User talk:Elizium23

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Appointment of Catholic Bishops[edit]

Settle down, tiger[edit]

This may well contain a personal attack, but don't go and presume that it was restored "in bad faith". Thank you. 207.157.121.52 (talk) 19:13, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Archdiocese of Cologne[edit]

Cardinal Woelki is the new Archbishop of Cologne and does NOT remain Archbishop of Berlin. Search for Cardinal Rainer Maria Woelki at Gcatholic.org Don't dare say that he is not Archbishop of Cologne until he is installed or until he receives the pallium. Once appointed, the prelate is ALREADY the leader of the (Arch)Diocese and the installment is to take full control. If not already bishop, then he is (arch)bishop-elect. For that, I will reverse your reverse act.

Regards, Aa75253

Please read the previous discussions which are linked at the top of my own talk page. You will need to provide evidence (reliable secondary sources, of which gcatholic.org is not) which indicate Woelki has taken possession of the diocese. That means he has "shown the apostolic letter in the same diocese to the college of consultors in the presence of the chancellor of the curia, who records the event" and taken possession which usually takes place in a liturgical installation. This has not occurred yet and he is not considered Archbishop of Cologne until that time. Elizium23 (talk) 22:36, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Can. 382 §1 A person who is promoted to the episcopate cannot become involved in the exercise of the office entrusted to him before he has taken canonical possession of the diocese. However, he is able to exercise offices which he already held in the same diocese at the time of his promotion, without prejudice to can. 409 §2.

§2 Unless he is lawfully impeded, one who is not already consecrated a Bishop and is now promoted to the office of diocesan Bishop, must take canonical possession of his diocese within four months of receiving the apostolic letters. If he is already consecrated, he must take possession within two months of receiving the apostolic letters.

§3 A Bishop takes canonical possession of his diocese when, personally or by proxy, he shows the apostolic letters to the college of consultors, in the presence of the chancellor of the curia, who makes a record of the fact. This must take place within the diocese. In dioceses which are newly established he takes possession when he communicates the same letters to the clergy and the people in the cathedral church, with the senior of the priests present making a record of the fact.

§4 It is strongly recommended that the taking of canonical possession be performed with a liturgical act in the cathedral church, in the presence of the clergy and the people.

Elizium23 (talk) 22:37, 15 July 2014 (UTC)


How about catholic-hierarchy.org? http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/diocese/dkoln.html and http://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bwoel.html It exactly sites his position in Cologne. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aa75253 (talkcontribs) 23:06, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Has no installation date yet. If you will notice when he was appointed to Berlin, he was installed nearly two months later. The same timespan will apply now. You can expect his installation and canonical possession in early September. Elizium23 (talk) 23:13, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Greetings my friend[edit]

You seem to be of the mind that some of my edits are of a fanciful and deluded nature but i say to you most assuredly that my edits are correct, in some cases i can only give the book title but in others i have sourced correctly, anyway its not such a big deal, if i can find the information digitally i will show you the source beforehand--Twominds (talk) 10:47, 18 July 2014 (UTC)