User talk:FreeRangeFrog

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Can you please provide some more info regarding what you've called biased references at Talk:Boraie Development? thanks Djflem (talk) 08:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

@Djflem: I have some real-work stuff to do and I'm going offline, but I will reply on your talk page tonight. Thanks for your patience. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 19:53, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, but could you do that on the talk page of the article?Djflem (talk) 19:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz article[edit]

@FreeRangeFrog: I'm reaching out to you about my next project (having contributed to the redevelopment of Mansoor Ijaz, Timothy M. Carney and Robin Raphel. I wish to redevelop the article in the encyclopedia about my father, Dr. Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz. As I noticed on your talk page below that you had offered to help a particular individual whose article had been nominated for deletion by sending him an old version of the article that he could redevelop, I thought I would ask if you might help me in the same way -- about two and a half years ago, one of the other editor/administrators (Moonriddengirl) did a wholesale delete of article Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz originally posted by Ironboy11 that initiated coverage of my father.

  • 05:31, 12 July 2011‎ Ironboy11 (talk | contribs)‎ . . (17,946 bytes) (+17,946)‎ . . (←Created page with '{{Infobox scientist | name =Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz | image =Replace this image male.svg |

At the time in October 2011, about ten days after the delete was made by Moonriddengirl on grounds of copyright violations by Ironboy11 (who apparently was a serial violator of copyright issues), she and I exchanged comments as posted here: (section Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz). I was a complete novice with Wiki standards and editing practices, and wholly unaware of any of what I have learned from the interactive process with you and Nyttend in re-writing article Mansoor Ijaz.

So I wanted to see with you whether it might be possible to reach out to Moonriddengirl and see if we could get either the references used or the architecture of the original article about my father that had quite a lot of data in it which was accurate and correct, if poorly expressed in the "cut and paste" manner that was emblematic of Ironboy11's articles. Even though I had nothing to do with the conception of the article at that time, I recall some of that data represented things about my dad's early life that even I did not know. It would be a shame to lose that data to a good researcher (which I believe Ironboy11 was) who just didn't understand Wiki rules. I could help a lot in the re-write, with us engaging in a similar process as we did on article Mansoor Ijaz. What I specifically seek from you is to obtain the elements of that original article that we could re-work and make it acceptable to Wiki standards.

The key issue of course with someone of my father's achievements is that almost all of it was done during a period of time before internet capabilities existed and were recorded as such. So the traditional mechanisms available to us to verify and source materials will be a challenge, but we as his children may be able to help source much of the materials back to clippings from newspapers or Physics journals that carried record of his life. Sort of like the old weightlifting articles in my case. If you can access that original article that was deleted, could you dump it into my Sandbox? I know you are busy with other things, but this is one of the projects I wanted to work on and thought maybe you could help with initial outreach while I do the hard lifting of re-write and sourcing. Thank you. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 14:55, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

@Mansoor Ijaz: For obvious reasons we can't restore the text, but I will email you the list of citations that don't appear in the current article. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 17:05, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
@FreeRangeFrog: Good morning, Sir. I copy and paste in below a message I left at the Commons speedy delete noticeboard earlier this morning in respect of a copyright issue Nyttend flagged on the article Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz that I am currently working to re-develop. As you are an administrator with OTRS compliance capability, he recommended I make sure you see this as well.
Nyttend tagged File:Dr. Mujaddid Ahmed Ijaz, 1983.png and File:MujaddidAhmedIjaz1987.jpg due to the creation of the images by a professional photographer in the local town in Virginia where we all grew up with my father and mother. We routinely had Olan Mills come in and for historical purposes prepare annual photographic images of the family. I would ask that Wikipedia Media Copyright administrators give me a few days to contact Olan Mills in Virginia and obtain a proper permission release for free use from them. We know the company well and I am confident we can obtain a release for this particular image. In fact, their website allows many images to be used in mediums such as this, so I just need to contact them and get the right data. To whom should someone at Olan Mills send directly their release permission if it is agreed? Nyttend explained at Mansoor Ijaz's talk page that it would be best to have the permission release sent directly to you. I ask therefore, as I am re-developing the subject article at the moment, that you allow me the time to obtain the release permission from Olan Mills studios. Thank you. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 04:27, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
If okay with you, I will have Olan Mills send the proper permission to you later today (they are based in Christiansburg, VA so EDT) in order that you can handle the necessary internal matters at hand. Many thanks for your attention to this -- I would like my father's re-developed page to be the very best it can be. --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 08:35, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
@Mansoor Ijaz: Sure thing, just send it to the same address (info-en) as before and I'll make sure it gets processed. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 16:22, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
@FreeRangeFrog: A lady named Carrie Beltz from Olan Mills in Roanoke, VA will be sending you both their standard release form and filling out the one at the Wikicommons site I was given. She promised to do that today and was happy to do it. Best, --Mansoor Ijaz (talk) 17:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

AfD closure[edit]

FreeRangeFrog, I think you made an error in closing this AfD. The "keep" voters ignored the fact that the man fails notability per WP:GNG. I even gave an analysis of the sources/links used in the article and how they aren't enough to make him notable. There are sources that talk about books he wrote, but not on the man himself. XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 05:38, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Those were clear and valid keep opinions - three of them actually. But you're of course free to take it to WP:DRV if you wish. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 05:43, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Is this to say certain guidelines can take precedence over others? XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
AFDs that involve scholars, citation indexes and the like can be confusing sometimes... but we're an encyclopedia after all. GNG is not always the most important consideration. The moment someone proves the subject passes one of the PROF criteria it's pretty much keep city (if you look at WP:OUTCOMES you'll see many other examples) unless there are other negative considerations, which this subject didn't have. DRV often attracts cogent discussion, I would hardly pop a gasket if you feel you can get an opposing second opinion there, but honestly I don't think that will be the case. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 05:53, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Looking at WP:OUTCOMES, I will say this is an interesting read..... XXSNUGGUMSXX (talk) 06:01, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

K152 (band)[edit]

I did some searching on korean sites and found no information about them (besides a link to the wiki article). And a main contributor seems to be linked to the group. It could be a indie band in South Korea that wasn't successful. Jaewon [Talk] 15:43, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

@Jay2kx: Probably should take it to AFD then. Or maybe try a PROD. I don't doubt what you're saying, it was just that the speedy tag was invalid. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 16:00, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
I'll tell User:Kanghuitari about that. Thanks. Jaewon [Talk] 16:02, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Mehgan James[edit]

Why did you delete the Mehgan James wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:40, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Because there was a consensus to delete. §FreeRangeFrogcroak 17:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)