User talk:Gderrin

Corunastylis

Hi, I see that you worked on Corunastylis. This genus was not accepted in the last major revision of orchid taxonomy by Chase et al. (2015) doi:10.1111/boj.12234 and does not appear to be accepted now by any of the major taxonomic databases. The APC entry here says "Corunastylis is included in the circumscription of Genoplesium in SA and NSW", but it appears not in the rest of Australia. So the genus has an odd status, it seems. I'm not quite sure what to do about the article. Peter coxhead (talk) 06:30, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello Peter,

I think the problem is at least partly that the APC is not regularly updated - only when the heads of the Australian herbaria meet every couple of years. There is a similar problem with several other genera, including Leucopogon/Styphelia and Micromyrtus/Corynanthera. There are so many other Australian species that do not have articles, and so many new species descriptions every month, I'm inclined to leave things as they are for the time being. Perfection here is probably impossible. I've also redirected many of the Corunastylis articles to Genoplesium already and there is a note about Genoplesium in the taxonomy section of the Corunastylis article. I'd appreciate your opinion on this. (I'll bring the species list in Genoplesium up to date.) Gderrin (talk) 07:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

What would be very odd would be to have some Corunastylis species at this genus and some at Genoplesium purely depending on what Australian state they occur in. I'm inclined to redirect Corunastylis to Genoplesium, moving the note about the possible recognition of Corunastylis to Genoplesium and then list all the species at that genus. But I would accept the reverse, i.e. keeping Corunastylis with all the species in APC regardless of whether some states put them in Genoplesium. Peter coxhead (talk) 17:32, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. I'd accept redirecting Corunastylis to Genoplesium, but only after redirecting each Corunastylis species to the respective Genoplesium article, because sources outside Wikipedia refer to species of Corunastylis. Corunastylis is no longer accepted by the NSW Herbarium, SA flora and the NZPCN are probably dated. I will get to it, but the changes will take a few days. Gderrin (talk) 23:28, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Bruh

Why remove Trichoglottis quadriga. http://novataxa.blogspot.com/2023/08/trichoglottiq.html?m=1 New species, bruh, that's why Plants of the World Online has not added it yet.KungfuMantis (talk) 12:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @KungfuMantis: Thanks for your interest in orchids. The main reason I made that change is that Wikipedia requires references. (WP:REFB) The reference you cited (above) is not a reliable source, (WP:RS) but a self-published blog ("pskhun"). I have updated the Trichoglottis species list since you added, and I removed Trichoglottis quadriga. You may notice that new species have been added by Plants of the World Online, and others removed. The name Trichoglottis quadriga has been published, but the fact that a name has been published does not mean that it is an accepted species. For example, the Trichoglottis names T. appendiculifera, T bataanensis, T. bicruris, T. brachiata, T. breviracema and many others have been published, but not accepted.

I hope you understand, but I'm happy to discuss further here, if you're interested. Gderrin (talk) 13:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

For sure, the one you provided is probably a synonym, which is true because they are not accepted. If you want me to have reliable sources, then sure, here:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/373449265_Trichoglottis_quadriga_Orchidaceae_Epidendroideae_Vandeae_Aeridinae_a_new_species_from_Central_Highlands_of_Sri_Lanka

https://treatment.plazi.org/id/185CEB06-FFC8-FF98-FF25-FAFF10FF956C KungfuMantis (talk) 13:56, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

References

The 5 I listed are published by reliable sources, but they are not accepted by Plants of the World Online. It might be a good idea for you to ask elsewhere, such as here. Gderrin (talk) 21:54, 9 September 2023 (UTC) It might also be a good idea to be patient. T. quadriga is not the only new species of Trichoglottis to be described. Trichoglottis najibii from Indonesia is also newly described, and Plants of the World Online is regularly updated. New species may be added to the list very soon. Gderrin (talk) 02:31, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

