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Happy New Year

Dear Geronimo,

Our vision for Wikipedia is one of beauty, natural symmetry and light.

I wish you a Happy New Year, everything good for your family, your loved ones and yourself, peace and joy for all the people of the world. I also wish a joyful and peaceful expansion for Wikipedia, may it bring helpful, generous, and peaceful information to everyone.
All the very best from Invertzoo (talk) 16:52, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Any idea at all on the identity of this fish?

Hi Geronimo, Would you take a look at this rather nice-looking fish. here it is. I was asked about it by Mbz1 (talk). She (Mila) took the image at an aquarium in the San Francisco Academy of Sciences, but does not know where the fish was from, other than that. I told her I am pretty useless on ID-ing most fishes. Best to you, Invertzoo (talk) 22:41, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Fishing industry in the United States

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DYK for Fishing industry in Russia

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--Dravecky (talk) 09:03, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Copyright

The underlying problem is that the new editor doesn't seem to understand that you may use copyrighted material as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. A lot of what is there was merely rephrasing the copyrighted material. That said: I'm delighted to AGF and restore it to a sandbox, User:Geronimo20/Western, for you to work on. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:07, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Done. --Orange Mike | Talk 23:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Many thanks. It's better than the original. Fbarw (talk) 21:15, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Bottom feeder (disambiguation)

I have nominated Bottom feeder (disambiguation), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bottom feeder (disambiguation). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. neon white talk 00:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

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Film Trailer

Geronimo - Thanks for the note. I would have missed that one. I left the contributor a welcome message. I hope he comes on board.

So far the New Year is going well. We've had a lot more snow in Montana than normal, but other than a few weeks of really cold, below zero weather, things have been pretty pleasant and most of the local rivers are free of significant ice. Am on the road for a couple of weeks, but should get in some nymphing in February if things stay moderate. Hope you are taking advantage of the warm New Zealand summer.--Mike Cline (talk) 10:18, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Fisheries and Fishing project page

Hello, I have made some changes to the project home pages, I hope you like them, if not you may revert them. Please feel free to ask any questions. --Jeremy ( Blah blah...) 22:36, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Global Warming video

Thanks for the link to Ian Plimer's presentation. It was very good. The ocean and coral reef stuff was excellent. Don't be discouraged by the wikipedia point of view - they are reporting a consensus, not investigating the science.

BTW, the 22 yr cycle is explained as river flow variations on slide 51.

You might also find Roy Spencer interesting. Q Science (talk) 06:29, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Halo Vajrakin

Thank you so very much for the Rainbow Star and eversomuch more for the spontaneous tears of joy it returned: they are so sublimely reptillian. Guenther: the article is not worthy of such a man and I am not worthy to be placed in such company. Noting your knowledge and interest area, would you have any source information for the tides of time from the Norse that entered its way into the English (to help progress Wyrd)? Could you direct me to someone or to an appropriate forum to progress the code for stats on my UserPage? I can't figure out how to drive it and I followed the instructions.
Blessings in blood: blót
B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Burma

Thanks, I know! I did a good number of the other Asian ones. It is a huge agricultural country and given the political situation and likely way out of date past information that exists haven't started it yet. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 22:23, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Great job on the Fishing industry in China article and the others BTW. Its such a shame with Burma because of the political situtation. I'm amazed you managed to write that on China but as far as I am aware the only web information that exists on Burma is pretty dated. It may be worth starting it but it will never adequately cover agriculture in the whole country which would seemingly cover over 90% of its land area. I'll see what I can find on it anyway. Th reason I haven't now is because of the size of Burma and that it is likely to be a poor coverage of it. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I;ve created a stub on Agriculture in Burma anyway. I can't remember if there was an LOC case study on it which of course is PD material. Yep I was right Burma is one of the few countries not covered, not surprised to be honest. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:58, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Ah I'm not American either but I have done a lot of work getting the Library of Congress content onto here. Its a good source, especially for 1980s-early 1990s but of course shouldn't be used primarily as I have done in many places where the articles didn't exist. The directory is at here. May have some useful information on fishing for some countries in the late 80s, early 90s era which you could probably intergrate with other sources. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 12:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Coffee production in El Salvador was started primarily from LOC just minutes ago. In many places it is very useful. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 14:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Biomass (ecology)

