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I just wanted to stop by and say I saw you hard at work adding interlanguage links to ru.wikipedia, and tell you that we appreciate your hard work. Thanks for taking the time to do it, and if I can be of any help to you with anything, please let me know. Essjay TalkContact 06:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Template edits[edit]

While I appreciate what you are attempting to do with the galaxy and galaxy cluster templates, your recent changes to those templates does not seem to work well if references are used in the templates (as is commonly done in the galaxy articles). Could you please fix the problem for all templates? If you do not fix the problem by 26 Nov, I will revert your changes to the templates (although I would prefer to see the template work with your revisions). Thank you, Dr. Submillimeter 10:34, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I have ra_info and dec_info parameters already implemented in templates for such purpose. I'll go though all articles to fix the problem. Thanks. friendlystar 10:38, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
I gave this some thought, and I am going to revert your changes to the galaxy and galaxy cluster templates for now. The previous system was working fine; including the references in the same template line as the data itself makes more sense than splitting the information in the templates. Moreover, no other quantities in the infoboxes are treated this way. However, I am willing to discuss this further at Wikipedia:WikiProject Astronomical objects. It would have been appropriate for you to discuss your template changes there first before Dr. Submillimeter 11:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

I read your comments on the WikiProject Astronomical objects page. Your changes now make more sense, although I still do not think that they should be implemented. Also, you should not have created Template:Galaxy demo. You should have created the template as a user page. You should ensure that the template is deleted when the template discussion is over. Finally, you should not have deleted the warning messages on your talk pages about uploaded material. The administrators will often scold people for taking such actions, and it may be grounds for having your account blocked. Dr. Submillimeter 14:55, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Dear Dr. Submillimeter. Thank you for your replay, I didn't know that I can create operational template under user, will keep it in mind. I'll ensure that template deleted when discussion is over. I wanted to clean up this page for discussions and removed some non-critical (IMHO), but space consuming stuff, next time I'll be more careful, thanks for the advise. friendlystar 15:09, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I am not certain that templates themselves can be created in userspace, but you can create tables that look like templates. That would have been sufficient for the discussion. Thank you for being patient with this discussion, and thank you for being willing to discuss template changes with other users. Dr. Submillimeter 15:30, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Templates nominated for deletion[edit]

Hello. I have put some templates that you created up for deletion; please read the nomination in the "Astronomical coordinate templates" section of Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2007 January 7, and leave your comments. Thanks. Mike Peel 18:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikisky links.[edit]

Please remove your wikisky links. Wikisky is not a good enough external link, and even if it was, the bolding is out of place. -- Jeandré, 2007-01-09t19:39z

Which pages you mean? friendlystar 05:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Wherever you've placed the links, see Special:Contributions/Friendlystar. -- Jeandré, 2007-01-10t18:26z
I have to agree, I think that this overexposes and, inadvertently, promotes the site (also, by this extension, the bolding is problematic, and I'm seeing a few users who followed suit, bolding nasa links, and so on, which makes those pages look odd). The point, though, is that a reader can search any astronomical body in the map, so I'm not sure we need the ready-made links added to tens upon tens of these respective entries. Thus, I removed them. Sorry, it probably took you a while to sort & add them. Thank you. Best regards, El_C 03:33, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


Hello Friendlystar,
please send your real-name, your prefered login-name and the public part of your ssh-key to Zedler-admins.png. We plan to create your account soon then. --DaB.

Star images[edit]

Great job on adding all those images. Forget everything I said about Wikisky (above). With these many images, you can do whatever you like! El_C 08:41, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. It took us almost a year to process DSS2 all sky survey that I'm using now to cut images for Wikipedia friendlystar (talk)

Image:M45 DSS2 WikiSky.jpg[edit]

Could you please link to where this image has been released under the license it has been tagged with? J Milburn (talk) 19:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

There is a link to copyright notice and source of the image. Could you please clarify your concerns. Thanks. friendlystar (talk)
The link goes to a rather odd page that does not even mention Creative Commons. Furthermore, I am concerned that these images aren't even free- they seem to be authorised for Wikipedia use only. J Milburn (talk) 21:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
All this copyright stuff rather confuses me. Original DSS2 data (photographic plates) is copyrighted. See [1]. Then NASA's Space Telescope Science Institute (STScI) digitized those photographic plates into FITS, but original copyright is preserved in digital data. At the same time the image Pleiades large.jpg, that is actually produced out of DSS2 data, set on Wikipedia as public domain without copyright. Anyway WIKISKY team specifically asked for permission to use DSS2 data for Wikipedia articles illustrations. If you think the copyright notice I'm using is incorrect for the case I described above, please let me know how it suppose to be. Thanks. friendlystar (talk)
Permission for Wikipedia use only is not enough, I am afraid. Any content we host must be available for anyone to use, commercially or non-commercially, modified or unmodified, for any purpose. This means we can only accept public domain or freely licensed media. From what you have said to me, these images, sadly, do not appear to be either, and so should be deleted. Is this assessment accurate? J Milburn (talk) 15:50, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Ok, I have to clarify the licensing. It is possible the images are fit into Public domain like the Pleiades image I mentioned above Pleiades large.jpg. I checked the source page of that image and it doesn't state any copyright on that image. friendlystar (talk) 16:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Images are copyrighted by default, so no copyright notice means that they are unusable. I recommend you don't upload any more images from this source until we have this issue resolved. J Milburn (talk) 16:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Hubble site states "Unless otherwise specifically stated, no claim to copyright is being asserted by STScI and it may be freely used as in the public domain in accordance with NASA's contract". The image above came from the Hubble site and the page does not specify additional copyright on it, though the image is based on copyrighted DSS2 data. That's what confuses me. friendlystar (talk) 19:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Data cannot be copyrighted, only the way that it is presented. That would mean, according to their own copyright page, that any images created by STScI that they do not claim specific copyright on can be considered public domain- could you please ensure that images you have uploaded link to the original location of the image, the copyright page you linked to above and are tagged as PD-NASA? The issue now appears to be not that the images are non-free, but that the sourcing and copyright information is not fully accurate on our image pages. J Milburn (talk) 09:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
The Image:NGC 1533.jpg I created out of Hubble data [2]. It links there from image page. I'd happy to release all wikisky produced images to public domain if it doesn't conflict with any other licenses. Please advise on proper license tags. Thanks. friendlystar (talk) 17:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
Another example of an image produced out of DSS2 data that is in public domain - 50px. So I'd be happy to correct license/source linking page to clear out the issue. Probably would be better to create some template for wikisky images annotations friendlystar (talk) 17:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)


