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Romanian phonology[edit]

Regarding this edit, I was wondering if you could tell me what you thought was unencyclopedic and what was almost ridiculous.

The fact that such information does not appear in the phonology articles of other languages doesn't mean this one is wrong; it could also mean all others are incomplete. This is a question of information being relevant in a specific context, and I think the section we are talking about is entirely relevant in that article.

I'm also trying to solve the problem of the lack of references, so I added a few. If there are particular statements that you feel are in more urgent need for sourcing, please let me know, although it could take some time before I find sources. — AdiJapan 17:04, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear Adijapan,
Well, in my view, this kind of information (the "Other consonants" section) is sort of trivial. For example, we could also add whistless, or farts made with one's mouth. Besides, almost all these noises (because that's what they are) are not language-specific, they are done everywhere.
Why don't you try to add this kind of information on the English phonology article and see what happens?
Apart from this, it's highly unlikely that anybody can find references to this.
If you think that's not trivial, why don't you create a separate article? There's already one called Cross-linguistic onomatopoeias.

Regards, --Fauban (talk) 17:58, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

In fact, no, all languages are different in the way they use their phoneme inventory (or go beyond it) in interjections. The article Cross-linguistic onomatopoeias that you suggested is the perfect proof of that.
If "farts made with one's mouth" are actual words used in speech, then I don't see a reason not to mention them in a phonology article. Actually all speech sounds are noises.
I don't see why a separate article would be any better than a section. This sort of information is specifically related to the phonology of the language. — AdiJapan 13:57, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry but I think I just can't agree with you. Anyway, don't you think you should first ask the Language Phonologies task force of the Linguistics Project?? I'm sure they'll know what to do.--Fauban 14:08, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Davies[edit]

Hi Fauban, thanks for your addition to the Miles Davies article. My changes are not personal, just made to follow the guidelines. It's fine to re-work and re-add text the has been removed. This tends to be how we wind up re-crafting the article. " "So What" or "Kind of Blue", they were done in that era, the right hour, the right day, and it happened. It's over [...]. What I used to play with Bill Evans, all those different modes, and substitute chords, we had the energy then and we liked it. But I have no feel for it anymore—it's more like warmed-over turkey."<ref>|Interview with Ben Sindran, 1986.</ref>You would need to add more detail to this cite. "According to Davis, the rumor had been spread by his ex-wife Cicely Tyson."<ref>Article published by Miles Davis in 1989.</ref> You need more cite detail for this too. Generally we don't add rumour, even sourced. Please add in the ref material asap. Thanks very much. Span (talk) 18:18, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Dear Span,
Thanks for the explanations, just a couple of things.
  • About the rumors, well, I know this word is kind of cursed here. Maybe it should be reworked. The thing is that according to the newspaper article and the biography (2 reliable sources), at least Miles believed there were rumours. The thing is that an article appeared on 1st Feb. 1989 somewhere, and on 2nd Feb. an "official" article by Miles's Agent was published denying this. I'm removing C. Tyson's refrence.
  • About the interview, well, it's not on Youtube, but it must be true. Miles said that and I think it's important for the article. I'll add a reference naming the magazine where I read the quote.

Sorry for the misunderstandings. Regards --Fauban 18:29, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your additions. Sorry if the process seemed a bit harsh. Your contributions to the article are valuable. I get that the rumour aspect affected Davies and it's all more complex than back street tittle tattle that went nowhere. I think the way it's now framed presents the more academic aspect. Other editors might disagree and take it out - and so it goes. The quote by Davies about looking back on his older work I took out of inset and put as a straight inline quote as it's a bit abstract and needs the context of the paragraph to make most sense. The readers' eye is drawn to quote boxes and insets, as with pictures, and they have to stand alone without explanation. I've tweaked your adds a little. Titles of books, magazines, albums etc are italicised eg A Kind of Blue or Jazz Times. Articles, poems, essays, songs etc are put in inverted commas eg "Over the Rainbow" or "Ode to Autumn". We use full dates eg February 9, 1976 (US style) or 9 February 1976 (everywhere else). I hope all that makes sense. Best wishes and happy editing. Span (talk) 19:12, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much!!!--Fauban 09:05, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi, thanks for your additions to Bill Evans. We don't use cquote insets any more as they make the page harder to read. Could you tweak them so they are regularised sentences and it's clear who is commenting? Also, just to note, WP tends to favour secondary sources, rather than primary, first hand accounts such as autobiographies. It's ok to include them sometimes but if you want to take an article to GA level editors might quibble as first hand accounts are not taken to be as reliably objective. When I first starting editing here, inspired by autobiographies, I added a great many direct quotes and then spent months going back and rephrasing them. WP:QUOTEFARM has more details. Most WP editing is based on paraphrasing what we have read. I hope this makes sense. Best wishes and happy editing. Span (talk) 14:21, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

In response to your feedback[edit]

What has always served me well for that is the cheatsheet.

Lectonar (talk) 13:12, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

 

Thanks!!--Fauban 14:25, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Bill Evans[edit]

Hi, thanks for your work on Bill Evans. I see you have cut out a great deal of the article. No explanation is given for the cutting, especially concerning Miles Davies, Evans' son and the death section. Please explain and do always use edit summaries. Thanks Span (talk) 12:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh sorry. I forgot. I'm removing some direct quotations I had added myself (you told me to do so) and placing some prose explanations instead. Also I'm removing unnecessary adjectives and explanations that should be found in other places (I'm adding a link to Evan Evans, if somebody wants to know more about him, then check his article). Finally, I've done some rewording, without changing the content itself.--Fauban 12:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
OK, just checking. The Thanks for all the time you're giving to the article. Best wishes Span (talk) 12:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Ooo I just noticed you've been adding to the Bill Evans article. I'm a massive fan of his playing. Would be good to get up to GA status? I started the Evan Evans article BTW. I'm afraid though your fair use photos will get deleted eventually as they are not free images. And those commons images dated 1936 and 1960 you claim were published in the US before 1923 in the license when he wasn't even born!♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:06, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm. It's a pity about the photos. The thing is that I had specified the pre-1989 copyright option... I could change that. All the photos were taken prior to that date, and most of them are unlikely to have living copyright holders. I mean, if we can't put any photo because everything is post-1923, then what?? Then we could only put the 1978 photo and my 1969 photo. Regards--Fauban 08:25, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is terribly uptight about images. Even on very old images where it is highly unlikely that anybody is going to care they won't permit them. I agree and think photographs can significantly improve the quality but that's the way it is.. I'd say though that we'd need to get hold of a copy of the biography which I believe has recently been written by partner at the time of his death.♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, just a couple of things:

--Fauban 10:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I've started a peer review process--Fauban 12:40, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi Fauban, your current ref 25 isn't working. Re the review, just a few brief, initial thoughts: I reckon the article is doing well. It needs a whack more referencing as there are large uncited parts and it needs a reception section. With these it wouldn't be far off a GA review. The Youtube cite might get in the way as copyright with the interview is unclear. The prose is good. Well done on all the work. Span (talk) 12:52, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Ps, we try not to use ellipsis at all. They don't work in quote boxes. I Recommend either reducing the quote length or using all of it. Span (talk) 13:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hmmmmm... I find this very difficult. I mean, if I put the whole quote, its size could triplicate... Sometimes it's from two different chapters of a book, or I got the quote already with the ellipsis. And reducing the length could make them loose sense... What's wrong with them?? I mean, they are covered in the Manual of Style Wikipedia:ELLIPSIS#Ellipses. --Fauban 13:21, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Hey, great work! I am a big fan of Evans, so I would like to help bringing this to GA status. I could translate the German featured article, as it has some interesting stuff about his style and composition. Regards.--GoPTCN 18:14, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
    • @GoP: Wunderbar!!--Fauban 08:25, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
[Re ellipsis]. Maybe GOP has an angle on it. I am mostly thinking of going for GA. Ellipses are tricky. They get in the way of readability and the quotes are somewhat manipulated. There is a sense of editorialising about them. It's not a big deal, just not something to do lots of, style-wise. Span (talk) 19:46, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
@Span: Hi, I have removed all the ellipsis (except those in the 1st quote) and substituted them with double line breaks; thus, I'm simply putting two different quotes in a single box. But I feel I can't do the same with the first. The original quote is at least 30% longer, but he's just repeating himself. Why don't we put the complete quote on the references or add a link to Wikiquote? And then maybe simply remove the ellipsis.--Fauban 08:23, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I've been bold and made some changes to the quotes that I think make the page stronger. See what you think. Span (talk) 12:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Fantastic!--Fauban 13:03, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
    • @GoP: I've started to pick some info from the German Wikipedia, but my German is very bad and translators are still very defficient... But well, I've added the reference shortcut to the main source of the article. It's the Petrik book. To add a ref, just add <ref name="petrik"/>. Regards--Fauban 13:50, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, just a note that if you are going for a GA for Bill Evans, fansites are not regarded RS. It'd be worth finding another source. Best wishes Span (talk) 11:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

You're right. I had this on mind, but well, this interview is material we're not going to found anywhere else... Well, in fact the new material was the exact city in California or so... I'm sure Pettinger has the same... But I don't have the full book. Thank you--Fauban 13:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Nice work so far. However, can you please add the exact page numbers in note form and just list the book at the bottom. See the style of William Burges. I'll ask Gerda if she can help translate the German article gradually so we might have some more material to work with. But keep up the good work. I can build on what you're doing. Its an article i'd love to get to FA eventually but GA for now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:30, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I was thinking so. However, some parts are extracts or summaries from third parties, but I'll try to put all the numbers from the Google Books preview. Also, tell Gerda that GreatOrangePumpkin is also willing to help with the translation. I've also made a glance at the German article myself, and I could tell them what I think are the first points to consider. Regards.--Fauban 19:00, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd advise using the sfn type notes. Click edit on Peter Sellers for what I mean. See refs 8-9 of the article now. If possible please disperse all of the bunches sources to those, preferably just citing one page for each fact. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok!--Fauban 08:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Jaaklo seems unhappy with your sourcing. Any thoughts? Span (talk) 20:42, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, I've made some digging. First of all, Jaaklo and Robrijn seem to work in group, maybe they're the same person. The first nickname stands for Jaap van der Klomp (who published a book with gravestone photos), the second is Rob Rijneke (the owner of the website "Time Remebrered").

I had never considered this site since it seems to have lots of NPOV, etc. My main sources have been, in that order: The JazzTimes article (45% from Pettinger), the AllMusic summary of Pettinger, the AllMusic bio (70% from Pettinger), Petrik (from German Wiki), and the Google Books preview of Pettinger. Some images were also taken from a blog found in Google Images (and in 2D objects, the photographer/scanner doesn't own the material, if not, projects such as the IMSLP wouldn't exist). Since most of the info out there about Evans is from Pettinger, and "Time Remembered" may see itself as the "autoritative" site for this issue, the owner is trying everything to advertise himself (his website has +/- covert advertisements about books, scores...) by claiming ownership of information they do not own. Besides, they don't want to talk. Thanks--Fauban 08:50, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Licensing is an area I know very little about - it's pretty tightly regulated here. It's probably worth erring on the side of caution, if in doubt. I'm sure Dr Blofeld knows a great deal more about such things. WP tend to come down pretty hard on copyright infringement but there are ways of claiming fair use and things. It's always worth assuming good faith of other editors, also. Tussles are nearly always pointless and a waste of everyone's energy and good will. The Dutch editors look new to Wikipedia also, so are probably figuring out how it all works. All the best for your weekend. Span (talk) 12:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
I know I should assume good faith, but it's difficult. First, because they want to put their web name everywhere, and second, because they act as if they possessed the photos and info in that site, and they do not. I know they picked the images from the internet like me, because I found the original scannings, and the pictures that "Time Remembered" has are trimmed and photoshopped. The Evans state did not give them the sheets personally. Clearly, this site has no respect to copyrights (they're posting whole scores). They simply don't want us to have a better source knowledge about Bill Evans than them.--Fauban 15:48, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
Sure. These questions often come up. There is a due process for sorting it out. I know it can be hard to keep good faith but personal slanging matches rarely seem to help. Best to keep it super professional. There's a huge community of editors here to help and a gargantuan mass of guidelines. It's amazing how fast quarrels can spiral out of control. Go gently. Best wishes Span (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I am the author of the website "Time Remembered". I'm for many years a good friend of the Evans family and the Evans Estate, and have almost daily contact with Nenette Zazzara. I got a large amount of original material and information from her for my website, provided that it is not copied and distributed. In cooperation with the Evans family, I recently released a new double album of the Bill Evans trio "Momentum". Also with Laurie Verchomin I have a close contact, and got copyrighted material from her for my site. The same applies to information from my friends Win Hinkle (Letters From Evans), Brian Hennessey (Bill Evans Memorial Library), Jan Stevens (The Bill Evans Webpages), Prof. Ron Nethercutt (Bill Evans archive, Southeastern Louisiana University), Bill Zavatsky, poet and friend of Bill Evans, Jack Reilly, author of the two books The Harmony of Bill Evans volume 1 and 2. In your Wiki contributions is inside information that only could be coming from my site, which I have obtained from above mentioned people. The same goes for the copyrighted photo of the gravestone of Bill Evans, that a friend of mine made ​​for his book "Jazz Lives" together with Scott Yanow. As you suggested I need no way advertising for my website. But maybe I can perhaps help you in the future. Best Robrijn (talk) 16:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'm glad you're willing to participate in the project, your help is very welcome!
About the information you claim to come from your website, I personally don't know. The article was kind of "hibernatig" when I started work on it, so most people don't know how the original text was made. Also, there are other websites (like AllAbotJazz and AllMusic) that feature much information, and I took some from them. Nobody seems to have taken stuff from your site at least recently.
Anyway, you must be aware that Wikipedia has a set of rules that must be followed, especially for referencing (see WP:REF). For example, except a few cases, we should only use a selection printed of information, like books, newspapers and magazines, i.e. what's called reliable sources (see WP:RS, WP:NOR). Things people might have heard are not elegible of being included as sources unless published by a RS. Also, in this article, references must be inputted according to the footnote format, not in parenthesis (see WP:CITEFOOT). Another point is that the language used must be encyclopedic and objective, so words like "beautiful" or "legendary" are unacceptable unless quoting a RS (see WP:PEA, WP:NPOV). Finally, using two accounts simultaneously is not generally recommended, as per WP:SOCK. Hope this helps. Bye!--Fauban 18:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

