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Welcome! to Wikipedia![edit]

Hello Firespeaker, this is Exir Kamalabadi, and I hope that you are having fun with Wikipedia. First of all, welcome to Wikipedia! Find something that can be improved, either in content, grammar or formatting, then fix it. Don't be afraid. Be bold! If you do something wrong, there is always someone who will clean up the mess.

Here are some links that you may find helpful:

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Finally, feel free to leave me a message on my talk page when you need help!

Exir KamalabadiJoin Esperanza! 01:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)


Central Asia assessment requests[edit]

Hi ! Thanks for putting the articles on Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia/Assessment. I've started work on them today. Adorno rocks (talk) 18:39, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Yiddish Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Firespeaker. As a Yiddish speaker, you might be interested in my half-baked plan to revitalize the moribund (only 121 articles) Yiddish Wikipedia. Please see my idea at Talk:Yiddish_language#Yiddish_Wikipedia, and thanks.--Pharos 05:17, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Yiddish Wikipedia Invitation[edit]

please express your vote there regarding public statistics. --71.247.152.36 12:59, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd be happy to if I knew what exactly you were referring to. Could you provide me with a link? —Firespeaker 13:22, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Central Asia[edit]

Hi, I'm trying to start some sort of working group to improve the coverage of Central Asia and related topics in Wikipedia. Leave a message on my userpage if you're interested. Aelfthrytha 02:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

French phonology[edit]

Hi, can you double check your edit to this? Looks like you've said that "ligne" is pronounced "ling" in Quebec French, which probably isn't what you meant. Stevage 06:16, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, I can't find anything on it at Quebec phonology. I recall having a similar conversation about the opposite phenomenon recently - someone claiming that "parking" is pronounced "parkigne". They can't both be right (or at least, not all the time, for the same speakers)...Stevage 07:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Central Asia[edit]

WikiProject Central Asia has finally been created! If you're interested, please consider joining us. Aelfthrytha 21:51, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

ipa-N[edit]

you may be interested in

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_August_26#Category:Writing_systems_categories

Tobias Conradi (Talk) 02:17, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

HI![edit]

I would like to ask you sth. You wrote that your kazakh is intermediate. Where do you learn this language? I'm asking because I'm interested in Kazakh :) Timpul 13:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


İQTElif[edit]

Hi,

I saw that you have understanding of Turkish and Tatar languages.

I would appreciate your help here: Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2007_July_29#İQTElif.

Thanks in advance. --Amir E. Aharoni 14:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Notability of Jeti-Ögüz resort[edit]

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Did You Knows on WikiProject Central Asia[edit]

The Did You Know section on WP Central Asia assessment is for articles that have been featured on the Main Page in the Did You Know? box. If you have a suggestion for a newly created article to be featured on DYK, please propose it at the DYK Suggestions page. Your recent articles (Jeti-Ögüz resort, Talas Ala-Too Range, Aytysh) would all be excellent candidates for a future DYK. Otebig (talk) 20:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Didn't know the guidelines. Firespeaker (talk) 05:34, 1 June 2008 (UTC)


File:Mare milking Suusamyr.jpg[edit]

For the Commons:Category:Horse milk it is nice to have a photo of ah horse that ist milked by hand too. For the horse breeds of asia which are milked traditionally it would be nice to know the breed of the horse as well. --Kersti Nebelsiek (talk) 12:12, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't the breed, and know relatively little about horses. From what I understand, there's essentially one common breed in Central Asia, and this would be an example of that. Sorry I can't be of more help. —Firespeaker (talk) 20:50, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Qalpaq[edit]

