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Hello Ethicoaestheticist! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking Button sig.png or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Tyrenius 00:46, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
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I have no idea if it's the 1970s, the 1980s, or the 1990s. I find the notion of "postmodern art" to be basically gibberish. Bus stop 16:33, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Some argue that modern art ends with minimalism in the 1960s. The 1970s is a less controversial cut-off date referred to in the article on modern art. The article on modernism ends in 1945. Any date between the end of WWII and the 1970s will have its adherents. The statement that modern art ends in the 1990s runs counter to the normal assumptions and would need to be supported with a reference. --Ethicoaestheticist 16:52, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
The 1970s is fine with me. The article on Postmodern art is noncommittal about this. Bus stop 16:58, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for your note, I admit that I'm at a loss concerning completely the rationale concerning WP:NONFREE, and adding the necessary information to the copyright pages, I'll need to try to understand. By the way - I was pleased by the Ferus Gallery article. Modernist 21:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for taking on the onerous task of filling in the fair-use rationales for all those Western painting images.--Ethicoaestheticist 23:13, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

My ummmmmm pleasure :), as a cut-and-paste goddess it's the least I can do. --sparkitTALK 23:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your help on Western painting. Modernist 10:47, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Cinema1 Deleuze.gif)[edit]

Thanks for uploading Image:Cinema1 Deleuze.gif. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

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The image on Cinema 1: The Movement Image was replaced by Image:Cinema1 deleuze french.jpg. This one can now be deleted.--Ethicoaestheticist 17:23, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Ferus Gallery[edit]

The image was deleted because the copyright was from the Smithsonian and they deleted every image on Wikipedia with a Smithsonian copyright, because the Smithsonian copyright template was deleted. I don't really know why, but all images with that copyright tag suddenly were images hung out to dry. Modernist 14:26, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

That explains it. Thanks. --Ethicoaestheticist 14:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)


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Thanks for helping with the InfoArt cleanup project. Tyrenius 21:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Huma Bhabha[edit]

She's categorized a Parsi and is on the List of Parsis. Given that "Parsi" is an old term for "Zoroastrian", and the Category:Parsis is a subcat of Category:Zoroastrians, it seemed reasonable to add the Zoroastrian tag. I acknowledge that many of the Parsis today may be more ethnically than religiously "Parsi", but the connection seems kind of obvious. I don't think that the project is at all likely to try to "take over" the content of the article with religious-based information, although if we find such info in reliable sources there's a good chance it'll be included while not giving that info undue weight within the article. Also, it's being added to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Zoroastrianism/Articles list, which will allow the members to check it for recent changes, like vandalism and other nonproductive changes, etc. However, you probably could remove it, if you saw fit to, and it might not be noticed by anyone other than me, and I don't think I'd be likely to replace it. John Carter 16:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the full response. No reason why she can't be a sculptor and a parsi!--Ethicoaestheticist 17:01, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I did a bit of Google-based research. The content of her work is vehemently anti-religious, and without evidence that she self-identifies herself as Parsi or Zoroastrian I'm removing the cat and tag. But, as you say, the article is pretty insignificant, with no links to it, so it's unlikely that anyone cares one way or the other!--Ethicoaestheticist 22:43, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem, then, and thanks for the work. I would only note that if in time it does become clear that she is of Parsi descent (however that's determined) then that category could probably be returned. John Carter 22:45, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


Bbik, re:[1]. Perhaps a new article should be created: Homework help with The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Don't worry, I'm only joking.--Ethicoaestheticist 22:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Ha! :D Or maybe Pre-written papers analyzing The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. Though, to have only a few people asking in three years, that's not too bad. -Bbik 00:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Kosovo: country debate[edit]

Hello. There's a discussion going on Talk:List of countries as to whether or not Kosovo should be included in that list. You have an interest in Serbia-related articles and I thought you might be interested. The articles List of countries and Annex to the list of countries (where the inclusion criteria reside) are both relevant. Cheers. DSuser 14:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Carissa Proffit[edit]

