. Unfortunately, I have no connections with Intel, at least not beside using their products. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 07:58, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Which vs. That[edit]

There you go violating BRD again. Your reversion to your text (after your change was reverted) is considered edit warring. The next stage is supposed to be "Discuss". It is not BRRD. Jeh (talk) 07:26, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

And your analysis is incorrect. The clause that follows which/that is not necessary to the sentence's meaning; it merely adds description. Therefore, according to your reference, "which" is correct. Jeh (talk) 07:30, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello! Please, let's not split hairs on the WP:BRD rule – as you probably know, I'm more than open for discussion and this is one of the places where we can exchange our views. Anyway, here's an excerpt from the style reference I've included in my edit summary:
Use “which” plus commas to set off nonrestrictive (unnecessary) clauses; use “that” to introduce a restrictive (necessary) clause.
... and here's the edited sentence from the article (emphasis added):
Price decreasing from about US$15,000 per megabyte to less than $0.05 per gigabyte by 2013, a greater than 300-million-to-1 decrease that corresponds to a 41% per-year increase in bytes per dollar (or a 29% per-year decrease in price per byte).
According to the referenced rule, "which" is to be used for unnecessary clauses, and you've also confirmed that what follows which/that in the edited sentence simply adds a better description. That's simply true, there's no doubt. When looked from that side, "which" is the way to go; let's see how the sentence looks when that unnecessary clause is trimmed away:
Price decreasing from about US$15,000 per megabyte to less than $0.05 per gigabyte by 2013, a greater than 300-million-to-1 decrease.
To me, that doesn't sound great and it should be edited like this, what also complies with the referenced rule as the sentence still contains another unnecessary clause:
Price decreasing from about US$15,000 per megabyte to less than $0.05 per gigabyte by 2013, which is a greater than 300-million-to-1 decrease.
Now the sentence sounds good, at least to me. But, in this case returning back the initial unnecessary clause simply by using "which" (as the style refrence suggests) would look even worse:
Price decreasing from about US$15,000 per megabyte to less than $0.05 per gigabyte by 2013, which is a greater than 300-million-to-1 decrease, which corresponds to a 41% per-year increase in bytes per dollar (or a 29% per-year decrease in price per byte).
Now, that would be a true mess. :) Based on all that, using "that" is a much better choice. However, it could be me splitting hairs here, but please let me know where am I wrong and I'll be totally fine with using "which" in the first place. :) Also, maybe this could be some kind of a compromise:
Price decreasing from about US$15,000 per megabyte to less than $0.05 per gigabyte by 2013, which is a greater than 300-million-to-1 decrease that corresponds to a 41% per-year increase in bytes per dollar (or a 29% per-year decrease in price per byte).
Thoughts? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:04, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
I do not at all see how you arrived at "'that' is a much better choice". I cannot, in fact, imagine how you can at once accept the notion that "that" is used to introduce necessary clauses and then argue for its use on an unnecessary clause, just because it "sounds better". (A lot of correct things "sound wrong" to many because the correct grammar has been misused for so long.)
In your compromise, "that" is still introducing an unnecessary (descriptive) clause, so "that" is still incorrect.
The sentence was fine as it was, except that it needed the comma before "which"... and I was in the process of adding that when you re-reverted.
The "true mess" is simply avoided by not using the "which" you're trying to introduce before "a greater than..."; not every descriptive clause needs "which" in front of it.
As a side note, there are many other ways to handle multiple descriptive clauses: em dashes, parentheses, break the second one off into a second sentence ("This corresponds to..."). But I see no need to inject a compromise here when the dispute is not between two shades of right, but rather between right and wrong. You want to use "that" to introduce an unnecessary clause, and that's wrong. Please restore the previous wording. Jeh (talk) 08:45, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Ok, to simplify the things I've edited the sentence as you've suggested, tweaking it a bit further so we don't have a mishmash of parentheses, which'es and other constructs. Looking good? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:59, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
No. None of the other items get two sentences, this shouldn't. Jeh (talk) 12:18, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Why would something like that be important? That's really a hairsplitting; please feel free to edit the sentence as it suits your taste, I won't stand in your way. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 20:20, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
"I won't stand in your way." Well, that didn't last long, did it? I took you at your word and... Yet another revert notice in my inbox. I strongly feel that when you have a series of bullet items like this they should present information like this in as parallel a form as possible; one point should not have embellishments that the others lack. And no, the answer is not to add similar embellishments to the others. Jeh (talk) 17:48, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Please pardon me, but this is slowly becoming an inconvenience to me, and I'll try to explain why. Firstly, I didn't revert your edit, I've just restored the deleted sentence by converting it into a note by using "undo" feature to quickly fetch the deleted content and convert it. Just to emphasize it, I didn't simply revert your edit. At the same time, I've changed the edit summary so it doesn't trigger the "your edit was reverted" notification, as I've read somewhere in Wikipedia's guidelines (or in MediaWiki documentation, can't remember) that those notifications are based solely on edit summaries. Though, as we see that isn't the case, and I apologize for not using a different way to fetch the deleted content.
Then, why is your opinion in this case so much more important than mine, and why is it so important to you that some additional information is deleted? Ok, I'm not a native English speaker, and I'm always more than open to receiving any criticism language-wise as that's the only way to improve myself, but this is no longer about the language and style. Sure thing, that sentence by far isn't the Holy Grail of HDD-related information, but why should we delete it, as it simply provides an additional perspective? Someone invested his/her precious free time to do the required calculation and provide some more content, which does no harm whatsoever; hitting "delete" on something like that makes little sense to me. Also, now as a note, it doesn't disturb the overall form of the surrounding bulleted list.
Please don't get me wrong, I'm not here to argue, but I'm sensing some kind of pressure directed toward me, and (what's quite reasonable) that makes me uncomfortable. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:04, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── As discussed in Talk:Hard disk drive § Highlights In History Section, bulleted list from the Hard disk drive § History section is now converted and compacted into a table, please check it out. At the same time, the troublesome footnote has been deleted. Looking good? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