In fact there is a word calpac or calpack in English, and the word comes from Turkish.[1] And, here is a link for the Turkic etymology of the word.[2] Recently, a user redirected it to Kalpak, which I do not know why. Shall we redirect back to calpac or calpack? --Chapultepec (talk) 04:26, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I think it was you who made the redirect, at first I thought it was another user. :) Shall we redirect it back again? --Chapultepec (talk) 05:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Of course, calpack and kalpak really are the same thing. And as far as I can get, you're suggesting to leave the article under the term Kalpak. That's also ok by me, no problem. But we shouldn't forget that the word also takes place in the English vocabulary under the terms calpac or calpack. As for the etymology, Merriam Webster states that it comes from Turkish. Starling also gives the Turkic etymology of the word. Yes, it can be about proto-World and a little bit fringe, but we should keep in mind that Sergei Starostin is a serious linguist, so far as I know. And when we look at the cognates across Turkic, we see that even in the remotest parts of the Turkic world the word is almost the same with minor phonetic differences. This should imply us something. Additionally, in the etymological dictionary of Hasan Eren, who was a renowned Turkish linguist, the etymology is also given as Turkic, and I can count Andriotis, Kakuk and Doerfer (Türkische und Mongolische Elemente im Neupersischen, 1506) within the references he gave. --Chapultepec (talk) 06:22, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
Hi, the following are my answers for your questions you asked:
* If we consider Calpac(k) an English word, what's the pronunciation?
The audio pronunciation is here. So, we can arrange the IPA pronunciation by means of this audio pronunciation.
* How do we reword it to say that the English word comes from Turkic without taking a position on which Turkic language it came from? Or, if we think it's from Turkish specifically, then what do we do with the other Turkic cognates?
In fact, we don't have to give any cognates. Take som for example, this is an English term loaned from the Kirghiz language.[3] But we don't feel the necessity to give cognates in other Turkic languages. That is to say, there is no need to write "Turkish: som, Kazakh: som, Uzbek: som" etc. If a word entered English from Kirghiz, we should indicate Kirghiz in the etymology, similarly if it entered from Turkish, we should write that it entered from Turkish, no need for other cognates. But as far as I can get from the following proposal, you already seem to have solved the problem by creating new sections.
* What does the word mean in English (if different from the Turkic words), and how (if at all) should the usages be indicated as distinct in the article?
As in Merriam-Webster, it means a high-crowned cap worn in Turkey, Iran, and neighboring countries...
Given those questions, I propose the following solution, in the form of an outline for reformatting the article:
* "Calpack [and variants...] (/ˈkælpæk/???) is an English term of Turkish origin (Turkish: kalpak, IPA: [kɑlpɑk])[source] referring to a type of high-crowned hat, usually made of felt or sheepskin, worn by men across the Near East, including ... (or whatever...). It can also refer to specific styles of hats in these areas, e.g., Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, etc."
It is appropriate, but we should not use the term across the Near East since it does not comprise Iran and Central Asia, instead we can use in Turkey, Iran, and throughout Central Asia and the Caucasus.
* [maybe new section for region-specific referents?] "In Kyrgyzstan, kalpaks (Kyrgyz: калпак, IPA: [qɑlpɑ́q]; include plural too?) are made of wool and are usually white, with decorations (oymo) in silver, gold, or black, which were traditionally used to indicate tribal affiliation. Today kalpaks are worn by most Kyrgyz men on formal or festive occasions, by many non-urban males of all ages while working outside, and by older men in the cities as a sign of ethnic pride or of sentiment for the traditional. (source needed)"
It is appropriate, if you wish you can add plural forms too, but not so necessary.
* "In Kazakhstan, ..." etc.
It is also appropriate.
* [maybe new section for other uses, or words derived from the term?] "Certain Ethnic groups are named after their kalpaks...."
Of course, we can have this section as well. --Chapultepec (talk) 08:42, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Kyrgyzstan[edit]

