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There is no other agenda afoot here Gamweb. You incorrectly processed three articles for deletion apparently trying to make a point as one of your articles was nominated for deletion. AFD is not grounds for tantrums or fights with other editors. If you have an issue with another editor, there are numerous avenues that you can take, such as getting a third opinion, request for comment, or The administrators noticeboard. Don't accuse an uninvolved individual as having an agenda. The articles would have been snowballed closed anyway. I'm also posting this on your talk page. Dusti*poke* 05:10, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

If you had bothered to review the history of the three pages that are falsely "attributed" to me, you would have noticed that I do not have even one edit on any of them. The argument used is inaccurate and irrelevant. Gamweb (talk) 08:37, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
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I actually did, and if you notice the community was clearly against the proposed deletion of the articles. Don't accuse me of not weighing the community's concerns and looking over the situation. You have a conflict of interest in this situation, and therefore need to step back. I support you taking a wikibreak as you have indicated you are doing since you're being "harassed" which I see no instance of. Dusti*poke* 21:27, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
I did not use the word harassed, but you did. I used the phrase personal attacks which you are persisting in. What is considered to be a personal attack? Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. You have several times now posted that one of your articles was nominated for deletion. I did not create, do not have any edits in, nor have any association with the three articles that are offered as "evidence" of your accusation. Futhurmore, I do not own any articles on WP (as no other contributor does, either). I find your conduct in this incident to be troubling, as you openly state on your user page that you are seeking promotion to Wikipedia Administrator. I do not support your promotion to be a Wikipedia Administrator. Gamweb (talk) 17:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Gamweb, I need to comment, if only to get you to understand the situation.Three Michigan articles were nominated for deletion after you were asked to comment on the nominations concerning three Florida articles. That is the connection, not any edit history. Those FL nominations were for redirection/merger not deletion. The nomination rationale for the three MI articles was very faulty, as notability is very clearly established in all three articles. Michigan has tens of thousands of county roads, if not hundreds of thousands. Only 7 have articles. Of those 7, 4 are part of a state-wide system with numbers assigned by the state, 1 (CR 492) contains the first highway centerline in the country, 1 (Brockway Mountain Drive) was built by the Civilian Conservation Corps and is famous for its scenic value and 1 (Forest Highway 16) is mistaken as part of the CDH system on maps. To merge FFH-16 or any of the CDHs back into the list (they were merged once) would unbalance the list, hence the split. Non-notable articles, i.e. articles that don't meet the General Notable Guideline, normally should not have individual articles. A system of CRs in a county is notable, and coverage of the components in a list is appropriate. That's the only "agenda", if you will. Imzadi 1979  02:48, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail[edit]

I've got a version of it in my sandbox, but I'm not doen with it yet. There are some aspects of it that I have to write, rewrite., and try to find out if I can get away with describing it in a counter-clockwise direction. ----DanTD (talk) 19:59, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: List of county roads in XXXXXXX County, Florida[edit]

Looks pretty good. Although the following line;

"The numbers and routes of all Florida highways are assigned by the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT), while county road numbers are assigned by the counties, with guidance from FDOT. North-south routes are generally assigned odd numbers, while east-west routes are generally assigned even numbers."

Doesn't necessarily apply to all roads in all counties. Sumter County Road 673, for example is an odd number that runs east-west. I suppose we could leave that line there and point out that there are roads that don't always follow the E/W=even & N/S=odd rules. ----DanTD (talk) 13:27, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

South Peninsula Historic District[edit]

Might you know the boundaries for this, specifically? What the NRHP lists is kinda vague. Like, how far south it goes. I hope to get over there in the near future, and it'd help to know, ya see. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 18:52, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I've noticed myself that the NRHP description is rather vague. I can only speculate - "Seabreeze" H.D. is the one furthest to the north, "Surfside" H.D. is directly south of Seabreeze H.D. So - perhaps "South Peninsula" H.D. is directly south of "Surfside" H.D.? I wont know for sure unless I can track down someone from our local Hysterical Commission and ask them directly. :p Gamweb (talk) 02:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Another possibility about South Peninsula H.D. comes to mind - an episode from local history I remember reading: Around 1924, Daytona Beach (the old, little Daytona Beach, before consolidation) and Port Orange wanted to annex the whole South Beach Peninsula area. The local residents did not want to join either city, instead they wanted to join mainland Daytona. The State Legislature granted the residents their wish, and let the whole of the South Peninsula join Daytona. This is what prompted the consolidation talks in 1925 - Seabreeze, Daytona, and Daytona Beach became one on Jan. 1st, 1926. The new city gobbled up Blake (South Daytona) also (residents of Blake fought the annexation in court and won). The residents of South Peninsula changed their minds and did not want to be part of the consolidated Daytona Beach and the annexation was greatly reduced in size (Daytona Beach Shores and Ponce Inlet were organized almost 40 years later). So perhaps the "South Peninsula H.D." is supposed to represent the entire south peninsula area, that became part of mainland Daytona in 1924? (This is just speculation, of course) Gamweb (talk) 02:29, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Well, Halifax Road is one of the boundaries of the Seabreeze and South Peninsula HDs, so I can start from there. I seem to remember that the HDs are fairly well marked with street signs and banners, so I should be able to muddle thru. Thanks for the history lesson. :) --Ebyabe (talk) 16:18, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


