User talk:EdJohnston

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The band in question did chart in Germany, but I was unable to find any specific charts. Please don't encourage CrazyAces' bad behavior, I know you are a smart user. He/she is only doing this as revenge and it's wrong. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 15:53, 21 April 2015

Need an experienced user's opinion[edit]

This article (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Peanut Butter Conspiracy Is Spreading) is being considered for deletion. It is about a nationally charting album and we need a well-placed opinion. TheGracefulSlick ( talk) 13:48, 25 April 2015


I have no idea how you're counting a "3RR violation" on my part at Controversial Reddit communities. I made one related set of edits, and have reinstated that set only once. Per WP:3RR, A series of consecutive saved revert edits by one user with no intervening edits by another user counts as one revert. Further, one of the changes I restored is on the basis of BLP, and was endorsed at BLP/N. Meanwhile, I'm being called a "pointy vandal", "not serious" and "POV" - all groundlessly - in the edit summaries of the editors who have seen fit to oppose these changes, and they have made no effort to contact me (I am about to open the Talk page discussion now). (talk) 13:47, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

You're right. After considering the consecutive edits, you didn't cross 3RR. Since you don't appear to have a fixed address, is there any way you can be contacted in the future for questions? Articles related to Gamergate have frequently been semiprotected. That would be an inconvenience to you. EdJohnston (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't see how "Controversial Reddit communities" is an "article related to Gamergate". That said, from what I can tell, it's unusual for Talk pages to receive the same protection as the articles, and anyway when semiprotection is invoked, I treat it as part of the price I pay for my ideological stance WRT Wikipedia (and supporting evidence for it, too).
To elaborate: my observation over the last several months (if not years; all evidence available to me suggests that things have been like this since at least 2007) has been that IP editors are treated as second-class citizens, while certain established editors are given enough WP:ROPE to build bridges and somehow never deemed to have hanged themselves. I cannot in good conscience create an account while these egregious double standards remain. From what I can tell, the system practically encourages established editors to cause trouble for newer ones; the entire thing is grossly undemocratic and I refuse to subject myself to the abuse of trying to protect an account from stepping on the wrong person's toes for long enough to gain respect, only to turn around and cause the same problems for others (as the apparently intended reward for playing along). Say I'm "not here to build an encyclopedia" if you must; but in my view, pointing these things out is the most important thing I could possibly do to help the encyclopedia flourish. (talk) 18:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
AE is often the venue for disputes between entrenched factions. The record of both parties is generally reviewed at AE. You are choosing to conceal your background. This does affect how seriously you will be taken there. You are welcome to come forward and disclose your previous connection to the topic, and where you have edited. Otherwise, there is a big incentive for a long-time participant in some painful area to simply log out of their account and then file a complaint at AE about the other guy. EdJohnston (talk) 18:34, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Idle question...[edit]

If you in your capacity as an admin applied a specific editing restriction (as a result of Arb-enforcement, discretionary sanctions etc) that would expire when another (already existing) restriction expired, only the other restriction not only doesnt expire but gets lengthened/indeffed, would your sanction also lengthen or would you consider it to expire when the original was due to? Only in death does duty end (talk) 16:16, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

That probably needs a discussion with whoever imposed the original restriction. If you can give an actual example that would help. EdJohnston (talk) 18:04, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Moving archive page[edit]

Hello. Since you're the only admin I know, I need to ask you what to do about moving archive pages to their proper name?

I have problem with article about this archive. The article is named "Friedrich Hayek", though, the archive page is titled "Friedrich von Hayek". I tried to move the archive page (rename it) earlier, but that wasn't possible. What to do about this issue?

Thx. --AnulBanul (talk) 23:26, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

I did a text merge, so there is now a single archive file at Talk:Friedrich Hayek/Archive 1 covering the whole period 2005 to 2013, instead of two different Archive 1's with different spellings for his name. Hope that solves the problem. EdJohnston (talk) 03:17, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Alex Guerrero move[edit]

Hi. You contested my request for an uncontroversial technical move. Perhaps you are now satisfied that there is no reason not to do this? Thanks, --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 16:38, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Replied in the move discussion. The move should occur. Now we just have to wait for someone uninvolved to close it. EdJohnston (talk) 18:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Sock case[edit]

Regarding Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/3RRArchive280#User: - three or four articles are still being targeted. Should I open a new sock case and list all the previous IP's? --NeilN talk to me 17:59, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