Hi, thanks for your uploads of politicians of Kyrgyztan. Your contributions are exactly what we need to build a more informative an fair coverage of the world. I invite you to join this project. It is still in its early days but in time we hope the project has its own assessments and runs like a proper project. Glad to have you aboard anyway. Are you living in Bishkek? If so I have a large list of photo requests!!! Dr. Blofeld White cat 19:41, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you just going to Bishkek or anywhere else? Ideally we need many pictures of the villages in the country and just more photographs of notable buildings/roads in the main cities. If you could take as many photos of possible this would be a great help. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:07, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Check out Category:Cities, towns and villages in Kyrgyzstan and the sub cats!! Everywhere practically needs pictures!! When I say we need pictures for Kyrgyzstan this is an understatement!! Please upload as many images of anywhere in the country, whatever it is. We need photographs for all over the entire country, particularly villages and highways etc, you know images of places you rarely get to see on the web. This would be greatly appreciated if you could upload them. Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:14, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

If also you had photographs from each district e.g Alamudun District etc these could also be added to the district articles. I can't stress enough how important these photographs would be to put them on the web! Dr. Blofeld White cat 10:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

IPA[edit]

Answered, with a request, on my talk page. kwami (talk) 18:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Can you confirm that the erstwhile back vowels in Kazakh are +ATR? That's not intuitive to me. kwami (talk) 22:31, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that would be unintuitive. Actually, it's the other way around in my understanding of things: the "back" vowels are -ATR, and the "front" vowels are +ATR. The contrast I was trying to establish with Mongolian is that its "back" vowels are +RTR and its "front" vowels are -RTR (which is actually what Vajda argues for in Kazakh—and it's entirely possible he's right). —Firespeaker (talk) 08:46, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
So, some authorities say Kazakh is ±ATR, but Vajda says it's ±RTR? And that there is general agreement that Mongol is ±RTR? kwami (talk) 19:41, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm actually not sure that anyone argues for Kazakh being ±ATR; Vajda defnitely argues for ±RTR. There's never any agreement on Mongolian, but at least one or two sources I've read argue for ±RTR (depending on whether Svantesson argues for that or not—I don't remember atm). Based on my intuitions as a [very non-native] speaker of Kazakh and my [rather brief] exposure to Mongolian, I'd guess that Kazakh is ±ATR and that Khalkha is ±RTR, but Vajda's x-ray tracings disagree with me for Kazakh at least (they also look like ±RTR to me). —Firespeaker (talk) 01:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Central Asia Linguistic Map[edit]

Hello there, I've at last finished to vectorize the CIA ethnolinguistic map of Central Asia. It was quite a huge map, thus it took me quite a long time. You can have it there. The fonts used by the rendering tool of Wikipedia are rather ugly, though the SVG uses DejaVu fonts (that's quite strange). 84.102.74.227 (talk) 17:42, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It looks great! I'll look at it closer in the next few weeks and will give you more feedback later. Good job! —Firespeaker (talk) 21:46, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
I noticed that you're missing all the river names, and also one enclave of Uzbekistan within Kyrgyzstan. —Firespeaker (talk) 17:59, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Central Asian hats[edit]