There is an infobox for highway system articles in the US called {{infobox state highway system}}. I have added it to all of the FL list articles, but you'll need to deploy it to the remaining county road lists. It has the same links on the bottom of the box as will now appear in all Floridian articles using {{infobox road}}. The subtemplate was updated with links to the lists for Interstates, US Highways, State Roads, Pre-1945 State Roads, Toll Roads and the main article on county roads in Florida. We can program the subtemplate at some point to recognize the county name and add a link to the county-specific list. What you've been pasting into the top of lists isn't good because it's a hard-coded infobox. By using the template, your articles will be updated as the template is updated. (It was recently given the same visual facelift as the other roads infoboxes. In the future, the green color bars may change shades, and by using the template, your articles will change to match.) Imzadi 1979  21:07, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

County-specific list logic has been added to the subtemplate. Now if a stand-alone CR has an infobox, the list of links at the bottom of that infobox will recognize the county name and link to the county list as well. Imzadi 1979  21:13, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Re:List of all County Maps by Florida DOT[edit]

I've seen those before. You're right that they're not always accurate. I had to write to FDOT and tell them about many of the errors. Some have been fixed, but others haven't. ----DanTD (talk) 13:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Re: List of county roads in Volusia County, Florida[edit]

Ah, that's reminiscent of the list of County Roads in Rockland County, New York. That would be an interesting way to reformat the Florida County Road lists, although it might make many of them too big, and would require some splitting. Even if you do it that way, I still would like to make the Ormond Scenic Loop and Trail article seperatley, and if you find more Florida CR lists to make, you should do them. ----DanTD (talk) 18:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


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Daytona Cubs notable players inclusion criteria[edit]

It would be good to state what exactly makes these players "notable". Obviously, they are notable to Wikipedia, but why are they notable members of the team? Are they simple those who have played any games in the majors? Have they won some kind of MLB award (MVP, Cy Young, Rookie of the Year, Silver Slugger, Gold Gloves, etc.)? Were they selected to play in a major league all-star game? Do they hold Daytona baseball records? Whatever the case, it would be best to say why their name is on the list and make sure everyone who meets this criteria is included. NatureBoyMD (talk) 00:48, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I understand. I copied them from this category but have not done any further research on them. I figured, since they have their own pages on Wikipedia, they must be considered notable already. Gamweb (talk) 00:54, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
It may be better to just mention that they have all played in the majors at the beginning of the section instead of adding "major league [position]" to each player's name. It looks crowed in my opinion. You could also add an abbreviation of their position after the name (ex. "*Matt Murton, OF"). NatureBoyMD (talk) 01:51, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
I did half of them - yes I agree it looks crowded now. I will try your suggestions. Gamweb (talk) 01:58, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Daytona Cubs[edit]

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  • Hello, Gamweb, are you okay with the Alt hook that GaryColemanFan wrote? It looks like you implicitly objected, so I didn't want to move the Daytona Cubs DYK into the Prep Area yet unless you were okay with the hook. OCNative (talk) 06:39, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Daytona Cubs[edit]

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Buddy Bailey[edit]

Hello, Gamweb. I will try; let me see if minor league managers have a special infobox, since Bailey has no Major League playing or managing record. ThanksMcGill1974 (talk) 13:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)


... for your note of some time ago. None caught my eye at the moment, but I'll keep it in mind. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:54, 1 May 2011 (UTC)


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User:The Bushranger[edit]

I noted that you left a message for User:The Bushranger on his talk page. I just thought I'd point out that he has been MIA since 27 March 2011, so you may not get a quick reply from him. - Ahunt (talk) 21:21, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ukrainian American Veterans[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Category:Fort Gadsden[edit]

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July 2012[edit]

