User talk:EpochFail

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Re: Re: Growth team research[edit]

Dear Halfak,
Thanks for your reply, I am totally interested and I would like to join on your project that you are doing now. You may send me email to Here are some of my introduction: 13 years old, born and live in Hong Kong, Studying at a secondary school, I am joining zh.wikipedia, Wy/zh on incubator and ZH on wikiversity and I have went to wikimania 2013 Hong Kong. Thanks for your reply!
Gabrielchihonglee (talk)

You're right.[edit]

I read the article here and some of your work that it referenced. You're right.

Best wishes,

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 22:40, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Hey The Uninvited. Thanks for the support! I'm trying to help solve the problem too. See WP:Snuggle.  :) --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 03:12, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
  • I recently came across the same article. "Kudos!" from me as well. :  }
--Kevjonesin (talk) 21:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Snuggle for other wikis?[edit]

Hi, do you think that Snuggle could be translated (and hosted) for wikis in other languages? In case it could, I'd be interested for, so I would provide the Italian translations and do the rest I can do :-) --g (talk) 00:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Hey g. yes! Absolutely. I have an internationalization strategy for Snuggle that works pretty well for languages that are written/read left to right. See [1] for an example of what the En-US file looks like and [2] for an example of what the Pt-BR translation looks like. If you could produce a similar file for me, I could spool up another version of Snuggle for itwiki. There will be a little more configuration necessary to detect certain types of talk page messages, but we can take care of that when we get that far. Would you be comfortable submitting a pull request with a new translation file. If not, you could just post it on the wiki. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 02:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
fine :-) I'm in a hurry today, so I left you the translated page here. Please let me know about what to detect in talk pages and whatever else should be done on the local ( side. Thank you :-) --g (talk) 10:02, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
Will do. I'm off at a conference for the next couple of days, but I'll get back to you when I can. There's a hackathon coming up [3] early next month where I plan to get this work done. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 11:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
No problem, I'm here :-) About Zurich, you will meet there some Colleagues from, I'm pretty sure they will help for details :-) --g (talk) 21:45, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
PS: we already have a page about the tool --g (talk) 21:46, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
g, Wow! That's great! We'll have to get some new screenshots in place once I have it up and running with the new language files. Would you be able to introduce me to your colleagues now so that we might start planning the work? In the meantime, it would be helpful if you point me towards a set of example templates and other talk page messages that you think it would be useful for Snuggle to detect. For example, in enwiki, Snuggle identified vandalism warnings by looking for structured comments like <!-- Template:uw-vandalism1 --> in talk page messages. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 02:00, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
The l10n itself seems small enough, I can translate it myself any time if needed; however, it's missing message documentation and I would prefer to feel in the 21st century.
As for templates mapping, that's something that will require patrollers' buy-in and help, is it configurable on wiki? There is a cheetsheet table and a full list in the category. It's probably best to mimic whatever LiveRC does on (it's the "standard" tool there); for this I or some other Italian-speaking user will be available to help in Zurich in case language skills separate from snuggle knowledge don't suffice.
All of this should be documented. --Nemo 13:21, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
Re. translate wiki integration, I'd appreciate a pull request :D since I have other fish to fry and not enough time to heat the burner as it is. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 14:12, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
sorry for my late answer, I was afk for a few days. This one could be a vandal's average talk page (well, a little more than the usual amount :-) We have - in decreasing importance - the {{yc}} (a final warning just before a block), the {{Blocco}} (a warning he's been blocked, reason and duration), the {{vandalismo}} (with the vandalised page), the {{Senza senso}} (for meaningless edits); as far as I know, our templates don't hide commented text in the page, so if we are talking about a regexp looking for hidden text, we don't have any (apart from other MW's ordinary comments). We have several other templates about other bad habits, such as those about copyright violation, and other issues which I believe will more or less be the same here. Most of them will have a name starting with {{Avviso ... }}, and all the templates which name starts with this word ("avviso"=warning) are of interest.
In case Snuggle can detect ordinary (internal) links, it could be useful to add [[Wikipedia:Utenti problematici/{{PAGENAME}}| (this page is partly similar to the incidents' noticeboard, however it is the place in which we discuss about troublemakers, in different sub-pages under the troublemaker's username, i.e.: [[Wikipedia:Utenti problematici/Gianfranco]]. This is because when a discussion is being held about this user, the one who starts it has to link it in the talk page of the concerned user. This was for a first step, I will soon sort out a list of important templates :-) --g (talk) 00:54, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hey g, sorry for the delay. Just a status update. I just wanted you to know that I've been getting some hacking in every chance that I get. One of the things that I needed to do before I could get the itwiki Snuggle up and running was moving the enwiki Snuggle from my old research lab's machines ( to Wikimedia labs ( In order to make that switch, I needed to move away from the old authentication system which used your username and password to log you into Wikipedia. Snuggle now uses OAuth to do a handshake with MediaWiki instead. This was harder than expected, so I published a library and improved some documentation to make it easier for the next guy. I'm close to getting the next couple of language servers spooled up. I'll ping when I do. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 00:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

no problem, take the time you need, I can wait :-) Good to know that the authentication stuff was was brought... back home, this could actually have concerned some users. I believe it's worth the extra work to keep pws in the WMF's area :-)
OT, Nemo will have told you that your research about is currently being commented at our Village Pump (just ask me, if you need translations :-). Might I ask you two questions: first of all, why are we talking about a "decline" for a 15% loss? I mean, we are a relatively small Community, we are talking about (grossly) 120/150 users (I'm looking at 100+ and 250+ users, the rest is hardly accountable), in times of a severe general crisis (in Italy, which is our main geographical reference), and in coherence with other "western" projects' negative trends.
Secondly, looking at other wikis' numbers, it seems indeed that we weren't the only ones in trouble, i.e. nl, pl, es, fr, pt, all have similar losses; what makes so special?
I happen not to agree with the definition, but I'd really like to understand your point, I'm afraid there's something I'm missing, so thank you in advance for your thoughts (of course, you are always welcome to take part into the discussion, if you wish - we will gladly provide a translation :-) --g (talk) 22:14, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Researcher rights[edit]


What does researcher allow you to do, can you view deleted pages? If so what is the process for becoming one? Valoem talk contrib 03:11, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Valoem. Sadly, the researcher right does not allow users to view deleted page content. In the past, I've needed to apply for temporary sysop rights in order to view such content and query the API for revisions to deleted pages. I don't know of a structured process for this. If you're interested in helping set one up, I'd be interested in working with you. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 07:38, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you, I was hoping to set up a new special permission WP:RETRIVER which allows editors to apply for this ability, but if temp sysop is the only way, how would I start? Valoem talk contrib 13:30, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
@Valoem: Hmm... In my case, the first step to getting temporary sysop for research purposes was to get hired by the WMF to do research. Since that's not practical for most, I'd like to support a more general process. As far as the right way to create a new user group and permission set, I'm not familiar with that process, but I imagine that writing up a proposal and posting to WP:VPP or WP:VPM would be a good first step. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 05:29, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#Help desk changes[edit]

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation#Help desk changes. Figured the new data for the AfC/HD might be of interest to your AfC research... Thanks. — {{U|Technical 13}} (etc) 17:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)