Sorry, I've not found hard-copy published mention of her name, probably because it has been in South Island newspapers, which I rarely see. I'll have a detailed search if I can. Robin Patterson 00:56, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Elizabeth Murray (artist)[edit]

You were hasty. You wrote, "the askart website does not list where her work is held". That is incorrect. Please be more careful. If you go to, you will find that there is a link, plain as day, called "museums". Now, to help the unobservant, I could list that page as a separate link. Actually, I have done that for articles in the past, anticipating just this problem. And you know what happened? Another officious deletionist deleted the "redundant link". Maybe you should be more careful before you delete things, or even consider erring in future on the side of inclusion? MdArtLover 00:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

No mistake. The page does not have a link to museums. (The word 'museums' appears at the top left, but it isn't a link - at least for me - perhaps it's available to subscribers?). The link to 'quick facts' lists The Stuart Collection and UBS-Paine Webber Collection.[2] --Ethicoaestheticist 08:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
That's weird. Are you sure? I'm not a subscriber, but when I click on that, I get this: MdArtLover 11:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Just checked the page again and now the museums link is there. I like to avoid getting into arguments with other editors, so I'm glad this has been sorted out. Apologies.--Ethicoaestheticist 11:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Michael Fried[edit]

Aha, a Deeluzian too. Just noticed you in the history of the Michael Fried page, and wondered whether you might be able to flesh out his absorption / theatricality thing? I was hoping to reference it in some Brecht articles. Thanks, DionysosProteus 07:27, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


Ty I appreciate that. Modernist 01:01, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Karsten Schubert[edit]

That's fine - I wasn't sure where to put it after re-directing the gallery article to the person. Thanks! ELIMINATORJR 08:34, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


Hi Ethico, For what its worth, he was a known albeit slightly known Abstract expressionist active in the heyday of the New York School. He's mentioned in the major De Kooning biography by Mark Stevens and Annalyn Swann and he's also included in New York School Abstract Expressionists Artists Choice by Artists,] (New York School Press, 2000.) ISBN 0-9677994-0-6 and American Abstract Expressionism of the 1950s An Illustrated Survey,] (New York School Press, 2003.) ISBN 0-9677994-1-4. I don't feel comfortable editing much this weekend though. Perhaps you might work on that article a little, I don't think it should be deleted. Thanks - Modernist 00:09, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your fine work. I've been wondering for years about - how anybody could actually be named L. Alcopley, now it makes sense - Alfred L. Copley. Well done. Modernist 20:24, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Steve McQueen[edit]

Information.svg Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Talk:Steve McQueen. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you fail to do so you may be Expelled from Wikipedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 13:31, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Lol. Needless to say, I've never made any edits to Talk:Steve McQueen. I have recently removed, from the other Steve McQueen article, the claim that the artist starred in The Great Escape.--Ethicoaestheticist 13:50, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Wally Hedrick[edit]

Thank you for your interest and contribution to the Wally Hedrick page. It is greatly appreciated.

I am now trying to gather the post-1970's data collected on Wally. Therefore:

If you don't mind, may I ask you one question? You placed a citation tag on a commonly known Bay Area fact: "Catherine Conlin was introduced to Wally Hedrick by a blind-date arranged LG Williams." My question is this, if you would like a citation, how would I go about doing that if it is common knowledge, but as yet not officially documented?