User:Tiptoety has blocked Special:Contributions/ for two weeks. Meanwhile I semiprotected Battle of Košare. If you think other articles deserve semiprotection let me know. You must be thinking of Attack on Prekaz or Battle of Maritsa. For POV-pushers semiprotection is often effective. If the IPs always geolocate to the same place I suppose that's of interest, and could make an SPI worthwhile. The latest IP is from Belgrade. EdJohnston (talk) 14:33, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Currently active on Attack on Prekaz --NeilN talk to me 14:51, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
Now considering a rangeblock. See User talk:NeilN#Belgrade IPs. EdJohnston (talk) 14:57, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

EddieSegoura Ban Appeal[edit]

Hello. I am notifying you that the above is currently being considered at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Community de facto ban appeal by User:EddieSegoura, and your input (positive, negative, or otherwise) is invited there. You have received this notification and invitation as you participated in the previous ban appeal in 2009 and may be familiar with or remember some of the earlier context, you may be aware of other matters which are relevant to the appeal, or you may wish to express whether or not your view has changed since the last discussion. Regards, Ncmvocalist (talk) 18:38, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


There is an obvious meatpupperty between these two ultra nationalist Azeri users: Samak (talk · contribs) and Asparux Xan Bulqar (talk · contribs). Please check their contributions.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)
If you are also editing as a different IP at Template:Kurds infobox it is better if you make your identity more clear. I see User:Asparux Xan Bulqar adding respectable sources to that template. There is a thread at Template talk:Kurds infobox (where I assume you are active) but it's hard to follow since people are not signing their posts. Participating in a controversy as an IP-hopper makes it hard for you to get support since nobody can follow your comments from one day to the next, or from one comment to the next. EdJohnston (talk) 14:02, 18 May 2015 (UTC)
The meatpupperty occurs at Azerbaijan-related articles. Especially West Azerbaijan.

AE and GGC and TS[edit]

Does "Tony, if you see a discussion being unhatted at Talk:Gamergate controversy and judge that to be inappropriate, consider reporting that at AE. Use informal language if needed." apply just to Tony Sidaway? Because this is getting really annoying. ForbiddenRocky (talk) 17:56, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

You could join the AE discussion and ask for the change by User:Chrisrus to be reverted. I admit that some of User:Chrisrus's comments seem oblivious to the serious problems that WP:ARBGG was trying to address. The Gamergate controversy talk page is not like all other talk pages. EdJohnston (talk) 18:03, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Never mind, I see the thread at WP:AE#The Gamergate hatting thing has blown up again has been closed by User:Future Perfect at Sunrise per "Not an actionable request at this point." That appears sensible. The floor is open for new complaints if anyone thinks that behavior on that page by any one person has gotten bad enough to deserve a sanction. EdJohnston (talk) 18:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
I can't think of how to approach this. I want the meta stuff to go to the right place, which I'm pretty sure isn't the GGC talk page, but where would the right place be? And I am horrified by the idea that the right place for meta stuff for GGC would be AE every time. ForbiddenRocky (talk) 18:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
You could ask an individual admin for suggestions. Except for that, I don't see anywhere but AE to question the special restrictions that have been placed on Talk:Gamergate controversy. EdJohnston (talk) 19:04, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

CALYX is not an acronym[edit]

The examples you cited in the CALYX move decision (IBM and SAP SE) are both acronyms, which is why they are correctly capitalized. Calyx is not; it is merely stylized in all caps on the company's website. In fact, further down the page on that website, you can see the name in normal title caps (i.e., "Calyx"). Do you have better examples of companies whose names are NOT acronyms, but whose WP articles are all caps? (If so, I would assert that perhaps they should be changed as well.) Krychek (talk) 21:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

  • Where do you see 'Calyx' lower case on their website?
In the box with the Lois Cranston Memorial Poetry Prize. Krychek (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
And I would argue that the title of this obscure stub written in 2002 should be changed or, preferably, the article deleted based on notability criteria. Krychek (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
  • When you cited MOS:CAPS in the discussion, is there a particular sentence that you believe addresses this problem? Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2015 (UTC)
Yes: "Reduce text written in all capitals in trademarks," in the "All Caps" section. This directive appears to apply across the board; it is not a judgment call as is the case with CamelCaps. Krychek (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
Unclear if these items are decisive. The script in the box about the Cranston prize is a name in some decorative handwriting, not a piece of regular text. Does it seem to you they have put a capital 'X' at the end of CalyX? The wording at MOS:TM doesn't explicitly handle the CALYX case, though it does tilt the tables against upper case generally. Also, it wants the trademark in lower case "if this is a style already in widespread use". I assume that's the ground for having our article on the magazine at Time (magazine) and not TIME. If you believe that lower-case Calyx is in widespread use by third parties to refer to the magazine, that data would be relevant. If you disagree with my decision, you can appeal at WP:MRV. EdJohnston (talk) 15:51, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

