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Omstein Theory

Despite your reservations about speedy for hoaxes, that's just what I did to it. Quite nicely done, believable by many (but so are religions and politicians...) but blatant to us. Few hoaxes here are good - most of them wouldn't fool a bright six year old. They get spotted quicker now. The current longest running was up for six uears - but no-one except the author will have known about it until a patroller went on random page patrol! It claimed a German band were killed in a plane crash in 1956 flying to England. The name of the band said hoax to me straight off, there was only one plane crash on the day, and the alleged concert hall didn't exist. I declined a speedy because of the age, and AfDed it and the AfDers had a field day. Great fun. This one - six out of ten. So, yes, you can CSD hoaxes if they're blatant, and if the reviewing admin doesn't get it, AfD it. (JohnCD enjoys hoaxes too, BTW.) Peridon (talk) 21:42, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the nice note! It came just when I'd realised I'd made my own tiny corner of stupidity, by creating a couple of categories with Portuguese mis-spelt.... best, Dsp13 (talk) 21:46, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
btw my favourite hoax fact on wikipedia was the one which made it into the Independent's obituary of Claude Levi-Strauss. Also Viktor Chaim Blerot was a hoax page which I remember hanging around for a few years.Dsp13 (talk) 22:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

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Kenneth Best

I'm confused by something in this article, which you created a few years ago: does citation #3 really say that the Liberian Observer was one of the country's first dailies? Having spent about a year working with lots of newspapers in a Liberian archive in the USA, I've worked with tons of pre-coup daily newspapers. Most of them only published Monday-Friday, but the Liberian Observer did likewise from its establishment until at least 2007 (and I think they still do, but I can't check them because they're in boxes at the bottom of a big stack), so I don't see a difference. I just wonder if it might be one of the oldest existing ones, since most publications from the Doe era ceased long ago, and most pre-1980 publications quickly died or were suppressed after the coup. I can't check the reference myself; I wonder if being in the USA means that books.google.uk won't let me look at its contents. Nyttend (talk) 23:53, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

good catch: that reference only provides the date February 1981. The claim that it's "Liberia's first daily newspaper" is at Gabriel I. H. Williams (2002). Liberia: The Heart of Darkness. Trafford Publishing. p. 333. ISBN 978-1-55369-294-2. Retrieved 11 January 2013. but I'm quite prepared to believe that's rubbish. I don't have time to check the page properly now, but will have a look soon. Thanks again, Dsp13 (talk) 09:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome; thanks for the help. All I see on page 333 is a statement that the Gambian version was The Gambia's first daily newspaper. Nyttend (talk) 23:01, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
d'oh you're absolutely right again - that'll teach me to try to give a quick reply while my mind was on something else. Dsp13 (talk) 10:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

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Mill Road Cemetery, Cambridge

Nice work on this article! Do you have a personal interest in this particular old cemetery? 2.24.4.3 (talk) 21:56, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

thanks! I live fairly nearby. Dsp13 (talk) 22:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I have added 'Buried in Mill Road Cemetery, Cambridge' to those people who did not have it in their articles, and requested images of their graves/gravestones for the Find-A-Grave entries; I suspect my FAG friend Geoffrey Gillon will pay a visit to take some images. There are some nice bios. and images of the people on FAG, a Russian-Danish couple called "Julia&Keld" made them at the end of 2011 by the way. I am surprised that the grave images are not already there! Martin.

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looks like a bug with Magnus's authority control tool: I've created a Jira bug for this. Dsp13 (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

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George Adams (optician)

I noticed that you tagged this article for splitting. Unfortunately, before that can be done, the identity of the subject of various sections of the article needs to be identified. Are you familiar with the subject? If so, would you mind clarifying the article? Op47 (talk) 18:09, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't know anything about it, I'm afraid - but I'll have a look. Dsp13 (talk) 19:54, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

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Authority control and VIAF

Thanks for this. I noticed some of the VIAF and Authority control templates and discussions. I was under the impression that a bot was going round adding VIAF details. Should I be adding such things to biography articles I've created, or should I be letting that happen naturally? Also, in a couple of recent cases I resorted to VIAF and library catalogues to get birth and death years (or at least an idea of what to search for), but would I be right in saying that to avoid circularity, it is important to have independent verification of birth and death years from a reliable source? Carcharoth (talk) 00:09, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