I mean this is a good way but you're worryingly dense in regards to copyright. You can't just snap a screenshot of a copyrighted work and claim ownership in the same way you can't claim photos taken in the 60s to be pre 1923. I quite agree that the images are better, and I never liked the "free" image we have of him in the infobox, looked little like him, but copyright is copyright all the same.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:44, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I understand. I just wanted to put some images to help add good content in the article... But all these rules make it very very difficult. Mmmm... I'll try to come up with something better.--Fauban 12:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
As noted above, there are very tight rules about images and ownership. That's why you see image deletion notices on so many people's talk pages and why many articles, including biographies, have no images at all. Wikipedia have to be very careful of their legal situation and we have to support the Foundation in that. Well written, well referenced text is the meat of an article; images, if we can get them, are the icing. Best wishes Span (talk) 12:40, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Where can I find on Internet and on wich page of the book of Laurie Verchomin is mentioned that Elaine surname is Horowitz? Robrijn (talk) 12:23, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know, the surname was aready there. If I'm not mistaken, the reference on Verchomin's book is related to the calculation of the year (very approx: 1973-12). BTW Pettinger calls her "Ellaine", but seems to be a misspelling. Bye!--Fauban 12:53, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

The surname is not on internet nor in the Verchomin book, its on my website and I got the surname from a friend of her! Bye! Robrijn (talk) 19:31, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

ok--Fauban 09:42, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

You undid my edit because it "removed sourced content", but if you read the source, it says the opposite of what the article claims. The line as it has returned to says, 'Miles Davis, who was always dismissing his earlier output,[67] made no exception with his work with Bill Evans in Kind of Blue, calling it "warmed-over turkey".[68]' The source article actually says: 'Evans influenced Davis’ outlook and guided his taste, introducing him to a host of modern classical composers. He then played catalyst to—and co-composer of much of the material on—the modal-jazz masterpiece Kind of Blue. “I planned that album around the piano playing of Bill Evans,” Davis admitted in 1989 ... “’So What’ or Kind of Blue, they were done in that era, the right hour, the right day, and it happened. It’s over,” Davis told Ben Sidran in 1986. He further declared, “What I used to play with Bill Evans, all those different modes, and substitute chords, we had the energy then and we liked it. But I have no feel for it anymore—it’s more like warmed-over turkey.”' Stratman07 (talk) 11:32, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

What is a "barral" in Catalan?[edit]

I'm trying to translate the phrase wikt:ploure a bots i barrals but I have no idea what a barral is, and I can't find anything about it either. Can you help please? CodeCat (talk) 00:45, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Gralla (municipality)[edit]

Hi,

I'm just wondering why you duplicated that article, since Gralla is not a disambiguation page. Travelbird (talk) 16:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey, you just didn't let me finish. Now it's done. Regards.--Fauban 16:33, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Note that if you change a page, you should do that on the main page, not on the talk page. Otherwise it won't work. Travelbird (talk) 16:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
I know, it was a mistake.--Fauban 16:35, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Also note that - strictly speaking - you should use WP:Page move for these kinds of edits, as otherwise there are potential problems with copyright due to the attribution component of the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License. If you move a page it's also obvious that you aren't simply duplicating a page. Travelbird (talk) 16:38, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
OK, thanks for your advice!--Fauban 16:42, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Vowel reduction image in Catalan[edit]

Loved your work. I would really like to do similar things, but I am a complete n00b at making and uploading images, and it is quite difficult to learn this kind of thing for me (maybe because of the similarity of my behavior with ADD or Asperger's).

May I ask if you can do one for Portuguese? It will be a bit more complex.

  • Specifically, European Portuguese
  • /ä/[ə̞]
  • /ɐ̃/[ə̃]
  • /e/, /ɛ/[ʊ̜, i]
  • /o/, /ɔ/[u].
  • Southern/western Brazilian Portuguese
  • /ä/[ɐ ~ ɜ ~ ə]
  • /ɜ̃/[ə̃]
  • /e/, /ɛ/[e ~ e̞][ɪ]
  • /o/, /ɔ/[o ~ o̞][ʊ].
  • Eastern/northern Brazilian Portuguese
  • /ä/[ɐ ~ ɜ ~ ə]
  • /ɜ̃/[ə̃]
  • /e/, /ɛ/[e̞ ~ ɛ][i]
  • /ẽ/[ĩ]
  • /o/, /ɔ/[o̞ ~ ɔ][u]
  • /õ/[ũ].

