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QUESTIONS/COMMENTS[edit]

Medal "For Service in the Submarine Force"[edit]

Is there any information on the awarding of this medal with Swords? (The swords device goes between the ribbon and the medal) Boothferry (talk) 06:58, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
A- I know which one you're talking about, I've seen it for sale on 2 auction sites. There's no such animal, it is a pure fantasy fabrication in an attempt to get more money for a medal that is probably also a copy. The same swords are being used on cheap copies of the Medal for Service to the Fatherland. Fdutil (talk) 14:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)


City of Sherbrooke[edit]

I was wondering if you can explain why the Sherbrooke coat of arms appears to have a 'star of David' at its center? What is the reason for this? Cholentface (talk) 14:25, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
A- Excellent question! I had to look it up... It isn't a Star of David but what is called a "molette" or "molette d'éperon" in heraldry. It represents the spurs given to noblemen of ancient times and is quite often used in such coats or arms. Possibly to denote the nobility of Sir John Coape Sherbrooke after which the city is named.Fdutil (talk) 21:22, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

RE:INTRO Fdutil[edit]

Howdy. Indeed it does seem that our interests overlap. I live in the southern US. My mother's family is of French extraction and I studied French in High School and a couple of semesters at University, so I have a basic command of French. My formal studies were so far in the past I am a bit rusty. Nice work on the Russian awards, there are so many it is going to take you some time if you are going to plow through the missing articles. Lol. Nice to meet you. I look forward to crossing paths with you on Wikipedia. Cheers. EricSerge (talk) 21:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Housework[edit]

Ok, I'll have a look at the changes. One thing; avoid capital letters for prepositions and other "minor" words. Have a look around at existing articles - normally, "of", "for", etc are left lower case, even in titles. Also, when creating new articles, set up redirects if there are any obvious variations; the differences between US- and British-English spellings (eg, valor/valour) are obvious examples. There are manual pages for guidance.

A query for Megan about her ODM site. Google searches find Soviet ODMs and I have since found that, in her site, they can be accessed only via the Russian ODM page and not those of other former Soviet republics (not obvious, I found them by accident). A direct access via the index page to USSR or Soviet Union could help and would recognise the distinction between the USSR and its former constituents: Russia ≠ Soviet Union. <insert bossy emoticon>Folks at 137 (talk) 09:14, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I've just e-mailed her your concern. Fdutil (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Military History introduction[edit]

Guidance on 850th Anniversary of Moscow Medal[edit]

Sorry for tardy response, just back from a trip abroad. Similarly named articles are legit as redirect pages. I've already set up Medal of the 850th Anniversary of Moscow as one. I agree that the name "850th Anniversary of Moscow Medal" is anomalous; just decide which you want as the article (view the list at "What links here" for help), merge all info into it and leave the others as redirects (below the "save page" button, there's a panel with preformatted inclusions. At the top left corner is a drop down menu, select "Wiki markup" et voila! Courage, mon brave!! Folks at 137 (talk) 11:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

I feel your pain!! First "DON'T PANIC" (award yourself a star if you know where that comes from). Second, move text to the name you really want. This creates a new page with the new name and places a redirect on the old page. Third (the worst bit), follow up the links to the old page and point them at the new page (this minimises double redirects and in this case avoids confusion. After this, the "old" page becomes available for use and you could copy/paste text into it, placing redirects as needed. Messy but not a disaster. Incidental actions: cut holes in paper bag so keyboard is visible, make a nice cup of tea, engage sense of humour; also sit on a cushion, cos you could be at this for a little while.
Let me know if you want me to look over your work at any point, but I may not be online immediately. Folks at 137 (talk) 17:06, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Featuring your work on Wikipedia's front page: DYKs[edit]

Symbol question.svg Thank you for your recent articles, including Medal "For the Liberation of Warsaw". When you create an extensive and well referenced article, you may want to have it featured on Wikipedia's main page in the Did You Know section. Articles included there will be read by thousands of our viewers. To do so, add your article to the list at T:TDYK. Let me know if you need help, Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:19, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Assessment of Medal "For the Liberation of Warsaw"[edit]