Thanks for the note and explanation of what you do. Comparative biomass is an important concept and I intend to further investigate "wet" or "dry" weight. Human weight calculation = 100 pounds x 6,500.000.000 x 1 ton/2,000pounds = 325,000.000 tons. I am not sure how you come up with 30 lbs of "dry" biomass weight. Shoefly (talk) 02:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Bitter geologists on Climate Change

Factors in Global warming

I refer to your discussion with William M. Connolley. First Climate Change is based on a 'cocktail of different factors, besides active greenhouse gasses (Carbondioxide and others) from volcanic ashes, man made sulfur emmissions, and solar influence. Regarding the last decades, the power of consensus is with man made carbon dioxide as the main (not only) contender - among others -, as to be seen from the first diagram. NO reasonable scientist will dispute a basic Co2 role. The court is still out wether the weight of the different factors is adequate.

Phanerozoic Carbon Dioxide

Climate Change in Phanerozoikum

Correlation between variations in cosmic ray flux (CRF) and change in sea temperature in the Phanerozoic, mirrored timescale

A statement like - geologist see large time scales and dont go for decades - is basically right. However for any geologist the concept of Uniformitarianism (science) applies - one should be able to explain the past with the present and vice vers. Thats exactly whats been done. Given the third diagram ist either have the cake or eat it. Frome the geological record, there is no clear evidence that Carbon dioxide was always the main driver of climate. Climate Change in Phanerozoikum (the last 450 Million years) doesnt fit with the main curves for athmospheric Carbon dioxide, there is a sort of of decoupling. A possible and quite interesting explanation is a 'Correlation between variations in cosmic ray flux (CRF) and change in sea temperatur Cosmic Rays taking the lead on climate. Wether this is applicable for todays climate, allowing for an additional curve in figure 1 is still under - major - dispute, Henrik Svensmark being one of the pioneers with a lot of arrows in his back. But you should take into account that significant research in that field is going on, among others at CERN.

There is as well a sort of bitterness of climate modellers, which had been allowed to play big egoshooter games on real big servers and travel first class with Al Gore and Angela Merkel and now seeing their beaver furs swimming away, stolen by old fashioned geologists partially using methods and concepts going back to the 18 century. Revenge can be so sweet. Lets call it a turf battle.

Basically I assume the future will lead to a more differentiated approach with more curves in figure one and man made climate change will be less dramatized. All the best --Polentario (talk) 04:24, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

PS.: Have a look on Tim Patterson, he's in climate change and fishery, think you will like his approach. BR --Polentario (talk) 13:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Wetland

Please see my comment on the talk page regarding the biome template. Thanks. Equazcion •✗/C • 20:49, 28 Jan 2009 (UTC)

Maldives

Hey resident fishing expert. I've started an article on Fishing industry in the Maldives. I wondered if you expand it? Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:08, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

That would be wonderful, I can give you a hand at least getting the articles off to a start class. I'd like to see a full coverage of world fishing industries on here. Well at the moment I just have some info on markets to add to Fishing industry in the Maldives. Needs some statistic tables though on production etc. If you could dig up those that would be great. I'll nominate it for a DYK anyway. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

My god you've done an awesome job with that. Your work in this field really is quite something. Don't worry I'll ask my good friend to move it to the correct date and find a different DYK. SHouldn't feel any pressure over it. Thanks Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 18:13, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Fishing vessel

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Dravecky (talk) 02:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Kudos to you, sir! Fishing vessel is an excellent article! --Kralizec! (talk) 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Fishing industry in the Maldives