War in Donbass[edit]

Can you explain why do you ascribe such bad faith in IP editors so you are in result block editing even as there weren't any violation of 3RRs rule? In fact I made three edits. One, big, to revert highly controversial and NPOV content included by obvious SPA. This one was reverted by one user because he felt that I do not properly described my changes. I agreed with him so I fragmented my edits. Second one was accepted by the same user and finally third was not. I tried my best to include contructive arguments and all my edits were in line with TALK page and previous edits, particularly by Ekograf and yet I was labeled with such unpleasant term. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 16:27, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Your post here on my talk page is your only Wikipedia edit. If you want to participate on a contentious article, you are more believable if you have a track record. Either with a registered account or a stable IP. When you say "all my edits" I have no idea what you are referring to. Feel free to identify other IPs which are also you. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 16:48, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I wasn't awere that my ISP is changing my IP so frequently. I am and also and — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:07, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Feel free to make your argument at Talk:War in Donbass. It seems you haven't yet participated there, unless some of the other IPs are also you. EdJohnston (talk) 17:10, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

DC Comics' cinematic universe films[edit]

You recently closed my request to move this page back to DC Comics' shared universe films and then copied my request on as a requested move at Talk:DC Comics' cinematic universe films. I know there is always a wrong version, but shouldn't you have resotred the status quo before the disruptive (yet good intentioned) undiscussed controversial move? Also you can't use my request for a uncontroversial technical move as a request for a controversial move. The rationale for a controversial move would be completely different. It doesn't make sense as it stands and thus unfairly puts the request at a disadvantage. Please move the page back as I originally requested and let Mike150517 supply the WP:BURDEN to make a proper request if he so chooses. Thank you for your consideration in this matter.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 13:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

My other option was simply to decline your request, since the move was obviously controversial. Now at least a discussion is going forward. If you don't want to have a move discussion, and are willing to live with the current article names, I can speedy close the move discussion. EdJohnston (talk) 14:45, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Correcting an improperly moved page is hardly controversial and as I said the burden for justifying the move should be placed on the person who wanted it moved in the first place.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 15:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Why not post in the discussion, and provide diffs showing that the original move was undiscussed. That will help your case, since a No Consensus should result in restoring the original. Your original post did not specify who had done the undiscussed move or when. Also, the mention of history merging suggested the prospect of complexity, indicating that it might be less work to wait for a full discussion to sort everything out. EdJohnston (talk) 16:39, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
That is working backwards, it should start from the original location. Also a no consensus in the current discussion would result in leaving the page where it currently is.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm not trying to be annoying, but this is a sort of local practice regarding undiscussed moves at WP:RM. Your request sounds to me that it exceeds the usual expectations. So far as I know there is nothing written in policy about what actions admins should take regarding undiscussed moves. This one was especially complex since I couldn't see who had done the original move, or what the reasoning was for each side. In that case, going directly to discussion seemed to be the safest bet. Your theory about the 'burden for justifying the move' is just your own theory, and is not written down in policy. It's essentially an appeal to common sense, and I'm suggesting that admins can appeal to common sense also. EdJohnston (talk) 16:55, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Does this mean that you will not move the page back to its original location? I understand how it might be difficult for an admin to reverse a decision that he/she has already made, but I think you should really consider it. I'll even suggest and give a direction to Mike150517 (since he seems new here) on his talk on how to request a proper move.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Can you link to the move that you think should be reversed? And have you left any messages for User:Mike150517 to explain the problem? I was not aware that Mike was the culprit. EdJohnston (talk) 17:33, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
I can't link to the actual diff because it seems to have been covered up by the WP:HISTMERGE that was preformed after User:Mike150517's cut-and-paste move. I have not left any messages for Mike but Joseph2302 left a couple on his talk page.--TriiipleThreat (talk) 17:48, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

AN/I – Volunteer Marek[edit]

Hi Ed,

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. The thread is POV pushing, removal of sourced material. Thank you for your time. -- Tobby72 (talk) 13:52, 23 May 2015 (UTC)