I see you assessed this article as B-class. I'd suggest you avoid self-assessing your own work for B and higher classes, in particular in cases where other projects, like WP:milhist or WP:Poland, have B-class assessment schemes that you could ask for. Please see my comments on article's talk why I don't believe this article is B-class; I'd appreciate it if you could address them (in which case I'd be happy to re-review the article), or downgrade your assessment. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk to me 18:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in responding to your request for thoughts. I'm in two minds here. I agree with Piotrus on two points; 1. don't assess your own work, instead, invite others to do it and grit your teeth; 2. the expression "heroic liberation" sounds like a (Soviet) propaganda term and does not sit well for Anglo-Saxon ears, I don't (can't) dispute the accuracy of your translation, but I suggest that it is made clear that it's a direct quote (quote marks & citation?). The whole history of Warsaw at this time is sensitive and I can understand that the term "heroic liberation" would cause offence and in any case, the unqualified expression implies a judgement of the circumstances which is not neutral.
All that said, I hover between B & C ratings. Although the article is relatively brief, it covers most of the salient matters (why, when, who, how many, appearance). Piotrus' views on missing facts are valid, IMO, but might not be enough to reduce the rating - they could be addressed in reviews for higher ratings. One point: were Home Army soldiers, etc included? All this is subjective - don't get angry or discouraged; wiki thrives on disagreement, nit-picking and debate. I've collaborated with editors who have been critical of my contributions. So, I suggest you request a review on the project pages (MILHIST is good as they/we have criteria for this) in as neutral a way as possible and adjust the wording as I suggested. All IMO, of course. Folks at 137 (talk) 07:56, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Smile![edit]

A Barnstar!
A smile for you

You’ve just received a random act of kindness! 66.87.0.87 (talk) 21:27, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:RUSSIA and WP:USSR assessment[edit]

Please, do not remove WP:RUSSIA assessment tags from the decorations pages which you create or contribute to. Russia is the successor of the USSR, and Soviet decorations are very important for Russia - there are many people who had received these decorations and are still gaining money, social bonuses and public respect for them. This is a part of Russian reality and traditions. WP:USSR tag is not enough - and the Soviet project is not very active, so it is better that WP:RUSSIA watches over those pages. If you want your pages to be reassessed, simply put "???" instead of assessments or even reassess them yourself. Thank you. Face-smile.svg GreyHood Talk 17:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

  • Thank you. Here are the project's assessment criteria: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Russia/Assessment#Quality_scale. Remember that people making assessments may make mistakes and that you can fix assessments, assess your own articles or ask others to do this (though of course you cannot assess articles GA or FA on your own). If you consider the article complete or almost complete (and having a proper sourcing, style etc.), then raise it's quality assessment to B or C class and consider nominating the article to GA. As for what else is required for an article to be considered complete, I can propose to add to the decoration articles short lists of most notable recipients, where possible. GreyHood Talk 17:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Well OK if you started adding the lists, it's just that last time I checked I haven't seen such lists in some of the Russian/Soviet decoration articles. Were you told not to assess B and/or C by someone from WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals?
It would be OK to have the same quality ratings for WP:RUSSIA as there are for WPODM. But of course WP:RUSSIA should have its own importance ratings as determined in the Russian, not global context. GreyHood Talk 18:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I would most certainly rate the Order of the Red Banner article as B, but there are two issues: less then 10 sources and the lead consisting of one short phrase not providing any insight how this order differs from other Soviet orders. Well, you are a specialist in the topic, perhaps you would say that the sourcing is enough - that's OK. But the lead is most certainly a problem - check WP:LEAD please: The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. Even the Hero of the Russian Federation has a more descriptive lead, though again consisting of just one line - I think that this article is a GA only because it was made GA as long ago as 2006‎, when the standards were less stringent. GreyHood Talk 21:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
I've re-assessed Medal "For Valiant Labour in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945" as C, a more descriptive lead would give it B in my view.
Also, please remember that when assessing I and other people make mistakes. Usually I'm more concerned with placing the WP tag and choosing appropriate task forces rather than with contemplating over quality and importance parameters for long. So often when I have to choose between quality parameters and the choice is not obvious, I just place the minimal rank an article deserves, but that does not mean that the article does not deserve higher ranks. GreyHood Talk 21:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
Oh and please, do not take it as seriously: your work on Wiki is very much appreciated. I have no problem with you raising the WP:RUSSIA assessment of most of your articles to B if you follow my recomendations named above. GreyHood Talk 21:57, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Possible other Courage Awards[edit]

