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Generalizing[edit]

Hello, Ephert. I just want to make clear that I don't have any issues with you. Not truly. I mean, at least you're sourcing a lot of your content with WP:Reliable sources. My only criticism would be that you attribute the sources more accurately. For example, you generalize with the sources quite a bit. This was the case for the gay male "tops" and "bottoms" information you added to the Physical attractiveness article, among other things. I tweaked the "tops" and "bottoms" information to this, so that it doesn't seem as though this applies to all or most gay men who identify as "only tops" or as "only bottoms." In cases like these, it is always best to attribute the information to the study.

Anyway, you are doing good work here. And I apologize for any way I may have recently offended you. Flyer22 (talk) 21:53, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Nyan Cat[edit]

sup. thanks for the good work on Nyan Cat. Badmachine (talk)

Kimchi[edit]

I know Melonbarmonster2 didn't actually explain in xyr edit summary, but, surprisingly (I have a long history of usually disagreeing with Mbm2), I agree with xyr revision of your addition. A long time back, either on Talk:Kimchi or possibly on a more general page like Japanese-Korean disputes, we looked into exactly what the TED pages were; I actually even contacted the TED organizer myself, by email. The end result is that those papers are basically just grad student papers written a little more nicely and put on the internet. They don't meet our reliable sources guidelines, and so can't be used to verify claims in articles. If you have any questions, probably the best place to raise them is on Talk:Kimchi. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Mongoloid race[edit]

Great work on this article! It is now looking fantasitc. Christopedia (talk) 08:23, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Nahuatl pronunciations[edit]

Hi Ephert, thanks for adding a lot of Nahuatl related changes. Great with the translations. However, I am not fully convinced by your soundfiles. It does not sound to me as if you are a fluent speaker - I might be wrong, but it doesn't sound like any dialect I have ever heard spoken. I am going to remove some of the pronunciations that sound the most unlike Nahuatl, and think that you probably shouldn't add anymore. At least not without prior discussion. I do appreciate the effort you've put into this and I mean no offense, I just think that if we should have pronounciations they should be as accurate as possible in order to be useful. Some of the things that sound strange with your pronunciations is the tl sound which has much too much friction, making it sound more like Greenlandic, and in some polysyllabic words you misplace the stress (e.g. in macuahuitl). Also your pronunciation of the long l is weird. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 14:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

I am very concerned with accuracy. Thank you for the ōllamaloni change. I have noted your observations about some of my "tl" sounds being too frictive, stress being on the wrong syllable, and "ll" sounding weird. I will try to remedy this in my future and past additions. I will use the talk page first as long as I get timely responses.--Ephert (talk) 21:06, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I guess the description of long l being weird wasn't very helpful. Most dialects I have heard pronounce it as an actual geminate l with double onset. You could try listening to some Nahuatl speakers at youtube. Basically I think that the best solution would be to get a native speaker to supply any recordings. I know a few I might ask at some point. I agree that any person canspeak any language, but since the usefulness of a pronunciation guide is to help readers a chieve a native like pronunciation - native speakers should be prefered.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Please find some native speakers who pronounce the "tl" like "tɬ" (not just "t" or just "ɬ") and have them record sound files.--Ephert (talk) 23:39, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Most speakers of central dialects still have [tɬ]. I work with those dialects professionally so I can definitely find speakers. Maybe we should compile a list of words requiring recording and then take them all in one fell swoop one day. ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 23:46, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I;'ve corrected some of your transcriptions - particularly you devoice w and l too frequently in posistions where only some dialects do this. I for example don't think that classical Nahuatl devoiced l before p, and only some modern dialects do this. Kʷ is a single phoneme and never devoices to kʍ which would be two different phonemes. Some dialects devoice kw to just plain k, classical Nahuatl probably also diod this but we can't be sure.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:38, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
This should be written in the Wikipedia:IPA for Nahuatl.--Ephert (talk) 00:55, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
Also please don't replace Spanish pronunciations of Mexican place names with original Nahuatl ones the Spanish names are way more useful for the reader since they are the names that are actually used for all of these places (e.g. Atlatlahucan). Its fine to add the Nahuatl, but keep the Spanish pronunciation in place.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:47, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm disagree with Maunus, I think you should add more pronunciations. --Giggette (talk) 00:02, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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Plurals[edit]

In classical Nahuatl inanimate nouns did not have plural forms. A word like inmatepuzcuauhuah is a possessed form and its the possessor that is pluralized. The plural of macuahuitl in the unpossessed form is "(miyac) macuahuitl".·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 15:35, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Oh I did not know that.--Ephert (talk) 22:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Nahuatl pronunciations[edit]

Hi Ephert, thanks for adding a lot of Nahuatl related changes, I saw your modifications [1], [2], [3] without a previous discussion but I'd like to know if you want to add more pronounciations, for example "Xipe-Totec"?. --Giggette (talk) 00:00, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

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IPA for Nahuatl[edit]

You will get yourself into trouble if you start trying to show dialectal variation in the IPA article, different dialects have completely different phonological systems and the table will turn into a mess. The zacapoaxtla dialect for example cannot be said to realize tl as t, it simply has no tl, but only t - t sometimes corresponds to classical nahuatl t, but it is not the case that it is realized as t - that is something different. Some dialects have b instead of kw, some have l instead of tl in some positions and t in others. The IPA is only to give a pronunciation key to classical Nahuatl and the most commonly known central dialects. It is not the place to give a description of phonological variation in contemporary dialects.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 01:59, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

okay--Ephert (talk) 02:02, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I think I would have kept those two examples you removed - they were pretty general, but once you start citing single specific dialects it becomes too complex. I have no problems if you want to reinsert those two. Also good idea to introduce phonological restrictions.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

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Graphemes[edit]

Lockhart does not write anything about graphemes on page 121 in Nahuatl as written. He correctly writes that Nahuatl words cannot begin or end with two consonants (i.e. two consonant phonemes). The word grapheme means a letter unit, vowel letters are also graphemes so obviously all written words begin with two graphemes. Secondly "grapheme" only applies to written languages and the phonology of the language is not determined by how it is written, but by the inventory of phonemes and the rules for how to combine them (phonology). The possible combinations of graphemes is governed by orthography which is something else entirely, and secondary. Thirdly Nahuatl words can begin and end with three consonant graphemes, and frequently do in colonial texts when Nahuatl scribes sometimes dropped final vowels in writing.·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 02:25, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Okay.--Ephert (talk) 02:28, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

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