Rjanag asked me (and David Straub): "Do you happen to know if Doppa and Tubeteika are the same thing? They look like it to me, and I'm wondering if these articles should be merged." I figured you'd be the best person to answer that. Otebig (talk) 23:35, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I think it depends on how broad you want to be. The words ~doppi, ~taqiya, and ~qalpaq can all refer to Central Asian Turkic hats of various sorts. Kyrgyz and Kazakh both have all three words, referring to three different types of hat in each language, though the type of hat each one refers to isn't the same. According to my sources, doppi is an Iranian word, and taqiya is an Arabic word; and I'm pretty sure qalpaq is a Turkic word. When I think of doppis, I imagine the four-cornered Uzbek hat, or alternatively the small rounded non-pointy felt Kyrgyz hats, though I know in Kyrgyz the word topu usually refers to round girls' hats. When I hear taqiya, I think of the round Kazakh kind of hat, but also the Kyrgyz kind that doesn't have the tip that I associate with doppi also.
So the problem is, there are too many types of hats for that number of words, and any given group isn't naming the subdivisions of their neighbours' hats for the most part. So you take a word like Uzbek/Uyghur doppi/doppa and their Kyrgyz and Kazakh equivalents topu and topı (respectively), and each language's word refers to a different style of hat—or perhaps even various styles, depending on region. Then you take a word like taqiya, and you have another set of hats, some of them the same as some of the hats referred to by doppi. So the problem becomes where you draw the line: do you make an article on each minute style, give a good description, a picture, and its local names? Or do you make an article entitled "Hats of Central Asia" and have section for each word? Or each style?
My recommendation is to try to track down a source that talks about the *multiple* hat styles for each ethnic group. I know there's a decent picture book of Uyghur clothing out there somewhere, and I'd be surprised if there's not one for at least one of Uzbek, Kazakh, and Kyrgyz. Then you can work from there to decide whether to divide by hat word or hat style. Because there are at least 3 words per language, and give or take that many styles per ethnic group referred to by those words. Finding what the overlap is and whether any of the term-style associations for one language map well to any of the others is going to take some time. If you want help with any of this, though, let me know; I'd be happy to do some homework on at least Kyrgyz and Kazakh hat styles and vocabulary :) —Firespeaker (talk) 02:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, that's very informative! I don't know when I'll be able to get around to it, but I think I know people who would be able to point me to good sources for the Uyghur and Uzbek. rʨanaɢ talk/contribs 08:53, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Казахская Википедия[edit]

Здравствуйте! Вижу вы знаете казахский язык. Я приглашаю вас помочь Казахской Википедии. В нем всего 6510 статей и занимает по количеству статей 114 место. В прошлом году занимала 109 место. А также можете высказить свое мнение о развитие Казвики тут: http://kk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Уикипедия:Қазақ_Уикипедиясының_даму_жоспары_мен_мақсаттары--Kaiyr (talk) 19:42, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

letter about Aitmatov posted today[edit]

Since you seem to be the last textual editor of Chinghiz Aitmatov, I'd like to draw your attention to a post given by a WP novice on Wikipedia talk:Reference desk that I have since reposted in Talk:Chinghiz Aitmatov, by someone claiming to be from the Aitmatov Academy in London and a previous colleague. He gives very constructive comments, so I highly recommend you or other editors in the know take a look at what he wrote. Thanks SamuelRiv (talk) 07:19, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Irq Bitig[edit]

The article Irq-Bitig seems like an important topic. Unfortunatelly it is only a stub. Can you please add some more information about the date, the location and the author ? If possible excerpts may also be wonderful. Cheers Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:00, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