Hello -

I follow the Navy Cross page and saw your added category of Courage Award. I see that the Soldier's Medal ("heroism not involving actual conflict") is also in that category. It would seem appropriate then that the Gold and Silver Lifesaving medals ("The Gold Lifesaving Medal is authorized if the individual attempting the rescue did so at extreme peril and risk of life. For all other rescues, the Silver Lifesaving Medal is authorized.") should also make the cut. Certainly heroic actions. Thoughts? --best, JMOprof (talk) 13:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of List of "Umalatova" awards for deletion[edit]

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GOCE July 2012 Copy Edit Drive[edit]

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Ordre national du Mérite[edit]

Please check out the comments I made at Talk:Ordre national du Mérite#References for Notable Members following your recent edits and WP:ODM categorisation of the article. AusTerrapin (talk) 21:45, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

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Medal "For Strengthening Military Cooperation"[edit]

Here's one for you - perhaps you - with specialised knowledge - can pin it down with more efficiency and certainty than I can.

The Medal "For Strengthening Military Cooperation" was a Soviet award. I was therefore puzzled to find an example of an award made in 2008 (found at {{ru:Екатерина Александровна}}, the Russian version of Ekaterina Klimova). Following the links in Russian wiki and using an online translator (not a good method) it appears that the award was reinstated in 1995 in the Russian Federation and then subsequently declared invalid but reappearing as several departmental awards in 2009 (new ribbons, etc). There's a Russian disambig page. All fine, apart from dodgy translations, but I haven't found a non wiki source on the net - or in English wiki.

Can you tie this down? Sorry to create work. Folks at 137 (talk) 20:23, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

The Defence Ministry Medal "For Strengthening Military Cooperation" came out in 1995, the Interior Ministry's version in 2001, The FSB's in 2001, the FSO's in 2003. I have never heard of or seen a Soviet variant awarded post 1991. This is a real poser... Give me a little time to check with colleagues on Russian forums. My gutt instinct says there were no such awards, but I can't back that up with any documentation. Fdutil (talk) 21:16, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

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Military history coordinator election[edit]

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List of Orders, Decorations and Medals of the Kingdom of Belgium[edit]

Had a quick look at this but drowned! Have you solved the layout problem? If not please point me to it and tell me which of your several amends apparently caused it. Will do what I can, but I'm no expert. Glad to see you're still active. Folks at 137 (talk) 08:15, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Template:Belgium honours[edit]

In the current civilian awards part, do not confuse the "Honor Badge of Labor" (for which I just created a page), with the "Decoration for Labor": they are two different awards, in addition to the "Decoration for Mutuality".

Deletion of medal recipient categories[edit]

You may be interested in some of these discussions. Folks at 137 (talk) 14:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Your irritation[edit]

In my limited experience, disagreement, irritation and frustation are part of the job spec on wiki. Sometimes, it turns out positively, sometimes not. Sometimes I'm wrong or mis-read the other point of view. I tend to use avoidance techniques - working elsewhere (there's loads to be done), refer to general discussions to establish consensus (VERY wiki) - or agree gracefully (marriage and 2 daughters encourage this approach - lose the battle, win the war). Your buddy, Fram, seems concerned about the notability of the new article. Personally, I would've discussed my concerns, tried to establish criteria and consensus before acting. There must be a point at which a decoration ceases to be notable and it would seem to me that the project should establish the criteria. Together, groups of non-notable medals might be better in a single article; in my opinion, this is true of groups of Soviet commemorative medals, eg, 20, 30 40 years since an event. Sorry for my verbosity, but don't bugger off - set the issue up for discussion and accept the outcome (whatever your own views) then move on (not out). If you want to see some really nasty, pointless and useless quarrels, have a look at the naming of various contentious places in Europe and the old "British Isles" argument. I just walked away - too many other interesting wiki things to do. Nil illegitimi carborundum. Folks at 137 (talk) 20:56, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

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Faleristics[edit]

You did a lot of work in the article and built it up--will you come take a look at the talk page proposal I have laid out? I'd appreciate your sage advice and viewpoint. Phaleristics as the official spelling is task #1 in my humble opinion! There isn't even a citation to justify the stupid spelling error and everyplace I look it's spelt with a "ph".~©Djathinkimacowboy 05:01, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know I am working toward getting this article retitled, correctly, with some admin's help.~©Djathinkimacowboy 03:09, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

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