Thank you for your assistance! --Art4em 02:16, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Question regarding The Treachery of Images[edit]

Why was this edit performed? I am only curious. Dreamy § 20:26, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. I saw your comment on his page. Dreamy § 20:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)


Hi Ethicoaestheticist Thank you for your advice. If you have the time please read my Salmon1 as well as my two replies to Tyrenius's E-mails and the reply to Anastrophe, the person that I cannot track. Wikipedia is a tough place because very few people (if at all) keep to some personal reliability. I made an early mistake and used my name instead of an assumed one. I am a good sport and I enjoy proving to myself that as long as I make a conscientious effort to be reliable the truth will always be on my side and I will be protected. I believe that the good always wins and the bad ultimately loses. I do the fight of life in my way. I believe in service in order to give thanks for my fortune. It is OK that people like me can be attacked in the most unimaginable way. Everything is learning and I love to learn. I will test your advice for watchlist and if you allow me I will report on it. Thank you for your caring words. Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 23:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC))

I shall follow your advice and pay attention what happens to my User talk:page but ultimately I am with Wikipedia in order to do a service for people who cannot afford to find free reliable material for they research projects. I just finished Anne Ryan. I wonder what you think of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Salmon1 (talkcontribs) 23:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
I just looked at your talk page and I saw that you got some advice from "Modernist." I would like to add that Alcopley was not included in the book American Abstract Expressionism of the 1950s An Illustrated Survey, (New York School Press, 2003.) ISBN 0-9677994-1-4.

The article is short but very informative and I would like to congretulate you for it. Importance is very relative. Style is timely but art is timeless. Best regards, Sincerely Yours, (Salmon1 00:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC))


Thanks for the reply to User:Salmon1. I'd read her question but hadn't had the time to really focus on it. Your answer was pretty much what I (hopefully) would have said. This also might be my first time on your talk page too...I may need to check the history however. Cheers. freshacconcispeaktome 00:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Turner winners ref section[edit]

Ta! I didn't spot that... Tyrenius (talk) 23:15, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Max Kahn[edit]

Hi. While I appreciate the effort you have put into referencing the article, what I really need to see is references that cite the parts of the article that make him notable. The part that would make him notable is his exhibits in the major art museums. If you could source those facts, then I would be happy to accept the individual as notable. Cheers, CP 03:44, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Sources for museum collections added, most notable being the National Gallery of Canada.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:26, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Wow, one would have been good enough, but nice job!
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Cheers, CP 01:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my user page. And for your good work here in general. Cheers, JNW (talk) 02:03, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Hello Ethicoaestheticist, I have granted rollback rights to your account. The reason for this is that, after a review of some of your contributions, I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended use of reverting vandalism: I do not believe you will abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck. Tyrenius (talk) 20:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Adriano Bulla[edit]

Hello, I find it at least curious that you want to delete the article on this poet on the basis of the fact that 'you do not know him'. I do not find it acceptable also that youb discredit the sources (The Guardian, Greatworks and UK Poetry Live) online, especially as one is a record of a prestigious UK newspaper, the second is a famous poettry website. It is also plainly NOT TRUE that Bulla has published 'a couple of articles', while everybody can find his poetry on sale all over the world and in famous bookshops like Blackwell.—Preceding unsigned comment added by TonyBrit (TonyBritcontribs) 11:30, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adriano Bulla for my reasons for nominating the article. Please contribute to the discussion there. Thanks,--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 18:08, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I thought I should draw your attention to Flicker poem and Poetic echo. Tyrenius (talk) 04:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Cuban artists[edit]

Hello, Ethicoaestheticist ... your cleanups to articles listed in Category:Cuban contemporary artists are commendable, but what these articles really need is reliable sources to verify meeting the WP:BIO criteria ... please see Category talk:Cuban contemporary artists#Continuing deletions, and perhaps you would like to add your name to the list of editors on this fledgling project ... Happy Editing! — (talk · contribs) 03:22, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"Cuban artists" checklist[edit]

OK, none of these editors

have contributed to this "Cuban artists" checklist (although there have been limited dialogs on some talk pages) ... some of them either initiated or declined PRODs, and I have asked them politely to record their actions on the checklist (like renaming/merging articles) … I mean, declining a seconded PROD without even an edit summary? What's up with that?

Well, I'm sick of playing Sisyphus and cleaning up after them, so I have deleted these articles from my watchlist, and Some Other Editor can maintain/update it … or not.