And, here we go again – went a step back and restored that footnote. Hm. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 21:01, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
See my comments at the talk page there. Jeh (talk) 00:59, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

National varieties of English[edit]

See also: Referenced edit to the article

Information icon In a recent edit to the page Transactional Synchronization Extensions, you changed one or more words or styles from one national variety of English to another. Because Wikipedia has readers from all over the world, our policy is to respect national varieties of English in Wikipedia articles.

For a subject exclusively related to the United Kingdom (for example, a famous British person), use British English. For something related to the United States in the same way, use American English. For something related to another English-speaking country, such as Canada, Australia, or New Zealand, use the variety of English used there. For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used.

In view of that, please don't change articles from one version of English to another, even if you don't normally use the version in which the article is written. Respect other people's versions of English. They, in turn, should respect yours. Other general guidelines on how Wikipedia articles are written can be found in the Manual of Style. If you have any questions about this, you can ask me on my talk page or visit the help desk. Little Professor (talk) 18:33, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello! Additionally, per WP:ARTCON articles should be written in a consistent manner, following one of the English varieties throughout the article. Which one prevails in this article? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:28, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Actually, Little Professor, it is you who would have been templated - except that Dsimic is too polite to template a regular. Intel is an American company and therefore articles about them and their developments should be phrased in American English. Nor is this a question of respecting the existing usage in the article. It contains numerous examples of treating "Intel" as singular, so your use of the British treatment of a collective noun goes against prevailing usage. Furthermore, you took what had been a completely dialect-neutral phrase ("Intel announced... which resulted in disabling...") and changed it to English dialect ("Intel announced... which lead to them disabling..."). In short it is you who are going against MOS:ENGVAR here, and you should withdraw and apologize for your complaint against Dsimic forthwith.
Just by the way, we don't care much what says about anything (even though, in this case, it supports the notion that American dialect treats companies as singular); it consists of user-contributed content and therefore is not what WP considers a reliable source. Jeh (talk) 05:25, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Jeh. Getting a templated notification did look a bit strange to me, but I'm always more than eager to receive criticism related to my usage of the English language, as that's the only way I can improve myself. Anyway, I always assume that all editors are here to make both Wikipedia and themselves better. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 09:00, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