The tildes separating sounds in the same brackets indicate that a different-colored oblate figure encompassing a bigger part of the vowel chart would be more helpful, as it is an absence of phonemic distinction in the unstressed environment but different from actual vowel reduction, that Brazilian Portuguese applies to its unstressed mid vowels in an unpredictable way.

As you can imagine, it is source of great confusion for those reading about the language's phonology, or learning Portuguese and its different dialects in general, so a work in the image of that of yours would be a real improvement. Thanks, and Merry Christmas. 177.40.144.160 (talk) 19:31, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting. However, I no longer have Photoshop, so I won't be able to do that util I get it again. Anyway, I can't do a diagram with what you've given me. I can't represent the groups of vowels separated with tildes, I only can put one of them. Catalan has also may realizations of the phonemes I represented (e.g. /ə/ is [ə] in most Central Catalan, but it is [ɐ] in Barcelona, and [a] in l'Alguer). What the diagrams I made show, are vawel mergers, not their exact realization.
Also, I don't understand what the double shifts (X → Y → Z) mean. Are there "double" conditions? I mean, in Catalan, the only condition of vowel reduction is stress. Are there more conditions in Portuguese?
Finally, I think you should only mention the main dialects (EP vz. BrP), as I did in Catalan. Regards--Fauban 12:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
So someone'd rather redraw it with MS Paint or similars.
The phonetic transcription of Brazilian Portuguese here in Wikipedia is based on that of European Portuguese. We don't have a very clear standard in phonetic transcription, and Brazilians aren't used at all to phonetic alphabets or whatever re-spelling system you can imagine. Portuguese teachers in our schools don't even regard the sounds /w/ and /j/ as consonants, as to us they're just allophones of their respective vowels (this is a frequent argument because w and y were re-added to our alphabet just in 2009-2012, and before it many people believed at least one of them were vowels). We have seven oral vowel and five nasal vowel phonemes in stressed environment, but it goes really complicated with the unstressed one.
Yes, we have stress as a condition for vowel reduction, but it is not always applied for pre-stress mid vowels in Brazilian Portuguese and similar Portuguese dialects in most instances (just as in Astur-Leonese and pre-modern Galician, I believe), and in some instances in others as well. I don't know exactly why. We don't have a [e-ɛ] and [o-ɔ] contrast in unstressed environment, and prestigious dialects such as those of Rio de Janeiro, Belo Horizonte, Brasília and Manaus as well a considerable number of speakers in Recife and Porto Alegre have them as mid, that is really the dominant. Transcription of it as /e/, as here in Wikipedia, is pretty absurd as in most mid registers [ɛ] is favored when a speaker for linguistic reasons chooses a possibility other than the mid vowel, especially when the following stressed syllable has an open-mid, near-open or open vowel, not taking into consideration that most registers of the Northeast and non-European-influenced rest of the Lusophone world as some in the North use mostly [ɛ] instead of a mid, so [e] is definitely a rare choice (mostly of SP, PR, hinterland SC and RS, MS and the caipira area in general).
The vowel reduction of nasal vowels is also significant. For example, comprimento (length, longitude) and cumprimento (greeting, performance, fulfillment, respect) sound different in São Paulo, but the same in Rio.
Brazilian Portuguese has two main varieties used in media – though all dialects may be regarded as equally valid, the difference of what is standard Portuguese usage for us is mostly of vernacular "deep" Brazilian versus colloquial "lusitanizing" Brazilian versus formal "lusitanizing" Brazilian, not pronunciation (albeit autoritative sources in the past cited the variant of Rio de Janeiro as the most "correct", and it is still regarded as the most "average" dialect despite its largely European-like characteristics such as palatalization of coda /s/, lenition of /d/ to [ð] and more strict vowel reduction) –, that of São Paulo, a southern dialect, and that of Rio de Janeiro, a "northern" dialect (for our purposes). They sound odd to each other despite being at relatively close locations due to different histories of colonization and development; the variant of São Paulo was expanded to much of Brazil thanks to the bandeirantes, and it is very linguistically innovative because of a significant Medieval Galician, Tupi-Guarani and Judaeo-Portuguese input, with its earliest dialect, what we modern Brazilians today call caipira, being a relexification of a creole language, while the variants of Rio de Janeiro, Minas Gerais and Northeastern Brazil, for example, are remarkably similar to archaic central/southern European Portuguese and less archaic Galician. Foreigners sometimes think it is all the same, just as many think the English dialects of Ireland and Scotland, or Australia and New Zealand, are interchangeable, or that "Italian" is spoken the same throughout Italy, but a Brazilian may easily draw a line in the map separating these two main groups if he/she knows a sufficient number of people/accents from different states. BTW, if you want, I can search some Portuguese Wikipedia text(s) that agree with the point of the dialect of São Paulo and its descendants being the most innovative ones.
This suggestion is often neglected and even opposed here, but for people learning true Brazilian pronunciation, this IS a significant difference, even if this knowledge can be easily acquired with traveling or having an intermediate/advanced Portuguese command and watching some Brazilian TV shows with stories set on different geographic locations, Wikipedia is supposed to deal with it. We have coverage of much smaller English phenomena (happy-tensing, for example), and I believe it is somewhat of a question of systemic bias. 177.133.103.76 (talk) 17:58, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

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As announced, the toolbar was redesigned to be simpler, shorter, and to have the ability to have drop-down groups with descriptions. What you see now is the initial configuration and is expected to change in response to feedback from the English Wikipedia and other Wikipedias. The controls to add <u> (underline), <sub> (subscript), and <sup> (superscript), <s> (strikethrough) and <code> (computer code/monospace font) annotations to text are available to all users in the drop-down menu. At the moment, all but the most basic tools have been moved into a single drop-down menu, including the tools for inserting media, references, reference lists, and templates. The current location of all of the items in the toolbar is temporary, and your opinions about the best order are needed! Please offer suggestions at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback/Toolbar.

In an eagerly anticipated upgrade to the reference dialog, newly added references or reference groups no longer need the page to be saved before they can be re-used (bugs 51689 and 52000). The 'Use existing reference' button is now disabled on pages which don't yet have any references (bug 51848). The template parameter filter in the transclusion dialog now searches both parameter name and label (bug 51670).