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Dravecky (talk) 14:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Gastropod Valentine

A very Happy Valentine's day to you! -- Invertzoo (talk) 18:52, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Spontaneous manifestation of magical buttons

Dear Vajrakin, did u hav somethin 2 do with the "Spontaneous manifestation of magical buttons" and new whizzbang editing functions on my login? No notes, no instructions, no nuffin, they just appeared EFFORTLESSLY? Whomever is responsible, please thank them sincerely.
:~D
Beauford
B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:34, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh i worked it out, i was using a different computer with a different browser with plugins, my browser of choice has been Opera but I have been having problems with it not displaying certain buttons and functionality, my new browser of choice is Firefox...that's where all the new buttons had appeared from :-)

sorry to interrupt if I did

B9 hummingbird hovering ^{(talk • contribs)} 05:34, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Flickr

Hi. Thanks for your note. If you search for any images under Flickr Creative Commons 2.0 Attribution and Flickr Creative Commons 2.0 Attribution Share-Alike they may be uploaded and be compatible but you must ensure you follow the same format each time in uploading and add the correct author, source and date and place etc. Other than this you can make a flickr account like I have and start asking permission to use peoples images or ask them to change specific licenses on images which you may require so they can be uploaded. This isn't always successful but I've made a lot of good agreements this way. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

If you email me a message I can send you my "prototype" I send when asking to use images. I copy and paste it every time and adjust it slightly whenever I have a request, saves time. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 11:15, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I've got your email, will post my form to you later. Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 10:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Naval drifter

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Shubinator (talk) 22:40, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Fishing techniques: slabbing/jigging

You wrote: "Slabbing" seems like a form of jigging. " Actually it is a form of jigging, but quite different from the kind of fishing discussed in the "jigging" article. The term "slabbing" is more precise, not sure it's used much in other parts of the world. If you're thinking that whole paragraph would be better as a section in jigging, I'd probably agree. thanks. Dusty.crockett (talk) 17:38, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I suspect "slabbing" is a regional term, fishermen on other forums don't use it, just my local board (check it out if you get a chance). We always think of "jigging" as a method of presentation, and "slabbing" as jigging with a slab. I think the term slab was invented by Lake Texoma striper guides but that's just a suspicion. I'll move my bit over there, but being in Texas, I know nothing about ice fishing -- I could do some research, but maybe an actual ice fisherman will be along soon........ Dusty.crockett (talk) 03:45, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Not sure I can commit the amount of time to reach DYK status -- I'll give it a try, though. Starting next week sometime? Dusty.crockett (talk) 19:03, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

"Jigging" as I understand it, is defined by a vertical method of presentation, rather than by the nomenclature of the bait being used; you can "jig" a rattle trap, spinnerbait or spoon, and you can chuck & wind a jig. In planning to organize and expand the jigging page, I see that there are many fishing lures represented in Category:Fishing equipment. I noticed that you moved the page from "Jig (fishing)" to "Jigging" but it occurs to me that the "Jig" article might itself be needed. Ideas? Dusty.crockett (talk) 17:32, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

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Keep up the good work! Ruhrfisch _><>°^° 18:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Cabals on Wikipedia

Hey Geronimo20, I have found your page via a contribution on the talk page of User:Orlady and was interested in your contributions after I have read your comments there. I have looked at some of your articles and must congratulate you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Great work! But this is not the main reason why I contact you.