WP:AN/I discussion on disruptive edits in Nvidia-related articles[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding to discuss a disruptive IP-hopping editor that edits Nvidia-related articles. The thread is Disruptive edits by IP-hopper on Nvidia-related articles. Thank you. —Jesse Viviano (talk) 17:40, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I'll see to provide some comments in the above linked discussion. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:02, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
@Jesse Viviano: Well, the WP:AN/I discussion got archived with zero responses from other editors. That makes me wonder why should you, Lonaowna or I care for those Nvidia-related articles? Who else cares? — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 20:47, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I just tried to resolve the situation. I used to automatically hate Nvidia products because a G86 GPU that was soldered to my laptop's motherboard failed due to the bad bumps issue and took the motherboard down with it. I had to spend a large amount of money to recover from that. Nvidia then hit another reliability low point with its GeForce 400 series which endured high RMA rates probably due to overheating. Later on, AMD's drivers for my Radeon HD 6970 started to crash on me when I am trying to read my email or use a web browser on my desktop machine I built after the failed laptop motherboard incident. AMD's driver quality apparently tanked after Carrell Killebrew, the then head of the AMD Graphics Product Group, was laid off from AMD. I had to replace my Radeon with an Nvidia card in my desktop build to solve the frequent crashes. Nvidia's poor sales figures and high RMA rates for its GeForce 400 series spanked some sense into Nvidia that we care about card heat and noise. Since the GeForce 500 series was not as hot, it was much more reliable. These incidents have left me with a bitter hatred for idiotic fanboyism for both sides. I still wish there was a way to force Nvidia to recall all of the G84 and G86 GPUs that were made with the defective stepping. (A later stepping fixed the bad bumps issue that destroyed my laptop's motherboard.) I also don't like someone spreading debunked statements on Wikipedia without explaining that they were debunked. Such half-truths and lies in Wikipedia without disclosing that they are debunked hurts Wikipedia. Jesse Viviano (talk) 22:52, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm not a fanboy either. Back in 2002–2006, I had two desktop PCs with Nvidia GPUs, and they both worked just fine under Linux with open-source drivers, what made me quite happy about Nvidia. Then, in 2007, I got a newer desktop PC with a more modern Nvidia GPU, which simply refused to work properly with even the latest available open-source drivers of the time. Speaking about garbled screens in X sessions (for example, all buttons in Firefox turn into black rectangles, and almost on a regular basis), manual upgrading to latest X and its associated libraries, and other extremely time-consuming endeavours aimed toward fixing the issues, I was forced to use Nvidia's closed-source Linux drivers. Aaargh, a binary blob as a module in my kernel?! Never thought of having those before, but that became an unavoidable everyday reality; at least the GPU worked fine with that huge (4–5 MB, IIRC) binary blob.
Back in 2008 (or so) I got a laptop that came with a discrete Radeon GPU; I was already used to having binary blobs around. Linux support for Radeon GPUs can't be bad, right? If open-source drivers don't work, official binary blobs will do the trick. Not so fast! It turned out that open-source drivers existed only as a then-beta RadeonHD open-source project, while the official closed-source Linux drivers were a story of their own. For example, when a running X session is switched to virtual consoles (Ctrl+Alt+Fn), laptop's screen turns into something that extremely resembles a broken LCD, making it look as if moisture got into LCD from the bottom and destroyed it. You can imagine my feelings while looking at that for the first time. :) Luckily, those were only visual effects; of course, all that also locked up the laptop requiring hard reboots. After a few days of experimenting, I've ended up with hand-crafted RadeonHD open-source drivers, which worked but caused very reduced battery runtimes and made it impossible to use an external monitor. Sigh.
Thus, I've been tortured with products from both manufacturers, but at least was lucky enough not to experience physically damaged hardware – I can feel your pain when your laptop's motherboard failed. :( — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:28, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

USB article[edit]

You're very welcome. Now I wonder what you think of my edits to your edits. One is basically a revert. :-)

As mentioned in the edit comment, other than forgetting the final "s" on "suspects", I really was quite fond of that description of the reason for PING packets "This avoids the need to send a large DATA packet if the host suspects the device will just respond with NAK." If that's actually unclear, I'm curious how you interpreted it. Anyway, I tried a different phrasing. (Good reference finding, BTW.)

One change I wanted to make, but haven't found the right words for, is to split up the two uses of "non-standard" in the cable plugs table. Mini-A to micro-B is weird, but perfectly reasonable. A to A may exist, but you can't talk USB over it.

Another thing I'm tempted to do is mark the mini plugs as deprecated, tinting the column & row headers, and switch the compatibility matrix entries to green. To me, that reflects reality a bit better. What do you think? – (talk) 20:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Regarding "ID pin" vs. "ID line", on second thought using "ID pin" should be actually better as it's used where connector pinouts are described. In other words, your revert is just fine with me. :) Your other edits are also fine with me, FWIW, especially simplification of the note in USB § Host and Device interface receptacles section – while it was acceptable before, I wasn't too happy with it as the provided description of differences in pin assignments between connectors wasn't precise enough. Thanks for improving the note so it's down to the exact differences; I've just cleaned it up a bit for improved readability.
The description of PING packets was somewhat confusing, as it was unclear how can a host suspect that. That's much more clear with your additions, and (after thinking about it for some time) I've restored your initial wording, sligthly tweaked and now in addition to the already present additional description. Hope you're fine with that. In addition, I've just cleaned up and clarified that and another earlier section, together with adding two more references.
Speaking about changes to the tables, I wouldn't change the colors or wording – both for "non-standard" combinations of cable plugs, and for Mini connectors. Why? Well, there's WP:COLOR that disallows color to be used as a sole carrier of the meaning, as there are blind people who use screen readers to access articles. Beside that guideline, introducing additional shades of color would probably be simply confusing. Thus, for the uses of "non-standard" I'd suggest a few notes to be added into respective table cells using the {{Efn}} template. For the Mini plugs and receptacles, I'd suggest we add nothing as they are deprecated but still used; please see WP:COMPNOW for something that might be used as a preservation analogy. Hope you find that acceptable. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 08:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Good points, especially about color & accessibility. Sigh, that may mean I have to go back and fix my beautiful Conventional PCI § Connector pinout chart. Anyway, it appears we're basically on the same page and don't have any significant disagreements. Feel free to go nuts with a red pen on my edits, and I'll try to communicate in edit comments. I just like to start discussion when I get as close to an edit war as re-doing a change that you reverted. (TIL about Template:Diff.) (talk) 09:27, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm glad that you find our discussion productive. :) Sure thing, there are no significant disagreements, it's all about improving the article by providing as clear and correct descriptions as possible. By the way, having small disagreements along the way is actually a good thing, as that way things (usually :) become better. And, of course, please feel free to change the content brought in with my edits.
Regarding the chart you've mentioned above, redoing it might not be required as a color-coding legend is also provided. Though, I'm not sure about that; if there isn't anything similar described in WP:COLOR, it might be better to ask on Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Accessibility before changing anything. Oh, and {{Diff}} template is quite useful. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 09:49, 17 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi. I linked the entries as I did on the dab page IML because WP:DABPIPE encourages linking the article itself, rather than redirects. ENeville (talk) 22:53, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you for pointing out this disambiguation linking guideline, I'll use it for my future edits related to disambiguation pages. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 02:33, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