FWIW, I went through a list of articles in my userspace, and found out of 42 biography articles that I'd created the following 21 (half of them) don't have VIAF links: John Chamberlain (letter writer), Thomas Snow Beck, Henry John Carter, Walter Gardiner, William the Englishman, Robert E. M. Hedges, Sir Norman Moore, 1st Baronet, Laurent Joubert, Karen Grigorian, Louis Vaughan, Gilbert Dyett, James Learmonth, Eric Rideal, Kenneth Street, Jr., Alexander Rankine, Victor Negus, Charles Illingworth, Robert Cooley (entomologist), Jack James (rocket engineer), Robert J. Parks, and Leroy Chang. The last three were created too recently, but I was wondering why VIAF links hadn't turned up on the other ones yet. Is that because a bot is slowly working its way through the hundreds of thousands of articles where VIAF identifiers can be added? And are some article likely to never have VIAF identifiers to add? Carcharoth (talk) 00:58, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Carcaroth! My understanding is that the bot-added ones are needing to go relatively cautiously, after initial experiments showed naive matching was producing too many errors (sportspeople matched to scientists etc.) I manually matched some African writers: writers with names in another script (e.g. Arabic) and with variant transliterations are I think trickier to deal with automatic rules. Writers whose dates are only approximately known also benefit from manual attention. Most of the authority control templates I've added recently, though, are using Magnus Manske's funky tool. (See the tools section of my user page, or Wikipedia talk:authority control#Authority control tool.) Dsp13 (talk) 03:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

VIAF is an effort to merge different library name authorities, which predominantly contain authors but also contain the personal names of people who are the subject of individual library holdings. Most wikipedia sportspeople, though, just won't have VIAF identifiers. (How name authority files evolve in the future is of course an open question. My impression is that on the web wikipedia is sometimes standing in as a name authority file, with people linking to relatively empty wikipedia pages, not so much for the useful information on the page but simply to explain which person with that name they mean.) Dsp13 (talk) 04:01, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
And as regards library catalogues as sources for birth and death years, I've always regarded them as as generally authoritative as other secondary works. The detail of the name authority record (e.g. the Library of Congress Name Authority ecord for Ian Rankin often includes where they've got information (here the birth year is from Hide and Seek, and a website, the author not having replied to a letter they sent). Occasionally they will say they have their information from wikipedia, which is plainly circular. But at least they say: all sorts of print sources now lift stuff silently from wikipedia, so the problem of circularity seems general to me. Dsp13 (talk) 05:16, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I would add VIAF details myself, but sometimes several VIAF entries appear and I'm not sure what to do when that happens. I sympathise about sportspeople matching to scientists, though I would have thought matching birth and death years as well as names would help there. Two articles I created recently both required me to move a sportsperson stub out of the way first, making way for a disambiguation page: Jack James and Frank Newman. Do you know if there a date from which VIAF identifiers would not apply? A few in that list I provided are 16th century or earlier. Carcharoth (talk) 01:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
when several VIAF entries appear, I'm interpreting that as the result of an incomplete merging process. The national library records seem to me stabler as identifiers than the VIAF ones, so where there are several I'm not really minding whether the VIAF identifier I assign is linked to LCCN, DNB or BNF. (I personally think DNB and LCCN are probably most useful for the English site - DNB because there is already work linking from DNB to de.wikipedia, which will allow later automated cross-checking, and LCCN because it already produces worldcat niceness, and it's good for English-language authors.) I don't think there's any date at which there hasn't been an effort to assign VIAF identifiers, but I view them as less reliable/more provisional where dates are uncertain (often true before the C17th) or where name forms proliferate (chinese, arabic, classical authors; pseudonymous types; to some extent women). WP:VIAF/errors might interest you if you haven't seen it. User:Maximiliankleinoclc would know the details of present/future plans much better than me, as after a flurry of VIAF bot activity things have gone quiet afaik.Dsp13 (talk) 11:42, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