In any event, it is time for me to MOVE ON. :-)

Happy Editing! — (talk · contribs) 03:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


Hello, Ethicoaestheticist ... please see this talk page and tell me what you think of my newly created Template:Oldprodfull ... would you use it, or update it if you encountered it?

Also, what are your thoughts on my proposed WP:FLAG-BIO protocol?

Happy Editing! — (talk · contribs) 14:49, 11 February 2008 (UTC)


Thanks my friend for the encouraging welcome message in my Talk page. Contemplating21 (talk) 22:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)


Patrolling the Surrealism article for rubbish and nonsense, I came across a link for this article. I find its existence troubling, as, it seems, do you. As best as I can tell from the "references" provided therein, there has been no coverage of this "artistic movement" in any reliable third-party art magazines---I have never heard of any of those listed in the article. I am also troubled by the fact that the article has been edited by at least one person---Alan King---involved in Massurrealism, and perhaps more than one, considering the number of anonymous users who have made edits. It is interesting and astonishing, and perhaps quite telling, that the article has existed for three years and yet is still in a very sorry state. Do you have any suggestions as to the manner with which we should approach this---an AfD, perhaps? ---RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 04:28, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Massurrealism[edit]

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Massurrealism, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Massurrealism. Thank you.-RepublicanJacobiteThe'FortyFive' 19:23, 4 March 2008 (UTC)[edit]

Please either improve this article, remove the 'notablity' notice that you added to it or else, delete it immediately. The artist in question did not request or intentionally cause this article to be created. Although the artist does not, in principle, object to the existence of the entry, he does consider that, due to the high profile of wikipedia entries, its current form is detrimental to his professional reputation. X7342 (talk) 08:29, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I've added this comment to Talk:Kimathi Donkor.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 11:54, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

It could go either way...[edit]

Your edit on Goudji wasn't vandalism, but I personally thought it was better before... you can change it back though, for you probably know more about the topic than I do. Sorry. Ehccheehcche (talk) 14:44, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Great! sorry for the inconvenience and tell me if I can help. Ehccheehcche (talk) 14:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the info[edit]

Thanks for the tip about Art news on here. I'd like to add to those articles. Once I wrap up with the Brian Sherwin bio I want to do bios for other art critics, writers, and interviewers. I'd also like to do some articles on Art Chicago, The Bridge Art Fair, and other art fairs of note. If you are interested I will let you know when I start them. (Roodhouse1 (talk) 20:17, 11 May 2008 (UTC))

Speedy deletion of Colter Jacobsen[edit]

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A tag has been placed on Colter Jacobsen requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not indicate the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. ninety:one 12:47, 24 May 2008 (UTC)


Hi Ethico, I sent the ip a warning:[3] about WP:3RR and NPA and suggested the ip start a separate article about the Sherman film, I noticed that you said the same. I'd appreciate it you'd keep on eye on the article, I am as well. Thanks Modernist (talk) 16:30, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

you may want to chime in at[edit]

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#"Unrealiable prodders". --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 16:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. It looks like things have been sorted out now.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)


I noticed on the Post Modernism discussion page, that you edited out the "Everything has been done already", I can't find any context of the original Allison Hetter, who was responsible but its made its rounds. Any clue as to where its from? Oregoniansdoitintherain (talk) 07:26, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I think you're referring to the Postmodern art article. I suggested the quote should be cut on 20 February 2007, when the article looked like this: [4]. It was actually cut by User:Stirling Newberry as part of a major overhaul of the article: [5]. Largely as a result of Newberry's intervention, the article is in much better shape now. Hetter's quote can still be found on the internet, and in all probability comes from the old version of the Wiki article itself, generated by mirror sites.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 18:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

RTFM pointers for Flag templates[edit]

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Hello, Ethicoaestheticist. You have new messages at's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. (talk · contribs) 23:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Mike Libby[edit]

