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Do I know you?[edit]

Noticing that your edit history reflects an interest in Native American/Mesoamerican and Danish linguistics I can't help but think that I probably know you in person? Any affiliation to the departments with those fields of interest at the University of Copenhagen?User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:52, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

@Maunus: Well, since I don't have any affiliation with the University of Copenhagen whatsoever, I suppose we probably don't know each other in person. I haven't even been to Denmark, sadly.
I'm afraid I'm just another guy with a strong interest in Native American/Mesoamerican and Germanic linguistics.
Heh, sorry about that.
Espreon (talk) 18:04, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
No worries, just thought I'd ask. I'm happy to share interests with you anyway.User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 18:05, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
@Maunus: Likewise, Maunus. Likewise.
Espreon (talk) 18:12, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Bradford[edit]

Holis espreon n__n gksdfgs .--Pichu How can I help? 03:15, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

¡Algo de baklava para usted![edit]

Baklava - Turkish special, 80-ply.JPEG for you Pichu How can I help? 03:17, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Icelandic phonology table[edit]

What is your point by saying "No, not really. Besides, it's probably better to keep the two stop series together"? יהודה שמחה ולדמן (talk) 21:47, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

It's not like we need the space for a voiced series.
Plus there's the orthographical approach (mentioned in the article) that prefers to see the plain stops as phonemically voiced (at times), it seems.
Espreon (talk) 21:56, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
Really? Where and why does it say that? And another question: What's to point of adding useless chars to programming texts? I dropped many like this in the Template:IPA consonant chart page (differences here - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3AIPA_consonant_chart&diff=590425380&oldid=590420377), after I realized this - and again someone reverted it to the old version with those chars. Why are you guys making it so hard for me to share something with the English Wlikpedia? I'm just so depressed. Mabye I should just quit helping in any case. יהודה שמחה ולדמן (talk) 23:51, 12 January 2014 (UTC)
It says so here. I probably should have simply said that these analyses tend to consider some plain [k]s as a phone of /g/. Now, if you also find this dubious, then I would ask those who make such analyses why they do so.
As for the chart you mentioned, I have no idea. I just know that the use of {{IPA}} is for compatibility.
Well, in my opinion, modifying charts and templates like you're doing right now isn't really sharing anything with us. Adding actual content would be sharing something with us... especially content on things that people don't write about in English that much.
Now, if you wish to work on charts and templates, I would recommend working things out with those who don't agree with your changes or fixing up charts of rather poor quality.
I hope this helps.
Espreon (talk) 01:55, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
{{IPA}} wraps text in the 'IPA' class so that it can be custom styled, e.g. if I were to use a different font (many people do). — Lfdder (talk) 08:56, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
@Lfdder: Hmm, I was thinking more of how (I believe) it helps prevent clients from rendering the text in "bad" fonts that get rendered with things like screwy tiebars. Espreon (talk) 13:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
It does that on Windows XP (and lower). (Or at least it used to.) More accurately, the software performs OS detection (I would think) and loads an extra stylesheet to style IPA-tagged elements (and other things). — Lfdder (talk) 14:14, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Rudeness[edit]

Hi. May I ask howcome User:Lfdder uses bad language towards me because I changed the Icelandic phonology page to an old version? How dare he write "For F***'s sake" at the edit summary? Aren't there any rules here? Does he really think people would listen and accept him this way!? יהודה שמחה ולדמן (talk) 11:30, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Not as rude as ignoring everybody's feedback and plunging ahead w/ whatever it is you're trying to do here. — Lfdder (talk) 16:36, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
@יהודה שמחה ולדמן: Well, going in and making changes like that while ignoring what others are telling you may cause some people to think that you don't care about what they think at all. Of course, at that point, some may react in a somewhat poor fashion... And yes, while this is bad, I highly recommend that you listen to what others are telling you and to reconsider the usefulness of what it is your doing and what I told you earlier.
Anyway, I would also like to tell you that I am not fond of your forcing nasals, approximants, and the like into alignment with voiced sounds that exist in opposition with voiceless sounds, like you did at Italian phonology. It simply isn't necessary and doesn't bring much benefit.
Espreon (talk) 22:44, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
And I would like to say that, again, it'd be better if you worked on charts that aren't of great quality. I think some of the charts in the various Native American language articles are truly in need of some sprucing up.
Espreon (talk) 22:53, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
Like what? יהודה שמחה ולדמן (talk) 09:26, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
@יהודה שמחה ולדמן: Sadly, I can't think of anything off the top of my head, so I suggest that you start here.
Espreon (talk) 03:08, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Santa Diabla[edit]

Hola, te quería pedir si puedes acomodar la traducción o gramática del artículo Santa Diabla. Por fis c: .--GeorgeMilan talk 06:06, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

@GeorgeMilan: He revertido tus últimos cambios al artículo, por ahora; como te he dicho en IRC, te ayudaré mañana.
Espreon (talk) 06:51, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
User:GeorgeMilan/Santa Diabla <-- Hay está ya puse lo quiero traducir bien :DD .--GeorgeMilan talk 14:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Deformation Comment[edit]

To my best knowledge, deformation is a commonly used term in phonology, and does not have negative connotations. There certainly are sources available that point to it being used in this manner. If you strongly feel that's not the case, I won't argue it either way. --Slazenger (Contact Me) 10:08, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

@Slazenger: Which sources were you thinking of?
Espreon (talk) 10:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
I just quickly typed the phrase into Google and my university's database. I'm certainly not active in the phonology projects on WP, and thus defer to your opinion. Just figured I owed you an explanation. --Slazenger (Contact Me) 10:14, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
@Slazenger: Well, to be honest with you, I've never run into this, so I guess I'm at fault. I'll revert it.
Thanks.
Espreon (talk) 10:17, 14 February 2014 (UTC)