In response to several requests, there are some new keyboard shortcuts. You can now set the block/paragraph formatting from the keyboard: Ctrl+0 sets a block as a regular paragraph; Ctrl+1 up to Ctrl+6 sets it as a Heading 1 ("Page title") to Heading 6 ("Sub-heading 4"); Ctrl+7 sets it as pre-formatted (bug 33512). Ctrl+2, which creates level 2 section headings, may be the most useful.

Some improvements were made to capitalization for links, so typing in "iPhone" will offer a link to "iPhone" as well as "IPhone" (bug 50452).

Copying and pasting within the same document should work better as of today's update, as should copying from VisualEditor into a third-party application (bug 53364, bug 52271, bug 52460). Work on copying and pasting between VisualEditor instances (for example, between two articles) and retaining formatting when copying from an external source into VisualEditor is progressing.

Major improvements to editing with input method editors (IMEs; mostly used for Indic and East Asian languages) are being deployed today. This is a complex change, so it may produce unexpected errors. On a related point, the names of languages listed in the "languages" (langlinks) panel in the Page settings dialog now display as RTL when appropriate (bug 53503).

Looking ahead: The help/'beta' menu will soon expose the build number next to the "Leave feedback" link, so users can give more specific reports about issues they encounter (bug 53050). This change will make it easier for developers to identify any cacheing issues, once it starts reporting the build number (currently, it says "Version false"). Also, inserting a link, reference or media file will put the cursor after the new content again (bug 53560). Next week’s update will likely improve how dropdowns and other selection menus behave when they do not fit on the screen, with things scrolling so the selected item is always in view.

If you are active at other Wikipedias, the next group of Wikipedias to have VisualEditor offered to all users is being finalized. About two dozen Wikipedias are on the list for Tuesday, September 24 for logged-in users only, and on Monday, September 30 for unregistered editors. You can help with translating the documentation. In several cases, most of the translation is already done, and it only needs to be copied over to the relevant Wikipedia. If you are interested in finding out whether a particular Wikipedia is currently on the list, you can leave a message for me at my talk page.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 21:46, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

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Viquimarató nit digital[edit]

Hello!

Veig que has fet uns quants articles sobre lingüística a la Viquipèdia en anglès. El proper 4 d'octubre organitzem una viquimarató per millorar la cobertura sobre el català tan a la Viquipèdia en català com a altres llengües. T'animes a participar-hi traduint els articles proposats a l'anglès o a altres llengües que dominis?

Salutacions, --Davidpar (talk) 10:41, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Gràcies per convidar-me, pero no crec que pugui venir pas.--Fauban 09:44, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Catalan verbs[edit]

On Wiktionary at wikt:Appendix:Catalan verbs and wikt:Appendix:Catalan irregular verbs, I wrote a description about the different verb classes. If you are planning to update the Wikipedia articles on Catalan verbs, they might be useful to you? CodeCat (talk) 17:33, 28 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh yes! It's really going to be useful. Thanks CodeCat!
P.S: Did you take all this information from a book (so that I can put some ref tags)?--Fauban 08:45, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
No it's written by me. I don't know if references are needed though because they are really just self evident truths if you know Catalan. The language itself is the reference. CodeCat (talk) 12:43, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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Opting in to VisualEditor[edit]

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VisualEditor newsletter on 16 October 2013[edit]

VisualEditor is still being updated every Thursday. As usual, what is now running on the English Wikipedia had a test run at Mediawiki during the previous week. If you haven't done so already, you can turn on VisualEditor by going to your preferences and choosing the item, "Enable VisualEditor. It will be available in the following namespaces: $1".

The reference dialog for all Wikipedias, especially the way it handles citation templates, is being redesigned. Please offer suggestions and opinions at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. (Use your Wikipedia username/password to login there.) You can also drag and drop references (select the reference, then hover over the selected item until your cursor turns into the drag-and-drop tool). This also works for some templates, images, and other page elements (but not yet for text or floated items). References are now editable when they appear inside a media item's caption (bug 50459).

There were a number of miscellaneous fixes made: Firstly, there was a bug that meant that it was impossible to move the cursor using the keyboard away from a selected node (like a reference or template) once it had been selected (bug 54443). Several improvements have been made to scrollable windows, panels, and menus when they don't fit on the screen or when the selected item moves off-screen. Editing in the "slug" at the start of a page no longer shows up a chess pawn character ("♙") in some circumstances (bug 54791). Another bug meant that links with a final punctuation character in them broke extending them in some circumstances (bug 54332). The "page settings" dialog once again allows you to remove categories (bug 54727). There have been some problems with deployment scripts, including one that resulted in VisualEditor being broken for an hour or two at all Wikipedias (bug 54935). Finally, snowmen characters ("☃") no longer appear near newly added references, templates and other nodes (bug 54712).

Looking ahead: Development work right now is on rich copy-and-paste abilities, quicker addition of citation templates in references, setting media items' options (such as being able to put images on the left), switching into wikitext mode, and simplifying the toolbar. A significant amount of work is being done on other languages during this month. If you speak a language other than English, you can help with translating the documentation.

For other questions or suggestions, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting problem reports at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and other ideas at Wikipedia talk:VisualEditor. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:47, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter for November 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some feature changes, major infrastructure improvements to make the system more stable, dependable and extensible, some minor toolbar improvements, and fixing bugs.