F5 Networks Corporate page[edit]

Hello - I notice you've undertaken a lot of work to build out the F5 page...nice work. Could you help me? I am wondering where the content for "history of software development" originates. I cannot find the sources and I am wondering if you are the brother of Bojan Simic and getting content from him. Any help you can provide is appreciated. – Jaim Harlow 17:39, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thanks, I've contributed a little bit to the F5 Networks article. Regarding the F5 Networks § BIG-IP software development history section, back at the time I was interested in the design of Traffic Management Microkernel (TMM), and I've contributed a few related references to that section. Unfortunately, I have no brother named Bojan, and those references I've contributed were simply Googled out. I'm sorry I can't provide a better assistance, but that's how it is. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 18:17, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Graphics Lab Request (Android Runtime...)[edit]

Just a heads up to let you know I responded to your request with a question. MjolnirPants Tell me all about it. 13:48, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Thank you very much, I'll respond there in a few minutes. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 04:47, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Duff's device as outdated and harmful method of loop optimization[edit]

Hi. Thanks you for your comment in revert in Duff's device with link to WP:COMPNOW. I think we should somehow mention in introduction that this method was used in 1980-s and in early 1990-s, but can be harmful for modern optimizing compilers (it creates very complex CFG - control flow graph - which should be deoptimized back into simple unrolled loop before compiler can optimize it in correct way)... a5b (talk) 17:50, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! You're welcome; by the way, WP:COMPNOW is a recently added guideline and I've seen it as a result of watching the page it belongs to. As we know, relation between the Duff's device and modern compilers is already covered in Duff's device § Performance section, here's a quotation for completeness:
This automatic handling of the remainder may not be the best solution on all systems and compilers – in some cases two loops may actually be faster (one loop, unrolled, to do the main copy, and a second loop to handle the remainder). The problem appears to come down to the ability of the compiler to correctly optimize the device; it may also interfere with pipelining and branch prediction on some architectures. When numerous instances of Duff's device were removed from the XFree86 Server in version 4.0, there was an improvement in performance. Therefore, when considering using this code, it may be worth running a few benchmarks to verify that it actually is the fastest code on the target architecture, at the target optimization level, with the target compiler.
You're right that the article's lead section should also sum this briefly – went ahead and slightly expanded the lead section, improving one reference at the same time. Please check it out, hopefully you'll find it good enough. :) — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 05:42, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring on Heartbleed article[edit]

Chealer continues to edit-war[2][3] on the Heartbleed article, even though I've asked them numerous times to discuss their changes on the article talk page, yet they still refuse. I'm not sure what to do next. Do you have any ideas? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 23:44, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hello there! Situations like this one are always a bit tacky; if an editor repeatedly refuses to discuss his/her edits, requesting a Wikipedia:Third opinion or reporting that on the Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard or Wikipedia:Requests for mediation are the only remaining options. Of course, reporting other editors isn't the nicest thing to do, but that's pretty much what remains if there's no possibility for a discussion. However, as this content dispute is currently about the section title ("Source code patch" / "Code patch" vs. "Resolution") and associated differences in the meaning, and as the whole thing has been somewhat discussed already, it would probably be much better to try discussing that with Chealer once again before reaching out to other mechanisms.
At the same time, please have a look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution and Help:Wikipedia: The Missing Manual/Collaborating with Other Editors/Resolving Content Disputes for more information. — Dsimic (talk | contribs) 06:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)