Hi! I'm from, and I'm conducing your same battle :-). May be a possibility to use that images from wikisky, I'm searching about that. I sent a request to have an OTRS, they reply to send an email to If you want to learn more about my battle or if you have more informations, please don't hesitate to contact me here. Bye! :-) You write freely in english. --Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 13:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the contact. Please keep me updated if there any progress. I'll do so as well friendlystar (talk) 21:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Of course! (so you write your answer here? Ok...) I sent to the last email address a request, explaining very very well what we need/want to use, they said "Thank you for your interest in the Hubble Space Telescope." Strange, isn't it? Anyway, they are processing my request, I'll keep you update, of course. Bye! --Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 10:05, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Andromeda I copyright?[edit]

On Image talk:Andromeda I.jpg I claimed that the image is copyrighted STScI who maintain a non-commercial policy which stands in conflict with Wikipedia's OpenDocument share-share-alike policy. Here is a page providing a link to the DSS copyright here. The material used on SKY-MAP.ORG therefore shouldn't be used under Wikipedia's own policies, and we cannot produce images from that material and claim the copyright ourselves. That I believe. Said: Rursus () 20:42, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I think the images produced from SKY-MAP.ORG are non-free, but can be used according to Wikipedia:Non-free content criteria, because there are no other free similar images on Internet and the images are really important. So SKY-MAP.ORG might actually be in error regarding Wikipedia's policies. But the copyright belongs to the photography provider, which is covered by the DSS copyright, and derivative works cannot be claimed by other persons, since the copyright is non-free. Said: Rursus () 06:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, use of WikiSky's DSS images in Wikipedia is currently an open legal question. Some DSS images from other sources (i.e. NASA site) are claimed as public domain here that only adds more confusion. I'm trying not to cut more DSS images from WikiSky until the issue resolved. But WikiSky hosts many NASA's own images (i.e. Hubble, Spitzer telescopes) that no doubts are in public domain friendlystar (talk) 14:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I think one of the confusions might be about the role of SKY-MAP.ORG and its web-software, but I believe the main copyright issue is clear: we want to produce a lot of derived images where the image originators claim a copyright (or in NASA's case expressively don't claim it), so the trouble will mostly be identifying the image sources. If SKY-MAP.ORG would only use NASA images, then everything would be perfect: the derived images are free for anyone, including claiming copyright. As long as ESA or other actors are involved, there might be a copyright issue. (BTW, the Andromeda I might serve well from a retouch by increasing the contrast at the faintest level – this is why I stumbled over the question in the first hand, I can do it myself – but as you say: we'll await a solution to this copyright issue). Said: Rursus () 09:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
SKY-MAP.ORG has source url for almost every image. The links available on image's pages, i.e. [3], Though it would be nice to have those links along with copyright information right on image snapshot page. DSS color images processed by SKY-MAP out of blue and red survey data. Here's some info: [4] friendlystar (talk) 15:42, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi! About WikiSky's permission, I think that they will inform me/us as soon as possible. Waiting for that, I can tell you a good news: this italian site has released an OTRS permission (here) to use all its images without any distinction. You must prepare before a template like this (translate, it's easy), after that you can upload images from that site. They have a lot of very nice images of clusters/nebulae/galaxies and more! I hope you'll enjoy this news. Bye! :-) --Roberto Segnali all'Indiano 12:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Possibly unfree Image:16 Cygni AB DSS2.jpg[edit]

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File:M45 DSS2 WikiSky.jpg listed for deletion[edit]

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C'mon, not another DSS-deletion spree... Should we start with File:Pleiades large.jpg again? That image even shows wrong license. friendlystar (talk) 21:30, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Possibly unfree File:IC 1296.jpg[edit]

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File permission problem with File:WikiSky web site.jpg[edit]


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And yes, it's another Wikisky deletion spree - there are about 115 images from there that do not have the correct OTRS permission or licensing tags here. Rather than load you page with deletion notices, you can see the list at Category:Wikipedia files with unknown copyright status as of 21 December 2009. I've noted in a quick review (not all of them yet) that no OTRS was requested or received for these. Skier Dude (talk) 03:10, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

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