Thanks for adding the references. I've added a few internal links myself to try to improve the orphan status. Amhantar (talk) 11:42, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm embarrassed to say that I prodded the article. User:Phil Bridger deserves the thanks for adding the refs and saving it from deletion.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 12:48, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Adamo Macri[edit]

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An article that you have been involved in editing, Adamo Macri, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adamo Macri. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Hoary (talk) 13:44, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Los Angeles art[edit]

Thank you for your compliment and contributions! Please add whatever you see fit to the category. I tried to keep it broad in order to fit many different types of things relating to the Los Angeles art world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamstamp (talkcontribs) 21:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


Hi Ethico - you might want to know about this ongoing thread - especially in regards to Michal Heiman [6]

see part 3 in particular. Modernist (talk) 16:47, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I could see that something was going on so it's reassuring that people have been trying to get to the bottom of it. I've added some of the art-related articles to my watchlist.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 17:33, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Bahram Alivandi[edit]

Dear Ethicoaestheticist, You recently added a notability tag to the article that I created about the Iranian contemporary artist Bahram Alivandi. Since Mr. Alivandi is a contemporary artist, and not highly commercially successful (i.e. his work does not command high prices), he has not been published extensively, as is the case with most contemporary artists who have not yet become as famous as others. However, Mr. Alivandi is a genuine - and active - artist: he attended recognised art schools in Tehran, Iran, and has exhibited extensively in Europe, and continues to do so. I have information that his work is about to be included in future sales of Iranian contemporary art at Sotheby's and Christie's, auction houses. Since it seems he is about to receive more recognition and fame, since the international market for Arab and Iranian contemporary art is currently going from strength to strength, I thought it was of interest to create an article about him and show a selection of his artwork (there are articles about fellow Iranian contemporary artists on Wikipedia already, and none have notability tags). My biographical information comes from French and German language biographies that I translated with the help of one or two friends, and from direct contact with the artist himself. All of the information in the article is factual, and the artist is well known to a whole generation of older Iranian artists. I have tried to write the article using critical skills and academic conventions on how to write about art that I learnt while gaining my degree in Art History from the University of Bristol.

I do not know what I can do to improve the notability of the article, since Mr. Alivandi does not appear in any books or English language magazine/newspaper articles. However, I have many newspaper clippings about the artist from Austrian and Iranian newspapers.

I don't, personally, feel there is any question regarding the notability of the article, and I would be grateful if you would let me know why, specifically, you felt the article's notability is questionable. Please don't interpret my question as hostile, I'm simply not a very experienced Wikipedia user (I have only created three articles thusfar) and I would appreciate your guidance and assistance with this matter. All best wishes, Mahboubian (talk) 11:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Dear Ethicoaestheticist,
Thanks for your advice. I have created a bibliography section - with information on articles and exhibition catalogs - and a section for prizes, to make the article more notable.
Regarding the links you brought to my attention: one of the guidelines for 'Creative Professionals' at WP:CREATIVE requires that: "The person is regarded as an important their peers or successors", and that is certainly the case with Alivandi. He was one of Iran's leading modernist painters before the Iranian Revolution of 1978-9, because of which he was forced to leave the country (since the Islamic government is opposed to free artistic expression). Famous Iranian contemporary artists all know and regard Alivandi, and so I believe he meets the notability guidelines for Creative Professionals at WP:CREATIVE. Moreover, the introduction to that whole section on Notability states that a person ought to be: "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded", and that "Notable in the sense of being "famous", or "popular" secondary." While Alivandi is not "famous" he is "significant" because he was one of Iran's leading modernist painters during the 60s and 70s and was an "official" painter of the nation (he held a government-appointed position), and taught/influenced a host of famous contemporary Iranian painters. Furthermore, he is "interesting" to anyone interested in contemporary and/or Iranian art. Therefore he deserves "to be recorded" in order to preserve his name and his position in Iranian art before the Revolution, which has caused his reputation to become less known.
With your permission, I would now like to remove the notability tag that you placed on the article, and I will endeavour to continue adding information to the article to make it more notable (I need to meet once more with my German-speaking friends for help with translating the articles I have). Best wishes, Mahboubian (talk) 13:24, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
You don't need my permission. I added the notability tag to indicate concerns with the article. These concerns have now been addressed and it's looking much better now. A polite exchange of views, an improved article, WP as it ought to be!--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi Ethicoaestheticist.