I appreciate your stance against groups of people on Wikipedia (and elsewhere) to pursue a common course in secrecy. I found the "there is no cabal" userbox on your user page and I use it on my user page now, too. I like the straightforwardness of the message and I absolutely identify myself with and share the concept of openness at Wikipedia. It seems that sometimes there is a lot going on under the blanket of secrecy at Wikipedia. The concept of secrecy on Wikipedia, in my opinion, has many disadvantages and an advantage only for the ones involved in the cabals. Wikipedia policies and article content can be influenced without much input by other editors, the secret clubs have the advantage of securing votes and influence decisions in cases of controversy as they can provide a bunch of votes at a time, by activation of all members of the secret club. A single editor with his or her opinion stands alone against a secret group of editors, aggregating their "votes" to outnumber any reasonable discussion at an early stage. It seems, though, that these groups miss the main point of "consensus". By quite some (not so smart) Wikipedians, consensus is mistaken as the outcome of a simple vote but it is far from that. Consensus is the outcome of a group discussion, not determined by the most votes but by the quality of arguments. That is what they miss.

In my humble opinion, this system of secret clubs is not a positive contribution to Wikipedia, a bias is produced that can get out of control easily, especially if some admins and users vote for their own to get their own people in positions at Wikipedia. I am German and there is the word "Vetternwirtschaft" in that language, it is translated "cousin's economy" (or so), it means that if you own a business and have some task to source-out you would rather give the business to your cousin, instead of picking the best person to accomplish the task. Wikipedia articles should be written from a neutral point of view, or their contents are going to be cut short. The same should be the case with editors and - especially - administrators, if they are not neutral, they should be cut off. Recently, in the soon-to-come-up admin discussion for Orlady, I found that the vote page already had two support votes before the nomination had even started. (It still has not started) Wow, if you are the member of a cabal, you can be assured that you have votes in favor of you once the voting starts. No problem there until I added my (at that time) neutral opinon on top of the two support votes. I was informed that the voting has not yet started ... wow, support votes by secret club members are OK but negative or neutral opinions have to wait until the "real" voting starts. Well, to satisfy my criticism, the two supporters removed their votes and I removed mine also after that. Now I have to reformulate that stuff again in a few days.

Anyway, in the case of Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Orlady‎ in this recent light of premature support votes I have changed my position from neutral to oppose and I am going to address my concerns at that discussion. This is because the communication skills of the user in question lack the quality to qualify for the post as an admin. I have pointed out several deficiencies in the communication on her talk page. Maybe the seed falls on fertile grounds but even if so, it should take some time until they grow and prosper, if they do ... At the time, the user in question seems to overestimate her capabilities in the field of communication. I have looked through the conversations of you and Orlady and I found the exact pattern you are complaining about: from the top, arrogant use of language that could make you feel insignificant in the shadow of her self declared wisdom. Your communication in the controversy does not lack anything, you keep calm and try to explain your concerns and where you felt hurt without handing out insults, instead of insisting on your point like a spoilt child who threatens to call the big brother. Very likely, there is a pretty insignificant person behind this username, who did not accomplish much in life and found her niche to "be someone" in the anonymity of Wikipedia. Who knows?! Who cares?!

Hey, if you like to respond, please feel free to add your words to my talkpage. I like all the good stuff and all the bad stuff brought out into the open. This is the only way that Wikipedia is going to work. Open and available for everyone to read and to add their two cents to it. Take care, doxTxob \ ^talk 06:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

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Gatoclass (talk) 18:06, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

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Pelorus Sound

Hmm. I think you convinced Awadewit you'd fixed the opening graf, but now she understandably wants to be able to see all the sources. Is there a way you could do this? (I also would have not used "plagiarism", since that implies an intent to deceive, unless the entire article is copy-pasted with no effort to reformat or rewrite (You'd be surprised, though, how many people think that's OK). Daniel Case (talk) 15:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Plagiarism vs. copyright violation

I suggest you that you read this website about plagiarism. This (which, by the way, I did not write), is not a copyright violation, because it is from a document that is in the public domain. Public domain texts can be plagiarized, but we cannot violate their copyright, since they are no longer protected. Awadewit (talk) 21:44, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Case studies on related topics

Hi Geronimo-

I understand your concerns and your desire to keep Wikipedia spam free, and I agree that spurious placements of links, etc. are distracting and detract from the overall value of the system.