A new form parsing library for language characters in Parsoid caused the corruption of pages containing diacritics for about an hour two weeks ago. Relatively few pages at the English Wikipedia were affected, but this created immediate problems at some other Wikipedias, sometimes affecting several dozen pages. The development teams for Parsoid and VisualEditor apologize for the serious disruption and thank the people who reported this emergency at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback and on the public IRC channel, #mediawiki-visualeditor.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Accidental deletion of infoboxes and other items: You now need to press the Delete or ← Backspace key twice to delete a template, reference or image. The first time, the item becomes selected, and the second time, it is removed. The need to press the delete key twice should make it more obvious what you are doing and help avoid accidental removals of infoboxes and similar (bug 55336).
  • Switch from VisualEditor to the wikitext editor: A new feature lets you make a direct, one-way editing interface change, which will preserve your changes without needing to save the page and re-open it in the wikitext editor (bug 50687). It is available in a new menu in the action buttons by the Cancel button (where the "Page Settings" button used to be). Note that this new feature is not currently working in Firefox.
  • Categories and Languages are also now directly available in that menu. The category suggestions drop-down was appearing in the wrong place rather than below its input box, which is now fixed. An incompatibility between VisualEditor and the deployed Parsoid service that prevented editing categories and language links was fixed.
  • File:, Help: and Category: namespaces: VisualEditor was enabled for these namespaces the on all wikis (bug 55968), the Portal: and Viquiprojecte: namespaces on the Catalan Wikipedia (bug 56000), and the Portal: and Book: namespaces on the English Wikipedia (bug 56001).
  • Media item resizing: We improved how files are viewed in a few ways. First, inline media items can now be resized in the same way that has been possible with block ones (like thumbnails) before. When resizing a media item, you can see a live preview of how it will look as you drag it (bug 54298). While you are dragging an image to resize it, we now show a label with the current dimensions (bug 54297). Once you have resized it, we fetch a new, higher resolution image for the media item if necessary (bug 55697). Manual setting of media item sizes in their dialog is nearly complete and should be available next week. If you hold down the Shift key whilst resizing an image, it will now snap to a 10 pixel grid instead of the normal free-hand sizing. The media item resize label now is centered while resizing regardless of which tool you use to resize it.
  • Undo and redo: A number of improvements were made to the transactions system which make undoing and redoing more reliable during real-time collaboration (bug 53224).
  • Save dialogue: The save page was re-written to use the same code as all other dialogs (bug 48566), and in the process fixed a number of issues. The save dialog is re-accessible if it loses focus (bug 50722), or if you review a null edit (bug 53313); its checkboxes for minor edit, watch the page, and flagged revisions options now layout much more cleanly (bug 52175), and the tab order of the buttons is now closer to what users will expect (bug 51918). There was a bug in the save dialog that caused it to crash if there was an error in loading the page from Parsoid, which is now fixed.
  • Links to other articles or pages sometimes sent people to invalid pages. VisualEditor now keeps track of the context in which you loaded the page, which lets us fix up links in document to point to the correct place regardless of what entry point you launched the editor from—so the content of pages loaded through /wiki/Foobar?veaction=edit and /w/index.php?title=Foobar&veaction=edit both now have text links that work if triggered (bug 48915).
  • Toolbar links: A bug that caused the toolbar's menus to get shorter or even blank when scrolled down the page in Firefox is now fixed (bug 55343).
  • Numbered external links: VisualEditor now supports Parsoid's changed representation of numbered external links (bug 53505).
  • Removed empty templates: We also fixed an issue that meant that completely empty templates became impossible to interact with inside VisualEditor, as they didn't show up (bug 55810).
  • Mathematics formulae: If you would like to try the experimental LaTeX mathematics tool in VisualEditor, you will need to opt-in to Beta Features. This is currently available on Meta-wiki, Wikimedia Commons, and Mediawiki.org. It will be available on all other Wikimedia sites on 21 November.
  • Browser testing support: If you are interested in technical details, the browser tests were expanded to cover some basic cursor operations, which uncovered an issue in our testing framework that doesn't work with cursoring in Firefox; the Chrome tests continue to fail due to a bug with the welcome message for that part of the testing framework.
  • Load time: VisualEditor now uses content language when fetching Wikipedia:TemplateData information, so reducing bandwidth use, and users on multi-language or multi-script wikis now get TemplateData hinting for templates as they would expect (bug 50888).
  • Reuse of VisualEditor: Work on spinning out the user experience (UX) framework from VisualEditor into oojs-ui, which lets other teams at Wikimedia (like Flow) and gadget authors re-use VisualEditor UX components, is now complete and is being moved to a shared code repository.
  • Support for private wikis: If you maintain a private wiki at home or at work, VisualEditor now supports editing of private wikis, by forwarding the Cookie: HTTP header to Parsoid ($wgVisualEditorParsoidForwardCookies set to true) (bug 44483). (Most private wikis will also need to install Parsoid and node.js, as VisualEditor requires them.)

Looking ahead:

  • VisualEditor will be released to some of the smaller Wikipedias on 02 December 2013. If you are active at one or more smaller Wikipedias where VisualEditor is not yet generally available, please see the list at VisualEditor/Rollouts.
  • Public office hours on IRC to discuss VisualEditor with Product Manager James Forrester will be held on Monday, 2 December, at 1900 UTC and on Tuesday, 3 December, at 0100 UTC. Bring your questions. Logs will be posted on Meta after each office hour completes.
  • In terms of feature improvements, one of the major infrastructure projects affects how inserting characters works, both using your computer's built-in Unicode input systems and through a planned character inserter tool for VisualEditor. The forthcoming rich copying and pasting feature was extended and greater testing is currently being done. Work continues to support the improved reference dialog to quickly add citations based on local templates.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:12, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter • 19 December 2013[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some toolbar improvements, fixing bugs, and improving support for Indic languages as well as other languages with complex characters. The current focus is on improving the reference dialog and expanding the new character inserter tool.

There have been dozens of changes since the last newsletter. Here are some of the highlights:

  • Rich copying and pasting is now available. If you copy text from another website, then character formatting and some other HTML attributes are preserved. This means, for example, that if you copy a pre-formatted suggested citation from a source like this, then VisualEditor will preserve the formatting of the title in the citation. Keep in mind that copying the formatting may include formatting that you don't want (like section headings). If you want to paste plain, unformatted text onto a page, then use Control+ Shift+V or Command+ Shift+V (Mac).
  • Auto-numbered external links like [2] can now be edited just like any other link. However, they cannot be created in VisualEditor easily.
  • Several changes to the toolbar and dialogs have been made, and more are on the way. The toolbar has been simplified with a new drop-down text styles menu and an "insert" menu. Your feedback on the toolbar is wanted here. The transclusion/template dialog has been simplified. If you have enabled mathematical formula editing, then the menu item is now called the formula editor instead of LaTeX.
  • There is a new character inserter, which you can find in the new "insert" menu, with a capital Omega ("Ω"). It's a very basic set of characters. Your feedback on the character inserter is wanted here.
  • Saving the page should seem faster by several seconds now.
  • It is now possible to access VisualEditor by manually editing the URL, even if you are not logged in or have not opted in to VisualEditor normally.  To do so, append ?veaction=edit to the end of the page name.  For example, change https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random?veaction=edit to open a random page in VisualEditor.  This is intended to support bug testing across multiple browsers, without requiring editors to login repeatedly.