You've linked to WP:RESUME in an AFD. There's a discussion about that essay going on at Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia is not the place to post your résumé#Tone - you might want to join in. --HughCharlesParker (talk - contribs) 19:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Esao Andrews[edit]

What would help this article? Clearly Esao has prodigious talent. Also, I have to ask why visual arts are not a category included in the Notability Guidelines. Thanks in advance. BingoDingo (talk) 15:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

The notability guidelines do include visual arts. See WP:CREATIVE, a subsection of the notability criteria for biographies. If Andrews doesn't meet the specific criteria for visual artists (works in museum collections, major awards etc.), notability can also be established through significant coverage in reliable third-party sources. I hope that helps.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:38, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
His works have been featured at Jonathan LeVine Gallery, Chelsea Art Galleries, BoingBoing, featured artist, Dorothy Circus Gallery, Rome, Italy, and a featured Artist at This from a ten minute Google search. Please note that is considered a "one stop source" for contemporary surrealists. BingoDingo (talk) 16:46, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
I've added the above comments to the article talk page, where they really belong.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 20:47, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
Please check the discussion page for Talk:Esao_Andrews. BingoDingo (talk) 23:01, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Again, please check the discussion page for Talk:Esao_Andrews. Thank you. BingoDingo (talk) 21:51, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
Don't worry. It's on my watchlist. I'll have a look.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

John Yates (artist)[edit]

Hey there, can you explain why you removed the category of Contemporary artists from this article? Did John die? Murderbike (talk) 23:21, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

hmm. can you explain the difference? Murderbike (talk) 23:36, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Graphic designers design graphics (eg for album covers) artists make art (eg for art galleries). Is that enough? Seriously though, if you want to put the category back, go ahead.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 23:43, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Please help me[edit]

Hello Ethicoaestheticist, Can you please help me in improving the article: Shaikh Rashid bin Khalifa al Khalifa, painting for himself, by himself, for himself? Please let me know specifically where my mistakes are so I can improve it. I did not mean for it to be an advertising page. I believe that this article about his book is very important because he is one of the two established artists in Bahrain and the text in the article is just explaining his works. I would really appreciate your expert opinion and guidance. I am sorry I am new to all of these. Many thanks --Tokistar (talk) 23:54, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi Ethicoaestheticist, I appreciate your help and I will do my best to comply. Kind regards --Tokistar (talk) 13:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


Hi Ethico, I noticed your recent edit on Postmodern art...(I agree we aren't in a postmodern era anymore) I had a conversation a few weeks ago with a graduate student who asked me to characterize these times or this era and I said.."well I guess everything still goes and its still a pluralistic time."..the student agreed...what are your thoughts?..Modernist (talk) 23:19, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

You have been nominated for membership of the Established Editors Association[edit]

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Improvement of 2 articles[edit]

Hello Ethicoaestheticist. Could you please take a look. I improved 2 articles Franz West and Christiaan Tonnis. Can the notability tags be removed, or is further improvement to do? Thank you! Best wishes, Blaise Mann (talk) 14:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help ! Best wishes, Blaise Mann (talk) 18:04, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination)[edit]

Hi, Ethicoaestheticist. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (2nd nomination), you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Richard Tylman (4th nomination). Cunard (talk) 02:38, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Kitsch non-controversy[edit]

Your latest comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kitsch controversy in Sarasota, Florida looks most amicable ... but is cryptic. Could you perhaps elaborate on it there? -- Hoary (talk) 00:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