That said, we are a company of scientists, researchers and programmers that have been exceedingly active in the marine research field for decades. Our products were developed to help our colleagues and ourselves advance our research and they have been very successful in doing so.

If you consider the sharing of methods and capabilities in the form of case studies to be spam, I respectfully disagree with you. Scientific methods developed, shared and applied are key to the overall advancement of our understanding of our precious marine resources.

In respect of your feelings, I will refrain from posting links to these case studies in areas where they are inappropriate. I would ask you in return to honestly consider the positive effects of using social media to communicate and share scientific methods, processes and tools.

Cheers,

Bradjuhasz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:50, 9 March 2009 (UTC).

Hi Geronimo,

I honestly don't understand why you would choose to be so insulting since you really don't know me or my company. And while I know the world is full of people and companies who misrepresent themselves, we are not among that group.

If you have any interest in learning more about us and our history, I invite you to take a look at our corporate website: www.myriax.com.

Cheers,

Bradjuhasz (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:53, 10 March 2009 (UTC).

FYI, Bradjuhasz's domains are now blacklisted due to persistent spamming in spite of requests to stop. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:29, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Trolling

Got a little careless -- thanks for catching it. Sorry bout that. Dusty.crockett (talk) 01:24, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Possibility of widespread CopyVio problems in fish articles?

Not to alarm you Geronimo, but over at WikiProject Gastropods we are dealing with a massively widespread CopyVio problem created by User:Graham Bould. Our page for this is here: [1]

I notice that GB also started, or contributed to, a fair number of articles on Fish (of New Zealand and Australia mostly I think). I have only looked at a few of those very quickly and the ones I did see fortunately did not have much text, and were mostly long species lists and so on. Nevertheless, you may want to check and see what you have that was started by GB or has major contributions by him. Check it against whatever reference he gave for the possibility of copying. Good luck! Invertzoo (talk) 19:19, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

I also wanted to ask you, do you by any chance have a copy of the Powell book: Powell A W B, New Zealand Mollusca, William Collins Publishers Ltd, Auckland, New Zealand 1979 ISBN 0-00-216906-1. Over at our clean up efforts, only one of us has access to that book, and that for us was the main source of the copyvios. Invertzoo (talk) 19:32, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Well I hate to drag you into the mollusk clean-up efforts, but... if the book is easy to get, we might want to ask you questions based on it when our other editor who has access to the book is not available. But the first priority is for you to go ahead and check any fish articles that were started by GB (or ones where GB made large contributions) to make sure we don't need to widen the copyvio alert. All best wishes to you, Invertzoo (talk) 20:02, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi again, If you do get hold of a copy of the big 1979 Powell book, do let us know, as I will ask you to check a few things in it. Thanks, Invertzoo (talk) 17:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

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Recreational fishing

Thanks for adding refs to this article. I didn't mean to stomp on your edits but until you added refs they were unsupported. Bob98133 (talk) 14:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Redlinks

Please note that if a link links to an unrelated article, it shouldn't be there. If the link title is "Regional fishing", it shouldn't link to "Fishing in Alabama". Why? Because "Regional fishing" is not covered in "Fishing in Alabama". Also, please stop being tyrannical and reverting edits that you specifically don't like. See WP:OWN. PotentialDanger (talk) 22:33, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Could you check in the Powell book please?

Hi Geronimo, I am looking at some more gastropod articles. Could you look under the gastropod genus Caecum to see if some or all of this is copied:

"The shells have discoidal nuclear whorls that are shed soon after the adult stage commences, which is in the form of a simple slightly curved tube, now sealed off above by a blunt rounded septum. The aperture is circular and so is the tight fitting operculum. The animal grazes upon filmy organic deposits, and moves about jerkily by advancing the foot and then dragging the shell in a series of short steps."

Thanks G, all the best from Invertzoo (talk) 23:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)