This is definitely an important topic. I'll try to track down some sources on it—I know there's good information on it out there. Thanks for expressing interest. —Firespeaker (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Actually, it looks like Irk Bitig already has a lot of information. I'll work to merge my page in or delete it. —Firespeaker (talk) 18:39, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
I hadn't realised until just now that you had already started the article under the title Irq-Bitig a month before me -- sorry about that. I Hope that you can help improve the Irk Bitig article, as it is something that we could perhaps get to GA class. BabelStone (talk) 18:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Maybe you could find a way to integrate in the little bit I had cited (about number of pages and runes per page). Your article doesn't seem to have this information, but I couldn't find a place to fit it in. I'd love to help as I have time. —Firespeaker (talk) 20:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Added that information and ref. BabelStone (talk) 21:18, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
Looks good, thanks. Also, I was wondering about the images from the Irq Bitig on that page. They seem to come from the British Library, which holds copyright on its images. Do you know if they've given wikipedia permission to use the images? There doesn't seem to be documentation of this anywhere (though I may not've looked hard enough).
The BL claims copyright, but my understanding is that Wikimedia's position is that faithful photographic reproductions of old artwork, manuscripts, books, etc. that are themselves in the public domain due to expiration of the original copyright held by their creators cannot be legally copyrighted, and so are also in the public domain. BL have not given permission for the images to be used on Wikimedia/Wikipedia, but as the nominal copyright on Irk Bitig held by its author has long since expired we do not need their permission to use the images. For further information you will have to explore Commons:Licensing. BabelStone (talk) 00:45, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
See When to use the PD-scan tag for a general discussion of scanned images of public domain material in the UK, and Images from Darwin Online for an actual case example where a UK institute failed to get Wikimedia to delete scanned images taken without permission from its website. Of course, it is always desirable to get permission whenever possible, as we want to work with libraries etc. not against them, but in this case the BL's restrictive licensing policy means that it would be impossible to get permission to use any of their images; however, the British Library curators are aware that we are using images from the International Dunhuang Project for articles as part of the current British Library project, and they have not expressed any concerns about this. BabelStone (talk) 01:07, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
This is all good to know. Thanks! —Firespeaker (talk) 01:12, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Hi. I saw your edit on Medes. Thank you for that. You seem to have considered "world power" as probably not suitable for wikipedia. May I ask you to propose an alternative for "world power" (or any phrase that looked inappropriate). Cheers. Xashaiar (talk) 14:32, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Original text was "This allowed another Iranian group of Persians the ability to become a world power." —Firespeaker (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Hm, it's not so much the phrase "world power", but "Iranian group of Persians" was a bit odd and "allow[ing] ... to become a world power" made it sound needlessly like one group was doing something for the other group. Anyway, I reworded it (to "thereby transferring power to the hands of a different Iranian group"), but it just sounds redundant (the previous phrase contains "established the next Iranian dynasty"). Maybe that part should just be taken out entirely? I suppose all it's doing is emphasising that while one Iranian group was conquered, the group that came into power afterwards was also Iranian. Since this is already stated, maybe there's a less redundant way to emphasise it. —Firespeaker (talk) 00:38, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
That part is now taken out entirely. You are right we should keep redundant sentences out. Xashaiar (talk) 13:36, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Translation Needed: Аав[edit]

Hello,

We're still not sure what language is used in this article: Аав but we think it's either Mongolian or Kazakh. So could you please translate the article title and content (it's very short) as soon as possible?

Article title: Аав

Text:

Өглөө эртлэн босохдоо таныгаа би үгүйлдэгээ мэдэрдэг Өмөг 
түшиг тань үрдээ амьдрал бэлэглэдэг байсан 
байна Хэзээ ч би ганцаардана гэдгээ мэдэхгүй эрх 
тэнэг байж Хэрвээ та байсан бол...

Thanks, BlowingTopHat 02:16, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

It's a poem in Mongolian. I don't have time to do it justice now, but a rough translation would be something like this:
Father
When I get up early in the morning I anticipate you not being there
Your support used to bestow life to its seed/descendant
The right for me to say I'm alone
would be stupid, If you were here...
Firespeaker (talk) 03:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

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I copied this content from the article I merged from, and unfortunately didn't write that information and cannot vouch for it. So it'd be better to find the original author of this content. —Firespeaker (talk) 00:56, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Workers of the world, unite![edit]

I am looking for that phrase in the Tatar language, using the arab script. As you understand that language, can you type the text here, the banner in the middle, on the right side?--Antemister (talk) 16:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Here's a first attempt at it:
بوتون دونيا ئولكەلرىنىڭ يوقسولالرى بيرلەشكر
I'm pretty sure I made a few mistakes, because it's hard to read and a few parts of it don't make a lot of sense... Maybe we can find a better quality version of that? —Firespeaker (talk) 03:38, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
It's also at the top of File:Атлас Союза Советских Социалистических Республик 1928 - Title Page (Languages of the USSR).jpg, which is Azeri and a little different. Here's a corrected version of the "Tatar" version you sent me:
بوتون دونيا ئولكەلرىڭ يوقسولالرى بيرلەسڭز
Firespeaker (talk) 04:01, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
While it's still clearly what I wrote above, I think there's a mistake there. Grammatically it should be as follows:
بوتون دونيا ئولكەلرنڭ يوقسولالرى بيرلەسڭز
Firespeaker (talk) 04:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

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