Looking ahead: The transclusion dialog will see further changes in the coming weeks, with a simple mode for single templates and an advanced mode for more complex transclusions. The new character formatting menu on the toolbar will get an arrow to show that it is a drop-down menu. The reference dialog will be improved, and the Reference item will become a button in the main toolbar, rather than an item in the Insert menu.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:41, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter for Janaury 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked mostly minor features and fixing bugs. A few significant bugs include working around a bug in CSSJanus that was wrongly flipping images used in some templates in right-to-left (RTL) environments (bug 50910) a major bug that meant inserting any template or other transclusion failed (bug 59002), a major but quickly resolved problem due to an unannounced change in MediaWiki core, which caused VisualEditor to crash on trying to save (bug 59867). This last bugs did not appear on any Wikipedia. Additionally, significant work has been done in the background to make VisualEditor work as an independent editing system.

As of today, VisualEditor is now available as an opt-out feature to all users at 149 active Wikipedias.

  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has a very basic set of characters. The character inserter is especially important for languages that use Latin and Cyrillic alphabets with unusual characters or frequent diacritics. Your feedback on the character inserter is requested. In addition to feedback from any interested editor, the developers would particularly like to hear from anyone who speaks any of the 50+ languages listed under Phase 5 at mw:VisualEditor/Rollouts, including Breton, Mongolian, Icelandic, Welsh, Afrikaans, Macedonian, and Azerbaijani.
  • meta:Office hours on IRC have been heavily attended recently. The next one will be held this coming Wednesday, 22 January at 23:00 UTC.
  • You can now edit some of the page settings in the "options" dialog – __NOTOC__ and __FORCETOC__ as selection (forced on, forced off, or default setting; bugs 56866 and 56867) and __NOEDITSECTION__ as a checkbox (bug 57166).
  • The automated browser tests were adjusted to speed them up and bind more correctly to list items in lists, and updated to a newer version of their ruby dependencies. You can monitor the automated browser tests' results (triggered every twelve hours) live on the server.
  • Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User guide was updated recently to show some new and upcoming features.

Looking ahead: The character formatting menu on the toolbar will get a drop-down indicator next Thursday. The reference and media items will be the first two listed in the Insert menu. The help menu will get a page listing the keyboard shortcuts. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including support for alignment (left, right, and center) and better control over image size (including default and upright sizes). The developers are also working on support for editing redirects and image galleries.

Subscriptions to this newsletter are managed at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter. Please add or remove your name to change your subscription settings. If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 20:06, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping articles like Valencian NPOV[edit]

I am glad there are users like you willing to keep maintaining potentially controversial language articles so that they continue to reflect linguistic consensus rather than certain people's political views. Keep up the good work!

Benwing (talk) 13:13, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome :-)--Fauban 13:34, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Feedback needed on using special characters[edit]

Hello. Thank you for using VisualEditor! Having editors use it is the best way for the Wikimedia Foundation to develop it into the best tool it can be.

While we always welcome general feedback (please report any issues in Bugzilla in the "VisualEditor" product or drop your feedback on the central feedback page on MediaWiki.org), the developers are especially interested right now in feedback on the special character inserter. This new tool is used for inserting special characters (including symbols like , IPA pronunciation symbols, mathematics symbols, and characters with diacritics). It is intended to help people whose computers do not have good character inserters. For example, many Mac users prefer to use the extensive "Special Characters..." tool present at the bottom of the Edit menu in all applications or to learn the keyboard shortcuts for characters like ñ and ü.

The current version of the special characters tool in VisualEditor is very simple and very basic. It will be getting a lot of work in the coming weeks and months. It does not contain very many character sets at this time. (The specific character sets can be customized at each Wikipedia, so that each project could have a local version with the characters it wants.) But the developers want your ideas at this early stage about ways that the overall concept could be improved. I would appreciate your input on this question, so please try out the character inserter and tell me what changes to the design would (or would not!) best work for you.

Screenshot of the Insert menu in VisualEditor
The "insert" pulldown on the task bar of VisualEditor will lead you to the 'Special character' tool.
Screenshot of Special Characters tool
This is the Special character inserter as it appears on many wikis. (Some may have customized it.) Your feedback on this tool is particularly important.

Issues you might consider:

  • How often do you normally use Wikipedia's character inserters?
  • Which character sets are useful to you? Should it include all 18 of the character sets provided in the wikitext editor's newer toolbar at the English Wikipedia, the 10 present in the older editor toolbar, or some other combination of character sets?
  • How many special characters would you like to see at one time?
    • Should there be a "priority" or "favorites" section for the 10 or 12 characters that most editors need most often? Is it okay if you need an extra click to go beyond the limited priority set?
    • How should the sections be split up? Should they be nested? Ordered?
    • How should the sections be navigated? Should there be a drop-down? A nested menu?
  • The wikitext editor has never included many symbols and characters, like and . Do you find that you need these missing characters? If the character inserter in VisualEditor includes hundreds or thousands of special characters, will it be overwhelming? How will you find the character you want? What should be done for users without enough space to display more than a few dozen characters?
  • Should the character inserter be statically available until dismissed? Should it hover near the mouse? Should it go away on every selection or 10 seconds after a selection with no subsequent ones?
  • Some people believe that the toolbar already has too many options—how would you simplify it?

The developers are open to any thoughts on how the special character inserter can best be developed, even if this requires significant changes. Please leave your views on the central feedback page, or, if you'd prefer, you can contact me directly on my talk page. It would be really helpful if you can tell me how frequently you need to use special characters in your typical editing and what languages or other special characters are important to you.

Thank you again for your work with VisualEditor and for any feedback you can provide. I really do appreciate it.

P.S. You might be interested in the current ideas about improving citations, too. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor Newsletter—February 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has worked on some small changes to the user interface, such as moving the reference item to the top of the Insert menu, as well as some minor features and fixing bugs, especially for rich copying and pasting of references.

The biggest change was the addition of more features to the image dialog, including the ability to set alignment (left, right, center), framing options (thumbnail, frame, frameless, and none), adding alt text, and defining the size manually. There is still some work to be done here, including a quick way to set the default size.

