User talk:EpochFail

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Re: Re: Growth team research[edit]

Dear Halfak,
Thanks for your reply, I am totally interested and I would like to join on your project that you are doing now. You may send me email to Here are some of my introduction: 13 years old, born and live in Hong Kong, Studying at a secondary school, I am joining zh.wikipedia, Wy/zh on incubator and ZH on wikiversity and I have went to wikimania 2013 Hong Kong. Thanks for your reply!
Gabrielchihonglee (talk)

Authorship and weighting[edit]

I am working on an authorship tool. See here for an example of the output.

Be good to have a chat while we are both in London. All the best: Rich Farmbrough11:14, 10 August 2014 (UTC).

Rich *clicks* Cool! This looks like one of the alternative uses of authorship/persistence I'd really like to support (whether via the api or by collaborating on code). I have some meetings over lunch, but I'll be around after the closing ceremony. Would you like to chat and maybe grab some dinner? --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 11:45, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
That would be good! All the best: Rich Farmbrough14:27, 10 August 2014 (UTC).
  • I'm listening to your talk about AfC and would be interested in joining up for this talk with Rich and dinner. Andrew (talk) 14:17, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Rich & Andrew Sounds good to me. Let's meet outside Hall door 7 on the ground floor after the closing ceremony. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 15:33, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
  • Will do. Andrew (talk) 15:46, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Ack! Face-smile.svg All the best: Rich Farmbrough16:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC).
Rich. The information theory based authorship tracking paper I was talking about [1] --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 16:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks. The rarity functions do indeed correspond to the entropy function I am using, I need to read the whole paper when I am less tired to see if I can improve my algorithm from what they have, but initially it does look very promising. All the best: Rich Farmbrough14:44, 11 August 2014 (UTC).

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you for giving an interesting and insightful talk at Wikimania London on new article processes. It should give Wikipedians (especially on English Wikipedia) lots to think about to help welcome and retain newbies.
Tom Morris (talk) 14:48, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

German Wikipedia is weird[edit]

Hi Aaron,

just wanted to let you know that you can reach me at de:User:Braveheart and/or the email function on that site if you have any questions concerning German-Wikipedia-Weirdness. Cheers, Philip Kopetzky (talk) 22:17, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S.: You can give me my 2 ₤ back when you come to Vienna sometime ;-)

Hi Philip Kopetzky. Thanks again and it was great talking to you! It might be nice to catch up again soon given recent events re. MediaViewer. You'll be hearing from me. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 08:26, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, things are heating up quickly: de:Wikipedia:Umfragen/Superschutz - basically a petition to strip WMF staff of superprotect rights and remove superprotection from any de-wp pages. Philip Kopetzky (talk) 21:11, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey Philip. I can't fault the dewiki editors for pursuing this option. I was honestly dumbfounded when I heard that Commons.js was locked down. The only way can I can seem to help is by aggressively pushing for the improvements to feature development/deployment processes that will make these battles unnecessary in the future. It's hard to sit by the sidelines and watch this unfold, but it seems that anything I might do about the current situation would add fuel to the fire.  :/ I'm open to suggestions though. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 21:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
No, sure, there's not much we can do at the moment, it's just a bit weird how quickly things are escalating. Just keep on doing what you're doing! Philip Kopetzky (talk) 22:23, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Not really weird, the interface between the community and the foundation, notably the old-school developers has been broken for some time. The mission statement says "empower and encourage", the attitude has been "command and control". Unless the hierarchy learns to chill, and work collegially, grim consequences seem likely, on de: and possibly on en: and Commons. All the best: Rich Farmbrough02:11, 16 August 2014 (UTC).

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hey Rich. I totally agree. empower is an important word here. In the talk that Yaneer Bar-Yam gave at Wikipedia, he argued that hierarchical organizations are limited in the complexity of problems that they can solve (from a computational modeling perspective) and that organizations that distribute control can adapt to complex problems more effectively. see the talk. I think that is keen. Regardless of who you think is right in a given situation, I think that we can have a productive discussion about effective decision-making structures at the scale of Wikipedias and that it will inevitably lead us to an empowering role for the WMF. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 08:17, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

I have been banging on in various fora, trying to make it clear that this is not about the Media Viewer, or even about Super-protection, but culture. I'm not sure I'm making any headway, but I feel it is important to try. Thanks for pointing me to Bar-Yam's presentation, it is thought provoking and pulls a fair few strands together. I have been trying to explain the leadership imperative first discussed by Wilfred Bion in his Experiences in Groups to the community from time to time, but I think the particular expression "when something goes wrong the knee-jerk reaction is to put someone in charge" is pithy (arbcom anyone?). All the best: Rich Farmbrough21:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC).
Yes, the tendency to not yield any ground in a conflict makes things more difficult than they should be - I'm not quite sure as to whether this is a general "angry Internet" problem or specific to WP. People on :de are now applauding the "audacity" of certain administrators who "dared to stand up to WMF", fighting off WMF bureaucracy and thinking that the conflict is settled. If the cause of this mess isn't dealt with, we'll have the same situation with the next implemented feature.Philip Kopetzky (talk) 09:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
I recently had a good chat with Birgit_Müller_ about the situation. While we worked through some ideas that would make upcoming deployments easier to foresee (e.g. call attention to "beta" when a beta feature is nearly ready for deployment), I think the real solution is to bring a user-centered process to product development and prioritization. Right now, there's not much insight into decisions about which products will be developed until they are nearing deployment. We identified three general groups of stakeholders who ought to have a voice in prioritization.
  • Experienced Wikipedians: Can be engaged on-wiki. Community liaisons bring expert knowledge and engage on-wiki, but only after the product road map has been set. User testing at Wikimania is very important, but it happens after we've already decided what problem to solve (usually when we have a solution ready) and for the purposes of identifying minor issues to fix -- not setting priorities.
  • Newbies: Can't really be engaged on wiki, but they can be surveyed and interviewed at sign up. Lots of relevant research here, but user studies will be critical to understand how to newcomers might prioritize their problems.
  • Readers: Currently no direct engagement, but since mostly everyone reads Wikipedia, guerrilla testing can work for Western, English speakers. We'd need to broaden our strategies in order to know the concerns of the majority of our readers (not available for guerrilla testing in the bay area). AFAICT, we tend to focus guerrilla around new features. Have we ever just watched people browse Wikipedia to see where they stumble?
It makes me wonder if there should be a specific group tasked with understanding and advocating the needs of each stakeholder group. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 19:32, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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I am awarding this barnstar for the great job you've being doing with wiki researches. Thanks for all and keep up with all this amazing datahacks you provide to the world! Crang115 (talk) 18:06, 21 September 2014 (UTC)


Nice work with the interface and the logo. It looks brilliant! --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:44, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Rsrikanth05 Woo! Thanks! I hope you find it useful. Please do let me know if you encounter any problems. --EpochFail (talkcontribs) 17:37, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Sure. Will do. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 17:42, 23 September 2014 (UTC)