Please remember to assume good faith when dealing with other editors, which you did not do on User talk:DanTD. Thank you. Rschen7754 08:03, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

There was no obvious reason in my post that would bring sense into your reply, so I can only conclude about your motive. Gamweb (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Gamweb, keep the faith. Ignore the comment above. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 15:20, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Volusia Mall[edit]

Most of those sources look decent. Add them as you wish. The best things would be sources verifying the anchor changes. Ten Pound Hammer(What did I screw up now?) 18:50, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

steinert high school[edit]

Hi. Apparently, you are not entirely clear on "fair use". The use of a logo copyrighted by Michigan State University is only fair use to illustrate an article about Michigan State University, or an article about a program of Michigan State University. It is not fair use to illustrate an article about a high school, even if the high school is "getting away" with using the logo themselves. I am not a lawyer, but it certainly appears the high school is itself making a copyright violation. Some schools (Notre Dame, for one) will aggressively pursue that type of violation. Others not so much. But it doesn't change the fact that MSU's logo is copyrighted by them, and fair use only allows for using copyrighted logos to illustrate articles about the copyright holder. Happy editing! Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:09, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Steinert High School's Logo is illustrated on the school web site here: Hamilton East. You can easily see its identical. I suppose the legal issue is between Michgan State University and Steinert High School, although I can't imagine Michigan suing a public high school over it. I have separated the logos and I have a few other samples of items in my posession that I may be able to use. (I'm a graduate of Steinert, Class of 1980). Gamweb (talk) 08:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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The Logo can be found several times on the Steinert High School web site. I have found it at four separate locations so far. I have a Fair Use Template filled out to companion the Steinert Logo. Gamweb (talk) 08:43, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
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Already did. Thanks for your hard work to improve Wikipedia! Gtwfan52 (talk) 09:48, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

October 2012[edit]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Steinert High School. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

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At least two different editors have objected to this content. Please stop. See message on article talk page. BTW, reverting that was not vandalism, he gave a good reason in his edit summary. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:16, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Since they are different images, I do not count three reverts. The vandalism/removals was committed by an anonymous I.P. Are you deliberately logging out to perform these acts of vandalism, in order to protect your named account? Gamweb (talk) 20:20, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
You are more than welcome to report me. In fact, please do. I will wait for another editor to revert your edit warring. You have been here way too long to be acting this way. Please stop. In the future, if you wish to discuss this, please take it to the article's talk page. Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
I certainly have been participating in a discussion on the article's talk page and on your user page. Are you pretending to not be aware of this? Is this passive aggressive behavior on your part? Gamweb (talk) 21:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Quit slinging accusations. You are edit warring. See #1 above. I only want the discussion to be in one place for everybody's convenience. I find it tiresome to be going here there and everywhere to communicate with you and was only suggesting a simpler alternative. I have seen and read everything you wrote. Waiting for my SPI notification.... Gtwfan52 (talk) 21:15, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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Invitation to WikiProject Hotels[edit]

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Re: Florida State Road 444[edit]

I hope somebody has a source for this one. -------User:DanTD (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

No, I didn't find anything there either. I even tried Historic Aerials Online in hopes of coming across an old map with the proposed road but no such luck. Most of the old maps I have are in storage as well, and I'm not sure they cover this road either. -------User:DanTD (talk) 03:13, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Tampa Yankees[edit]

As you can tell, I rarely check things here. Thanks for the heads-up! Are they filed under "Tampa Yankees" in the Commons, or how would I find them? EaglesPhilliesFanInTampa 15:40, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox historic area2[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Aluma Shield[edit]

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Steinert & MSU[edit]

Hi. I an on my phone editing right now and due to the restrictions my small phone put on me, I can neither read the newspaper article nor reply on the old thread at the article. However, it is still doubtful that the spartan logo could be used on the steinert article, as its copyright status still has not changed. It is still copyrighted to MSU and it is not a fair use to use it to idenntify Steinert. Steinert has been liscensed to use it. That has no bearing on a third party such as Wikipedia. John from Idegon (talk) 22:18, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

And having read the article now, I see nothing in it that would dissuade me from that position. Wikipedia always is on the conservative side of any copyright question; that is to say that if there is any question the answer is no. A license to use it is just that and it has no bearing on a third party like Wikipedia. MSU is still the copyright holder and will be in perpetuity, as long as they keep up their paperwork. With the dollar value of the trademark, that is a forgone conclusion. John from Idegon (talk) 22:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
OK thanks for your input. Gamweb (talk) 04:59, 13 December 2014 (UTC)