Looking ahead: The link tool will tell you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. The warning about wikitext will hide itself after you remove the wikitext markup in that paragraph. Support for creating and editing redirects is in the pipeline. Looking further out, image handling will be improved, including default and upright sizes. The developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments, some behavioral magic words like DISPLAYTITLE, and in-line language setting (dir="rtl").

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 04:21, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

Catalan culture challenge[edit]

I've seen on your userpage that you speak Catalan: From March 16 to April 15 we will be organising the Catalan Culture Challenge, a Wikipedia editing contest in which victory will go to those who start and improve the greatest number of articles about 50 key figures of Catalan culture. You can take part by creating or expanding articles on these people in your native language (or any other one you speak). We look forward to seeing you! Amical Wikimedia--Kippelboy (talk) 08:25, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (bug 54361http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54361).
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the Ctrl+Alt+S or  Command+ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
  • You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing  Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
  • VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and MediaWiki.org). If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
  • When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
  • The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
  • The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
  • If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "Move" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "Edit source" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "Edit source" and "View history" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.
The drop-down menu is on the right, next to the search box.

Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Monday, 19 May 2014 at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this on your own page, subscribe at Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014[edit]

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Did you know?

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The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "Cite" menu, press "Cite" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "Cite" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Language" tool in the "Insert" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "Formula" item in the "Insert" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "Cancel" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Style text" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "Save page" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

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The character formatting menu

Did you know?

The character formatting menu, or "Style text" menu lets you set bold, italic, and other text styles. "Clear formatting" removes all text styles and removes links to other pages.

Do you think that clear formatting should remove links? Are there changes you would like to see for this menu? Share your opinion at MediaWiki.org.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

The VisualEditor team is mostly working to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

  • They have moved the "Keyboard shortcuts" link out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Within dialog boxes, buttons are now more accessible (via the Tab key) from the keyboard.
  • You can now see the target of the link when you click on it, without having to open the inspector.
  • The team also expanded TemplateData: You can now add a parameter type  "date" for dates and times in the ISO 8601 format, and  "boolean" for values which are true or false. Also, templates that redirect to other templates (like {{citeweb}}{{cite web}}) now get the TemplateData of their target (bug 50964). You can test TemplateData by editing mw:Template:Sandbox/doc.
  • Category: and File: pages now display their contents correctly after saving an edit (bug 65349, bug 64239)
  • They have also improved reference editing: You should no longer be able to add empty citations with VisualEditor (bug 64715), as with references. When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to replace it with another reference instead. 
  • It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor. Remember that inline images cannot display captions, so existing captions get removed. Many other bugs related to images were also fixed.
  • You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the "Page options" menu, rounding out the full set of page options currently planned.
  • The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler.

Looking ahead[edit]

The VisualEditor team has posted a draft of their goals for the next fiscal year. You can read them and suggest changes on MediaWiki.org.

The team posts details about planned work on VisualEditor's roadmap. You will soon be able to drag-and-drop text as well as images. If you drag an image to a new place, it won't let you place it in the middle of a paragraph. All dialog boxes and windows will be simplified based on user testing and feedback. The VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for citations. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments and adding rows and columns to tables.

Supporting your wiki[edit]

Please read VisualEditor/Citation tool for information on configuring the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". This menu will not appear unless it has been configured on your wiki.

If you speak a language other than English, we need your help with translating the user guide. The guide is out of date or incomplete for many languages, and what's on your wiki may not be the most recent translation. Please contact me if you need help getting started with translation work on MediaWiki.org.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Saturday, 19 July 2014 at 21:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas and Pacific Islands) or on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 9:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East, Asia).

To change your subscription to this newsletter, please see the subscription pages on Meta or the English Wikipedia. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—July and August 2014[edit]

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The VisualEditor team is currently working mostly to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

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Dialog boxes in VisualEditor have been re-designed to use action words instead of icons. This has increased the number of items that need to be translated. The user guide is also being updated.

The biggest visible change since the last newsletter was to the dialog boxes. The design for each dialog box and window was simplified. The most commonly needed buttons are now at the top. Based on user feedback, the buttons are now labeled with simple words (like "Cancel" or "Done") instead of potentially confusing icons (like "<" or "X"). Many of the buttons to edit links, images, and other items now also show the linked page, image name, or other useful information when you click on them.

  • Hidden HTML comments (notes visible to editors, but not to readers) can now be read, edited, inserted, and removed. A small icon (a white exclamation mark on a dot) marks the location of each comments. You can click on the icon to see the comment.
  • You can now drag and drop text and templates as well as images. A new placement line makes it much easier to see where you are dropping the item. Images can no longer be dropped into the middle of paragraphs.
  • All references and footnotes (<ref> tags) are now made through the "Cite" menu, including the "Basic" (manual formatting) footnotes and the ability to re-use an existing citation, both of which were previously accessible only through the "Insert" menu. The "References list" is still added via the "Insert" menu.
  • When you add an image or other media file, you are now prompted to add an image caption immediately. You can also replace an image whilst keeping the original caption and other settings.
  • All tablet users visiting the mobile web version of Wikipedias will be able to opt-in to a version of VisualEditor from 14 August. You can test the new tool by choosing the beta version of the mobile view in the Settings menu.
  • The link tool has a new "Open" button that will open a linked page in another tab so you can make sure a link is the right one.
  • The "Cancel" button in the toolbar has been removed based on user testing. To cancel any edit, you can leave the page by clicking the Read tab, the back button in your browser, or closing the browser window without saving your changes.

Looking ahead[edit]

The team posts details about planned work on the VisualEditor roadmap. The VisualEditor team plans to add auto-fill features for citations soon. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for adding rows and columns to tables. Work to support Internet Explorer is ongoing.

Feedback opportunities[edit]

The Editing team will be making two presentations this weekend at Wikimania in London. The first is with product manager James Forrester and developer Trevor Parscal on Saturday at 16:30. The second is with developers Roan Kattouw and Trevor Parscal on Sunday at 12:30.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at the VisualEditor feedback page or by joining the office hours discussion on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 09:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East and Asia) or on Thursday, 18 September 2014 at 16:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas; evening for Europe).

If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at Meta for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:14, 8 August 2014 (UTC)