References

Pultenaea blakelyi

I changed the height to 2.5m with a reference. Much respect for all your work, btw. BAPhilp (talk) 23:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks @SamX:,

I should have realised that. (You got me just in time, because I was going to do similar changes the same way!) Gderrin (talk) 05:24, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

No problem :) Have you moved any other pages this way? — SamX [talk · contribs] 05:26, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

@SamX: I don't think so. I recently moved some Astroloma pages the correct way. I really can't explain my stupidity this time. Gderrin (talk) 05:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

No worries, we all have brain farts sometimes. Hope you have a pleasant evening :) — SamX [talk · contribs] 05:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

no brains or flatulence here

Hi, g'day from the steamy west (currently 35.8 according to BOM) - I have been processing some of the orchids of oz in my data/short descrip thing that I correlate the two (reason of no brain or gaseous production needed) and what has appeared in the data is: species of orchid endemic to Australia ((or western australia where it was clearly wa only))(I was beginning to see purple at 'species of plant' - along with billions of others hardly helpful) - are you ok with that? should it be better expressed, or is that ok for data description and short descrip - I am interested in your opinion on this.. JarrahTree 05:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello JarrahTree,

I am having trouble understanding what you mean. (Probably because of my being brain-dead from editing List of Caladenia species over the last few days.) If you mean do I object to changing "Species of orchid" to "Species of orchid endemic to Australia", or "Species of orchid endemic to Western Australia" - not at all. I'll leave it up to others (including you) to decide what goes at the top of the article. There may be a problem with "species of orchid endemic to the Australian Capital Territory" (- there's only one). Gderrin (talk) 07:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply

When in doubt or multiple states (or a territory) the default is planned as Australia. Thanks for replying in the affirmative. It is appreciated - at least it is checked. Thank you.

Also when I am sufficiently alert - I am also changing 'native' to 'endemic' in the texts.

Very impressed by your updating, well done! JarrahTree 07:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

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Merry Xmas and Happy New Year Geoff. Hope all is well. Doing a bit of work on Eucalyptus diversicolor and have two references contradicting each each as to the etymology. Does Sharr have anything to say about the origin of diversicolor? Cheers. Hughesdarren (talk) 12:33, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey Darren - thanks, and the same to you and yours. All good. Seen your great work on E. gomphocephala and E. diversifolia. Not at home at the moment, so no books, but will check out George/Sharr in a day or two. All the best to you. Gderrin (talk) 21:38, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Cheers Geoff. Hughesdarren (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

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Flindersia brayleyana

Hi Gderrin. Why did you revert all of my edits on this page, including additional references? Do you not think it was an improvement?  Junglenut |Talk  21:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the page you quoted in your edit summary, it seems you have misunderstood the meaning of the term "citation style". It refers to the way a citation is formatted and the information it contains, and it has nothing to do with the placement of a reference within the source code of a wiki page. If you look at the paragraphs just above WP:CITEVAR, you'll see these styles, such as ASA, Bluebook, Vancouver and others, mentioned and linked. I did not alter the citation style.

Please acknowledge your understanding of this by reverting your last edit. I had other edits planned for this page but I won't touch it until this is sorted. Cheers, Steve  Junglenut |Talk  22:41, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello @Junglenut: and thank you for your work.

Citation style is defined at WP:CITESTYLE - "While citations should aim to provide the information listed above, Wikipedia does not have a single house style, though citations within any given article should follow a consistent style." Other styles are acceptable, such as the styles you've quoted, but WP:CITEVAR indicates "Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style ..." The style used in Flindersia brayleyana has been consistent since references were first added to it on 12 July 2016.

Further down the WP:CITEVAR section, under To be avoided, is "changing where the references are defined, e.g., moving reference definitions in the reflist to the prose, or moving reference definitions from the prose into the reflist."

I do appreciate your work, and look forward to your improvements to the Flindersia brayleyana article, and others. Gderrin (talk) 23:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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