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Lunchtime, West Road, might interest you: [6]. You saw the meetup this Saturday? Charles Matthews (talk) 16:06, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

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ta very much! straight back at you for doing the heavy lifting :) Dsp13 (talk) 20:51, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Zornlins

I did Georgiana Zornlin since she came up in Tractarian stuff, and as you can see from the backlinks is one of the "BBC Art" list links that are good to get. Most of what is known about her, apart from the art (oddly) seems to be in the Notes & Queries link from archiv.org. Her sister Rosina Zornlin seems to be better known, however, mentioned alongside Mary Somerville. E.g. [7] which Google Books cuts off in its prime. Charles Matthews (talk) 15:28, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

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Paolo Schiavo

Hello. I added a little bit of information on your article on Paolo Schiavo. I had trouble finding the names of his paintings, most of which carried their names in Italian. If you know of any websites or ways to translate the information into English, please let me know. I'd be very grateful for that.
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Thanks for your additions and images! I'll take a look at the painting names. Dsp13 (talk) 00:12, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

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Darwin

Great to meet you yesterday! A quick draft of the names for the Darwin Correspondence session is up at WP:DARWIN, if you're interested... Andrew Gray (talk) 09:32, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

they're nice choices. Nothing links to the page, though it's under wikiproject:women's history - is it just you going to help people in the project get going with editing? Dsp13 (talk) 16:04, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the additions! That's the plan. I'm going to link it in afterwards, & tidy up the various edited articles. Changes so far... Andrew Gray (talk) 14:36, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

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D A Forman changed to A G Forman

I hope you have not created a new person. The link on the Ghana Armed Forces Official websites lists Commodore D A Forman. I don't dispute the fact that Archibald George Forman existed.I am not sure A. G. Forman and D A Forman are one and the same person. Shouldn't this article revert to its former name? It is a common problem with African articles that references are difficult to find. There is a lot of information I end up leaving out of articles because although I know them for a fact, I cannot find the references to back them up and I do not want disputes.--Natsubee (talk) 20:38, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry not to reply earlier. The name D. A. Foreman (with an e) is on the ghana website and in one book dated 1999. I've added refs. There seem a greater number of refs (e.g. the Times refs and the last ref on the page, the London Gazette giving the reason for his CBE) which say that the name of the naval officer seconded to Ghana to head the navy was A. G. Forman. So I think the sources conflict, but a greater number give the name as A. G. Forman. Dsp13 (talk) 14:20, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

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Women photographers in the ODNB

Thanks very much for your suggestions, Dsp13. Of the four you sent, Alice Hughes certainly deserves inclusion and I have already written a short piece on her. In view of her early start, Cecilia Glaisher may also be important but unfortunately I do not have access to the ODNB and other sources are very scanty. There is already something on fairy photographer Frances Griffiths but I don't think she should be included in the list and Susan Jellicoe seems to be more an author of books about gardens than an actual photographer. Perhaps you would like to write a short piece on Cecilia Glaisher yourself?--Ipigott (talk) 11:21, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

sure. I'll have a go some time soon. Is it worth me scanning Luminous Lint for historical women photographers WP doesn't have yet? Dsp13 (talk) 13:08, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the long list. It'll keep me busy for a while! I'll go through them and see which ones deserve WP articles. As we're really weak on Latin America, I'm now embarking on Adriana Lestido who came up in connection with Orive.--Ipigott (talk) 10:04, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Hello once again Dsp13. As you may have noticed, I've written up short biographies on most of the interesting ladies you included on my talk page. I've also looked into the three remaining red links. What I could find on Nell Dorr was rather sentimental with little or nothing on notable third party sites. Not much more on Emma Farnworth either. At a stretch, Marie Hansen could be covered as the third women photographer to work for Life, but that seems to be pushing it a bit. Unless you want to take any of the three any further, I think we'll leave it there for now.
Thanks again for all your help. We still have a couple more weeks of Women's History Month, so if you come across any other interesting names, please let me know. Thanks also for the bio you added yourself.--Ipigott (talk) 17:35, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

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