You said "Keep and move to Unconditional surrender (sculpture)". Given that there's virtually no evidence for any controversy in Sarasota, that seems an improvement. Now that the article has been "kept", could you care to go ahead and do it? (I fear that after my nomination for deletion and the bizarre little non-conversation near the foot of the talk page of the oddly terse closing administrator, my own renaming and stripping of what's peripheral and/or hearsay might be labeled vandalism or sour grapes or something.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
I see you're already hard at work. Well done! When you seem to have stopped (or paused), I may make some further changes. -- Hoary (talk) 10:43, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Well well, "Unconditional Surrender (statue)" too. -- Hoary (talk) 12:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for your dogged determination post-AfD. By which I mean, following it up with the closing admin and reminding me to improve a poor article that I helped to save.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 19:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
"Real-life" commitments unfortunately undog me. Given more time, effort and dog, I'd make an issue out of the closing admin's laziness. I see no sign that he read or has any interest in what was said in the AfD, or that he is willing either to think for himself or (perhaps because he is suddenly busy) to pass on this responsibility to somebody who will do so. But Tyrenius has done a good job. -- Hoary (talk) 00:06, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


Aestheticist, I wonder whether the possibly ethical matters I've raised here might interest you. -- Hoary (talk) 01:07, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Something to think about: discussion on your Art & Language page[edit]

I would like to wade in with an opinion on this confusion, even if it is two years too late. The entire article reads like a discussion of Australian cricket in the thirties which is desperate to ignore Donald Bradman; it's like a description of quantum mechanics acknowledging Enrico Fermi as important as Paul Dirac. I'm not comparing Art Language's contribution to that of quantum mechanics or cricket. Nor am I comparing Michael Baldwin, Mel Ramsden and Charles Harrison to Paul Dirac. Rather (if this isn't too big a word for you) it was a metaphor, serving to highlight the absurd skew in the article. The thinly veiled - and moderately juvenile - attempts to radicalize and politicize the ex-members reeks of a desperate need to make them sound more important than they really are. I'm sorry for whoever you are, but please stop editing this article, and find a more constructive way to make yourself feel important, and please contain your slightly priapic relationship with Jerry Saltz's crtiticism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blanchot (talkcontribs) 11:46, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

I think there's a misunderstanding about how WP works here. The Art & Language article isn't my page. I've contributed to it, as have several others. A couple of anonymous IP addresses have edited the article, and have posted comments on the talk page suggesting that there's some kind of attempt to exclude specific artists. I genuinely don't understand this. Both (Michael Baldwin and Mel Ramsden) are referred to in the article. Sometimes editors that work on only one article assume that other editors have a single focus as well, and see conspiracy where none exists. Personally, I think that Art & Language is hugely significant, as are Baldwin and Ramsden, but I added Jerry Saltz's criticism because it's a legitimate source. That's because Art & Language is best served by having a well-sourced WP article. Like User:Syrthiss on the talkpage, I encourage Blanchot to be bold, but also to state sources.--Ethicoaestheticist (talk) 23:18, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

We're recruiting art lovers![edit]

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Contemporary art[edit]

Hi Ethicoaestheticist. i would like to revitalize the wikiproject contemporary art. I added some resources and edited a bit the project pages. I think it would be useful to have a coordinated space for contemporary art. it is still needing quite a lot of effort to improve that Wikipedia offers in this field. hope you like the idea and thanks.--Iopensa (talk) 10:23, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Ethicoaestheticist for your feedback. Actually the statement on the contemporary art project page is not mine; i just moved some of the content from the front page in other tabs. I think your remarks are right and it is a very good hint to start on a single issue. let's see. for the moment i probably simply regret that there is still little content related to contemporary art on Wikipedia and it would be useful for everybody to improve it. I guess projects are sometimes a way to supplicate for help because you feel there is too much work. starting from a single issue is also here the way to go. best, --Iopensa (talk) 17:11, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

You're invited to join WikiProject Women artists![edit]

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SarahStierch (talk) 18:32, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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